Liberal Party Debating Policy re same sex marriage

[heids]

I have nothing more to say than the very obvious: this whole thing is bullshit.  SSM is gonna happen anyway, why oppose it, marriage as the institution it used to be isn't a thing anymore, why the big deal, it doesn't hurt you to allow it. Your personal/religious views on same-sex relationships don't really have anything to do with it. Big fuss and expense and argument over nothing, just save us all by passing it already.

*imagines church friends and family reading this and cringes slightly*

[Joseph41]

I have nothing more to say than the very obvious: this whole thing is bullshit.  SSM is gonna happen anyway, why oppose it, marriage as the institution it used to be isn't a thing anymore, why the big deal, it doesn't hurt you to allow it. Your personal/religious views on same-sex relationships don't really have anything to do with it. Big fuss and expense and argument over nothing, just save us all by passing it already.

*imagines church friends and family reading this and cringes slightly*

But... the political correctness?!?!?!?!

[geminii]

So what does everyone think is going to happen? The votes are due by November 7th, and the results are going to be announced on November 15th.
Personally I think SSM will be legalised, just speaking to people I know, most of whom are voting yes. But of course my friendship group and acquaintances aren't representative of Australia. People have been fighting for SSM for so long here in Australia which is why I think it's going to be legalised.
I have friends who will vote yes, friends who will vote no, and friends who are on the fence, all of which are perfectly fine.

What do you guys think?

[elysepopplewell]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Natasha.97]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Finally! It’s been a long time coming

[vox nihili]

What an appalling waste of money. So glad it’s finally a yes vote, but we really didn’t need this horrible campaign.

[elysepopplewell]

What an appalling waste of money. So glad it’s finally a yes vote, but we really didn’t need this horrible campaign.

Absolutely not! The euphoria of hearing majority of Australians say YES doesn't outweigh the vitriol this campaign brought out in a lot of cases.

But, Turnbull says it's a before-Christmas priority???

[Willba99]

But, Turnbull says it's a before-Christmas priority???

Wouldn't it be nice

[Glasses]

What an appalling waste of money. So glad it’s finally a yes vote, but we really didn’t need this horrible campaign.

I certainly agree that it was unnecessary and a waste of money - but at least the positive is that it (re)affirms to conservatives/no voters and members of the LGBTIQA+ community that the Australian people clearly support and welcome marriage equality. (Even though I still disagree with the validity of same-sex relationships being judged by those who aren't actually in those relationships).

[vox nihili]

Absolutely not! The euphoria of hearing majority of Australians say YES doesn't outweigh the vitriol this campaign brought out in a lot of cases.

But, Turnbull says it's a before-Christmas priority???

I’m so conflicted to be honest. To see my gay friends so happy is really an incredible feeling, but at the same time, it comes on the back of months of misery.

It will be done as soon as they can. He’s already demonstrated fairly strongly this week that he’s not happy to have the conservatives run amok on this after the vote. Indeed, his comments in response to the Patterson bill were about the only time Turnbull has shown any strength in a really long time.

[appleandbee]

I have mixed feelings. It's great that the Yes! vote won, but if estimated figures are true that roughly 30-45% voted 'No', that is pretty concerning and nothing to be proud of. That that many people felt so strongly against LGBT rights, to vote 'no'. Of course for now, people are absolutely right to celebrate the Yes! vote prevailing,  but the bigger picture is still a bit disappointing.

[geminii]

I am disappointed in the outcome...however, I accept that it was a democratic vote. In that sense I am glad Australia has had it's say, and it would be wrong to create laws based on the minority. However it does not mean that I am glad of the outcome, but I am not surprised either - I think we all had a pretty good idea it was going to be legalised (or at least, everyone around me did).

I hope this doesn't impact on free speech like it has on America and Canada, although it very likely will. I am not at all opposed to gay marriage, but I am opposed to the repercussions that may arise as a result of the ruling.

Hope most of you were happy though!

[peterpiper]

I am disappointed in the outcome...however, I accept that it was a democratic vote. In that sense I am glad Australia has had it's say, and it would be wrong to create laws based on the minority

That's a really problematic view. Not gonna lie I've heard your opinions about this. And I've shared my opinion, so have others...Why do you still think it's wrong?

[Bri MT]

I have mixed feelings. It's great that the Yes! vote won, but if estimated figures are true that roughly 30-45% voted 'No', that is pretty concerning and nothing to be proud of. That that many people felt so strongly against LGBT rights, to vote 'no'. Of course for now, people are absolutely right to celebrate the Yes! vote prevailing,  but the bigger picture is still a bit disappointing.

The manner of participation was weighted towards demographics more likely to vote no, and I think most Australians who didn't vote would choose yes, if they had to select an option, but don't really care about it that much.

I also think that it says a lot that the no campaign was mainly based around conflating SSM with other topics such as politically correct language, sex ed etc.

I completely get what you're saying, but try not to be too disheartened

[geminii]

That's a really problematic view. Not gonna lie

Of course we shouldn't ignore the minority (especially in this case when it was actually pretty large - 38.4%, I read). Both sides' views should be taken into account. I'm part of the minority too, and I'm certainly not advocating for the government to completely ignore my views. May I ask what your opinion on SSM is?

Now that same sex marriage is legalised, we still need to take into account that a lot of people are still against it. To acknowledge this we need to make sure that schools and churches aren't forced to teach about SSM - some schools/churches can, while some don't have to, and whichever one you send your children to is your choice. SSM is legalised, yes - but kids should not be forced to learn about it if their parents or family don't approve.