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Title: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: VCE_2012 on June 02, 2011, 10:24:22 pm
Have anyone of you guys used a ball frixion erasable pen on your English exam. Or most importantly is it allowed? If yes are there any risks on record?
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: Tobias Funke on June 03, 2011, 12:10:04 am
they're new pens

they are erasable

if water is poured on them, the ink dissapears

why wouldnt it be allowed?
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: jinny1 on June 04, 2011, 09:34:38 am
cuz people i know especially in MHS, use this pen to rub out stuff they get wrong in a SAC after and tell the teacher that they've marked it wrong
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: REBORN on June 04, 2011, 10:16:41 am
cuz people i know especially in MHS, use this pen to rub out stuff they get wrong in a SAC after and tell the teacher that they've marked it wrong
Disgusting - I wouldn't expect that of MHS gentlemen.
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: Charmz on June 04, 2011, 01:07:11 pm
cuz people i know especially in MHS, use this pen to rub out stuff they get wrong in a SAC after and tell the teacher that they've marked it wrong
That's so unfair! :O
Though I wouldn't use one, I hate them.
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: hollowedcrowns on June 08, 2011, 06:41:20 pm
I'd like to know this too... I've been using them in my English sacs >_>
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: jinny1 on June 08, 2011, 07:25:06 pm
what are they useful for other than cheating??
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: Tobias Funke on June 09, 2011, 12:12:47 am
all my uses are for things other than cheating? maybe my mind isn't that petty and mischievous
 - use pen, but still able to rub shit out
thats it, heh
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: jinny1 on June 09, 2011, 09:17:41 am
oh i havnt thought of that....

i shud get this pen, i use pen for maths and sometimes it gets really messy if i stuff up a question and have to rule it out


Does seem a little risky though, if along the way your VCAA exam if placed in a hot room/somehow exposed to sunlight then all your work disappears!
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: pi on June 09, 2011, 04:28:00 pm
cuz people i know especially in MHS, use this pen to rub out stuff they get wrong in a SAC after and tell the teacher that they've marked it wrong

Must be the commerce guys...  ::)
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: Charmz on June 09, 2011, 06:15:35 pm
oh i havnt thought of that....

i shud get this pen, i use pen for maths and sometimes it gets really messy if i stuff up a question and have to rule it out


Does seem a little risky though, if along the way your VCAA exam if placed in a hot room/somehow exposed to sunlight then all your work disappears!
And if its left in a cool room, all the erasing will reappear and you won't be able to distinguish what is being said.
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: Zafaraaaa on June 09, 2011, 06:47:50 pm
I don't like the way those pens write lool, Like the ink quality was compromised to make it erasable :/
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: Charmz on June 09, 2011, 07:06:10 pm
yeah it looks like and writes like its got water added in it. Its so faint.
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: 24lover on June 16, 2011, 09:31:26 am
you should probably avoid it - as jinny said, your work might disappear (under some odd circumstances lol). It's not like you can see your exam and erase anything after you get your study score anyway...so why risk the chance of having a pen that can rub out if the examiner was drinking water while marking your exam?
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: Charmz on June 16, 2011, 12:27:51 pm
^ or Coffee for that matter.
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: pi on June 23, 2011, 05:36:08 pm
But if someone's work disappeared because of them (the instructions on the cover were followed, it is still a pen), wouldn't they have to assume full marks for that particular essay?


Awesome.
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: 24lover on June 23, 2011, 09:31:42 pm
lol. but no, they'd focus on what they already read and if it was crap then they're not going to give you 10/10. then they'll probably go look at your GAT and since no one tries to do well in the GAT - you wouldn't be looking at a good score.
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: REBORN on June 23, 2011, 09:44:58 pm
That's ridiculous!

I'm pretty sure VCAA knows everyone treats the GAT like a joke and know that it's not indicative of anything.

If it is VCAA's fault they erase a piece they can't use other pieces to derive a score - simply because there is a reason why you have three different essays...you may be best at context, worst at LA. What if your context piece gets rubbed out which would have got 10/10 but your LA got 6/10...are you telling me the 'rubbed out' context gets 6/10? If so...what a piece of shit system.
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: taqi on June 23, 2011, 09:51:10 pm
lol i just searched up this pen and on the website (http://www.pilotpen.com.au/page.aspx?A=6982) it says:

Caution

    * Do not use the Frixion products when signing legal documents or cheques or for exams and other important writing.

the pen maker doesnt want you to use it in the exam, if that means anything
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: nacho on June 23, 2011, 10:00:46 pm
That's ridiculous!

