Game of Thrones S7 -- A Song of Discussion & Debate

[gemmaruffin]

Spoilers S7E1

No hate on Ed Sheeran but I think that may have been the most pointless cameo I've ever seen. But besides that that was way better than I was expecting 

OMG so happy there is a thread for GOT!!!

Spoilers S7E1

Yeah, didn't really get that, his acting was not on the level of everyone else (maybe except Bran). But can we just talk about just how done Jaime is with Cersei? Like this girl has NOTHING to live for anymore, and now she's on a rage plan and she won't even respect Jaime
Apart from that I defs enjoyed the ep! Especially that opening scene with the white walkers and the giants that will most definitely cause some trouble for everyone else

[Quantum44]

WINTER IS HERE

That first scene with Arya pretending to be Walker Frey was amazing, full on justice mode.

The Ed Sheeran cameo was... strange.

Euron Greyjoy is a massive dick, I'm worried the prize he is hoping to return with is Tyrion.

I'm surprised we got such a grand introduction to Dragonstone, it was quite a cathartic moment as Dany returned to her birthplace, I don't remember if we got to see much of the exterior when Stannis was there.

Overall a solid episode. It will be interesting to see how the Hound and Sam's storylines develop over the season.

[mixel]

OMG so happy there is a thread for GOT!!!

Spoilers S7E1

Yeah, didn't really get that, his acting was not on the level of everyone else (maybe except Bran). But can we just talk about just how done Jaime is with Cersei? Like this girl has NOTHING to live for anymore, and now she's on a rage plan and she won't even respect Jaime
Apart from that I defs enjoyed the ep! Especially that opening scene with the white walkers and the giants that will most definitely cause some trouble for everyone else

Spoilers S7E1

Yeeaaah I don't really buy Cersei's motivations sometimes but when you think about her character arc over the last three seasons it's a lot more believable how terrible she's become. I think Euron takes the cake with poorly explained motivations though, like what I like about GoT is how it gears you toward rooting for shitty people, and he's just so moustache-twirlingly overblown evil in that episode that it actually cheapens all of the other characters in the Iron Isles for having voted for him. It kinda feels like the producers needed another fucked up character after Ramsay died and are now shoehorning Cersei and Euron into an 'alliance of evil' as a cheap and dirty way to raise the stakes.

Spoilers S7E1

That first scene with Arya pretending to be Walker Frey was amazing, full on justice mode.

The Ed Sheeran cameo was... strange.

Euron Greyjoy is a massive dick, I'm worried the prize he is hoping to return with is Tyrion.

I'm surprised we got such a grand introduction to Dragonstone, it was quite a cathartic moment as Dany returned to her birthplace, I don't remember if we got to see much of the exterior when Stannis was there.

Overall a solid episode. It will be interesting to see how the Hound and Sam's storylines develop over the season.

Spoilers S7E1

Totally agree about Dragonstone, I really liked the almost futuristic aesthetic of it. I'm gonna disagree straight up with the Arya scene though, I think it may be the worst cold open of any season in this show. My thinking is that action in GoT is at its best when it starts subtly, when it spends multiple episodes building up to a crescendo and then just absolutely lets loose after all of the pieces have been set up. The best episodes have been like that: the blackwater, hardhome, the red wedding, the battle of the bastards etc. were all the result of pretty much a season of build up where it really felt like the directors earned the action. By starting a season with a really unearned and predictable bloodbath just feels really cheap to me. They've made it really clear that all hell is going to break loose this season, but now it just feels like obvious foreshadowing, especially because no one cared at all or had any investment in the Freys whatsoever at this point in the show.

[Sine]

I watched the very first episode. I like Ned Stark.

No spoilers for s1 e1 guys I havent even started

[K888]

Spoilers S7E1

No hate on Ed Sheeran but I think that may have been the most pointless cameo I've ever seen. But besides that that was way better than I was expecting 

I laughed harder than I should have when I got to that scene.

Overall, a damn good episode. Extremely keen for the next few Mondays

[Calebark]

Spoiler

They missed out on the perfect pun-cameo of Ed Sheeran being a sheep shearer

A bit slow (esp. considering there are only 7 episodes), but enjoyable nonetheless! Loved the first scene just because I really dislike the Freys.

Also, is it just me, or were the zingers flying left, right, and centre? Game of Zingers, amirite?

Loved the Hound's character development too. Not only was he remorseful, but he was able to look into the flames.

[vox nihili]

Surprised everyone here liked it. Episode was pretty eventless and not sure that it really developed the story either, so was kind of left wondering what was the point of the episode. The dialogue wasn't really up to its usual brilliance either, but that could be due to a needlessly high Sansa:Tyrion ratio.



Controversial opinion, but the white walkers element to the story is kind of shit. Would have been perfectly content if they just fought for the iron throne and believe the story had enough to it without the somewhat bizarre addition of zombies to the mix. Feels like the series is trying to run two separate stories at once that don't really gel.

[Calebark]

Surprised everyone here liked it. Episode was pretty eventless and not sure that it really developed the story either, so was kind of left wondering what was the point of the episode. The dialogue wasn't really up to its usual brilliance either, but that could be due to a needlessly high Sansa:Tyrion ratio.



Controversial opinion, but the white walkers element to the story is kind of shit. Would have been perfectly content if they just fought for the iron throne and believe the story had enough to it without the somewhat bizarre addition of zombies to the mix. Feels like the series is trying to run two separate stories at once that don't really gel.

To be perfectly honest, I think a lot of my enjoyment stems from my hype for the rest of it. It was really slow, but it did provide a bit of a setup for the rest. As a standalone though, a bit disappointing.

