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Title: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on August 09, 2019, 02:52:49 pm
Hello guys
Vce is doing all 3 math a good idea? (General, methods and specialist), I would also do Chemistry, English and Business management


Please give me some advices because I don't want to get into a world of difficulty later on.


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Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: ashmi on August 09, 2019, 04:39:22 pm
Hello guys
Vce is doing all 3 math a good idea? (General, methods and specialist), I would also do Chemistry, English and Business management


Please give me some advices because I don't want to get into a world of difficulty later on.


Mod edit: merged double post

When you do 3 types of Maths, do keep in mind only the top 2 highest scoring ones will count. The lowest one will automatically become a 10%! If you are keen and interested in maths, this might be a good option. Methods and Specialist go together pretty well, however, there are some good overlaps too with General/Further and Specialist surprisingly! The big question is can you deal with the massive maths overload? It might be physically and mentally draining to do all 3, especially if you plan to do all 3 in Year 12. If you have already done General Maths Unit 1 & 2, I would recommend doing methods and specialist too! (Just my personal preference). Not many people will do this unless they have completed a unit 3/4 in year 11. I have had a few friends that did Methods 3/4 early and only did Further 3/4 and Specialist 3/4 in year 12 which went pretty well!

Also consider prerequisites and ability. If you find maths to be your thing, I would recommend Methods and Specialist and if you find it too hard later you can always drop down to Further/ General ;D
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Joseph41 on August 09, 2019, 04:47:36 pm
You may also find this article of interest. The author, Luke, did all three maths at VCE level; he goes through some pros and cons. :)

How I Juggled Three Maths Subjects in Year 12
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on August 09, 2019, 05:22:14 pm
Thanks for all your reply, I would consider business management unit 3 and 4 in year 11, just to save myself some time in year 12. Although I want to do all 3 math in vce, sometimes I do find complexity to be the problem.
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on August 09, 2019, 05:24:27 pm
In terms of workload, can you tell me how much work will be involved in further, method and specialist?
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: ashmi on August 09, 2019, 06:11:58 pm
In terms of workload, can you tell me how much work will be involved in further, method and specialist?

In Further, the theory part is quite easy to understand compared to Methods and Specialist! Because of this, it's a lot quicker to get through exercises and still have time to study other subjects! Methods needs a bit more work than Further/general does to fully understand the concepts as most students struggle however, if you get the theory, putting it into practice won't take too long. Specialist is another step from Methods, however, to do Specialist, you must be taking Methods concurrently with it. If you do Specialist and Methods together, it really feels like doing 1.5 times the amount of work instead of it feeling like 2 different subjects. The Specialist work, however, can take a long time to understand if you have weak mathematical skills so I would stay clear if you feel like you can't cope. Know your boundaries! All three maths overlap really well with each other, some in more ways than others (you would be surprised how much of Specialist 1/2 there is in General 1/2 and same with Methods 1/2).

For your year 12 exams, there are 2 exams that must be completed for a maths subject. In Further maths for Exam 1 and Exam 2, you can bring a CAS and a bound reference, however for Methods and Specialist Exam 1, it is done without notes and a CAS and then Exam 2 with Cas and Bound Reference. If you plan to do Methods or/and Specialist, I highly recommend you get good at calculations done by hand! :D
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on August 09, 2019, 06:34:01 pm
Thank you for your advices and I will think hard about it.
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on August 09, 2019, 06:34:29 pm
But I know that I will 100% do methods at least. On top of that should I get a tutor if I do all 3 math?
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: ashmi on August 09, 2019, 06:58:33 pm
But I know that I will 100% do methods at least. On top of that should I get a tutor if I do all 3 math?

Depends on your situation, but I personally don't think you need a tutor for all three maths! Unless you are struggling with your subjects and/or your teachers are not too good, you won't need one. If you put the effort into these subjects and don't slack off, the rewards will come out later. Practise makes progress! If you are someone that dedicates their time effectively and gets help asap from a teacher when you don't understand something, then you shouldn't need one. I've never needed a tutor ever, but for Specialist be prepared to put some time and effort to fully understand what you are doing. Your teachers get paid to help and guide you, so get help as much as you can from them when you get stuck! It genuinely shows them that you want to do well and are willing to put the work in to get the scores you want. If you want extra resources to extend your learning ask them! I'm sure they will be more than happy to help out. :)
The aim is to work together as a team! This includes your cohort too, form study groups and help each other out! ;D
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on August 09, 2019, 10:39:09 pm
You are correct, I do want to do well. But people in my school mess around a lot and we have a weak math cohort, will that pull me down?
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Sine on August 09, 2019, 10:58:16 pm
You are correct, I do want to do well. But people in my school mess around a lot and we have a weak math cohort, will that pull me down?
Weak cohorts doesn't necessarily make it harder to do well or pull anyone down. If the cohort is weak it is much easier to get a high ranking in sacs which is very important.

