October 23, 2019, 03:08:10 am

### AuthorTopic: University of New South Wales - Question!  (Read 1617 times) Tweet Share

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

#### geminii

• Victorian
• Posts: 787
• Do or do not, there is no try.
• Respect: +39
##### University of New South Wales - Question!
« on: March 09, 2017, 10:32:05 pm »
0
Hi everyone,

I'm doing VCE in Victoria at the moment but I'm thinking I might want to study at UNSW. I have a few questions that I hoped someone could help me with!

1. For Aeronautical Engineering, the ADFA (Australian Defence Force Australia) handbook says:
Assumed Subject Knowledge
• English
• Mathematics
• Physics
• Chemistry is desirable, but not essential
I don't do physics and have never done physics. Could I still do this course if I managed to teach myself the knowledge??

2. I know fitness training is required at the ADFA. However if I were to become an engineer there rather than an actual cadet, would I still be required to pass fitness tests and participate in fitness training, or is that only for people who are actually training to go into combat?

3. I know that if you join the ADFA, you don't have to pay HECS and you also receive a salary while you are training at ADFA and studying a degree at UNSW. Does that mean that it costs nothing to join the ADFA??

Thanks SO much everyone!!!
« Last Edit: March 09, 2017, 10:57:38 pm by jamonwindeyer »
"If you win silver, sooner or later, you will be forgotten. If you win gold, you will be an example, and examples are given, not forgotten."
- Dangal

2016-17 (VCE): Biology, HHD, English, Methods, Specialist, Chemistry
2018-22: Bachelor of Mechanical Engineering (Honours) / Bachelor of Biomedical Science @ Monash Uni

2019 MEC2404 | ENG2005 | BMS1042 | BMS1062

#### jamonwindeyer

• Great Wonder of ATAR Notes
• Posts: 10127
• Electrical Engineer by day, AN Enthusiast by Night
• Respect: +3032
##### Re: University of New South Wales - Question!
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2017, 10:40:09 pm »
0
Hey hey!! So I don't know much about Aeronautical specifically (so not sure how much knowledge they'd assume) but it doesn't matter. Absolutely you can still do the course! buy yourself a textbook and do some self study over the summer. From what Rui and Jake say, most of the useful stuff is actually studied in Year 11 for us (sort of like Units 1/2 for you) there might even be a bridging course offered! My girlfriend did one for her degree at USYD

But yeah, you can definitely do it!

If you haven't already, use this handbook entry to get a feel for the amount of Chemistry you'll see - It lists the courses you'll study!

Welcome to the NSW Dark Side

#### geminii

• Victorian
• Posts: 787
• Do or do not, there is no try.
• Respect: +39
##### Re: University of New South Wales - Question!
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2017, 10:41:58 pm »
0
Hey hey!! So I don't know much about Aeronautical specifically (so not sure how much knowledge they'd assume) but it doesn't matter. Absolutely you can still do the course! buy yourself a textbook and do some self study over the summer. From what Rui and Jake say, most of the useful stuff is actually studied in Year 11 for us (sort of like Units 1/2 for you)

But yeah, you can definitely do it!

If you haven't already, use this handbook entry to get a feel for the amount of Chemistry you'll see - It lists the courses you'll study!

Welcome to the NSW Dark Side

Haha thanks jamon!

I think this Chem SAC I have next week is really getting into my head now... I meant to write I have never done physics! As they didn't write 'not essential' next to that, would I still be able to do it?

Thanks again!
"If you win silver, sooner or later, you will be forgotten. If you win gold, you will be an example, and examples are given, not forgotten."
- Dangal

2016-17 (VCE): Biology, HHD, English, Methods, Specialist, Chemistry
2018-22: Bachelor of Mechanical Engineering (Honours) / Bachelor of Biomedical Science @ Monash Uni

2019 MEC2404 | ENG2005 | BMS1042 | BMS1062

#### jamonwindeyer

• Great Wonder of ATAR Notes
• Posts: 10127
• Electrical Engineer by day, AN Enthusiast by Night
• Respect: +3032
##### Re: University of New South Wales - Question!
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2017, 10:50:54 pm »
0
Haha thanks jamon!

