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Tips of managing VCE?
« on: September 07, 2013, 08:12:25 pm »
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Thing is, I'm not disciplined. I can't stick to my plans/timetable whatever you wanna call it. I always get distracted a procrastinate. My parents push me heaps and I try telling them I'll do well and I'll change in VCE and all but they say I won't and if I'm not disciplined now, I never will be. I'm doing HHD 3/4 next year and really need to do well in it: at least 48. My other subjects are below and they're all pretty heavy on the work load from what I've heard.

Really appreciate it if someone could give me some really valuable tips on how to get myself through VCE and get my goal of an ATAR of 99+ and getting into Med. Thanks in advance guys :)

I'm not sure if the link will work but below's my real goal for VCE. If I can get this or even better above this, I'd be pretty ecstatic :) So yeah, being realistic, can you guys tell me how to go about managing all my subjects? Maybe even outline how many hours a night I should do? Weekends and Weekday nights? Dad just told me that some guys work super hard at like 12 hours a day on weekends and I'm pretty sure that's a bit extreme :P But yeah, any tips would be great :D
http://vce.atarcalc.com/#{"increment":"0","score[14]":"38","score[64]":"45","score[6]":"46","score[38]":"36","score[18]":"49","score[65]":"32","subject":""}

Thanks! :D

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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2013, 09:18:23 pm »
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So yeah, being realistic, can you guys tell me how to go about managing all my subjects? Maybe even outline how many hours a night I should do? Weekends and Weekday nights? Dad just told me that some guys work super hard at like 12 hours a day on weekends and I'm pretty sure that's a bit extreme :P But yeah, any tips would be great :D
http://vce.atarcalc.com/#{"increment":"0","score[14]":"38","score[64]":"45","score[6]":"46","score[38]":"36","score[18]":"49","score[65]":"32","subject":""}

Thanks! :D


That is a tad extreme :P This weekend I've only done 2 hours.. and that was only coz i had saturday school haha. The thing is, im actually not what you would call a "good student". I procrastinate too much and rarely do work in my (many) frees at school. Since you asked about hours, I'll put mine here:
Mon - Fri:
During school average of 3 frees a day, do very little work. Maybe only total 1 hour out of 150minutes total... don't do hmwk in lunch time either
After school I get home, eat, rest, then start work round 4. Unless its due the next day, end at the latest 6pm. And that's it :P
Sat:
Indo school, 3 hours. cbbs doing anything after haha
Sun:
Maybe 2-3 hours work in the morning, 1-2 hours in the afternoon if its something due.

Hopefully others will post their work times coz mine is rather atypical :P
I do know friends who TRY to do as much hmwk as possible in a weekend.. but even they stop at 7 hours per day


