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Well this thread has gone a bit dead :0. Still happy to share my interests in math with anyone else!
Well recently I had gone to a bridge building competition and managed to win a prize, despite this being our school's first year participating. I'm quite happy - we took a look at the different types of bridges and analysed them mathematically to decide on our design.
My maths teacher is so trash, Idek why she's the year 9 co-ordinator
In maths, she said 2 + 7 = 8 -_-
And always say "never question my judgment, it's always right"
I've been to one of these contests before, could you elaborate on hire they work?
Everyone makes careless errors now and then, sounds exactly like the type of careless thing I would do in a test :PShe's like so serious
It seems a bit odd that she'd say that, could she have been joking?
Here are some introductory questions to kick things off:
1) What's your favourite aspect of maths?
2) Do any key moments stand out to you so far?
3) How far do you plan on going with maths? Do you see it playing a key role in your future?
4) What's your favourite form of mathematical learning?
Hey 2021ers,Yes! Please post the challenging questions!!
I just finished my first year at University of Melbourne. Like many of you here, I've always loved maths and it's been a passion of mine ever since I can remember.
Since a few of you have taken interest in really extending/challenging yourselves, upon request, I'm more than happy to write some challenging questions for you all to work on together as a group (then, this will really become a maths club ;D).
Let me know if this is something you guys are interested in. I'm happy to post, say, one or two challenging questions per week :)
^May I suggest instead learning from first principles?Hey I just saw your post, may I know what you mean by first principles? Does it cover it in the Cambridge Math Methods 1/2 Textbook? Or do I have to do some online research on it. Thanks.
this is particularly useful for Trig identities and Integration...
Alrighty. Look like we're doing this. First, I'm going to give you a few short questions. I just want to find out where you guys are at in maths. I have no idea if these are too easy, too hard or just right, so let me know :)Ok using LaTex is complicating so I will just try with a equation copier LOL
Solve the following questions without the use of a calculator.
Ok using LaTex is complicating so I will just try with a equation copier LOL
1. \(x^2+\frac{bx}{a}+\frac{c}{a}=\(
2. \(\left(x+\frac{b}{2a}\right)^2-\frac{b^2}{4a^2}+\frac{c}{a}=0\)
3. \(\left(x+\frac{b}{2a}\right)^2=\frac{b^2}{4a^2}-\frac{c}{a}\)
4. \(\left(x+\frac{b}{2a}\right)^2=\frac{b^2}{4a^2}-\frac{4ac}{4a^2}\)
5. \(\left(x+\frac{b}{2a}\right)^2=\frac{b^2-4ac}{4a^2}\)
6. \(x+\frac{b}{2a}=+\ or\ -\sqrt{\frac{b^2-4ac}{4a^2}}\) *anyone know how to write the + with a - sign underneath? thanks*
7. \(x+\frac{b}{2a}=\frac{\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}\)
8. \(x=-\frac{b}{2a}+\frac{\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}\)
9. \(x=\frac{-b+or\ -\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}\)
Please anyone know how to do +/- sign?
Thanks
You might want to see this LaTex guide by RuiAce if you are interested in learning to type out LaTex on the forums :) . Unfortunately I couldn't see the +/- symbol there, but hopefully someone else is able to help you with thatThanks, for first step, I divided everything by "a" but I think the 0 got deleted, then I used the completing the square method for second step.
One of my issues with maths is that I don't explain things & show my working as well as I should a lot of the time, to help you avoid my bad habits, I'd encourage you to explain your first line more :)
Nothing embarrassing about not understanding right away at allsmall hintsFor 2, I'd encourage you to look at the log laws (there should be a list of them in your textbook/notes) and think about the relationship between 1/10 and 2/5
For 3, what does having the diameter allow you to find? Can you use subtraction?
Thanks, for first step, I divided everything by "a" but I think the 0 got deleted, then I used the completing the square method for second step.No worries :)
Question two log one
\(\log _2\left(\frac{2}{5}\right)=\log _2\left(2\right)-\log _2\left(5\right)\)
\(1-\log _2\left(5\right)\) Given that loga(a) = 1
How do I do the rest without calculator?
Thanks, for first step, I divided everything by "a" but I think the 0 got deleted, then I used the completing the square method for second step.
Question two log one
\(\log _2\left(\frac{2}{5}\right)=\log _2\left(2\right)-\log _2\left(5\right)\)
\(1-\log _2\left(5\right)\) Given that loga(a) = 1
How do I do the rest without calculator?
