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Re: What happens if you do 'badly' in uni?
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2013, 11:27:27 pm »
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Well I was performing so badly in the beginning of first semester..I managed to recover from that with 60% average...now I've lost my discipline again..maybe just laziness...there is no one forcing you to study...but you end up with forcing yourself..
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Re: What happens if you do 'badly' in uni?
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2013, 11:42:36 pm »
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At uni, if you pass, you pass. There's a saying, "P's get degrees", however, there is the addendum "... but HDs get jobs".

If you have any intention of going into higher study (honours, masters, phd), you'll need a strong average, usually a distinction or high distinction WAM and a high GPA. Given that these are based on your unit marks, you'll need to do well to make yourself mor employable and competitive in your chosen field.

Failing sometimes has immediate consequences as well as protracted ones. If you fail a unit, sometimes you will need to retake that unit, as it may be a prerequisite for other units. Even if it isn't, you may not be allowed to progress in a course without having passed said unit. Furthermore, if you fail a unit multiple times (I think it's more than twice) you will be brought up before an academic review board to explain. This board has the power to remove you from your course if they deem it necessary.

It's also a lot more fun and challenging to learn at uni, because its all on you. There isn't any of the high-school spoonfeeding at uni, where you have to do your own research and learn a lot under your own guidance.
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Re: What happens if you do 'badly' in uni?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2013, 12:00:30 am »
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alondouek put it very well. To reiterate, you can fail, you can fail as many times as you want (even though the university may send you letters warning to kick you out if you continue to fail, they won't go through it unless it's an extreme case). What's the point though? You might as well go get a job and earn some money rather than wasting time at uni lol

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Re: What happens if you do 'badly' in uni?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2013, 12:15:45 am »
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At the end of the day, you get quite a massive break from the end of year 12 to the beginning of university, plenty of time to catch up on tv shows and whatever else you want to do. I think that working hard first year provides a good foundation for subsequent years, and I assume in engineering you would be learning the basics for the more advanced subjects to come- so as you can see, it may not be a case of "working harder" during 2nd/ 3rd/ 4th year but actually self-teaching yourself the material you did not look over in first year. You may also change your mind about engineering and decide on a major/ graduate pathway that considers first year marks.

In addition, my brother who has a bachelor of engineering, failed one of his first year subjects and he had to repeat it in order to continue with other engineering subjects, so you don't want that! (Extra fees).
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Re: What happens if you do 'badly' in uni?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2013, 12:29:40 am »
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SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU WANT IS A GAP YEAR.
If you slack off to have fun, you'll regret it.  If you're SERIOUS about HAVING FUN (what a paradox) then I'd recommend just taking six months to a year off.
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Re: What happens if you do 'badly' in uni?
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2013, 12:54:09 am »
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Yeah the main thing I'm asking is if there are any long term 'effects' if I simply do nothing at all during my first year next year and just get 40s/50s?
Then I'll begin trying in my second and third year to get the Masters of Engineering.

I just want to relax next year, enjoy my first year being 18, start working again, drive around, go out, play some PS3/4 (haven't played PlayStation since year 10 lol), catch up on TV shows (up to end of season 1 of Breaking Bad lol, plenty more shows I want to watch), start going to gym again, etc...
I just don't want to be doing any study at home, just for one year, then I'll try from afterwards.

Take a gap year! As much as I enjoy uni (a lot, for the record), it would have been nice to have had a year off. Maybe you can convince your parents to let you go on a travel program (where you probably will have time to watch Breaking Bad, go to gym etc... but overseas :P )
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Re: What happens if you do 'badly' in uni?
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2013, 01:01:23 am »
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After 13 years of schooling I'm pretty much over everything study related; having to constantly be forced to a routine, those long hours of studying, stressing over tests/exams, etc.

So I'd like to have a break but I don't want to take a gap year, because that's just a waste of a year of your life plus my parents would never allow me to take one.

I've decided that when I go to university next year (aiming for bachelor of science at Melbourne Uni... Not to sound arrogant or anything but I'm pretty sure I'll be getting in considering how much studying I've been doing this year + my current scores) I'm simply going to do minimal/no work at all.

I know as a fact that you have to pass in order to 'move on', but what exactly happens if I simply scrape through with low 50%'s throughout my first year?
I'm aiming for a masters in engineering, but that's not until after my third year, so the first year shouldn't matter much right?
Also, what exactly happens if you fail a subject? Are there any long term implications?

Thank you in advance.

You get about 3-4 months between the end of year 12 and the start of university, so it's not as if you don't get a rest. But if you really insist that a 3-4 month holiday is inadequate, then I'd recommend that you defer your course and take a gap year.

