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#### TylerD9

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##### Thoughts on Melbourne Model for Engineering
« on: February 16, 2019, 08:15:25 pm »
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Hey guys,

I am interested in doing engineering and am interested in Melbourne uni. Currently, my main preference is Monash however after a tour of Melb Uni I have gained interest in a few things they offer non-study related (mainly the sporting opportunities) that seem very very good there. So I have a few questions.

1. Is the Melbourne model bad for engineering? From my understand, I'll complete a bachelor of science in a discipline that doesn't qualify me for much on its own and then do the masters of engineering. From what I've been told, this pathway makes you too qualified for a graduate job but doesn't give you enough experience for a masters job so its a big catch. How true is this? It is extra time compared to other uni's and I wouldn't want to go through with it to end up jobless!

2. How much opportunity is there to explore/gain degrees in other interests? Monash allows me to do a double degree in another disciple. What does Melbourne do (other than breadth subjects) to cater for this considering they don't offer double degrees?

Thank you,

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#### AlphaZero

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##### Re: Thoughts on Melbourne Model for Engineering
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2019, 10:00:35 pm »
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Although I'm majoring in Bioengineering systems, I haven't finished my degree (BBmed) so take this with a grain of salt.

1) You're mostly right. The bachelor degrees at UoM are designed to be quite broad to give you a range of expertise. Majoring in an engineering field in a bachelor degree doesn't really give you the 'full' qualifications to become an engineer, and so you are generally forced to do a Masters in Engineering. I don't have first-hand experience about whether doing a Masters gives you enough experience, but I do know that in your Masters, you will be doing semester- or year-long design projects. Becoming a fully accredited engineer from unimelb takes between 5 and 6 years (for most people, 5 years).

2) I would argue that UoM is one of the best universities for being able to explore other interests. The Bachelor of Science is a really flexible course, and along side doing engineering subjects, you can explore other areas such as biology, chemistry, physics, etc. As you mentioned, breadth subjects force you to take subjects that are outside your field. In your case, that could be arts, commerce, music (really anything you want other than science). You have to take between 4 to 6 breadth subjects, meaning this is a great way to explore your interests in other fields. There are also concurrent diplomas (music, languages, computing and mathematical sciences), which although usually add an extra year, give you an extra qualification.

As you can see in my signature, I've pretty much fully customised my degree. I'm taking subjects in biology and chemistry as core units; physics, computing and engineering subjects for my major; maths for my concurrent diploma; and for breadth, languages, music and commerce.
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#### M909

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##### Re: Thoughts on Melbourne Model for Engineering
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2019, 09:31:37 am »
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Also interested in and currently trying to research info on this (particularly the jobs issue), but happy to share what I've found and heard so far:

1) To add onto the great advice given above regarding the actual qualification, I've heard mixed things from MEng students about job opportunities. On the one hand, during a non-uni related volunteering activity, I met a guy who had done the BSc -> MEng pathway (Mechanical from memory?), and was struggling to find full time work after some years. His communication was fine, however he was an international student who was still trying to sort out citizenship and all that ... While I also have no experience with this, I've heard that finding an Eng job in Australia is much harder for international students, and by the looks of it a big proportion of the UniMelb Eng are international students, which may affect what you hear about employment opportunities online. During a uni activity, I also met another guy (didn't ask, but pretty sure he was a domestic student), currently doing the MEng (Mechantronics) who had already gotten himself a paid internship before graduating. Of course, these are both anecdotal evidence, but I'd also say in general the more competitive you make yourself (E.g. Through extracurriculars, soft skills like communication, technical skills like programming, grades), the better position you'll be in regardless.

There's also a government funded website I've stumbled upon that "provides prospective students with relevant and transparent information about Australian higher education institutions from the perspective of recent students and graduates". From that, the full time employment rate for Monash BEng graduates is 79.3%, and 76.5% for UniMelb post-grad coursework students (in attachments), which doesn't seem too significantly different. Also, from a quick Seek search for 'Graduate Engineering' some specify a Bachelors in Engineering (not sure how flexible they'd be?), while others just say 'Tertiary qualifications' in Engineering, so not sure exactly what to make of that, but it looks like having a BEng would be safest...

2) Again, I won't repeat the great advice given above, but I'd also point out that instead of doing a BSci/BBMed (majoring in an engineering discipline) -> MEng, you can still do an undergrad degree in other areas (commerce in my case), and gain entry to the MEng with the completion of two relevant science subjects and two maths subjects (Lin Algebra + Calc 2). This should take 6 years, as opposed to a 5 years double degree at Monash. Also, I'd point out that you can potentially go into other areas outside of engineering with an engineering degree. For example, banks and other financial institutions hire eng grads for their quantitative skills (E.g. Suncorp, Commbank)

Sorry for the long post (This is obviously something I'm still trying to figure out for myself having changed my mind about my career aspirations two years into a degree), but hopefully it will be of some use. Good luck!
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