Also please refrain from double posting on the ATAR Notes forum in the future :)
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on August 11, 2019, 12:16:32 am
Weak cohorts doesn't necessarily make it harder to do well or pull anyone down. If the cohort is weak it is much easier to get a high ranking in sacs which is very important.

Also please refrain from double posting on the ATAR Notes forum in the future :)
Thank you for your reply and I will try not to double post in future forums :)
My cohort is weak, but I heard that means sacs will get scaled down and thus pulling down study scores. However since its weak, it will be easier to do well in and that also creates a purpose. My school does bad in all subjects, we never do well for some reason. I don't know if it's the cohorts or the teachers.
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on September 02, 2019, 01:54:59 pm
Hello, I have made up my mind. IS 3 MATH WITH CHEM, ENGLISH AND A UNIT 3 AND 4 ALL IN YEAR 11 A GOOD IDEA??????
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: ashmi on September 02, 2019, 02:49:29 pm
Hello, I have made up my mind. IS 3 MATH WITH CHEM, ENGLISH AND A UNIT 3 AND 4 ALL IN YEAR 11 A GOOD IDEA??????

I personally think anything is a good idea, so long as you are happy with your subjects! ;D. I think its a great combo as it covers the prerequisites for many courses. The real question is, are you happy with your subject choices? (By the way what 3/4 are you doing?). The workload should be manageable and with the 3 maths, it sort of feels like you are studying 2/2.5 instead of 3 because some of them overlap really nicely. :D (Just remember that only the two highest maths will contribute to your primary 4, the last one will be a 10% subject)
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on September 03, 2019, 01:34:14 pm
I personally think anything is a good idea, so long as you are happy with your subjects! ;D. I think its a great combo as it covers the prerequisites for many courses. The real question is, are you happy with your subject choices? (By the way what 3/4 are you doing?). The workload should be manageable and with the 3 maths, it sort of feels like you are studying 2/2.5 instead of 3 because some of them overlap really nicely. :D (Just remember that only the two highest maths will contribute to your primary 4, the last one will be a 10% subject)
I was planning on an 'easy' unit 3 and 4 subject. Maybe Business management or something, I am very happy with my subjects. Except at the same time I am afraid of it.
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: caffinatedloz on September 03, 2019, 06:29:49 pm
Remember that no 3/4 will be easy, especially if you want to do well, but I like your combination of subjects, as long as you are doing them for the right reasons. If you really enjoy maths, then spec and methods actually complement each other nicely so you should really enjoy it!

Also, if you can handle spec, I don't think you will struggle with general/further. I'm a year ten student this year, and as a bonus, my teacher has got me working through general stuff "for fun". She wants me to do 3/4 next year, alongside methods and spec, and so far I have resisted. But yeah, general should be comparatively easy to grasp.
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on September 20, 2019, 08:56:33 am
Hey guys, can someone here tell me what would you do if you started struggling in 3 vce mathematics?
(Just in case I am one of those people, the truth is you never know how you would go)
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: aspiringantelope on September 20, 2019, 10:40:31 am
Hey guys, can someone here tell me what would you do if you started struggling in 3 vce mathematics?
(Just in case I am one of those people, the truth is you never know how you would go)
Tutoring?
Drop one?
I think dropping one would be the ideal choice because unless you are a mathematically gifted person, you would definitely find doing 3 VCE math subjects boring.
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on September 20, 2019, 12:08:18 pm
Tutoring?
Drop one?
I think dropping one would be the ideal choice because unless you are a mathematically gifted person, you would definitely find doing 3 VCE math subjects boring.
I love the subject and sometimes I do well on it, just not always. I also need math for engineering xD
Anyone here done all 3 math and can tell me their own personal experience? And please don't show me that Luke guy thing (Who juggled all 3 math) I seen it many times.
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: aspiringantelope on September 20, 2019, 12:54:18 pm
If you like the subject but struggle, try harder and study smarter.
There's probably a reason if you struggle.
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on September 20, 2019, 09:36:27 pm
If you like the subject but struggle, try harder and study smarter.
There's probably a reason if you struggle.
There sure is and yes I lack hard work sometimes. That is a problem that I am trying to fix before VCE starts. Cuz I don't want to drag everything out till the last minute.
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: caffinatedloz on September 21, 2019, 12:36:00 pm
There sure is and yes I lack hard work sometimes.
Like you said, definitely something you would benefit from fixing before VCE starts.
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on October 01, 2019, 01:09:10 pm
Like you said, definitely something you would benefit from fixing before VCE starts.
Correct.
Guys I heard only 2 math count? So that means I won't get a 10% from doing all 3?
Can someone who has done all 3 math confirm this
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Joseph41 on October 01, 2019, 01:20:55 pm
Correct.
Guys I heard only 2 math count? So that means I won't get a 10% from doing all 3?
Can someone who has done all 3 math confirm this

