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Re: COVID-19 and Education
« Reply #300 on: August 11, 2020, 09:43:11 am »
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Our education minister has just said that not only will our ATARs be moderated, but also our study scores. They've created a new category of educational disadvantage that is supposed to take everything into consideration and 'level the playing field', and the GAT will be used to help determine our level of achievement and will play a part in this moderation. How does everyone feel about this?

Interesting that they're going to moderate both study scores and ATARs - and I definitely feel that less is more in this situation, considering modifying study scores will modify ATARs as a direct consequence. Don't think they should be touching the ATARs as well

However, using the GAT is IMHO a good idea - this is what the GAT was always designed for, so it's not like anything has changed that much. Plus I feel they've given it enough time for people to realise that the GAT should be taken seriously
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Re: COVID-19 and Education
« Reply #301 on: August 11, 2020, 09:43:55 am »
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Our education minister has just said that not only will our ATARs be moderated, but also our study scores. They've created a new category of educational disadvantage that is supposed to take everything into consideration and 'level the playing field', and the GAT will be used to help determine our level of achievement and will play a part in this moderation. How does everyone feel about this?
if it levels the playing field why haven't they done it before? I feel like a lot of the changes assume that VCE before the pandemic was a level playing field.

I haven't seen the press conference or statements so gonna have to look into the details before I comment properly.

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Re: COVID-19 and Education
« Reply #302 on: August 11, 2020, 09:52:37 am »
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Our education minister has just said that not only will our ATARs be moderated, but also our study scores. They've created a new category of educational disadvantage that is supposed to take everything into consideration and 'level the playing field', and the GAT will be used to help determine our level of achievement and will play a part in this moderation. How does everyone feel about this?
We simply don't have enough information yet; just so long as I get the marks I need (and would expect to be able to get) and it ends up pretty fair, I don't mind how they do it. Yes, using the GAT is a good idea, I  think. When did this information come out/where?
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Re: COVID-19 and Education
« Reply #303 on: August 11, 2020, 10:21:02 am »
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Sorry - I didn't mean to imply you were being discriminatory OR judging of others, meant more that you should feel open to discussion without fear of either of those things happening. Hell, you're being so vague about everything I think it's basically impossible to even feel judged by you atm 😂 Was just hoping to get your actual thoughts on the table so we could have a discussion

Well here's another reference (technically still relevant since you're referring to my comments from yesterday):

think we can all have an open discussion about these things without judging each other?

Two, am I fearing anything? 😪 I'm still going to stick to my position, and it's very clear that I'm open to anyone's criticism. My actual thoughts? Probably not on here thank you. End of discussion 🙂

Also, me being vague. Maybe 0.1% can dissect what I'm linking to. Since this is considered as undesirable, and I don't think an open discussion is exactly possible on here, I'll stop.
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Re: COVID-19 and Education
« Reply #304 on: August 11, 2020, 10:34:01 am »
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We simply don't have enough information yet; just so long as I get the marks I need (and would expect to be able to get) and it ends up pretty fair, I don't mind how they do it. Yes, using the GAT is a good idea, I  think. When did this information come out/where?
It was sent to schools and directed towards year 12 students. There was also a video with James Merlino talking about it, also sent to schools.

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Re: COVID-19 and Education
« Reply #305 on: August 11, 2020, 01:13:01 pm »
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On the VCAA website they've said that they will use these to give us our study score/ATAR:
"the ranked order of students prior to and following the impact of coronavirus (COVID-19)
a studentís indicative grades prior to and following the impact of coronavirus (COVID-19)
school assessments completed prior to remote and flexible learning
the General Achievement Test (GAT)
a range of statistical analyses used to calculate final results."
So if you've had a decrease in performance following impact of corona but you were in the top 10 ranks prior to corona they'll give you the special consideration right?
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Re: COVID-19 and Education
« Reply #306 on: August 17, 2020, 06:03:43 pm »
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How's everyone feeling about the new VCE Unit 4 SAC protocols? :)
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Re: COVID-19 and Education
« Reply #307 on: August 17, 2020, 06:10:35 pm »
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How's everyone feeling about the new VCE Unit 4 SAC protocols? :)
More info here.
What do you mean? I don't see any 'new VCE Unit 4 SAC protocols'...? Although I may have misunderstood something.
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Re: COVID-19 and Education
« Reply #308 on: August 17, 2020, 06:29:17 pm »
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What do you mean? I don't see any 'new VCE Unit 4 SAC protocols'...? Although I may have misunderstood something.
Basically, students are allowed to leave their premises to undertake essential assessment (i.e. Unit 4 SACs).