Now, time for the tips haha ^^
  • ALWAYS STAY AHEAD. I reccomend at least 1 year ahead, but that's just my opinion. Many of the "pro" year 12's you'll see on this site are only good because we've finished the course ages ago. Some have even finished 1st year uni either through extension programs or Olympiad summer schools. But the key message is if you want a 'guaranteed' 45+ in a subject you have to finish the entire course earlier and spend the entire year revising & doing practise exams :). It is possible to do exceedingly well without finishing early, but can be much more stressful because it needs more work from what I've seen from other students
  • Keeping with staying ahead, if you're trying to self-teach, find motivation. Set yourself a goal of 1 chapter a week or something. If you really lack the motivation, ask around for a good tutor and get that person to teach you ahead. Like the whole course if possible. Some companies like Neap offer summer courses that go through the subject quickly, but I have no experience with them so I can't comment :P
  • STOP WASTING TIME! From your intro, I would really suggest you get organised. What distracts you the most? Facebook? Deactivate it. TV? Stop following every new series / season. Phone? Turn it off, only turn it on again at night or something. Too popular ;) ? Restrict your outing... etc etc. Make a list of all your distractions then come up with reasonable ways to circumvent them. Like going stone cold turkey from the internet because it distracts you is never going to work.. you could end up spending as much time worrying about what's happening on facebook (for example) as much as you would actually spend on it in the first place. A better strategy would be to limit your access, say to 30 min a day just before you go to bed, sort of like a reward for a good days homework.
  • STAY MOTIVATED! Since you want to get into Med, put up like med posters all around your room / house. Stuff from universities or big posters. You could also put up a poster of your desired ATAR
  • DO BLOODY WELL IN ENGLISH. If I go back to your link, this is what happens when you do just a bit better in english: ":"45","score[64]":"45","score[6]":"46","score[38]":"36","score[18]":"49","score[65]":"32","subject":""}]http://vce.atarcalc.com/#{"increment":"0","score[14]":"45","score[64]":"45","score[6]":"46","score[38]":"36","score[18]":"49","score[65]":"32","subject":""}You go from a 99.20 to a 99.70. Not much of a difference I hear you say? That could be the difference between getting into your course and not, or the difference between getting a scholarship and not. Every year there are always people who really well in the sciencey subjects and maths (like all 45+ raw) then get like 30 for English. Let's just say their overall ATAR wasn't as good as it could have been.. The message is DON'T get too caught up in HHD3/4 and neglect other subjects like English
  • Develop good study habits. I'm sure you've heard this many times before, but you can't just suddenly change the day before year 12 starts.. its just too easy to slip back into your old ways
  • Get into a good work group, people who are just as passionate as doing well as you are. If you are always helping out people.. it can slow you down a bit. I MEAN THAT IN THE NICEST WAY, but you can't always be the one helping others. You'll need someone to rely on too.
  • GOOD LUCK :D

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Re: Tips of managing VCE?
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2013, 09:53:10 pm »
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In my opinion, it's not really about how long you study, but how effectively you study. Try to stay away from distracting technology (I know I waste lots of time on this). If you listen in class, I mean really pay attention to what the teacher is saying, you don't have to do as much revision after since you should already have the ideas somewhat stuck in your head.

My study schedule is:

Weekdays:
I stay after school from around 3pm-5pm in the study centre to study without distractions. When I get home at around 6pm, I just kick back for the rest of the night. Oh and, sleep early! It will keep you fresh when you're at school the next day.

Weekends:
Usually I don't study much, maybe 1-2 hours. But sometimes if there are SACs coming up, I put in around 3-4 hours of study.

It may seem like I don't do much study but, if you're efficient and actually concentrate the whole time, you can get a lot done. If you procrastinate a lot, try staying after school to study (if your school lets you). Maybe hang out with the more studious people since if you sit by them, they probably won't talk to you and you'll have to study ;)

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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2013, 10:14:14 pm »
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I find making lists really helpful. You should see my room near my desk, lists everywhere on all wall and pin board! But it works! I write a list of what I want to achieve for each subject for that week of a Sunday night and I aim for 5 points for each. So for example, for my 3/4 this year, it might be revise unit 3 aos1 of a particular dot point I have forgotten or some thing like that. I also have a study timetable that I make up on a Sunday night too. Like you, I didn't stick to mine originally, but changing any routine takes time. I also have a big "90+" stuck above where I study and I take a mug that I made with a "90+" on it as well so when I'm chilling out drinking tea illegally from the year 12 common room, I'm always thinking of what I want out of next year.

With my study timetable, it's about finding a balance. I find I get more done if I divide my time into 30 minute chunks. When I sit down to work for that block, I set a timer so I actually do 30 minutes, then I cross it off. I find it really keeps me feeling in control  :)

As for how much a night, this is it...
Monday: I start at about 6 because I have band, so ill probably do 2 1/2 hours on Monday night because I'll go to bed early.
Tuesday-Thursday: ill start at about 4:30 and work through until about 5:30. Then go for a walk for 30 minutes and have dinner and start again at about 7 and go though until 8:30. I stop at 8:30 for TV shows I like to watch, but I don't do this on Wednesdays anymore because Offspring has finished  >:(
Friday: ill usually start about 6, depending on the week because my friends and I usually go out for coffee on a Friday after school. Ill work through until about 8:30, then have dinner and watch TV and then I usually work on my 3/4 folio, but I finished it tonight so idk what I'll be doing now, haha. During the week, I aim to be in bed by 10. But if I'm feeling tired, ill give the TV a miss and sleep! Just listen to your body, it works every time!