I think this Chem SAC I have next week is really getting into my head now... I meant to write I have never done physics! As they didn't write 'not essential' next to that, would I still be able to do it?

Thanks again!

Ohhh haha right!

If it is Physics, I'm even more confident you'll be fine. HSC Physics is actually being modified right now because it is practically useless in actually prepping people for tertiary study of Physics. You'll be totally cool to catch yourself up. Most of it is completely irrelevant for Physics 1A and 1B in your program, which is really why they want you to have studied it

Hell, come see me the week before you start your degree - I'll teach you what you need in a couple of hours

Anyways, definitely no stress, you'll definitely have no problems

#### geminii

• Victorian
• Posts: 787
• Do or do not, there is no try.
• Respect: +39
##### Re: University of New South Wales - Question!
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2017, 10:52:46 pm »
0
Ohhh haha right!

If it is Physics, I'm even more confident you'll be fine. HSC Physics is actually being modified right now because it is practically useless in actually prepping people for tertiary study of Physics. You'll be totally cool to catch yourself up. Most of it is completely irrelevant for Physics 1A and 1B in your program, which is really why they want you to have studied it

Hell, come see me the week before you start your degree - I'll teach you what you need in a couple of hours

Anyways, definitely no stress, you'll definitely have no problems

Awesome, thanks so much Jamon! Definitely feeling better about it now
"If you win silver, sooner or later, you will be forgotten. If you win gold, you will be an example, and examples are given, not forgotten."
- Dangal

2016-17 (VCE): Biology, HHD, English, Methods, Specialist, Chemistry
2018-22: Bachelor of Mechanical Engineering (Honours) / Bachelor of Biomedical Science @ Monash Uni

2019 MEC2404 | ENG2005 | BMS1042 | BMS1062

#### jamonwindeyer

• Great Wonder of ATAR Notes
• Posts: 10127
• Electrical Engineer by day, AN Enthusiast by Night
• Respect: +3032
##### Re: University of New South Wales - Question!
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2017, 10:55:38 pm »
0
Awesome, thanks so much Jamon! Definitely feeling better about it now

No worries! Great to hear

Note: Merged duplicate topics

« Last Edit: March 09, 2017, 10:59:00 pm by jamonwindeyer »

#### Calebark

• biscuits of disappointment
• National Moderator
• ATAR Notes Superstar
• Posts: 2424
• Respect: +2385
##### Re: University of New South Wales - Question!
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2017, 01:45:15 am »
0
2. I know fitness training is required at the ADFA. However if I were to become an engineer there rather than an actual cadet, would I still be required to pass fitness tests and participate in fitness training, or is that only for people who are actually training to go into combat?

You'll still have to undergo fitness training, no matter what occupation or course, albeit not to the extent as combat roles. This is for health, emergency, and (arguably most importantly for your role) discipline. If in the Air Force or Navy, you'll be required to pass a fitness test once a year, and to pass it twice a year for Army.

3. I know that if you join the ADFA, you don't have to pay HECS and you also receive a salary while you are training at ADFA and studying a degree at UNSW. Does that mean that it costs nothing to join the ADFA??