Only two can count in your "top four", but the third can contribute as a 10% increment. :) You can't have all three of Further, Methods and Spesh all contribute 100% to your ATAR.
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on October 01, 2019, 02:51:03 pm
Only two can count in your "top four", but the third can contribute as a 10% increment. :) You can't have all three of Further, Methods and Spesh all contribute 100% to your ATAR.
Thank you and does this rule apply to all other subjects?
Like Science, English etc or is this just a math thing
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: jkay__ on October 01, 2019, 02:56:14 pm
Thank you and does this rule apply to all other subjects?
Like Science, English etc or is this just a math thing

This also applies to English, but nothing else. You can have 2 English in top 4, and a third one in bottom 2.
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Joseph41 on October 01, 2019, 03:19:20 pm
Thank you and does this rule apply to all other subjects?
Like Science, English etc or is this just a math thing

You can learn more about things like this (they're called "study groupings") here:

https://www.vtac.edu.au/results-offers/atar-explained/study-groupings.html

There are some other restrictions - it's not just for maths and English subjects. :)
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on October 01, 2019, 04:53:20 pm
Thanks for the reply guys, That was so unfair tho.
Why no science?
-Seems like the maximum only 3 of can contribute to the final Atar.
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Remy33 on October 01, 2019, 04:53:49 pm
This also applies to English, but nothing else.
Nope. There’s actually a couple more it applies to. Check out Joseph’s link for the full range but just the top of my head some of the restrictions around subject groupings are:
- LOTEs
- History
- Visual and performing arts
And a bunch more.

Thanks for the reply guys, That was so unfair tho.
Why no science?
-Seems like the maximum only 3 of can contribute to the final Atar.
I don’t do science myself but I think it’s because the areas of science cover a lot wider range of topics than something niche like history or maths.
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on October 01, 2019, 09:15:31 pm
Nope. There’s actually a couple more it applies to. Check out Joseph’s link for the full range but just the top of my head some of the restrictions around subject groupings are:
- LOTEs
- History
- Visual and performing arts
And a bunch more.
I don’t do science myself but I think it’s because the areas of science cover a lot wider range of topics than something niche like history or maths.
I need to do science for a prerequisite. Engineering might require some knowledge of science. Speaking on science, does chemistry overlap with math?
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Lear on October 01, 2019, 09:31:18 pm
I need to do science for a prerequisite. Engineering might require some knowledge of science. Speaking on science, does chemistry overlap with math?

No. While you do of course do calculations and stuff, this is very basic level math. There's little to no overlap.
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on October 14, 2019, 01:28:01 pm
A lot of people at my school are suggesting that I don't do all 3 math, soooo should I aim for science instead? Does that help with my future aspiration of Engineering?
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Joseph41 on October 14, 2019, 01:34:19 pm
A lot of people at my school are suggesting that I don't do all 3 math, soooo should I aim for science instead? Does that help with my future aspiration of Engineering?

Why are they suggesting that?
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: Stormbreaker-X on October 14, 2019, 01:36:02 pm
Why are they suggesting that?
My grades in math has not been the greatest lately. I mean I did not do so well on my most recent test.
Title: Re: VCE ALL 3 MATH?
Post by: WAAAAAAAAAAAA on October 16, 2019, 11:00:38 am
If I were you I would still do it anyways, don't make the same mistakes that I made. Even if you do specialist and don't do well you will probably still end up getting a better study score then I did in my subjects. Besides specialist math is hard anyways so even if you fail, well a lot of people fail it too.