I work for about 6 hours on the weekend, so the day where I don't work is my big school work day because I ceebs doing stuff after work, haha. So I'd say I'd average around 6-7 hours of a weekend, just depends on workload. This weekend has been about 4 because I have no assessments until next term. I also find utilising time on public transport helps. I make flash cards on my iPod for revision and go through them going to and from school, so that's about 55-60 minutes a day on top of everything else.

In terms of aiming for the 48 in HHD, it's great to have goals, but I'd almost advise against it. If you do everything you can, everything will fall into place where it's supposed to be. So do all you can, and you'll get a score you deserve.
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2013, 10:19:33 pm »
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WOW thanks guys! Just gimme a bit of time to read all of that! ahah really appreciate it!

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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2013, 10:33:58 pm »
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Wow really good advice guys, thanks! :D
And yeah, I struggle from a sort of addiction to Facebook - like I'm on it getting caught up talking to friends or doing random stuff.
Even worse is my phone, games, messages, Facebook again...
And I'm not too keen on deactivating Facebook because that's like my main source of events and things on at school and around the place.

But yeah I've got to make a plan of some sort soon..

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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2013, 11:05:19 pm »
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  • ALWAYS STAY AHEAD. I reccomend at least 1 year ahead, but that's just my opinion. Many of the "pro" year 12's you'll see on this site are only good because we've finished the course ages ago.
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farkkk, all my confidence in VCE is gone now :(
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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2013, 11:16:43 pm »
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Haha you both from MHS?

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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2013, 11:41:20 pm »
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    ALWAYS STAY AHEAD. I reccomend at least 1 year ahead, but that's just my opinion. Many of the "pro" year 12's you'll see on this site are only good because we've finished the course ages ago. Some have even finished 1st year uni either through extension programs or Olympiad summer schools. But the key message is if you want a 'guaranteed' 45+ in a subject you have to finish the entire course earlier and spend the entire year revising & doing practise exams :). It is possible to do exceedingly well without finishing early, but can be much more stressful because it needs more work from what I've seen from other students
    I wouldn't always agree with this. Yes it can help by going ahead, but there is such a thing as going too far ahead. It will vary from person to person, for some it will work better, for others it will actually come off worse. If you go ahead you need to make sure that you're understanding all the content. Some people go ahead and rush through things, don't fully understand what they need to, they think that they're really prepared  but come off worse off because of it (i.e. getting a low 30 when they could have been a 40+). It just depends on the person really.
    farkkk, all my confidence in VCE is gone now :(
    Just forget this, you shouldn't be worried what others are doing, rather you should be trying to do the best that you can do, as if you do that you shouldn't have any regrets, and should be able to be happy with what you get.

    STOP WASTING TIME! From your intro, I would really suggest you get organised. What distracts you the most? Facebook? Deactivate it. TV? Stop following every new series / season. Phone? Turn it off, only turn it on again at night or something. Too popular ;) ? Restrict your outing... etc etc. Make a list of all your distractions then come up with reasonable ways to circumvent them. Like going stone cold turkey from the internet because it distracts you is never going to work.. you could end up spending as much time worrying about what's happening on facebook (for example) as much as you would actually spend on it in the first place. A better strategy would be to limit your access, say to 30 min a day just before you go to bed, sort of like a reward for a good days homework.[/li][/list]
    It's better to spread the breaks out across the day, rather than having it all in one hit. Say to yourself that you're going to work for 45 mins, at the end of that 45 min break you get a 10 min break for whatever. Because you know that you're going to get this break, you'll work really hard in that 45 mins, because at the end of it you get your 'reward'. When you start on this break, set a timer or something, that way it forces you to get back to it at the end of it. You still need proper breaks. It's still good to go out every now and then to make sure that you stay sane, and relax, refresh and reset yourself.