\(\log_2\left(\dfrac{1}{10}\right)=-3.322\)
\(\log_2\left(\frac{2}{5}\right)=\log_2\left(\frac{4}{10}\right)\)
idk -____-
I'm only starting the Math Methods 1/2 book, and haven't prone deeply into logarithms so I cannot answer this question I'm afraid. Maybe in late January I will be able :)
Love your work miniturtle.Thanks Aaron :)
Remember everyone - to encourage users to demonstrate understanding with their questions.... it will help them in the long run! 8) If all they post is a question, prompt/challenge them: "what do you think the first step is?", "how would you start it off", "what do you have so far?" (examples).
Set 2 Solutions:Question 1 Solution(https://i.imgur.com/zEdjEjg.png)
Hence, by the principle of perfect induction, the statements are equivalent.Question 2 SolutionHere, it is sufficient to prove the statement "If \(x\) is odd, then \(x^2\) is odd" (result from Question 1).
If \(x\) is odd, then \(x=2k+1\) for some \(k\in\mathbb{Z}\), and so, \[x^2=(2k+1)^2=4k^2+4k+1=2(2k^2+2k)+1.\] If we write \(m=2k^2+2k\in\mathbb{Z}\), the required result follows.Question 3 SolutionWe will proceed to prove this statement by contradiction.
Suppose that \(\sqrt{2}\in\mathbb{Q}\). Then there exists \(a,b\in\mathbb{Z}\), where \(a\) and \(b\) are coprime, such that \(\sqrt{2}=\dfrac{a}{b}\).
Then, we obtain \(a^2=2b^2\), and so \(a^2\) is even. Since \(a\in\mathbb{Z}\), \(a\) must be even (as proved in Question 2), and so we can write \(a=2m\) for some \(m\in\mathbb{Z}\).
However, the same equation yields \(b^2=2m^2\). Therefore, \(b^2\) is even, and since \(b\in\mathbb{Z}\), \(b\) is even (result from Question 2), meaning we can write \(b=2n\) for some \(n\in\mathbb{Z}\).
But then, \(\sqrt{2}=\dfrac{a}{b}=\dfrac{2m}{2n}=\dfrac{m}{n}\), contradicting the fact that \(a\) and \(b\) are coprime (they both have a common factor - mainly, 2).
Thus, \(\sqrt{2}\notin\mathbb{Q}\).
Let me know guys when/if you want another set :)
Set 3 Questions: 20 Dec 2018 to 2 Jan 2019Some Background TheoryFor this set of questions, we are going to discuss mathematical induction.
Mathematical induction is a very powerful tool when it comes to proving statements, especially for proving that a property, \(P(n)\), holds for all \(n\in\mathbb{N}\).
A proof by mathematical induction requires two cases to be proved. The first case is called the base case where we need to prove that the statement holds for the smallest element, usually \(n=1\). The second case is called the induction step where we need to prove that, if the statement holds for some number \(k\), then it holds for the next number \(k+1\).
This explanation can be quite confusing, so it's best explained with a metaphor. Suppose we have an infinitely long ladder and we would like to prove that we can climb up it infinitely. To do this, we consider two cases. We start by proving that we can climb onto the first rung of the ladder (the base case). Then, we prove that from any rung, we can always climb to the next rung (induction step). And then we're done! We've proved we can always climb the ladder infinitely.
Here's a simple example of how we use mathematical induction. Let's prove that \[1+2+\dots+n=\frac{n(n+1)}{2},\quad n\in\mathbb{N}.\]That is, we want to prove the formula for the sum of the first \(n\) natural numbers.
Let's start with the base case: \(n=1\)
\(\text{LHS}=1\), and \(\text{RHS}=\dfrac{1(1+1)}{2}=\dfrac{2}{2}=1\).
Great. We get \(1=1\). Although, not part of the proof, just for our curiosity, let's try it for some other numbers.
\(n=2\):
\(\text{LHS}=1+2=3\), and \(\text{RHS}=\dfrac{2(2+1)}{2}=\dfrac{6}{2}=3\).
\(n=3\):
\(\text{LHS}=1+2+3=6\), and \(\text{RHS}=\dfrac{3(3+1)}{2}=\dfrac{12}{2}=6\).
So, at this point, we might be convinced that this formula is correct. It is, but proving that a property holds for \(n=1,2,3\) isn't a proof. We now need to do the induction step.
Suppose that the statement is true for some \(k\in\mathbb{N}\). That is, let's assume it's true that \[1+2+\dots+k=\frac{k(k+1)}{2}.\]
Now, does the property hold for \(k+1\)? Let's find out.
\begin{align*}\text{LHS}&=1+2+\dots+k+(k+1)\\
&=[1+2+\dots+k]+(k+1)\\
&=\frac{k(k+1)}{2}+(k+1)\quad\quad (\text{the expression in the square brackets is exactly what we assumed!})\\
&=\frac{k(k+1)}{2}+\frac{2(k+1)}{2}\quad\quad (\text{common denominator})\\
&=\frac{(k+1)(k+2)}{2}\quad\quad (\text{factor out }(k+1) )\\
&=\frac{(k+1)\Big((k+1)+1\Big)}{2}\quad\quad (\text{small algebraic manipulation})\\
&=\text{RHS}\mid_{n=k+1},\quad\quad (\text{which is the RHS of the equation if we replaced }n\ \text{with}\ k+1)\end{align*}
And we are done! Let's just write a concluding statement:
Hence, by the principle of mathematical induction, the statement is true.