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Re: COVID-19 and Education
« Reply #309 on: August 17, 2020, 06:51:37 pm »
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Just wondering:
1) How important do you think the GAT is this year? Is there any way to prepare for it if it is substantially more important this year as compared to other years?
2) Do you guys reckon the class of '21 will have to deal with this as well?
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3) Anyone else feel like this new system is rigged? Like honestly...just add another section onto SEAS about impact due to COVID that doesn't rely on teachers so much subjectively assuming how a student would have done without coronavirus.   [/quote]

re people feeling sorry for Dan Andrews (don't think it was on this thread but still): yeah I definitely agree, first came the bushfires, then coronavirus, what next?
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Re: COVID-19 and Education
« Reply #310 on: August 17, 2020, 07:06:01 pm »
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1) How important do you think the GAT is this year? Is there any way to prepare for it if it is substantially more important this year as compared to other years?
2) Do you guys reckon the class of '21 will have to deal with this as well?
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3) Anyone else feel like this new system is rigged? Like honestly...just add another section onto SEAS about impact due to COVID that doesn't rely on teachers so much subjectively assuming how a student would have done without coronavirus.   
1) It will be important to do well on the GAT, however I still firmly believe you shouldn't be spending a substantial amount of time preparing or stressing yourself out about it. It's not going to play a major part in study score calculation as of now - it will be a factor to moderate scores and compare scores/assessments between schools but isn't going to actually count towards the final study score (as of now).
2) No, I really don't think so. I'm hopeful the vaccine will come out sometime in the middle of next year at least, meaning the class of 2021 won't be as affected as the class of 2020. If you are substantially impacted by the effects of COVID early next year, then there might be provisions in place but I don't think it will matter too much in the long run because you won't experience the same levels of disruption as we have.

Re. your spoiler: the system has always been somewhat rigged, people are just voicing their complaints now. There is a new SEAS section for education disadvantage caused by COVID (which basically every student will apply for), but the government is choosing to take other subjective measures such as purported rankings if COVID wasn't a thing from teachers (and I'm not sure why they are taking things like this into consideration). It's honestly quite counterintuitive.

Re. unit 4 SACs being undertaken at school: I don't know. There's still a choice here - schools can choose not to do this or they can. This furthers the difference in SAC administration methods, which is already such a big problem due to the virus. Overall it's good for subjects like English and other writing-based subjects where writing the essay prepares us better for the exam than typing the essay. However, if our goal is to minimise the spread, I don't think this will help a good deal. Especially now that we see a trend as cases start to recede. Do we really want to go out and mingle when there is always a possibility of a 3rd wave? I don't know if this is the best way to go.

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Re: COVID-19 and Education
« Reply #311 on: August 17, 2020, 07:06:21 pm »
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Just wondering:
1) How important do you think the GAT is this year? Is there any way to prepare for it if it is substantially more important this year as compared to other years?
2) Do you guys reckon the class of '21 will have to deal with this as well?
Spoiler
3) Anyone else feel like this new system is rigged? Like honestly...just add another section onto SEAS about impact due to COVID that doesn't rely on teachers so much subjectively assuming how a student would have done without coronavirus.   