    Get into a good work group, people who are just as passionate as doing well as you are. If you are always helping out people.. it can slow you down a bit. I MEAN THAT IN THE NICEST WAY, but you can't always be the one helping others. You'll need someone to rely on too.
    Again, I'd partly disagree with this. It's good to go around and help others, if you're able to explain concepts and problems to them then it means that you know and understand the material. If you can communicate it to someone else then you're doing well. Back in my day, in our methods class, those who did well were not those who worked throughout class and stuck with themselves, rather those who did well were the ones who were going around and helping others (with this being said we worked hard at home, it's not as if we didn't put the work in). You shouldn't be completely helping everyone for the whole lesson, there's a point where it becomes detrimental, but talking about and explaining questions will help you and others in the long run. It will help you as a cohort.

    Keeping with staying ahead, if you're trying to self-teach, find motivation. Set yourself a goal of 1 chapter a week or something. If you really lack the motivation, ask around for a good tutor and get that person to teach you ahead. Like the whole course if possible. Some companies like Neap offer summer courses that go through the subject quickly, but I have no experience with them so I can't comment :P
    I would say it would be better to aim to learn a certain concept rather than a set amount of material. Yes setting a set amount of work will get you through the material, but you don't want to be getting through it for the sake of getting through it, you want to learn it properly. Saying to yourself that 'today I'm going to learn and understand what the derivative of a function means, what it relates to and how to apply it',  will help you a lot more, rather than saying 'I'm going to finish exercise 11B,C,D,E just so that I can get through them'.

    DO BLOODY WELL IN ENGLISH. If I go back to your link, this is what happens when you do just a bit better in english: ":"45","score[64]":"45","score[6]":"46","score[38]":"36","score[18]":"49","score[65]":"32","subject":""}]http://vce.atarcalc.com/#{"increment":"0","score[14]":"45","score[64]":"45","score[6]":"46","score[38]":"36","score[18]":"49","score[65]":"32","subject":""}You go from a 99.20 to a 99.70. Not much of a difference I hear you say? That could be the difference between getting into your course and not, or the difference between getting a scholarship and not. Every year there are always people who really well in the sciencey subjects and maths (like all 45+ raw) then get like 30 for English. Let's just say their overall ATAR wasn't as good as it could have been.. The message is DON'T get too caught up in HHD3/4 and neglect other subjects like English
    This is actually something I agree with, if you need an ATAR that high, then make sure you don't neglect english. (I did, and it bit me a little in the end, not that I really needed it to be high, would have still gotten into what I wanted easily, rather doing well in english already puts you a step ahead, since it has to count).

    On what your dad said, some people work their asses off and get lower than 90, others don't do too much work and get 99+. It just depends on the person and if you know how to play to your strengths. Which is something that you will get better at working out throughout the year. One last thing, remember that this year is for you, not anyone else. The end result of it is to get into what you want to get into, not what anyone else wants for you. If you can get this down pat, then the motivation to work hard will come a lot easier, allowing you to work towards your goal.

    Anyways, good luck!
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    ^^^^^^^^
    Wow thanks man! Good to have heaps of opinions! :D

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    « Reply #11 on: September 09, 2013, 05:35:34 pm »
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    This is actually something I agree with, if you need an ATAR that high, then make sure you don't neglect english.
    haha for once we both agree on something ;) JOKES b^3

    Again, I'd partly disagree with this. It's good to go around and help others, if you're able to explain concepts and problems to them then it means that you know and understand the material. If you can communicate it to someone else then you're doing well. Back in my day, in our methods class, those who did well were not those who worked throughout class and stuck with themselves, rather those who did well were the ones who were going around and helping others (with this being said we worked hard at home, it's not as if we didn't put the work in). You shouldn't be completely helping everyone for the whole lesson, there's a point where it becomes detrimental, but talking about and explaining questions will help you and others in the long run. It will help you as a cohort.
    This too^ I dont think I was clear enough in original post, but helping people will definitely benefit you too - like i wouldn't remember half as much of the methods course if I didn't help people out here and there. I was focusing more on b^3's last sentence about how spending too much time helping others can become detrimental..

