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Re: SAC/Exam Marks
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2011, 09:39:00 pm »
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yeah...

my brother did chinese SL last year, and I don't think his grades were as good as yours, but somehow he got above 40...
How did that happen
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Re: SAC/Exam Marks
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2012, 03:16:35 pm »
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Hm... My grades last year were A, A+, A+ ended up with a 40. Lost about three or so marks in SACs if I remember correctly.
How much does a 40 scale up to in Chinese SL?
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Re: SAC/Exam Marks
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2012, 05:41:11 pm »
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Hm... My grades last year were A, A+, A+ ended up with a 40. Lost about three or so marks in SACs if I remember correctly.
How much does a 40 scale up to in Chinese SL?
A raw 40 scaled to a 49 in Chinese SL this year.

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Re: SAC/Exam Marks
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2012, 12:46:24 pm »
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I'd say just try your best on all the assessments, especially the oral and written exams.

Chinese is a slightly dodgy subject though, there's a lot of luck involved.  :-\
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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2012, 06:51:23 pm »
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Chinese is a slightly dodgy subject though, there's a lot of luck involved.  :-\

If you want a good study score for Chinese you will need soooo much of it.

Your SAC mark is totally dependent on the strength of your cohort, I got A+ on all my U3 SACs but somehow I got an A for GA1. And that dragged me down from a possible 40+ to a 38. :/

So make sure you get placed in a good cohort!

Your oral mark is also dependent on the mercy of the examiners, some of my friends got grumpy ones, and some got asked about global warming and euthanasia, which was really...screwed up. But you can complain if you think the examiner's questions weren't appropriate.
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Re: SAC/Exam Marks
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2012, 07:47:35 pm »
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Chinese is a slightly dodgy subject though, there's a lot of luck involved.  :-\

If you want a good study score for Chinese you will need soooo much of it.

Your SAC mark is totally dependent on the strength of your cohort, I got A+ on all my U3 SACs but somehow I got an A for GA1. And that dragged me down from a possible 40+ to a 38. :/

So make sure you get placed in a good cohort!

Your oral mark is also dependent on the mercy of the examiners, some of my friends got grumpy ones, and some got asked about global warming and euthanasia, which was really...screwed up. But you can complain if you think the examiner's questions weren't appropriate.

agreed. vce chinese is incredibly dodgy. as Shenz0r pointed out, the harshness of the oral examiners varies significantly. to a certain degree, their disposition to dispense good marks is also dependent on the time of your oral exam. for good or bad, i got allocated the shift right before lunch, so the examiners were slightly pissed off/didn't try to be as nice as they should've been throughout my exam. also, one of them had a dodgy accent, which is ironic given they're supposed to judge as on our pronunciation, so it was, at times, difficult to understand her.

given the level of competition, a lot of the times sacs are what differentiates students. however, sac moderation is largely dependent on the strength of a cohort at a particular school. this is why students, for the most part, are disadvantaged if they apply to do vce chinese at their day school (some exceptions exists of course; scotch is renowned to have a really, really strong chinese cohort). needless to say, this is very unfair. furthermore, i've also heard stories of teachers 'tweaking' sac rankings so that they are consistent with their opinion of a student. this is again dodgy in the sense that potential high-achievers who aren't in their teacher's good books can potentially be pulled back, regardless of their performance in sacs. what is more, i've also heard cases wherein schools 'reuse' topics for the 'essay sacs', giving students the opportunity to cheat undetected.

also, in general, the way in which vce chinese has been designed is dodgy. the course is steeped with vague yet regimented criteria. regimented because a failure to conform could mean the difference between a 20/20 essay and a 13-14/20 essay (yes it's that bad!). vague because not even teachers know what the 'right' thing to teach students is. for example, scotch teachers advocate the employment of a style known as 浅谈, which allows you to convey ideas in a concise and efficient manner (this helps a lot given the limit is a mere 250 words), albeit being a little unconventional. however, the xjs teachers forbid us from writing 浅谈, for fear that it might result in a deduction of marks. in fact, teachers from different schools give significantly disparate advice for all sections of the exam. some xjs teachers say that, at times, a word would suffice as a response (in the listening/reading and responding sections), whilst many other teachers would say that your answer should always be written in full sentences. //

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Re: SAC/Exam Marks
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2012, 04:55:30 pm »
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Your oral mark is also dependent on the mercy of the examiners, some of my friends got grumpy ones, and some got asked about global warming and euthanasia, which was really...screwed up. But you can complain if you think the examiner's questions weren't appropriate.

LOL this happened to one of the girls in my school...i think we're thinking of the same person.
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Re: SAC/Exam Marks
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2012, 12:55:01 am »
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+1 to the rigged nature of vce chinese. your sac marks are a complete reflection of how much you can suck up to your teacher, not your actual standard or level of proficiency. If your teacher 'ranks' you in the top tier of your class or if she/he really likes you, or if they tutor you, that C+ you got for the first few sacs will magically turn into A+'s. however, if you're not in the good books for your teacher, you can kiss that 40raw goodbye.

An example of this was a friend of mine who did chinese in '08, his SoM showed that he fullmarked the oral and lost only a few marks for written, all in all a high A+ for GA3. However, because of his shitty sacs (and the fact that his teacher didn't really like him because he always gave a bit of attitude in class), his sacs went down dramatically. I think GA1 was a B+ and GA2 was a A.. leaving him with study score of 38, which could've easily been a 45 if his sac marks were high (and hence ranked higher, his cohort was xjs btw)

I absolutely despised chinese because of the constant strings that were being pulled behind the scenes: the tutors that 'put in a good word' for students in xjs (high sac scores etc), sac essay topics told before the sac, listening sac tape given to students.. the list of corruption goes on.

just do your best, get in the good books with your teachers and you'll be fine. anything that's in that 30-40 range raw is excellent after scaling

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Re: SAC/Exam Marks
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2012, 02:12:41 pm »
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agreed,

apparently people who get 35 in chinese SL and people who get 43/42 in chinese SL got around the same score, it's just that the examiners are either strict or nice...

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That really sucks! 35 and 43/42 has such a big difference in terms of the STUDY score... if that makes sense. Anyway, I was wondering, does the GA2 grade refer to the oral exam?

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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2012, 10:02:00 pm »
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yes, it does. I suppose you have to be lucky.

um... I'll get back to you on this one. Don't remember much of Chinese anymore. :P
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Re: SAC/Exam Marks
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2012, 12:21:42 am »
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agreed,

apparently people who get 35 in chinese SL and people who get 43/42 in chinese SL got around the same score, it's just that the examiners are either strict or nice...

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That really sucks! 35 and 43/42 has such a big difference in terms of the STUDY score... if that makes sense. Anyway, I was wondering, does the GA2 grade refer to the oral exam?

GA2 refers to second semester SACs. GA3 is broken up into the oral and end of year written examination.
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