Don't start university until you're ready to study hard. Even if you do pass, you won't retain the information as well when you go into 2nd and 3rd year compared to if you'd taken your education seriously right from the start.
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Re: What happens if you do 'badly' in uni?
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2013, 01:40:38 am »
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take a gap year - travel, work, live your life before you get stuck back into the daily grind of what is statistically most likely to be a life of mediocrity.

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What happens if you do 'badly' in uni?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2013, 05:58:03 am »
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You sure do start some odd threads.

Taking a gap year is a 'waste of a year of your life'?
Man, take a gap year, or alternatively, apply for uni anyway, and see how you feel at the end of the 4 month break. Defer if you aren't ready. But 4 months is a long time to play PS3 and you'll likely be over it by then.

I WISH I had taken a gap year and as I've gotten older I am of the stronger belief that it should be encouraged far more than it is. Parents don't get it though and this makes it hard.

Everyone has already expressed exactly the right things so I won't repeat too much.
Doing badly in first year doesn't count 'as much' because they don't count it when seeing if you qualify for the Masters of Engineering.

However there are other consequences.

If you do *nothing*, you will more than likely fail. Uni is hard. You can't do nothing and still pass, like in school. If you fail, then you really have wasted a year, and a lot of money to boot.
Secondly, if you get 50%s, that means you've essentially only learned half of the material in the subject. Especially in Engjneering, subjects have strong 'follow on' aspects. If you have gaps in your knowledge that big, you will struggle to ever ever get on top of it again.

Let me reiterate. An Engineering major is hard.  For anyone, it takes at least some commitment to get by, even in first year. You might be able to pass Calculus 1 just by attending lectures but you have little/no chance in Linear Algebra and Calculus 2 if you don't spend many hours working on the problem sets. Calculus 2 has a 60% fail rate since they changed the assessment.

I think your perspective on Uni needs to shift before you embark on that next part of your life. 4 months might be enough before Uni starts in March or maybe you need a whole year.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2013, 06:01:01 am »
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Yeah the main thing I'm asking is if there are any long term 'effects' if I simply do nothing at all during my first year next year and just get 40s/50s?

Also for the record, I'm pretty sure 40s is a fail.
At least a lot of people who get 45s have to repeat the subject so yeah.
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Re: What happens if you do 'badly' in uni?
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2013, 07:37:06 am »
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Unfortunately you'll realise that things don't get better at uni...Everything counts for more, you have to study even more consistently, and even getting 80+ can be challenging. Lots of people slack off in first year and regret it in the later years. Like, if a Biomed student got 50 in first year bio...think about how much trouble they'll have in anatomy, micro, biochem etc in second year. Most subjects at uni provide foundations for the next one you'll do. Once you fall behind at uni it's very difficult to catch up, it's like battling an avalanche.

So why would you make more work for yourself in later years? If you're paying $700 for each subject make it worth it
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Re: What happens if you do 'badly' in uni?
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2013, 09:47:09 am »
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After 13 years of schooling I'm pretty much over everything study related; having to constantly be forced to a routine, those long hours of studying, stressing over tests.

Like some of the others have said:
1. The routine isn't as strict generally. You can still have lots of room to specifically manage the course the way that you prefer. You'll be in the mood if you can do it at your own style and pace etc.
2. You have a massive holidays ahead to really chill it out, probably the most relaxed holiday you'll get for a long, long time. Because it's post-VCE, most are in the mood to relax.
3. First year should be about getting used to things, the lifestyle, studying habits and in general getting the fundamentals.
4. The stuff can be interesting as well. If you're going to take a course at least try to enjoy it. If you do that then you'll probably find it less of a drag.
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Re: What happens if you do 'badly' in uni?
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2013, 09:55:05 am »
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After 13 years of schooling I'm pretty much over everything study related; having to constantly be forced to a routine, those long hours of studying, stressing over tests/exams, etc.

So I'd like to have a break but I don't want to take a gap year, because that's just a waste of a year of your life

Um, I hate it when this is done badly and condescendingly, so I'm going to try to NOT do it like that, sorry... but I really just want to say that I think you're thinking about that the wrong way :(

The only thing that's a waste of your life is doing something that brings you no pleasure and brings the world no benefit. Everything else is just LIFE. And you never get even a day of it back.

When people say that taking time out, or switching careers/degrees, or dating someone just casually, etc, is 'wasting' their life, I kind of want to ask when "life" will *start*? Where are you going? And if years of your life aren't about actually enjoying living, if they're just a journey to somewhere better or proper or real... well, when and where does all that 'proper' stuff start?
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Re: What happens if you do 'badly' in uni?
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