Anyway, this should be enough background information. The questions are standalone, so each question doesn't require results from the previous question. I've put them in order of easiest to hardest (in my opinion). Best of luck!Question 1Prove, using mathematical induction, that the sum of the first \(n\) odd natural numbers is equal to \(n^2\). That is prove that, \[1+3+\dots+(2n-1)=n^2,\quad n\in\mathbb{N}.\]Question 2Prove, using mathematical induction, that \(7^n-4^n\) is divisible by \(3\) for all \(n\in\mathbb{N}\).Question 3Prove, using mathematical induction, that \[2\cdot 2^0\;+\; 3\cdot 2^1\;+\;4\cdot 2^2\;+\;\dots\; +\; (n+1)\cdot 2^{n-1}=n\cdot 2^n,\quad n\in\mathbb{N}.\]
Best of luck :)
In terms of self learning mathematics, what are some good pathways to follow up on, especially beyond the specialist curriculum? (I know this is hard to put into words haha).Whilst you don't need to go into depth with linear algebra (i.e. vector spaces, linear transformations, eigenvalues, ...) you should have a more refined understanding of vectors and matrices before jumping into multivariable calculus. I feel as though specialising into one direction so early on isn't the best idea - you should have foundations in a bit of everything, and then decide on what to specialise in.
What I think is good to learn that directly follows specialist so far includes:
- Calculus (In American terms, Calc 2 and 3, as well as Multivariate Calculus and Applied Calculus)
- Differential Equations (applications as well?)
- Analysis 1 and 2, Real and Complex
- Linear Algebra
- some of the 'theories', Set Theory, Number Theory, Category Theory, Group Theory
- Further math logic and proofs
(I've been using MIT courses as a basis for some of these)
Any other suggestions? The perfect resource for me would be a mathematical tree showing which subjects naturally lead to which and how they are all linked together in terms of some reasonable progression, but after scouring the internet nothing like that seems to be out there.
Whilst you don't need to go into depth with linear algebra (i.e. vector spaces, linear transformations, eigenvalues, ...) you should have a more refined understanding of vectors and matrices before jumping into multivariable calculus. I feel as though specialising into one direction so early on isn't the best idea - you should have foundations in a bit of everything, and then decide on what to specialise in.
I prefer a reasonable understanding of vector geometry as well as knowing the cross product and matrices before beginning multivariable calculus (calc III stuff). Differential equations should be taken concurrently with calc II and III content because the techniques overlap, because the easy techniques in DEs only require calc II material whilst the more complicated ones require calc III. After that, you can fill in the gaps with linear algebra.
(Alternatively, do all of linear algebra before continuing with calculus and analysis.)
Discrete math topics (set theory, number theory, logic, ...) can be studied stand-alone. Whilst in practice set theory should be something you should always know, it's also one of the easier things to learn and along with everything else in discrete math, can be learnt whenever you want to.
Technically speaking though, you really shouldn't just put a whole bunch of topics down and be like "what should I do". (I also have a bad feeling that MIT topics are designed in an order suitable for the extremely gfited.) Instead, you can just look up some first year unit outlines (surely UniMelb and Monash have these somewhere) and just follow the structures they outline on their sem 1 courses first.
Thank you! I'll definitely check out the course outlines for Melbourne Uni and Monash, however, they don't seem to be as comprehensive as the online MIT resources which come with free assignments, lectures, and problem sets. I'm already working on some of the broad areas I listed but I guess was just hoping for some other ideas to add breadth and some sort of direction to my mathematics journey. Predominantly I am working on Calc II material together with Differential equations, and will definitely take on the advice you gave in the first paragraph in the future (can you please elaborate on the concepts that overlap with Linear Algebra and Calc III?).Basically you won't see any vector spaces and etc. in calc III - that's what makes linear algebra distinguishable from calculus. But as you start progressing into vector calculus (belongs in calc III) you're expected to know all the fundamentals (matrix multiplication, ...) to a more in-depth level than when you first start learning it. All of those concepts are treated as assumed knowledge here.
Guess my dream of having a flowchart to visualise mathematics and my progression is still far off :P
In terms of self learning mathematics, what are some good pathways to follow up on, especially beyond the specialist curriculum? (I know this is hard to put into words haha).Wow!!
