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The big bang never happened
« on: April 10, 2011, 03:11:50 pm »
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Came across this website. Haven't had a chance to read it (I'm at work) but it looked interesting, or controversial at least ;)

http://bigbangneverhappened.org/index1.htm
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Re: The big bang never happened
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2011, 03:31:02 pm »
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There are reasonable criticisms of the big bang model but that website just looks like it's made out of a basement

Although it is interesting to note that when astrophysicists discover a (fundamental) problem with their hypothesis, instead of scrapping it they decide to invent an arbitrary reason that perfectly explains the problem

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Re: The big bang never happened
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2011, 10:48:11 pm »
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There are actually other competing theories besides the big bang out there - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_cosmology (saw it in a docco)

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Re: The big bang never happened
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2011, 04:10:29 pm »
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I think you guys have to note that the big bang is the BEST at the moment in describing how we came to be. There are obviously flaws attahced with it but alot less than it's other competitors. The big bang is not the begginnnig of everything but it has been claimed that it was the begginning of our time, so everything before it can be disregarded.
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Re: The big bang never happened
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2011, 04:18:36 pm »
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Yes, feel free to disregard anything that might invalidate your hypothesis... That's why I don't like the BBT and the scientific method that it represents. See my snide comment above about astrophysicists.

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Re: The big bang never happened
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2011, 01:32:48 pm »
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I like the TV show :)

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Re: The big bang never happened
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2011, 11:33:32 pm »
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Interesting!
Don't have time to read it all, but i guess the biggest flaw (or question) on the big bang theory is what was the moment of singularity created from (or what was before the singularity).

There was no "before" the singularity because there was no time, since 4 dimensional space-time was consequence of TBB.

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Re: The big bang never happened
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2011, 09:55:44 pm »
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unless i am missing a key element of the theory, that means something was created from absolute nothingness. Also, we do not know what happened before the singularity, we could be just one cycle of a continually expanding and collapsing universe.

But according to the redshift we're observing, the universe doesn't look like it's going to collapse anytime soon.
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Re: The big bang never happened
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2011, 10:46:27 pm »
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Damn this came out in ASP1010 paper for the last question. They asked us a question regarding why the theory of the Big Bang was suggested.

I went on about CMBR and inflation, tracing back to a singularity.

unless i am missing a key element of the theory, that means something was created from absolute nothingness. Also, we do not know what happened before the singularity, we could be just one cycle of a continually expanding and collapsing universe.

I spoke to a lecturer regarding a topic similar to this. According to him, since the rate of expansion for the universe increases as we look back in time, there would be a point(~16b ly's) where the expansion of the universe equals the speed of light. He called this the cosmic event horizon. Apparently, whatever can happen after that point, we do not know what happens after that point.

But as far as it's within the cosmic event horizon, we can safely assume that we're in an open universe(I hope). We have solid evidence(redshift) that the universe is expanding, but we had yet to prove that it may collapse one day.
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Re: The big bang never happened
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2011, 06:04:02 pm »
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unless i am missing a key element of the theory, that means something was created from absolute nothingness. Also, we do not know what happened before the singularity, we could be just one cycle of a continually expanding and collapsing universe.

As the argument goes, the big bang defined time, so there wasn't "anything" or "nothing" before it. If you have spare time in the break, borrow Road to Reality from a library.

But according to the redshift we're observing, the universe doesn't look like it's going to collapse anytime soon.

Yeah, but soon here is a hugely relative term.