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Re: {SAC RANKINGS} -All you need to know about it-
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2015, 08:56:57 pm »
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If you have a cohort of, say, 5 people, is it possible to still get the highest SS amongst the students in your cohort if you're ranked last? Assuming you ace the exam and they don't.

To answer your question, in a small cohort, anything is possible. If the cohort is really strong, being ranked last isn’t the end of the world (I guess VCE isn’t the end the world either), and there is a possibility of everyone getting 40+. I’ve came across small cohorts (not as small as 5 people but about 15-24), where about 80% of the students got 40+, medians in low to mid 40s, the lowest scoring student achieving high 30s and as well 3 premiers awards. I actually think is an advantage if the top ranked students are topping the exams.

On another note, I don’t think you should be concerned about whether ‘the other students don’t ace the exams’ or ‘getting the highest SS as a result”, because you can’t control how other people perform in the exams, all you can do from now until the exams is do your best in the remaining SACS (hopefully raising your ranking in the process) and the exam. The reality is that a higher ranking student is more likely to get a higher score in the score in the exam relative to the rest of the cohort. At the end of the day in a regards to exams, it doesn't really matter how well you do relative to the cohort, but rather the state. In small cohorts, the lowest ranked student may not get the highest SS in their group, but could still obtain a very high SS in comparison to the state, if the cohort is strong. As mention before, the top ranked students killing the exams is more of an advantage than a disadvantage for the rest of the cohort.

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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2015, 05:37:40 pm »
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I have a question

Since study scores are composed of 3 GAs. Let's say you bombed out on your unit 3 sacs.
So you are ranked last or even ranked in the middle. Then you smashed unit 4 sacs and smashed the exam.
I have heard you need all A pluses for all GAs to scrape a 40 in a subject so if you have already stuffed up your unit 3 sacs, then does that mean no matter how well the exam and your unit 4 sacs go. You will not get a 40 plus?
Like,since one GA is below an A plus, no matter wheat you do you can't get above a 40 as your unit 3 sacs are just too low.

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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2015, 06:43:59 pm »
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I have a question

Since study scores are composed of 3 GAs. Let's say you bombed out on your unit 3 sacs.
So you are ranked last or even ranked in the middle. Then you smashed unit 4 sacs and smashed the exam.
I have heard you need all A pluses for all GAs to scrape a 40 in a subject so if you have already stuffed up your unit 3 sacs, then does that mean no matter how well the exam and your unit 4 sacs go. You will not get a 40 plus?
Like,since one GA is below an A plus, no matter wheat you do you can't get above a 40 as your unit 3 sacs are just too low.

I got a B+ for unit 3 bio and got raw 40+.

I felt the same as you, like the dream was over. But aim to kill the exam and do as best you can for your remaining SACs and you will get a good score.

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« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2015, 07:21:58 am »
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Can someone please explains what happens if two students have the same sac marks: are they considered equal rank one when submitted to VCAA? Or does another factor contribute towards who is considered 'rank one'?

Thanks so much :)

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Re: {SAC RANKINGS} -All you need to know about it-
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2015, 08:57:30 pm »
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They are both considered equal rank one when submitted to VCAA. A teacher cannot use a non-SAC test or practice exam to alter results and thus change ranks of students in a given cohort.
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« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2015, 08:52:10 am »
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They are both considered equal rank one when submitted to VCAA. A teacher cannot use a non-SAC test or practice exam to alter results and thus change ranks of students in a given cohort.

Haha in fact they can, it happens all the time. Technically you're not supposed to, but students aren't allowed to 'really' know their rank so they can't complain.


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« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2015, 03:45:41 pm »
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Hey Hamo,

Brilliant post about SAC rankings. I have a question though.

Lets say at MHS, we have a methods cohort of ~300. If hypothetically I am ranked average or a bit above average (~90-110) in the SACs we have done so far, if i manage to push my SAC ranking upwards, reaching ~60-70 by the end of the year, is it possible to get a 45+, considering I do really well in the exam. Or is the rank to low to achieve such a score?

Thanks :)
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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2015, 04:12:53 pm »
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Hey Hamo,

Brilliant post about SAC rankings. I have a question though.

Lets say at MHS, we have a methods cohort of ~300. If hypothetically I am ranked average or a bit above average (~90-110) in the SACs we have done so far, if i manage to push my SAC ranking upwards, reaching ~60-70 by the end of the year, is it possible to get a 45+, considering I do really well in the exam. Or is the rank to low to achieve such a score?

Thanks :)

MHS is arguably the 'best' school to do methods in VIC given how well the SACs scale.
From what I know, the top 20-25 get a scaled 100/100, and top 50 get a scaled score of 95+
If you're able to hit 60-70 with an ace exam, then yes you'd be able to get scores in the realms of 48/49, maybe even 50.

All the best!

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« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2015, 02:55:21 pm »
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Hi Hamo,

Does the VCAA use SAC rankings based on each student's performance throughout the whole year, or each unit separately? (Specifically for Psychology)
I.e. - does each student get one ranking for Unit 3 and another for Unit 4, or one based on Unit 3 and 4 combined?

Thanks!
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Re: {SAC RANKINGS} -All you need to know about it-
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2015, 03:05:43 pm »
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I remember when I did VCE, some teachers and a few students were looking into how SACs compare with exams in terms of influence on study score.

I don't think that SACs actually matter too much and your exam performance is the by far the biggest influence on your study score. There's a lot of ways to rig numbers to make them say what you want them to say.

For example, say that you have 50% SACs and 50% exam but the SAC mark median was 97/100 and the exam median was 80/100.