I'm pretty sure VCAA knows everyone treats the GAT like a joke and know that it's not indicative of anything.

If it is VCAA's fault they erase a piece they can't use other pieces to derive a score - simply because there is a reason why you have three different essays...you may be best at context, worst at LA. What if your context piece gets rubbed out which would have got 10/10 but your LA got 6/10...are you telling me the 'rubbed out' context gets 6/10? If so...what a piece of shit system.
Well... how is it the VCAA's fault if students don't take the GAT seriously.
VCAA Says: "The GAT is used to give you a derived score, so take it seriously"
Student says: "LOL i'm gonna bum the gat and write about rebecca black because im a rebel"

Does there really need to be debate about erasable pens?
Surely no one here is that confident in their abilities, that now they only have to worry about the pen they use.
If the pen has a chance of rubbing out from heat, then do not use it
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: REBORN on June 23, 2011, 10:10:12 pm
aha nar I agree of course - why on earth would you use a 'risky' pen?
just saying that it's unfair on the student because technically it is still a pen (quote Rohitpi) and you don't expect your essay to be exposed to 'excess' heat such that the essay disappears.
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: nacho on June 23, 2011, 10:14:51 pm
aha nar I agree of course - why on earth would you use a 'risky' pen?
just saying that it's unfair on the student because technically it is still a pen (quote Rohitpi) and you don't expect your essay to be exposed to 'excess' heat such that the essay disappears.
I know what you are saying, but if VCAA did it your way (the nice way)
people would exploit it
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: 24lover on June 24, 2011, 09:48:08 am
That's ridiculous!

I'm pretty sure VCAA knows everyone treats the GAT like a joke and know that it's not indicative of anything.

If it is VCAA's fault they erase a piece they can't use other pieces to derive a score - simply because there is a reason why you have three different essays...you may be best at context, worst at LA. What if your context piece gets rubbed out which would have got 10/10 but your LA got 6/10...are you telling me the 'rubbed out' context gets 6/10? If so...what a piece of shit system.

it's not ridiculous at all. like nacho said, VCAA takes it seriously, they don't care if you treat it like nothing. the GAT is important for school ranking (how do you think they're able to ensure that all SACs are marked the same? the 1 test that all students do in all schools is the GAT) and also if you have something horrible happen at the end of the year and you can't perform as well as you should. they don't make you do the GAT for no reason, it's just that teachers don't really emphasise it enough.
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: REBORN on June 24, 2011, 09:58:02 am
Um I'm not talking about DES due to a student's illness or inability to perform well - I'm talking about VCAA being the one who makes the error by losing a student's piece....

Frankly idc because no one is going to use an erasable pen but if it did happened it's unfair to utilise the GAT for an error made by VCAA and students expect their work to be marked and that's why they don't care about the GAT.
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: Russ on June 24, 2011, 10:13:13 am
It is perfectly fair to utilize the GAT in that situation. If the VCAA loses your essay then it's unfair on the other 44,000 students for you to get full marks. You are clearly told what to do on the GAT and it doesn't involve leaving after 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: 24lover on June 24, 2011, 12:20:10 pm
I'm pretty sure VCAA knows everyone treats the GAT like a joke and know that it's not indicative of anything.

Um I'm not talking about DES due to a student's illness or inability to perform well - I'm talking about VCAA being the one who makes the error by losing a student's piece....


Ummm...Well i was pointing out the reasons why VCAA will not take into consideration your lack of interest in the GAT because 'you treat it like a joke'. Apart from your SACs, the GAT is the only backup you have as proof as to what kind of student you are.

Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: thatricksta on June 28, 2011, 10:37:04 pm
I thought exams were photocopied... who cares if it fades when an examiner ruins it.

Also, why bother? You would spent too much time rubbing out... cross it out and move on =/


PS.
The gat is a joke... what a waste of my time.
I am good at Chemistry, Physics and Maths, not writing about wolves in 30 minutes...
I can study material and produce feedback, I can't talk shit for 30 minutes about a topic that goes nowhere... Come to think about it, I don't feel English as a whole serves any purpose anyway... /rage
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: pi on June 29, 2011, 07:09:53 pm
I thought exams were photocopied... who cares if it fades when an examiner ruins it.

Only in some subjects. Pretty sure English isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Are these kinds of pens wise to use in The English Exams
Post by: paulsterio on August 16, 2011, 05:02:06 pm
How is the GAT indicative of one's ability in a particular subject area? I got like 30's in Science/Tech on last year's GAT and got a 48 Study Score in Software Development...LOL!