I think the two stories are definitely meant to be jarring. The fight for the throne is obviously covered most in the series, but in the end, it's definitely not the most important. Nobody takes the White Walkers seriously. I think they did a good job of showing the disconnection there. I personally like the storyline -- really enjoy the supernatural aspects of the show. I wouldn't really consider it bizarre though -- we already have witches, spooky magical red priests, dragons, giants, CoTF (essentially elves), warlocks, fire zombies (essentially Beric), and whatever else has been put in.

[Quantum44]

Surprised everyone here liked it. Episode was pretty eventless and not sure that it really developed the story either, so was kind of left wondering what was the point of the episode. The dialogue wasn't really up to its usual brilliance either, but that could be due to a needlessly high Sansa:Tyrion ratio.



Controversial opinion, but the white walkers element to the story is kind of shit. Would have been perfectly content if they just fought for the iron throne and believe the story had enough to it without the somewhat bizarre addition of zombies to the mix. Feels like the series is trying to run two separate stories at once that don't really gel.

First episodes are usually quite slow, but it's shaping up to be an interesting season. As for the white walkers, you're enjoyment of that aspect of the story depends on whether you like the fantasy genre.

[Calebark]

Really hyped for when Jon meets Dany.

'Oh, hi, just here to see if we can mine your island so we can use the obsidian underneath it to kill millenia-old ice demons and their army of reanimated corpses.'

Then there's some weird tension between them because they're aunt-uncle and this is Game of Thrones...

also, the last time I saw Jim Broadbent let a student into the restricted section, he helped made Lord Wizard Nazi -- good thing he learned from his mistakes

[Shadowxo]

*hides from spoilers until I've finished watching the first ep*
*no season 7 spoilers in this post*

Took a long time but finally finished S6! I put off watching the last episode because I didn't want it to be over but with the new season coming out I had no excuse.
I think Cersei will be (even more) cold and heartless this season now that

Spoiler

her last child is dead

The last of her humanity died with him.
I hope Dany rules and conquers Westeros. Also, I wonder what Jon's true name is? I'm super excited to see Arya have her revenge and hopefully see the rest of her family again

Just so long as ol' Neddy Stark is fit and firin'! Can't wait for Season 1 Episode 2!

I'm super excited to see Ned make a comeback this season

[Calebark]

*hides from spoilers until I've finished watching the first ep*
*no season 7 spoilers in this post*

Took a long time but finally finished S6! I put off watching the last episode because I didn't want it to be over but with the new season coming out I had no excuse.
I think Cersei will be (even more) cold and heartless this season now that

Spoiler

her last child is dead

The last of her humanity died with him.
I hope Dany rules and conquers Westeros. Also, I wonder what Jon's true name is? I'm super excited to see Arya have her revenge and hopefully see the rest of her family again

I think his real name is Jaehaerys! It's a Targaryen name (two kings with it so far), and they both start with J, haha.

[vox nihili]

First episodes are usually quite slow, but it's shaping up to be an interesting season. As for the white walkers, you're enjoyment of that aspect of the story depends on whether you like the fantasy genre.

I'm not sure whether it has to do with the genre. My major issue with it is that it just doesn't seem to fit particularly nicely with the rest of the plot. Those who have read the book will know that George RR Martin has an unfortunate tendency to pursue tangents and open up too many story lines at once. The White Walkers component of the storyline feels a little bit like that. Like he's had two ideas and he's trying to mash them together.

[Calebark]

I'm not sure whether it has to do with the genre. My major issue with it is that it just doesn't seem to fit particularly nicely with the rest of the plot. Those who have read the book will know that George RR Martin has an unfortunate tendency to pursue tangents and open up too many story lines at once. The White Walkers component of the storyline feels a little bit like that. Like he's had two ideas and he's trying to mash them together.

Definitely agree with his tangents (although I feel like it's too much pointless worldbuilding, less plot, especially with AFFC & ADWD), but really don't think the White Walkers are one of them. GRRM really loves his parallels: Targaryen-Stark, Valyrian-First Men, Dragonsteel-Dragonglass, R'hllor-Great Other, wights-whateverBericis, Targaryen visions-greensight, Doom of Valyria-fate of Hardhome. I feel like there's too much of these Fire-Ice parallels to not have some end to it. I personally think it's too much of a coincidence that the return of the dragons (source of magic, according to Pyat Pree) coincides with the return of the Others (implied source of magic).

I think that in the show, it doesn't fit AS WELL as they don't make the mundane world-magic connections as often, particulary in relation to the Targaryen dynasty (bloodline of Aerys-Rhaella, Rhaegar's obsession, etc), but in the books, I feel like it fits right in.

Most of the other major storylines just lead to some sort of means to solve the White Walker problem imo.

[gemmaruffin]

I'm not sure whether it has to do with the genre. My major issue with it is that it just doesn't seem to fit particularly nicely with the rest of the plot. Those who have read the book will know that George RR Martin has an unfortunate tendency to pursue tangents and open up too many story lines at once. The White Walkers component of the storyline feels a little bit like that. Like he's had two ideas and he's trying to mash them together.

I actually really like the white walker story line! I think it reminds everyone on the island that there is more important things they should worry about than the small importance holding the throne has in comparison to the imminent death they could face if the white walkers break the wall down. I think both this and next season, it will cause people we may not expect to band together in order to battle, which may actually end up being quite interesing!

Hopefully, everything bands together before the last ep of season 8, because I'm not dealing with undealt with plot lines (@gendry - do you think he will return rowing his boat??) to be never discovered.