What I think is good to learn that directly follows specialist so far includes:
- Calculus (In American terms, Calc 2 and 3, as well as Multivariate Calculus and Applied Calculus)
- Differential Equations (applications as well?)
- Analysis 1 and 2, Real and Complex
- Linear Algebra
- some of the 'theories', Set Theory, Number Theory, Category Theory, Group Theory
- Further math logic and proofs
(I've been using MIT courses as a basis for some of these)
Any other suggestions? The perfect resource for me would be a mathematical tree showing which subjects naturally lead to which and how they are all linked together in terms of some reasonable progression, but after scouring the internet nothing like that seems to be out there.
Wow!!
Are you planning to do UMEP Maths?
Most likely :p. Any sort of university extension would be great. You?Sorry, I have just read this (O.O)
Sorry, I have just read this (O.O)UMEP maths isn't actually taken at the university, its conducted at various schools. I've attached an image with all the locations, maybe there is something closer for you.
And I don't think I'm going to be doing any university extension courses because there are no universities close to me =[ (However this may change but unlikely because I'd already gotten a rough idea of the 6 subjects I would be doing [>.<]
UMEP maths isn't actually taken at the university, its conducted at various schools. I've attached an image with all the locations, maybe there is something closer for you.OHHH WAITTT LOOOOL ONE OF THEM IS AT MY SCHOOOL LMFAOOOOOO
(https://i.imgur.com/dYohbPG.png)
Hey guys! assuming this the right place to post this. I am in year 10 this year and doing general mathematics and feel I have made a mistake and should of done methods. Math isn't my best subject, I struggle quite a bit, I am finding the content easy as and feel like I am wasting what I am capable of. I have been told its a good choice as its one less subject I don't have to worry about but I want to be prepared and knowledgable for my future endeavours. Does General Mathematics year 10 get harder? should I try to move to methods? I am really torn and I have missed the deadline but I feel I can try to move if I am finding it easy as.General maths? As in you're doing year 11 general maths in year 10?
General maths? As in you're doing year 11 general maths in year 10?
Methods and General/Further aren't that related besides graphs and relations. I personally, back in year 11, found general to be easy, but methods was difficult.
'I have been told its a good choice as its one less subject' isn't really a good thought to have. I spent the most time in general fine-tuning and understanding the concept to perfection because of all the silly mistakes I made.
I suggest you talk to your subject counsellor for more details, but for my two cents, you should choose methods if you're actually capable of doing it (take into consideration that you also did mention that you struggle with maths). Look into the methods 1/2 study design for synopsis.
What do you want to do in uni? perhaps look into the prerequisites as many need at least 25 in methods.
Hey guys! assuming this the right place to post this. I am in year 10 this year and doing general mathematics and feel I have made a mistake and should of done methods. Math isn't my best subject, I struggle quite a bit, I am finding the content easy as and feel like I am wasting what I am capable of. I have been told its a good choice as its one less subject I don't have to worry about but I want to be prepared and knowledgable for my future endeavours. Does General Mathematics year 10 get harder? should I try to move to methods? I am really torn and I have missed the deadline but I feel I can try to move if I am finding it easy as.
my school is quite weird so I am doing year 10 general. the year 10 math are split into 3 classes Foundation; basically you are planning to ditch math and this is the last compulsory year and you basically budge.Seeing as Year 10 doesn't technically count towards VCE, I'd still probably talk to your maths teacher to see if you would be capable of doing the Year 10 Methods stream and can switch into the Methods stream next semester for a good foundation* and to test the waters. If you struggle too much, either switch back to General Year 10 or, if you miss the cut off date, then you'll have to stick it out for one semester and take General Maths U1/2 next year. Just be aware that many nursing, health care and common back up plans for people who miss out on undergrad med usually need some form of maths at the Year 11/12 stages, sometimes being Methods, sometimes not, so be wary of any prereqs your back up plans need. (I talked about how to check prereqs on another of your posts.)
general; you go over previously learnt content but more in depth
Methods; new content and quite tricky. I know a few people struggling in math methods and a few who find it great.
I am looking towards healthcare, as in I am aiming high (doctor, or even higher, and if I don't make it I can always fall back to nursing)
my school is quite weird so I am doing year 10 general. the year 10 math are split into 3 classes Foundation; basically you are planning to ditch math and this is the last compulsory year and you basically budge.What uni do you have in mind? I'm pretty sure only monash or melb uni need a prereq of methods for their science courses (you might need to double check on this).
general; you go over previously learnt content but more in depth
Methods; new content and quite tricky. I know a few people struggling in math methods and a few who find it great.
I am looking towards healthcare, as in I am aiming high (doctor, or even higher, and if I don't make it I can always fall back to nursing)