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Re: motion
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 03:55:22 pm »
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Yeah, the physics syllabus hasn't changed since 2005. It is set to change next year though.
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Re: motion
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2008, 04:51:43 pm »
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I dont think so.
they have taken circular motion in the vertical plane out of the course
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Re: motion
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2008, 06:51:42 pm »
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I dont think so.
they have taken circular motion in the vertical plane out of the course

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Re: motion
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2008, 06:53:59 pm »
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I dont think so.
they have taken circular motion in the vertical plane out of the course


Sigh, the Victorian Maths/Physics course is disgustingly dumbed down. I'm looking to start some action to beef up Specialist Maths and Physics to compare with the NSW and WA standards which trump ours by a ridiculous margin.

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Re: motion
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2008, 07:38:46 pm »
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Holy crap NSW has a incredibly hard math paper. Lots of the questions remind me of the types you might find in competitions. Lots of 'prove this' and other problem solving type questions. ~20 pages of absolute madness. Yeah I agree, Victoria needs a real math and physics course.
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Re: motion
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2008, 07:54:01 pm »
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Their 4u mathematics is, what i would term, '1337'.

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Re: motion
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2008, 04:19:21 pm »
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I disagree, I think the subjects as they are are structured to lead nicely towards uni, especially in maths. Physics could easily be harder, but I believe it is made easy to encourage people to do it. Whilst some people are attracted to maths courses because they want pain and hardship, most people at VCE choose the easiest load, even if it isn't what they like. With victoria having only 0.5% of graduates with a maths major (OECD average is 1%), we need to attract people to mathematical disciplines, and making them harder probably isn't the best way to do this.
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Re: motion
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2008, 04:31:54 pm »
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I further disagree with you. Why offer unimaths, then? I think they should have further, methods, specialist, AND UMEP only as a VCE subject like 4U maths does. Plenty of people still do 4u mathematics... who knows, maybe they can scale the new maths up to 60. :P That'd attract a fuckload of people. Haha

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Re: motion
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2008, 05:03:54 pm »
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I further disagree with you. Why offer unimaths, then? I think they should have further, methods, specialist, AND UMEP only as a VCE subject like 4U maths does. Plenty of people still do 4u mathematics... who knows, maybe they can scale the new maths up to 60. :P That'd attract a fuckload of people. Haha
that'll just attract a lot of humanities people crying "science people have unfair advantage over us~"
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Re: motion
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2008, 05:05:25 pm »
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No, I am not persuaded, your argument, why offer unimaths then (where then seems to imply that there is no point to a hard maths when we have only easy maths) makes no particular sense. In fact, having easier maths provides a fantastic niche for people who do desire harder maths.
Now there is roughly 200 people in UMEP and I'd imagine similar numbers in MUEP, so if it became a subject it would have a pitiful enrolment, and most likely only be offered at the more elite and academic schools. UMEP and MUEP allow anybody interested in maths to study on an almost equal footing. Thus, institutionalising UMEP would be detrimental, whilst making the maths subjects harder would serve to drive people away from maths and make enhancement maths redundant
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Re: motion
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2008, 05:09:06 pm »
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No, I am not persuaded, your argument, why offer unimaths then (where then seems to imply that there is no point to a hard maths when we have only easy maths) makes no particular sense. In fact, having easier maths provides a fantastic niche for people who do desire harder maths.
Now there is roughly 200 people in UMEP and I'd imagine similar numbers in MUEP, so if it became a subject it would have a pitiful enrolment, and most likely only be offered at the more elite and academic schools. UMEP and MUEP allow anybody interested in maths to study on an almost equal footing. Thus, institutionalising UMEP would be detrimental, whilst making the maths subjects harder would serve to drive people away from maths and make enhancement maths redundant
I smell a straw-man

I think enwiabe is arguing for a UMEP/MUEP level math offered as a VCE subject with nice incentives [ridiculously high scaling :P] that will attract students, which isnt a bad idea, considering the impact of attending UMEP/MUEP can have on your other classes.

and on the note of "pitiful enrolment", there are many studies that are very low in numbers, yet they are not invalidated on the basis of "pitiful enrolment". One of such is Indigenous Languages, ought we make these subjects only offered by specialist institutions?
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Re: motion
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2008, 05:09:25 pm »
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Simple solution: Keep the unis running enhancement programs but count them as fully fledged study scores.

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Re: motion
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2008, 05:11:03 pm »
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And also "why offer unimaths then" was a retort to you saying that people wanted the easier option. As has been evidenced people SHOULD have the harder option. In NSW, they have General Maths - further, 2U mathematics - methods, 3U mathematics - spec, and 4U mathematics - our 'unimaths' and they get on with it JUST fine. Why should we be any different?

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Re: motion
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2008, 05:21:03 pm »
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Simple solution: Keep the unis running enhancement programs but count them as fully fledged study scores.
agreed.
the current incentives really isnt much, whilst a 55 may sound nice, it only works as a 5.5 aggregate... [like thats gonna get you far~]

the system more or less reflect lazy attitudes in Victorian students, [even though we are the most densely populated, and hence the competition should be stronger]
rather than falling back and creating "easier options" that encourage these people to take on "harder" subjects, the level of learning should be increased in all VCE studies [and prior] that encourages overall achievement rather than easier-way-out.
if we, for example, increase the difficulty of MM, it may mean some faint-hearted will pull out, but most will stay in as it is a university entry requirement for many courses. the outcome is simply, a few people abandoning some options, while the standard is raised. is that so bad?
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