Well, I believe it'll cost no money, but it will cost between 5 to 14.5 years of your life (not saying that's bad!).
A turtle has flippers and a tortoise has clubs

A Tortoise's Guide to Moving Out and Independent Living

#### Drewballs

• Trailblazer
• Posts: 42
• Respect: +2
##### Re: University of New South Wales - Question!
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2017, 12:46:02 pm »
+4
Hey so in regards to the ADFA stuff, I have a bit of information.
There at two different pathways if you wish to study at [email protected]
1. As an officer cadet or 2. as a civilian
If you wish to study as an officer cadet, you need to first apply for an Aeronautical Engineering role in the Navy, Army or Airforce. If you wish to work on helicopters, go navy and army, but anything fixed wing AirForce is the way to go.
Now for the officer path, getting the required ATAR of 85 is the easiest part. ADFA is not a university, it is a military college to train the future leaders of the ADF. As part of the recruitment process, you will take numerous aptitude tests, undertake interviews, medical tests, fitness tests and finally officer selection boards to determine if you have the leadership potential and physical ability to join the armed forces. If you are accepted after all this process, you will receive a letter of offer that is ATAR dependent, so if you recieve the required ATAR you will be starting at ADFA in 2018.
There is a few things to remember and consider with this pathway.
1. Going to ADFA is not going to uni, it is a full time job as an officer in the ADF where you happen to get a degree
2. You will graduate with no HECS debt, and receive a $50000+ salary while you are there, increasing once you graduate 3. You will have to go into the bush, learn to fire a weapon, complete fitness activities daily, wake up at 6am every day, even though you are an engineer. This is because the ADF has an operational readiness capability, this means that even though this is unlikely, if you are in some foreign country, and your base comes under attack and you are outnumbered, you will be expected to take up arms and defend the base. 4. When you sign your letter of offer, you will agree to an Initial Minimum Period of Service, 7 years for an engineer, which begins at the end of your 2nd year at ADFA, meaning if you join in 2018 you won't be able to quit until the end of 2026. This is because they pay for everything for you, textbooks, medical, dental, plus Hecs and a massive salary, they don't want you to quit the day you finish at ADFA. So it will cost nothing to join adfa, infact you will make money, however you will have to pay it back through service. 5. By being accepted into ADFA as an engineer, you have GUARANTEED job as an engineer when you graduate, which is obviously fantastic, however, at what base you are posted to is due to service requirements, so if you want to work at a base in Victoria, but one in the NT needs engineers, you will 100% be moving to the NT. That said, you will be moving often around Australia, so consider the strain it can have on your family 6. You will be deployed overseas. Currently there are around 750 Air force members in the Middle East conducting air strikes against ISIS, many of them engineers to keep the jets running. These deployments last for approx 9 months, however, you will be in no danger as the group in based in a "undisclosed friendly arab country" and only the fighter pilots will be in a direct combat situation. 7. While at ADFA you will also have to undertake millitary classes, such a drill, leadership, navigation ect, so you will not be doing uni work the whole time 8. Leave: You get leave on most weekends, however the only extended leave is around christmas and easter, so you will go home twice a year. There is many more things to consider with this path, however these are the main things to think about! Now the civilian pathway is very different, but much simpler ADFA is a military academy, with a small UNSW campus on it, so you can study there as a civilian. You will not be required to do any military, fitness or other training. You will not get paid, you will pay hecs, you will not get free medical and dental or any other allowances, and you have no role in the ADF. You are in the same situation as a student studying engineering at the UNSW sydney campus. However, the ATAR for civilians is 91, compared to the 85 for officer cadets. So essentially you are a uni student, nothing more. This went on longer then I expected, but if you have any other questions feel free to PM me! #### geminii • Victorian • Forum Leader • Posts: 787 • Do or do not, there is no try. • Respect: +39 ##### Re: University of New South Wales - Question! « Reply #8 on: April 22, 2017, 12:50:12 pm » 0 Hey so in regards to the ADFA stuff, I have a bit of information. There at two different pathways if you wish to study at [email protected] 1. As an officer cadet or 2. as a civilian If you wish to study as an officer cadet, you need to