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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #2475 on: May 05, 2019, 12:08:18 pm »
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Can anybody help me understand what on earth the contention of this cartoon is?? I'm not sure where it sits and what it's trying to do/show?
https://www.inkcinct.com.au/web-pages/cartoons/2019/2019-159P--Paleo-restaurant-vegan-protest,-cave-man---AUSTRALIA-8th-April.png
(it's in relation to the vegan protests in melb - the other two articles are pro-veganism but only one of them is critical of their methods)
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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #2476 on: May 05, 2019, 12:20:27 pm »
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Hey. For discuss questions, I know you're not meant to completely agree nor disagree with the topic, but does that mean you always have to discuss why it is true/untrue to an extent? Or can you just explore the prompt itself and indirectly agree with it?
For example, in EvangelionZeta's A Farewell To Arms text response, they do not talk about whether the prompt is true or false to an extent, but rather explore the prompt itself (and sort of indirectly agree with it).

Also for most of the sample essay examples in the english resources thread, they do not mention metalanguage or the author's intent which I've been told is important. Is it just because they're like 10 years old or is it not required to incorporate those kinds of things in text responses?

My English teacher has told me that when a discuss question is asked, most of the time they want you to fully agree with the statement. However, if the statement given is outrageously wrong, you can almost create your own contention that disagrees with the statement provided and go on to write an essay fully disagreeing with the topic
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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #2477 on: May 05, 2019, 12:25:23 pm »
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Can anybody help me understand what on earth the contention of this cartoon is?? I'm not sure where it sits and what it's trying to do/show?
https://www.inkcinct.com.au/web-pages/cartoons/2019/2019-159P--Paleo-restaurant-vegan-protest,-cave-man---AUSTRALIA-8th-April.png
(it's in relation to the vegan protests in melb - the other two articles are pro-veganism but only one of them is critical of their methods)
Thanks!

I’m assuming this is for language analysis. To me it seems like this article is attacking both sides by saying people that are anti-veganism are living in the past (hence the caveman). But you could also argue it to be attack vegan protesters and the way they go about protesting inside peoples restaunts or something like that. It would be easier to analyse this with the context of the article and where it sits within the article.
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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #2478 on: May 08, 2019, 02:48:52 pm »
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Which of the three examinable areas of study (comparative, text response/analytical and argument analysis) is the most difficult piece to write? Which one requires the most work? (Obviously I know there won't be an objective answer to this given the fundamental subjectivity of English itself)
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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #2479 on: May 11, 2019, 08:09:53 pm »
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Hey, I was wondering if anyone could help me with how to write and possibly ACE a language analysis? I would like to know, in what ways I could improve on language analysis and how to write it well enough to get high marks. Also, I have an English tutor that tells me to write a language analysis one way and my teacher at school tells me to do it differently, what should I do? Thankyou

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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #2480 on: May 13, 2019, 11:07:49 am »
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This seems really tough that you seem to be getting conflicting advice.  I think you should have another  look at your previous language analysis writing and your teacher's assessment comments.  What do they say is the weakness in your writing?  This will give your tutor something to focus on too.  You can always go back to your teacher and have a session with them so they can give you more advice about possible improvements.   Otherwise I'd suggest lots of practice analysis pieces - there are lots to choose from here on the Language Analysis Club bit, or you can look for your own examples (short ones like letters to the editor can be found on the sites of online newspapers).     

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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #2481 on: May 14, 2019, 07:18:11 pm »
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Hey, I was wondering if anyone could help me with how to write and possibly ACE a language analysis? I would like to know, in what ways I could improve on language analysis and how to write it well enough to get high marks. Also, I have an English tutor that tells me to write a language analysis one way and my teacher at school tells me to do it differently, what should I do? Thankyou

My main advice for Language Analysis is to follow the WHAT-HOW-WHY process of analysis!
What is the author doing (identify the persuasive technique, quote her)
How does this position the audience to feel?
Why does the author want the audience to feel this way (what part of the contention is being pushed?

Another top tip is to be SPECIFIC with your discussion! Pick a quote and discuss what THAT quote is doing- not just all rhetorical questions in general!
Good luck!

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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #2482 on: June 12, 2019, 11:26:22 pm »
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hi i just want to get some sort of explicit confirmation as to whether what my teacher expects in an la essay is true
basically if you are two or more texts, you have to focus on comparing the texts ie comparative analysis so he completely opposes blocking and wants integration structure. He used the 2016 vcaa report where there was an example of students offering 'astute insights' through comparison. Even though he references this he ignores the fact that there is no 'explicit expectation' to do this.
The criteria for our sac emphasised on how we compared the two texts given and I used block so I'm definitely not getting the mark i want.
the way he insists on his view makes me think i've been approaching la wrong but i doubt it since the task is to analyse langauge not compare.
Could I get some clarification on this for the end of year exam please? Is it okay to use blocking since its the most convenient for two or more articles?
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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #2483 on: June 13, 2019, 12:24:18 am »
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hi i just want to get some sort of explicit confirmation as to whether what my teacher expects in an la essay is true
basically if you are two or more texts, you have to focus on comparing the texts ie comparative analysis so he completely opposes blocking and wants integration structure. He used the 2016 vcaa report where there was an example of students offering 'astute insights' through comparison. Even though he references this he ignores the fact that there is no 'explicit expectation' to do this.
The criteria for our sac emphasised on how we compared the two texts given and I used block so I'm definitely not getting the mark i want.
the way he insists on his view makes me think i've been approaching la wrong but i doubt it since the task is to analyse langauge not compare.
Could I get some clarification on this for the end of year exam please? Is it okay to use blocking since its the most convenient for two or more articles?
Thanks