re people feeling sorry for Dan Andrews (don't think it was on this thread but still): yeah I definitely agree, first came the bushfires, then coronavirus, what next?
1. GAT will be monstrously more important this year. The GAT is designed fairly well in that it tests a set of skills, not a set of knowledge - the best way to prepare for it is by practicing those skills. Do some practice GAT essays and ask your teacher to mark them (if they're willing - I was lucky in that my high school English teacher used to be a GAT assessor, and was more than happy to mark practice GAT essays for us), then go through the multiple choice questions and answer them all as well as you can. Realise which of the three sections you're doing best at, and which you need to work on - but also consider which of those areas you need to do well on. The essay section is going to be important since everyone has to do an English, but if outside of that all that you study is maths and science, don't worry too much about doing poorly on the humanities section.

2. No clue. Only time will tell. It's probably best not to make conjectures about this. This is not a system you can try and manipulate, anyway, until we know exactly how it works - otherwise trying to "game it" may just end up hurting you in the long run.

3. Lots of people are, and many have even said so in this thread. I, personally, don't think it is - and sounds kinda fair. Sure, you could add it into SEAS, but VTAC likely wouldn't be prepared for the amount of moderation they'd have to put into it, and it would end up leading into nearly everyone getting the same SEAS bonus, which would just artificially boost everyone's ATARs anyway AND the clearly-ins as a result. Putting it in SEAS would lead to the exact thing that everyone is worried about happening. Whereas the system they've proposed sounds like it'll only be pushing up the people whose both GATs and teachers suggest they could've achieved higher than they will as a result. I maintain that - based on the information that has been made available to us - if you do well on the GAT, were doing well this year before COVID, and continue to do well, you won't be disadvantaged. However, even if you were doing poorly before COVID, and are doing great now, you likely won't be disadvantaged EITHER - and the same for if you did well before COVID, but aren't doing well now. This doesn't sound like a system that will disadvantage anyone other than those who were already doing poorly and likely to not get good ATARs anyway (which is a topic for another thread)
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Re: COVID-19 and Education
« Reply #312 on: August 18, 2020, 11:30:40 am »
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Thanks for your insight whys and keltingmeith!  :)
If I'm just a Yr 11 student this year and doing a LOTE 3/4, what section of the GAT do you reckon I should do well on? Also how would I be impacted if I have a small cohort (12 people)?
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Re: COVID-19 and Education
« Reply #313 on: August 18, 2020, 07:54:56 pm »
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Thanks for your insight whys and keltingmeith!  :)
If I'm just a Yr 11 student this year and doing a LOTE 3/4, what section of the GAT do you reckon I should do well on? Also how would I be impacted if I have a small cohort (12 people)?
Hi! I'm not 100% sure on this so take it with a grain of salt. As languages does not directly correlate with any of the sections, I'd say the writing tasks. However, I strongly believe that you should strive to do well on ALL of the sections, as no one really knows how the GAT is going to be used this year. With small cohorts, the achievements of individuals have a bigger effect overall, but this year I think they'll assess GAT results individually.

What does everyone think about the importance of Unit 4 sac ranks this year? Do you all think that the weighting of sacs in regards to our ATAR has been decreased drastically? I kind of want it to be...the sacs run in this unit are all over the place in terms of what schools are doing. Frankly, I'd prefer the weighting of unit 4 sacs to be reduced even further, if not completely cut out with only unit 3 sac rankings mattering, as external factors affecting sac performance of individuals has been drastically affected. By factors I mean mental health issues caused by isolation, improperly moderated sac conditions allowing students to cheat, home lives interfering with health and performance, and just so much more.

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Re: COVID-19 and Education
« Reply #314 on: August 24, 2020, 03:19:13 pm »
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I'm so worried about the GAT. I did horrendous last year and thinking about what would have happened if they used my GAT for my study score just gives me nightmares. I know that they need it for moderation this year but still not a fan that it's important. Because I do all science and maths, should I put less effort into the arts/hums part of the GAT or is it still important for me to perform well in them?
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