Say you have 5 good students, after SACs, the ranking of these is:

Student 1  -Best
Student 2
Student 3
Student 4
Student 5 -Worst

Now exam performance is reversed.

Student 5: 90/100
Student 4: 85/100
..
Student 1: 70/100

Student 1 ends up with 100% for SACS + 70/100
Student 5 ends up with 95% for SACS + 90/100

Thus, student 5 smashes student 1.

From memory, something similar to this was happening, essentially everyone smashed the SACs after they were adjusted, exams then spread everyone out.

Similar to the Tour de France if you're not great at maths, on the flat stages, there's basically no difference between the first and tenth rider, so you could win all the flat stages and not be very much ahead. In the mountains though, the difference between the first and tenth could be 20 minutes, huge.

Moral of the story is, focus on the exams, they are far more important.

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« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2015, 05:00:39 pm »
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I remember when I did VCE, some teachers and a few students were looking into how SACs compare with exams in terms of influence on study score.

I don't think that SACs actually matter too much and your exam performance is the by far the biggest influence on your study score. There's a lot of ways to rig numbers to make them say what you want them to say.

For example, say that you have 50% SACs and 50% exam but the SAC mark median was 97/100 and the exam median was 80/100.

Say you have 5 good students, after SACs, the ranking of these is:

Student 1  -Best
Student 2
Student 3
Student 4
Student 5 -Worst

Now exam performance is reversed.

Student 5: 90/100
Student 4: 85/100
..
Student 1: 70/100

Student 1 ends up with 100% for SACS + 70/100
Student 5 ends up with 95% for SACS + 90/100

Thus, student 5 smashes student 1.

From memory, something similar to this was happening, essentially everyone smashed the SACs after they were adjusted, exams then spread everyone out.

Similar to the Tour de France if you're not great at maths, on the flat stages, there's basically no difference between the first and tenth rider, so you could win all the flat stages and not be very much ahead. In the mountains though, the difference between the first and tenth could be 20 minutes, huge.

Moral of the story is, focus on the exams, they are far more important.

I strongly beg to differ.

Exams are important, sure, but so are SACs, especially in languages where they are weighted 50/50.

I've experienced this first hand, where 1 rank (so 1 spot difference in terms of rankings) meant a study score difference of 2-3. I've also experienced a case where 7 ranks meant a study score difference of 8 (the exact same exam score resulted in discrepancy from 47 to 38, a delightful, extraordinary score to a respectable one). It was very feasible for me to get a study score 2-3 higher than what I would've for my language if I was a rank higher. Sure, there were specific circumstances that made it happen, but to think that exams are 'far more important' is significantly misleading. The only scenarios where it's applicable is probably Mathematics oriented subjects where the weighting is 33/67, and even then after a certain ranking you miss out on the chance of receiving a 49/50 even if you full mark the exam.

I believe that you genuinely think you're right and that's fine, we were all naive in this VCE road once, just felt that it's necessary to correct you :)

Tl;dr do not listen to inish above
exams are important but so are SACs

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« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2015, 05:59:10 pm »
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I strongly beg to differ.

Exams are important, sure, but so are SACs, especially in languages where they are weighted 50/50.

I've experienced this first hand, where 1 rank (so 1 spot difference in terms of rankings) meant a study score difference of 2-3. I've also experienced a case where 7 ranks meant a study score difference of 8 (the exact same exam score resulted in discrepancy from 47 to 38, a delightful, extraordinary score to a respectable one). It was very feasible for me to get a study score 2-3 higher than what I would've for my language if I was a rank higher. Sure, there were specific circumstances that made it happen, but to think that exams are 'far more important' is significantly misleading. The only scenarios where it's applicable is probably Mathematics oriented subjects where the weighting is 33/67, and even then after a certain ranking you miss out on the chance of receiving a 49/50 even if you full mark the exam.

I believe that you genuinely think you're right and that's fine, we were all naive in this VCE road once, just felt that it's necessary to correct you :)

Tl;dr do not listen to inish above
exams are important but so are SACs
Omg :o

does this mean if you're not rank 1 in LOTE and your cohort isn't that strong you're screwed? :'(
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Re: {SAC RANKINGS} -All you need to know about it-
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2015, 06:16:27 pm »
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I strongly beg to differ.

Exams are important, sure, but so are SACs, especially in languages where they are weighted 50/50.

I've experienced this first hand, where 1 rank (so 1 spot difference in terms of rankings) meant a study score difference of 2-3. I've also experienced a case where 7 ranks meant a study score difference of 8 (the exact same exam score resulted in discrepancy from 47 to 38, a delightful, extraordinary score to a respectable one). It was very feasible for me to get a study score 2-3 higher than what I would've for my language if I was a rank higher. Sure, there were specific circumstances that made it happen, but to think that exams are 'far more important' is significantly misleading. The only scenarios where it's applicable is probably Mathematics oriented subjects where the weighting is 33/67, and even then after a certain ranking you miss out on the chance of receiving a 49/50 even if you full mark the exam.

I believe that you genuinely think you're right and that's fine, we were all naive in this VCE road once, just felt that it's necessary to correct you :)

Tl;dr do not listen to inish above
exams are important but so are SACs

Noob question...what do u mean by 'weighting of 33/67'?
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« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2015, 06:29:10 pm »
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Noob question...what do u mean by 'weighting of 33/67'?
33.3% SACs and 66.7% Exam weighting for Maths (which is split to 22% and 44% essentially for Exam 1&2).

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« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2015, 07:02:29 pm »
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33.3% SACs and 66.7% Exam weighting for Maths (which is split to 22% and 44% essentially for Exam 1&2).

thanks man
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