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Re: General Australian Politics Discussion
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2017, 03:11:49 pm »
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Two more potentially up for the chop:


Malcolm Roberts (ON) was probably a British citizen when he was elected. He had supposedly applied to have his citizenship revoked, but his request wasn't processed until five months after he was elected (ergo actually a citizen). He's said today that he never saw himself as British therefore he was never a citizen even if the British government thinks he was.

There's some concern brewing that Julia Banks (Lib, Chisholm [North East of Melbourne]) may have Greek citizenship and might be ineligible. She has denied having citizenship, but there is discussion about whether she might have been granted Greek citizenship automatically because her father was born there, despite she herself having been born in Australia.

Thus far, the loss of anyone caught up in this debacle has really provoked a change in the complexion of the parliament; however, the loss of Julia Banks would not force a recount of the election, but rather a byelection. This is potentially a problem for the government, as they only have a one seat majority and, unlike the others caught up thus far, Julia Banks sits in the lower house. Chisholm is a marginal seat that was held by Labor for nearly 20 years prior to the 2016 election, when Julia was elected.
Victoria is the safest Labor state and obviously home to Bill Shorten himself. Chisholm is one of the few seats in Victoria that Labor could potentially win in an election, so any byelection here would be extremely dangerous for the government.
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Re: General Australian Politics Discussion
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2017, 03:18:46 pm »
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Malcolm Roberts (ON) was probably a British citizen when he was elected. He had supposedly applied to have his citizenship revoked, but his request wasn't processed until five months after he was elected (ergo actually a citizen). He's said today that he never saw himself as British therefore he was never a citizen even if the British government thinks he was.

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Re: General Australian Politics Discussion
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2017, 03:23:04 pm »
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Malcolm Roberts thinks a lot of things...

There is a certain irony in the fact that a One Nation senator may lose his place in parliament for being a foreigner
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Re: General Australian Politics Discussion
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2017, 03:55:24 pm »
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Malcolm Roberts thinks a lot of things...
I am choosing to believe Malcolm Roberts was never elected.
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Re: General Australian Politics Discussion
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2017, 05:36:14 pm »
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Hey,

With all this dual citizenship controversy going on and possibly an early election, will this affect the government's aim to force NZ citizens and permanent residents to pay full fee uni places from 2018?

Does anyone know when the Senate will be deciding the outcome of this issue?

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Re: General Australian Politics Discussion
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2017, 06:08:13 pm »
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Hey,

With all this dual citizenship controversy going on and possibly an early election, will this affect the government's aim to force NZ citizens and permanent residents to pay full fee uni places from 2018?

Does anyone know when the Senate will be deciding the outcome of this issue?

Not sure if this would have a major impact specifically regarding uni fees for NZ and permanent residents. However if it does, it will probably be in favour of the LNP as both Greens senators are now gone who would be opposed to the changes so there will be less votes against when it goes to the Senate.

Parliament resumes on 8 August so the Senate basically can do nothing until then. So it will take at least few more weeks after that to resolve the issue.

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Re: General Australian Politics Discussion
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2017, 06:56:40 pm »
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Hey,

With all this dual citizenship controversy going on and possibly an early election, will this affect the government's aim to force NZ citizens and permanent residents to pay full fee uni places from 2018?

Does anyone know when the Senate will be deciding the outcome of this issue?

No. They're two separate issues.

Don't know, sorry!
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Re: General Australian Politics Discussion
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2017, 05:20:54 pm »
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Possible dumb question:

Is there a date where the senate term 'ends'? Not sure if that makes any sense but is there a set time interval where they need to discuss everything they have to? Couldn't find an exact date on the net.


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Re: General Australian Politics Discussion
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2017, 06:16:50 pm »
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Australian politics in a nutshell. .. Well the past 5 years anyway.
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Re: General Australian Politics Discussion
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2017, 09:08:53 pm »
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Possible dumb question:

Is there a date where the senate term 'ends'? Not sure if that makes any sense but is there a set time interval where they need to discuss everything they have to? Couldn't find an exact date on the net.



Not dumb at all, complicated stuff.

There is a term when the senate ends. That's when the government calls an election and the senate is "dissolved". During the course of the election the senate doesn't sit to make laws, because they're in the process of electing new senators.

This becomes a little more complicated though, because some senators in the current senate are serving three year terms (so they're elected to be there for three years), whereas others are there for six. So at the next election, only half of the senate is up for election, even though the rest doesn't sit during the time of the election :)
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Re: General Australian Politics Discussion
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2017, 03:42:03 pm »
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Huge news



NZ has confirmed that Barnaby Joyce is a citizen of NZ making him ineligible for parliament.



Supposedly the government's legal advice suggests that he would be able to stay on as a parliamentarian, but I think this is a really unlikely given the clarity of the constitution on this matter and the precedent that has been set by the High Court.

This is huge news because Barnaby Joyce is our deputy Prime Minister. He also happens to be a member of the lower house, where the government only has a one seat majority. His seat would likely go to a by-election, which may be difficult to win for the Nats if former independent Tony Windsor stood again. This could, very conceivably, lead to the toppling of the government.
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Re: General Australian Politics Discussion
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2017, 03:44:20 pm »
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Fuck me, this is getting absurd!

Very big news.

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Re: General Australian Politics Discussion
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2017, 03:59:24 pm »
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Supposedly the government's legal advice suggests that he would be able to stay on as a parliamentarian, but I think this is a really unlikely given the clarity of the constitution on this matter and the precedent that has been set by the High Court.
How would it be that he could stay on as a parliamentarian? Is this like some legal loophole or middle ground?

If the government loses its majority - do they have to try and form minority government, or do we go to an election?

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Re: General Australian Politics Discussion
« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2017, 04:17:20 pm »
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How would it be that he could stay on as a parliamentarian? Is this like some legal loophole or middle ground?

If the government loses its majority - do they have to try and form minority government, or do we go to an election?

In his case (and incidentally in Matt Canavan's) they think that they might be able to argue that they can't have taken reasonable steps to renounce a citizenship they didn't know they had. So effectively they're pleading ignorance, but in a more round about way. This shouldn't stand up in court (but I'm no expert).


One would imagine that they would probably receive support as a minority government but it wouldn't be a government that would last a particularly long time.
You may remember that early on in the piece they lost control in the house (Labor managed to succeed in passing a couple of procedural motions). They also won a number of votes by a one seat margin (e.g. banking royal commission, penalty rate changes). So in my view it would only be a matter of time before the government lost the confidence of the House and thus the Governor General would be obliged to call an election.


Just as a fun aside, people usually think that for a government to lose confidence, they have to have a motion of no confidence passed against them. However, according to House of Representatives practice, they merely have to lose a vote on the floor of the House (and thus they go).

Another fun aside. The Governor General once ignored a motion of no confidence in his government. In this case, the House voted against the Fraser government and for the opposition (led by Whitlam at the time). Rather than appointing Whitlam's government, the Governor General broke precedent and called an election instead.
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