This is just my opinion of course, but i think the integrated style works more effectively when there are two or more things to discuss. The opportunity for comparison is looking at how the authors have similar/different contentions, or the way they attempt to persuade, even compare their different audiences.
By comparing these features you show a better understanding of how they are both attempting to persuade. I think an integrated approach allows for side by side contrast which helps with this. A block approach can be effective but is less sophisticated (usually) than the integrated.

However, usually it's just one 'main' article and one or more smaller segments (comment or cartoon, ect) which means you mostly focus on one piece anyway. Points of comparison would be when you analyse a sub topic of the issue at hand that is addressed by both pieces.
Personally I break my paragraphs down by points of discussion (sub-arguments/topics) then analyse the langauge used to convey those points by the authors, and the subsequent effect.
Overall, to appease your teacher I'd stick with what he wants, but on the exam I'd expect them to be less fussed.
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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #2484 on: June 27, 2019, 05:33:56 pm »
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can someone explain whether this is for or against pill testing

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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #2485 on: June 28, 2019, 09:01:24 pm »
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I was wondering if I passed all my outcomes for Unit 1 English but fail the exam, am I at risk of failing the unit?

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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #2486 on: June 28, 2019, 09:17:23 pm »
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can someone explain whether this is for or against pill testing

When examining a comic like this, try to imagine yourself as one of the characters. In this case, the (presumed) parents. What are you meant to feel looking at your child's corpse? Well, you're meant to feel despondent -- you're sad. Obviously, you don't want to be sad, so try and think of a way, relating to the context of the comic, that would've prevented you feeling this way. For this image, it'd having your child live. If they knew the pill was dangerous beforehand, perhaps they wouldn't have taken it, and they'd still be alive.

The comic is for pill testing, and is saying that without pill testing, the only way to know is by taking it, which could be fatal,

I was wondering if I passed all my outcomes for Unit 1 English but fail the exam, am I at risk of failing the unit?

I believe that as Unit 1 and 2 are purely internal (that is, not set by VCAA), then it's at your school's discretion. The way to go would be to an English teacher how it works at your school :)
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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #2487 on: June 29, 2019, 08:26:19 pm »
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Yesterday I got told that I had failed english this semester - as in, legitimately failed, so I'm getting an 'N' for unit 1. I averaged around 30% in my outcomes, and while I haven't gotten the results for our midyear exams back I won't be surprised if I failed that as well.

I'm really stressing out because I'm honestly doing anything I can think of but I've not seen any improvement at all. I've been doing wider reading and getting extra resources and reading over essays from way more talented students, even getting a tutor, but my score just isn't going up. I honestly feel like I might fail VCE, considering you must pass both 1/2 and 3/4 english, and it's not looking good for me atm.

Would really love some advice on how to effective study for this subject and see improvement. Also, how fked would I be if I also failed unit 2? Would I be not allowed to continue up to year 12?

any advice is appreciated!!
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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #2488 on: June 29, 2019, 09:44:03 pm »
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Yesterday I got told that I had failed english this semester - as in, legitimately failed, so I'm getting an 'N' for unit 1. I averaged around 30% in my outcomes, and while I haven't gotten the results for our midyear exams back I won't be surprised if I failed that as well.

I'm really stressing out because I'm honestly doing anything I can think of but I've not seen any improvement at all. I've been doing wider reading and getting extra resources and reading over essays from way more talented students, even getting a tutor, but my score just isn't going up. I honestly feel like I might fail VCE, considering you must pass both 1/2 and 3/4 english, and it's not looking good for me atm.

Would really love some advice on how to effective study for this subject and see improvement. Also, how fked would I be if I also failed unit 2? Would I be not allowed to continue up to year 12?

any advice is appreciated!!
Hey,
From what I've heard you can repeat the SAC until you attain a pass mark (but your original is the one that's weighed). I can't say for others but I find breaking down prompts, maybe with fellow classmates or your teacher will help as it will show you what you need to derive from it. I also find practising essays invaluable as it teaches you what you do know and don't; and it helps improve your expression and fluency. Another thing is to know your texts, so read them thoroughly and underline quotes or whatever is needed for you to get a good understanding of it. I suggest for Unit 3/4 to do this pre-emptively during the Summer holidays if you can.
I think if you are failing then speak to your teacher and do whatever you can to get a passing mark, I'm pretty sure you'll be fine.
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