first apply for an Aeronautical Engineering role in the Navy, Army or Airforce. If you wish to work on helicopters, go navy and army, but anything fixed wing AirForce is the way to go. Now for the officer path, getting the required ATAR of 85 is the easiest part. ADFA is not a university, it is a military college to train the future leaders of the ADF. As part of the recruitment process, you will take numerous aptitude tests, undertake interviews, medical tests, fitness tests and finally officer selection boards to determine if you have the leadership potential and physical ability to join the armed forces. If you are accepted after all this process, you will receive a letter of offer that is ATAR dependent, so if you recieve the required ATAR you will be starting at ADFA in 2018. There is a few things to remember and consider with this pathway. 1. Going to ADFA is not going to uni, it is a full time job as an officer in the ADF where you happen to get a degree 2. You will graduate with no HECS debt, and receive a$50000+ salary while you are there, increasing once you graduate
3. You will have to go into the bush, learn to fire a weapon, complete fitness activities daily, wake up at 6am every day, even though you are an engineer. This is because the ADF has an operational readiness capability, this means that even though this is unlikely, if you are in some foreign country, and your base comes under attack and you are outnumbered, you will be expected to take up arms and defend the base.
4. When you sign your letter of offer, you will agree to an Initial Minimum Period of Service, 7 years for an engineer, which begins at the end of your 2nd year at ADFA, meaning if you join in 2018 you won't be able to quit until the end of 2026. This is because they pay for everything for you, textbooks, medical, dental, plus Hecs and a massive salary, they don't want you to quit the day you finish at ADFA. So it will cost nothing to join adfa, infact you will make money, however you will have to pay it back through service.
5. By being accepted into ADFA as an engineer, you have GUARANTEED job as an engineer when you graduate, which is obviously fantastic, however, at what base you are posted to is due to service requirements, so if you want to work at a base in Victoria, but one in the NT needs engineers, you will 100% be moving to the NT. That said, you will be moving often around Australia, so consider the strain it can have on your family
6. You will be deployed overseas. Currently there are around 750 Air force members in the Middle East conducting air strikes against ISIS, many of them engineers to keep the jets running. These deployments last for approx 9 months, however, you will be in no danger as the group in based in a "undisclosed friendly arab country" and only the fighter pilots will be in a direct combat situation.
7. While at ADFA you will also have to undertake millitary classes, such a drill, leadership, navigation ect, so you will not be doing uni work the whole time
8. Leave: You get leave on most weekends, however the only extended leave is around christmas and easter, so you will go home twice a year.
There is many more things to consider with this path, however these are the main things to think about!
Now the civilian pathway is very different, but much simpler
ADFA is a military academy, with a small UNSW campus on it, so you can study there as a civilian. You will not be required to do any military, fitness or other training. You will not get paid, you will pay hecs, you will not get free medical and dental or any other allowances, and you have no role in the ADF. You are in the same situation as a student studying engineering at the UNSW sydney campus. However, the ATAR for civilians is 91, compared to the 85 for officer cadets. So essentially you are a uni student, nothing more.
This went on longer then I expected, but if you have any other questions feel free to PM me!

WOW thank you so much, this made a lot of sense Drewballs! Love the in depth explanation, it really helps!!!
"If you win silver, sooner or later, you will be forgotten. If you win gold, you will be an example, and examples are given, not forgotten."
- Dangal

2016-17 (VCE): Biology, HHD, English, Methods, Specialist, Chemistry
2018-22: Bachelor of Mechanical Engineering (Honours) / Bachelor of Biomedical Science @ Monash Uni

2019 MEC2404 | ENG2005 | BMS1042 | BMS1062

#### peterpiper

• Forum Obsessive
• Posts: 286
• ~Resident queer~ give me ur feels
• Respect: +255
##### Re: University of New South Wales - Question!
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2017, 02:22:57 pm »
0
Also, from what I've heard, ADFA application process is pretty long, and it's usually advised that you apply early around Yr 11. That said, you can always just ring them up and ask them, if you have any questions. I'm sure they'd be happy to help you.
2017: VCE COMPLETED

"It cast a spare glow precisely where part of me would have preferred the dark. Shame trailed instant intimacy."