I got 24 in methods but i want to do Commerce - advice please

[mozart]

not really statistics but they're like testimonials given by previous students but not reallt testemonials as they are negative, and i don't really know were i got them from.

But anyway if commerce is your dream course and you love it, go for it! do what ever it takes to own it, even if it means being stressef for one year of your life.

Isn't math methods mainly of applying formulas to a number of areas and then constructing graphs out of these if necessary. I'm not really sure as i havn't started it yet, just curious.

Oh yer and btw would changing to normal methods help or would that add to your burden since your currently on CAS which i personally see as wierd :S

ahwell you got the legal because of the hard work you put in, maybe you can own methods now if you "actually" put in the work.

anyway goodluck costargh if you are to pursure the almighty methods.

[Mao]

not really statistics but they're like testimonials given by previous students but not reallt testemonials as they are negative, and i don't really know were i got them from.

But anyway if commerce is your dream course and you love it, go for it! do what ever it takes to own it, even if it means being stressef for one year of your life.

Isn't math methods mainly of applying formulas to a number of areas and then constructing graphs out of these if necessary. I'm not really sure as i havn't started it yet, just curious.

Oh yer and btw would changing to normal methods help or would that add to your burden since your currently on CAS which i personally see as wierd :S

ahwell you got the legal because of the hard work you put in, maybe you can own methods now if you "actually" put in the work.

anyway goodluck costargh if you are to pursure the almighty methods.

um.....

testinomials/non-testimonials of single subjects shouldnt really be trusted... they can be VERY biased...

maths methods is pretty much advanced algebra, it's not applying formulas and drawing graphs, the closest to that would be physics...
methods CAS has little difference to methods, the only main difference is that the CAS calculator is a lot more complicated, and those who dont exactly mix with technology should stay a fair way from CAS, in terms of difficulty CAS is not much harder than normal, except they throw in harder numbers or more complicated looking equations to trap those who dont understand what the calculator can do for them.

@ costa, you already have the methods course behind you, this year if you are going to do it just focus on practicing, and do a bit of past exams, it's maths, and there's only a number of ways to ask questions, plus last year's exam was SUPER hard, this year they are most probably gonna tone it down 

GOOD LUCK

[costargh]

Thanks for the advice everyone.
I still need to talk to the school about it.

I don't underestimate the level of maths required in Commerce but I am realistic as to the fact that a great deal of the methods course has nothing to do with Commerce related subjects

[sheepz]

I would side with repeating it because I don't think the universities are going to accept you easily if you don't meet the pre-req... but yeah always a good idea to talk to your school and see if there's any alternative ways in =)

[Mao]

lets set up a poll shall we??

[humph]

exactly brendan. As i said, math is commerce

i'm offended by that statement. i like to think that maths has no relationship whatsoever to real life

but then again the maths i do is about as pure as you can get at undergraduate level 

[Collin Li]

exactly brendan. As i said, math is commerce

i'm offended by that statement. i like to think that maths has no relationship whatsoever to real life

but then again the maths i do is about as pure as you can get at undergraduate level 

Pfft. Use it or lose it

Applied applied applied applied! (Engineering AND Commerce - I hope this makes you cry )

[humph]

exactly brendan. As i said, math is commerce

i'm offended by that statement. i like to think that maths has no relationship whatsoever to real life

but then again the maths i do is about as pure as you can get at undergraduate level 

Pfft. Use it or lose it

Applied applied applied applied! (Engineering AND Commerce - I hope this makes you cry )

 

applications ftl!

this year i'm not even doing any physics courses - they were just too appliead for me.

[bebobebo]

they're normally not very flexible so just bite the bullet and redo it. it might seem like a pain but its nothing in terms of going to the university of your choice

[brendan]

the fact that a great deal of the methods course has nothing to do with Commerce related subjects

If you are going to do anything related to economics, actuarial science, or finance, then be prepared for some university level maths. There is indeed a reason why methods is required. If it had nothing to do with Commerce, then they wouldn't have made it a prereq. You can't do the higher-level maths needed for economics, actuarial or finance, unless you know your methods. Furthermore, BCom at melb has a quantitative requirement, meaning that you must do a mathsy first year subject and a mathsy second year subject to get your degree degree. Both of which would require the use of, and build upon, the skills and knowledge that you would have learnt in methods.

[costargh]

Aw ok. I guess I underestimated the level of maths required but one must see my point though that only certain sections of the methods course are applicable to a Commerce degree. I think @ Monash their isn't such an enphasise on maths in Commerce ( I dont know if theres actual maths subjects that are compulsory).

Guess I'll just have to repeat it then.

[Collin Li]

Circular functions aren't that abstract. They are closely related to the exponential function (via complex numbers), which is a common solution to differential equations. Therefore, they can be useful.

But, I think it is more about being able to pick up various functions and work with it, that is indicative of your skills in further maths study.

[costargh]

Do you guys have any examples of the sort of maths used in Commerce degrees?

[brendan]

Do you guys have any examples of the sort of maths used in Commerce degrees?

check out the unimelb undergrad handbook

Example of maths in economics: see pg 10-23 http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/mankiw/files/Sticky_Information.pdf
Specialist Mathematics is a prereq for Actuarial subjects so that doesn't need much more explanation

Here are some quantitative subjects you can do for BCom:

620-157 Mathematics 1
620-158 Mathematics 2
620-201 Probability
620-202 Statistics
316-317 Econometrics
316-338 Mathematical Economics
316-350 Time Series Analysis and Forecasting
300-203 Financial Mathematics I
300-204 Financial Mathematics II
300-334 Financial Mathematics III
300-316 Models for Insurance and Finance
620-301 Stochastic Modelling
620-302 Chance and Options Pricing
620-371 Linear Models
620-374 Sampling and Forecasting

The subjects in bold are the most important quantitative subjects for Economics and Finance, the UMEP program is a yearlong version of 620-157 Mathematics 1

[maxleng]

As most of you are probably already aware, Costa (costargh) has issues regarding his failure to gain an adequate study score in Mathematical Methods (CAS), in order to satisfy the prerequisite for Commerce at either the University of Melbourne or Monash University.

I'm posting on his behalf he doesn’t want to "directly" persist with gauging FSN thoughts, even though it's constantly "on his mind".

So the situation is:

Prerequisite for Commerce at both the universities is 25 in Methods (any)
He achieved a raw score of 24 in Methods, missing out on the requirement by ONE point.

He has been given the option to repeat this subject in order to meet the requirement, but as you can imagine, such a pursuit would be both repetitive, painful and there is a chance that repeating the subject could adversely impact on his other studies.

Can anyone offer a solution as to how he can get around this issue? Can he somehow try and gain special consideration from the university due to attending an under represented school? Would it be wise to approach the universities directly and find out if he can demonstrate his mathematical ability through another source, such as the GAT? It seems cruel that one should have to repeat an entire 3/4 sequence for the sake of one point.

what about the people who miss out on courses by .5 of an enter point? thats just the way it is..