    farkkk, all my confidence in VCE is gone now :(
    You'll be fine LOL. I was wanted to explain people who apparently "don't try" in VCE and still get 99+. That's the "secret". You can still to well tho if you work at it :D


    Anways, on to what I was gonna say:

    VSquared, don't solely focus on VCE like your life depends on it and not getting your desired ATAR means you can never get into med! If you do, somehow, mess up a little there are always alternate pathways into Med. I don't know how much research you've put into this, but if you look around you'll see that you can get into med though science, biomed, other unis then transferring or even an associate degree at uni (if they have them for med? Im not 100% sure). Don't let the thought of med daunt you in year 11 and year 12. Think about backup plans and talk about them with your parents :)
    At worst, you could go to TAFE, get a Certificate IV in Health (Nursing) and then transfer into med at monash uni (iirc). You go to Melb High so I'm just assuming that means you have the talent and the skill to do well in year 12. All you need is the confidence, don't let you dream the Med course drag you down, rather use it as goal to aspire for and know even if you don't quite get it, you can still get into med through other pathways. I'm sure some Med guys on the forum will help you out if you ask for it :D

    Also, don't forget to have fun!! As a year 12, with 3 and a bit weeks left I think I'm gonna miss year 12 =( as nerdy as that sounds. So by all means, take up the strategies and advice on this thread, (esp b^3, he's graduated so knows more than me) and work your butt off but don't forget to have fun and take your time :D I recommend sport actually, does wonders.. all those what-chu-ma-call-its and those chemical things do wonders for your brain :) (clearly I'm not going for med haha).

    Finally, get involved in extra curricular activities too! They can be a lot of fun, and some will teach you how to deal with stress in year 12 or give you more tips!

    Again, good luck! :D
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    Thanks! It's just that I feel really pressured.. Like my dad's pushing me to work everyday on one different subject for a certain amount of time to develop 'discipline'. So far I haven't really stuck to the plan...

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    Hey, I started off the year with a strict study timetable but I lost motivation over time. What I'm saying is, do your best but don't exhaust yourself because it will catch up to you. . A couple of hours a night is fine but so is doing 5 hours or 1, what matters is how much work you do in class and how much effort you put in.

    You will be fine :) The fact that you're worried about this already means you have a head start on most people.
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    Thanks! It's just that I feel really pressured.. Like my dad's pushing me to work everyday on one different subject for a certain amount of time to develop 'discipline'. So far I haven't really stuck to the plan...
    I know it's a bit hard with pushy parents and all, but to develop discipline, I think it's more something that you have to develop yourself. What I'm getting at is if you are developing it then if you didn't have that force to push you to work from the outside, you probably wouldn't get it done. If you did develop it then you would be able to. What I'm saying is, that it's probably better to not good to be getting pushed, rather it would be better for you to be pushing yourself. You probably already knew what I've just said, but it might help to get your mindset into "I'm doing this for me", "I'm the one who is deciding that I'm going to work, and going to work hard". "It's up to me, not anyone else". But again, I know that it's probably difficult to do that when you've got parents pressuring you like that. You sound like you're kinda caught in the middle there, it'll be easier to try and develop it now (you have to choose to do this, as in actually accept that you are going to put the effort in to do it), and maybe as a result get your parents to relax a bit, rather than having it all go through all the way to year 12.

    There probably weren't any solutions there in that above post, but I hope it helps anyways. Good Luck :)

    EDIT: I probably should add, I didn't have pushy parents, but I knew a few people that did. Those who were able to turn their mindset around that it was for them, did better in the long run, motivated themselves and keep working hard once they hit uni. The others who were just pushed and never developed discipline for themselves, some did well in the end (not all, but still), and well after that some got to uni, didn't have that push behind them and as a result of their lack of motivation and discipline didn't do great at uni.

    The fact that you're on this website asking for a bit of help here, means that you're willing to go in that direction, to give it a good shot. Again, good luck :)

    EDIT2: I probably should add I'm not trying to tell you what to do, just what I've seen happen before and what could help.
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