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Bachelor of Science Advanced - research
« on: December 16, 2017, 01:59:29 pm »
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So through some miracle i managed to get an atar that'll let me do the research degree at monash, but because i never seriously expected to get it, I haven't done a great deal of research about it, so I've still got loads of questions. If someone in this degree, or someone who knows a lot about this degree can answer my questions I'd be grateful.

1. How many contact hours per week, and how many hours of study per week, would i expect to do?
2. Is anyone doing mathematical statistics, biochemistry, physics, or astrophysics? If so, I'd love to get in touch and hear about it.
3. Do we do classes with people in the regular bachelor of science degree or do we only do classes with people in the particular research degree?
4. What sort of opportunities are available after the degree? Do people normally hook up with employers during their honours year through the uni or is it up to the student to find employment?

I'm probably (hopefully) not the only person who's wondering these sort of things so i thought instead of messaging someone I'd start a new thread.

Cheers in advance
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Re: Bachelor of Science Advanced - research
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2017, 02:12:25 pm »
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Hi,

Yes I'm also planning on doing this degree next year! I would greatly appreciate it if someone who does the degree could answer these questions and expatiate a bit about it as I really don't know too much :)

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Re: Bachelor of Science Advanced - research
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2017, 03:39:40 pm »
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 Keltingmeithy did this degree. I did the straight Bachelor of Science with a major in genetics.

1. Depends on your major. Here I’m assuming you do 4 of each area. A math student can expect approximately 16-20 hours (give or take 2). A biology major should be about 24 hrs. A physics major should take about 20-26hrs. Labs take up more time and hence more contact hours.
2. I did genetics as my major with the straight BSc, which is the sister major of biochemistry.  Does that help? There’s another user that does the physics course and the BSc (Adv, Research). I think that would be Floatzel98.
3. Basically all your classes are the same as the BSc. The two main differences are that you’re forced to do SCI2015 in your second year and you must retain your 70 WAM average to get into Honours and do it (this is the same worth BSc, except they don’t have to do honours, which is your fourth year). 
4. Both? It depends on how you did and if they still like you; basically you must impress them. If you intend on other employment, you’ll definitely have to seek that yourself.

Feel free to ask more questions. :)
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Re: Bachelor of Science Advanced - research
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2017, 04:03:16 pm »
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Thanks for the reply! I'm assuming you're talking about contact hours here:

1. Depends on your major. Here I’m assuming you do 4 of each area. A math student can expect approximately 16-20 hours (give or take 2). A biology major should be about 24 hrs. A physics major should take about 20-26hrs. Labs take up more time and hence more contact hours.


How much study do you think is required per week (assuming i want to do well)? Do many people have casual/part-time jobs while doing these degrees?

Thanks
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Re: Bachelor of Science Advanced - research
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2017, 04:42:13 pm »
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Hey! Angel answered mostly everything.

Contact hours are exactly the same as a normal science degree. The difference would come in the form of accelerating certain units (doing 3rd year units in 2nd year etc.. It's more common within the cohorts) and research projects (Science students still have opportunity to do research projects anyway).

There isn't too much of an obvious focus throughout the degree on any kind of industry employment. Science itself has plenty of industry employment nights across the year. GC (Global Challenges) has a focus which is a bit more in line with that. But just finding jobs and employment, whether academic or not, after you finish the degree is up to you. But you will make decisions based on your research interests and with the help of supervisors.

I personally think trying to work out how much study you have to put in each week is a bit pointless. Contact hours themselves vary for everyone. Some of my friends can get 3 day timetables doing similar units. Some people don't show up to a lot of classes and cram during assignments and SWOTVAC. And some people are very studious and consistent.

Yeah, people I know are able to volunteer, hold jobs and tutor while studying. But at the minimum you can hold a part time job quite easily. 

If you have other specific questions about majors/units/anything else, feel free to ask here or PM.
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Re: Bachelor of Science Advanced - research
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2017, 06:54:33 pm »
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Thanks for the reply! I'm assuming you're talking about contact hours here:

How much study do you think is required per week (assuming i want to do well)? Do many people have casual/part-time jobs while doing these degrees?

Thanks
Yup. Those are contact hours with 4 units (fairly standard).

I worked two jobs (I tutor and I do another job) for my second and third years and it was doable. The uni recommends 12 hrs/ unit each week including contact hours, but realistically it depends on the person. Most people, as Floatzel98 said, have other commitments. Usually it’s feasible, with some minor clashes on occasion.

As Floatzel98 also mentioned, you can basically do just as much via the straight science degree. I did a research unit in my last semester and I did plenty of things that they did too.
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Re: Bachelor of Science Advanced - research
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2017, 07:57:05 pm »
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Quick question! Are students (who are doing this degree) often allowed to do more advanced units in certain areas if, for example, they did a university subject (in that area) in VCE and did well - or have a scholarship etc...Also how lenient are they in regards to letting students do later year subjects.

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Re: Bachelor of Science Advanced - research
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2017, 08:06:14 pm »
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I'm going to add in my two cents - I think there's a couple of things that weren't mentioned that really set this degree apart from the typical science degree. If I'm not talking about something, it's because Floatzel and AngelWings have already answered it.

So, firstly: classes. As mentioned, everything you do class-wise is available to a normal science student. Anybody can do research units, or advanced units, if they scored well enough (only need a D average, which you'll need to stay in the course anyway. Maths is the only exception, which requires two third year HDs to do the research unit).

