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October 30, 2020, 03:26:10 am

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #4665 on: October 11, 2020, 06:42:46 pm »
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Hey guys,
Just wondering for Mod B whether NESA would specify what poems to talk about for T.S Elliot or whether we can just discuss whatever poems we want.

Thanks in Advance

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #4666 on: October 11, 2020, 07:15:17 pm »
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Hey guys,
Just wondering for Mod B whether NESA would specify what poems to talk about for T.S Elliot or whether we can just discuss whatever poems we want.

Thanks in Advance

I know for the Common Module, NESA may specify the poem. I'm not too sure for Module B but my guess would be yes; always be prepared!
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #4667 on: October 11, 2020, 08:01:38 pm »
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I know for the Common Module, NESA may specify the poem. I'm not too sure for Module B but my guess would be yes; always be prepared!
Thanks for the response, I'm pretty sure its too late to do anymore paragraphs so I gotta work on praying :'(

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #4668 on: October 11, 2020, 08:09:35 pm »
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Thanks for the response, I'm pretty sure its too late to do anymore paragraphs so I gotta work on praying :'(

It's never too late! We still have a bit over a week until English!
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #4669 on: October 12, 2020, 01:11:58 pm »
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Hey guys,
Just wondering for Mod B whether NESA would specify what poems to talk about for T.S Elliot or whether we can just discuss whatever poems we want.

Thanks in Advance

Hey, gopy!

Just to add on to what alice343 has raised, I actually responded to another user a while back on why NESA has a history of specifying a poem for Module B. I've linked it here for you to have a read through  :) I am full agreement with alice343 though that you still have time to ensure that you have sufficient textual evidence to work with in the event you get specified a poem that isn't one of your stronger ones. Hopefully this is helpful and keep up the hard work!

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #4670 on: October 12, 2020, 06:11:37 pm »
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Hello!!

I have a question about introductions...
So we've been taught that our intro should be at least 1/2 page to 3/4 page long. We've also been told to have a two-part thesis statement: 1st part being a strongly worded statement that states your point of view/stance on the question or topic, 2nd part being a "sub-thesis" which elaborates on your thesis and defines key aspects or concepts within the question.

Are we meant to include an introduction to the prescribed text, text type, author etc within this thesis statement and elaboration?
If so, what is LEFT for us to say in this introduction? How are we meant to have a solid detailed introduction without going too much into each of our points we will make in the body?

Basically, what are the key things to include in an intro paragraph other than what is covered by the thesis statement?

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #4671 on: October 12, 2020, 11:43:44 pm »
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Hello!!

I have a question about introductions...
So we've been taught that our intro should be at least 1/2 page to 3/4 page long. We've also been told to have a two-part thesis statement: 1st part being a strongly worded statement that states your point of view/stance on the question or topic, 2nd part being a "sub-thesis" which elaborates on your thesis and defines key aspects or concepts within the question.

Are we meant to include an introduction to the prescribed text, text type, author etc within this thesis statement and elaboration?
If so, what is LEFT for us to say in this introduction? How are we meant to have a solid detailed introduction without going too much into each of our points we will make in the body?

Basically, what are the key things to include in an intro paragraph other than what is covered by the thesis statement?

Hey, Mariam2002!

Welcome to the forums  ;D Firstly, don't fret if you write less than what they've recommended to you for the introduction. I think that defining an introduction based on the length of it isn't wise because, as a surface reason, everyone has different handwriting sizes and, on a deeper level, it's always more about quality than quantity when it comes to English. It's not so much how long the introduction is but rather whether you cover all the essential points you need to in order to create a solid platform for your essay to build upon.

I also am a two-part thesis advocate because it allows you to firmly establish your judgement which will be the foundation for the rest of your essay. I think that you shouldn't introduce the prescribed text until the third sentence of the introduction because it makes more sense to me that you would raise how your text will be explored to assist you in justifying your judgement on the question and signpost your key arguments (i.e your themes) at the same time. I like for the last sentence of an introduction to highlight what exactly the purpose of the text is and how it impacts audiences that engage with it. This can really nail what your overarching goal for the essay will be without introducing any material from your actual arguments. Here's a sample introduction that I wrote for Billy Elliot which I used in the English Standard Revision lecture which might help illustrate my structure better!

Sample Introduction
To what extent does the exploration of human experience in Billy Elliot invite you to reconsider your understanding of commitment?

Motivations and behaviours, which are innately complex, can greatly impact the nature of an individual’s adherence to their beliefs, values and attitudes. Through representing these anomalies, paradoxes and inconsistencies, composers can enable us to reconsider our understanding on commitment. This notion is explored in Stephen Daldry’s film Billy Elliot (2000), whereby ideas surrounding commitment are thematically explored through the challenges that arise from passion, stereotypes and acceptance. Examining the character motivations and behaviours of the film can, in turn, encourage us to similarly reflect on how we perceive and understand commitment.

As just a separate note, the two things you shouldn't be having in your introduction are techniques (because you'll be using them later in the analysis UNLESS the question specifically asks you to evaluate how a language form or feature such as mise-en-scene or characterisation has been constructed within the text) and the words "Hence", "Therefore", "Thus" etc. (because you haven't actually proven anything yet so these connectives don't hold any meaning). Hope that helps!

Angelina  ;D
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #4672 on: October 18, 2020, 08:57:10 pm »
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Hi!

I was just wondering obviously this has been answered for module B but I am studying John Donne's Holy Sonnet's for Module A. I was wondering if there is a high likelihood that a specific poem may be asked for this module?

Thank you!

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #4673 on: October 18, 2020, 11:16:38 pm »
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Hi!

I was just wondering obviously this has been answered for module B but I am studying John Donne's Holy Sonnet's for Module A. I was wondering if there is a high likelihood that a specific poem may be asked for this module?

Thank you!

Hey, ghtoghto!

I highly doubt they will specify a poem in Module A because you already have to work with a second text as part of your study (in your case, W;t) and it would just be too much of a yikes move to do that. The closest thing I've seen in the past for Module A to being specified a text is where they have provided a short extract from a specific part of a poem and asked you to explore the ideas raised within it in relation to the composer's oeuvre and the appropriation (which meant that you didn't have to necessarily use that poem but it was recommended that you made some reference to it in the response as part of your judgement, arguments and evaluation). It would be worth having maybe three quotes for each of the other poems you don't plan on using in the crazy event that you might get asked one; I believe it's always better safe than sorry. Otherwise, I wouldn't worry too much about preparing paragraphs or having extensive analysis on it, especially at this stage in the HSC  :)

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #4674 on: October 20, 2020, 07:46:42 pm »
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Hi! I'm a bit confused, for our module A (I'm doing R3 AND LFR) and Module B (TS ELIOT) essays, should we use critics quotes or stick to using quotes from the texts? Do markers have a special preference or does it show a more sophisticated understanding? I would really appreciate some insight on this, I'm getting super worried for tomorrow!!! Thanks!
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #4675 on: October 20, 2020, 09:19:01 pm »
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Hi! I'm a bit confused, for our module A (I'm doing R3 AND LFR) and Module B (TS ELIOT) essays, should we use critics quotes or stick to using quotes from the texts? Do markers have a special preference or does it show a more sophisticated understanding? I would really appreciate some insight on this, I'm getting super worried for tomorrow!!! Thanks!

Hey, HS26!

I've replied to your post in the other topic you made separately here  :)

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #4676 on: October 20, 2020, 09:30:16 pm »
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Thank you so much! I really appreciate it
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