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Re: {SAC RANKINGS} -All you need to know about it-
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2015, 07:54:06 pm »
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Wait I though GA1 was unit 3 GA2 was Unit 4 and GA3 was the exam?

Also do the predicted grades that teachers send to VCAA affect your study score?

Predicted grades do not affect your Study Score. They're there just in case you get something significantly lower than your predicted score.

Quick question how to they discern between ranks if the ranks are really close together? Eg rank one is 100, rank two is 99 then rank 3-9999 is like 30-80 ( just hypothetically speaking).

Your ranking is all they use to base their scaling, your actual score is pretty arbitrary and just there really for the sake of writing it on your Statement of Marks.

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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2015, 07:06:29 pm »
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Just to clarify, the overall SAC rankings are given to VCAA, not each indivdual SAC ranking?

So if on one of my SAC's I got a bad mark/rank, but managed to do extremely well on the rest of the SAC's and be rank one overall, I can still achieve a study score of 50 (given I ace the exams)?

Thanks! :)

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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2015, 07:13:28 pm »
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Just to clarify, the overall SAC rankings are given to VCAA, not each indivdual SAC ranking?

So if on one of my SAC's I got a bad mark/rank, but managed to do extremely well on the rest of the SAC's and be rank one overall, I can still achieve a study score of 50 (given I ace the exams)?

Thanks! :)

Your school gives VCAA your actual SAC rank and marks as well. (It can be seen on your Statement of Study Score).
However, this is irrelevant, because VCAA doesn't purely modify your SAC based on your mark, they modify it according to ranking. So in other words, if you get a 50% SAC mark and are rank one, that can be scaled up to 100 and get a 50.
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2015, 10:44:18 pm »
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Amazing post Hamo94! Really does clear up the controversies associated with ranking and SS.

I have a doubt, is it possible in a competitive cohort (selective) to average B+ for both GA1&2 and an A for the exam to get a 40? Although there are many more sacs to go, I was just wondering if it's still possible in such a cohort with those marks :)
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2015, 10:06:04 am »
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Amazing post Hamo94! Really does clear up the controversies associated with ranking and SS.

I have a doubt, is it possible in a competitive cohort (selective) to average B+ for both GA1&2 and an A for the exam to get a 40? Although there are many more sacs to go, I was just wondering if it's still possible in such a cohort with those marks :)

Assuming you've read the post and the mathematics, i'm still not quite sure which scenario you're referring to, but:

1) Averaging B+ but Rank 1, meaning getting an exam with a high A (SACs scaled to A+, since it's a selective school). High A+ Sacs with high A exam will most likely get you over the 40 mark.

2) Averaging B+ in terms of end scaled SAC equivalent. That coupled with a high A in a subject like English will get you more around the scores of a 33-35 range, in Maths probably 35-37

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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2015, 05:14:16 pm »
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What would happen if I were to rank in the top 3 in a below average cohort for English and score low A+ for SAC's and exams, can I get a 40?
Likewise, how much can my SAC's mark get dragged down in a below average cohort where I sit in the top tier of high performing students in my year level?

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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2015, 05:20:09 pm »
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What would happen if I were to rank in the top 3 in a below average cohort for English and score low A+ for SAC's and exams, can I get a 40?
Likewise, how much can my SAC's mark get dragged down in a below average cohort where I sit in the top tier of high performing students in my year level?

Again, the best info you can possibly get right now is what the SAC marks scaled to (from a Year 12 in 2014, let's say) and go from there.

Hypothetically:
Scaled A+ for U3 and U4, so let's say 90/100. A low A+ for your exam will lean you closer to a 39 but very possibly a 40/41.
Your SAC marks will only get dragged down if the people above you underperform and there's no one below you who overperform.

Tl;dr the higher the overperformer:underperformer ratio is in your year, the better it is for you.

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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2015, 10:44:19 pm »
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Even though you said if you're rank 1 that's all that matters; what happens if you're equal rank one? What happens then?
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2015, 10:53:47 pm »
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Even though you said if you're rank 1 that's all that matters; what happens if you're equal rank one? What happens then?
they have to give it as a ranking, so I think they just call it on who they think is more likely to do well in the exam (by judgement or by class tests or something like that)  and then just submit them as rank 1
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2015, 06:41:41 am »
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they have to give it as a ranking, so I think they just call it on who they think is more likely to do well in the exam (by judgement or by class tests or something like that)  and then just submit them as rank 1

Really? So if two people say ended up with 98/100 or something, they'd use their opinion to send Vcaa the scores, and also the ranking (e.g. like
Student A: 98/100 rank 1
Student B: 98/100 rank 2

In this case is the rank 1 person still affected by rank 2's performance? or vice versa?
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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2015, 09:47:20 am »
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Really? So if two people say ended up with 98/100 or something, they'd use their opinion to send Vcaa the scores, and also the ranking (e.g. like
Student A: 98/100 rank 1
Student B: 98/100 rank 2

In this case is the rank 1 person still affected by rank 2's performance? or vice versa?
No, lol, they just put Student A, Student B with the same score and therefore, the same rank.
This is what happened in Chinese last year, so very small sample space, but i'm assuming they generalise this for everything.

I'm sure in most cases, the SACs will split students so there's not more than 2-3 people on the same rank, otherwise it does become much of an issue if 10% of the cohort is on the same rank haha

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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2015, 10:00:43 am »
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No, lol, they just put Student A, Student B with the same score and therefore, the same rank.
This is what happened in Chinese last year, so very small sample space, but i'm assuming they generalise this for everything.

I'm sure in most cases, the SACs will split students so there's not more than 2-3 people on the same rank, otherwise it does become much of an issue if 10% of the cohort is on the same rank haha

Ah I see so what happened for chinese if the two of three people on equal rank one got different exam scores? Does the average of the top two exam marks become both their sac scores after moderation? Or do they both get the highest exam mark as their sac mark?
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Re: {SAC RANKINGS} -All you need to know about it-
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2015, 11:32:08 am »
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Again, the best info you can possibly get right now is what the SAC marks scaled to (from a Year 12 in 2014, let's say) and go from there.

Hypothetically:
Scaled A+ for U3 and U4, so let's say 90/100. A low A+ for your exam will lean you closer to a 39 but very possibly a 40/41.
Your SAC marks will only get dragged down if the people above you underperform and there's no one below you who overperform.

Tl;dr the higher the overperformer:underperformer ratio is in your year, the better it is for you.
Abit off topic but, if you really get those scores for English are you only in the range of a 39-41 SS?

That's demoralising..

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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2015, 05:10:48 pm »
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Ah I see so what happened for chinese if the two of three people on equal rank one got different exam scores? Does the average of the top two exam marks become both their sac scores after moderation? Or do they both get the highest exam mark as their sac mark?

Basically, I was equal 3 with someone else and we received the same scaled SAC score so yes, you get the same SAC mark.
They'd both receive the highest exam mark. Although note that some schools may write your ranking differently, a.k.a you could both get 98 but they'd pencil you down as 1 and 2 instead of 1 and 1.

Abit off topic but, if you really get those scores for English are you only in the range of a 39-41 SS?

That's demoralising..

48/60 for the exam (low A+) + scaled 90/100 would get you 39-41.
Note that it's a scaled 90/100, so depending on how good your school is, that could be either rank 1, or rank 30-40 (at mine).
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2015, 07:25:38 pm »
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If you have a cohort of, say, 5 people, is it possible to still get the highest SS amongst the students in your cohort if you're ranked last? Assuming you ace the exam and they don't.
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