However, normal science students can't choose when they do the units. You can. Research students will often have pre-reqs waived - the most common ones to do are for astrophysics and SCI2015. First year astro is nothing like actually astrophysics, so often the research students will skip first year astro so they can get to the meatier, actual so astro. As for SCI, you have to do it, but why do it in second year when there are fun electives you could do, when you could move it to first year instead of continuing, say, geology when you didn't like it in the first semester. I also did this to move a third year Chem unit into second year, so I could then do a second year unit in third year and get an easier third year.

Also, you don't get exclusive classes with others in the degree. But, you do get an exclusive first year camp with them, as well as a common room with swipe access only available to advanced science students, and a student society that runs cheap pizza nights, trivia nights, karaoke nights, etc. So, social side still clears out. You'll probably find these people in your classes, too, so it doesn't matter that there are other, normal science, students around.

Next, the "employability". No, this degree doesn't get extra employability chances. Those are shared with all of science, don't be greedy. :P Instead, you get more opportunities to do research - after all, it is in the name. Research students are the only first years in science (potentially even at the University) who are allowed to do research projects. Even more than that, there's a research scholarship called ResearchFirst that only research first years are allowed to even apply for. On top of this, if you ask an academic if they have room for an undergraduate researcher, and mention you're in this degree, 99% of the time they will take you if they can - and if they can't, they'll normally still find a way. My own supervisor actually told me his reasoning on it - any science student could be really good, but being in this degree is like having a sticker that says, "I'm smart, motivated, and want to do research", and those are the best kinds of student an academic can have. And if all goes according to plan, you should also get an academic mentor.

Ask away if you have any more questions. Preferably, in here and not my inbox.

Quick question! Are students (who are doing this degree) often allowed to do more advanced units in certain areas if, for example, they did a university subject (in that area) in VCE and did well - or have a scholarship etc...Also how lenient are they in regards to letting students do later year subjects.

Many Thanks! :)

Yes, but in consultation. See above for physics examples, but I also know people that did a second year Chem project in there first ever semester, people doing third year geology in first year, and someone who did second year zoology in first year.

When you get the offer, you'll be invited to speak to the course coordinator for orientation to discuss your units. Ask them about it then.

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Re: Bachelor of Science Advanced - research
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2017, 11:46:43 am »
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Thanks for the replies.

Does this course have mid-year entry? I'm not sure if i can afford to go to uni in Feb but I don't want to wait another whole year! :)
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Re: Bachelor of Science Advanced - research
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2017, 02:02:07 pm »
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Thanks for the replies.

Does this course have mid-year entry? I'm not sure if i can afford to go to uni in Feb but I don't want to wait another whole year! :)
To be honest, Willba99, if you're aiming to take a semester off, it would be best to have a gap semester. It would be easier to get an offer for the degree first in January and defer for one semester. Once you are accepted and given an offer, you can ask the Science Student Services to help you out with the deferral. There are also usually pretty self-explanatory steps to do so as well, given with your offer and enrolment. Just make sure that you actually have something to do in that half year e.g. working so you'll be set for uni in July/ August. (Also, are you an Australian citizen/ permanent resident? If you apply for CSP (typically courses that end in 0 or 1, iirc, your fees would be put into a HECS loan.) 

I would ask to check that though, if you're sure about entering mid-year. 
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Re: Bachelor of Science Advanced - research
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2017, 07:44:33 pm »
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To be honest, Willba99, if you're aiming to take a semester off, it would be best to have a gap semester. It would be easier to get an offer for the degree first in January and defer for one semester. Once you are accepted and given an offer, you can ask the Science Student Services to help you out with the deferral. There are also usually pretty self-explanatory steps to do so as well, given with your offer and enrolment. Just make sure that you actually have something to do in that half year e.g. working so you'll be set for uni in July/ August. (Also, are you an Australian citizen/ permanent resident? If you apply for CSP (typically courses that end in 0 or 1, iirc, your fees would be put into a HECS loan.) 

I would ask to check that though, if you're sure about entering mid-year. 

Yah I was planning on doing a "gap semester" - just working as much as possible. I'm just uncertain as to whether or not I can defer this degree for only half a year as opposed to a full year? Cheers
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Re: Bachelor of Science Advanced - research
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2017, 07:49:44 pm »
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Yah I was planning on doing a "gap semester" - just working as much as possible. I'm just uncertain as to whether or not I can defer this degree for only half a year as opposed to a full year? Cheers
Should be fine. I've heard some people do that.
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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2017, 08:09:41 pm »
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Should be fine. I've heard some people do that.

Thanks!! massive relief
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Re: Bachelor of Science Advanced - research
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2018, 01:00:51 pm »
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Hey Guys,

Any previous students like to share their experience of the Science Advanced Research Orientation camp, what do you do on the camp and where do you go? :)

Also, ResearchFirst are programs for first year students moving into second year (over the summer break)? Thanks!

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Re: Bachelor of Science Advanced - research
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2018, 01:45:47 pm »
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Hey Guys,

Any previous students like to share their experience of the Science Advanced Research Orientation camp, what do you do on the camp and where do you go? :)

Also, ResearchFirst are programs for first year students moving into second year (over the summer break)? Thanks!
The camp was really fun when I went on it. From what I heard about the camp last year it seems to have changed a little bit though. Started off at the uni, everyone checked in, had something to eat and then Lincoln talked for a bit. We first went for a tour of the campus. Stopped by the common room and hung out with some of the older students. Went through a couple of the major buildings; New Horizons, Chemistry, etc.  Went down and walked through the Jock Marshall Reserve. Then we went to the camp spot down in the Dandenong Ranges. Ended up playing a lot of games. Had a bit of a trivia at the end of the day as well. The next day we went to a high ropes course in the area. Like I said, I don't know how much it has changed but its well worth to go anyway, even to just get to know everyone and make some new friends.

Yes, you are correct about ResearchFIrst.
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