Post by: jamonwindeyer on February 29, 2016, 11:50:54 pm
HSC ENGLISH STANDARD Q&A THREAD
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* [Guide] Surviving HSC English, Unshattered
* HSC English: The Keys You Need to Make Your Study More Successful
* Trials Checklist - English
* Cramming For English: Save Your Mark in 48 Hours
* One Week Until English
* Using Big Words; A Trickster's Guide to English
* Dealing With English (For Maths Students)
* Memorising English Essays!
* Memorising Essays Might Not Be the Best Idea
* 10 Words to Avoid in Your English Essays
* Your Essay is A Lot Like Cordial - Seriously!
* Handwriting: Improving Speed, Neatness, and Legibility
* Improving Your Vocabulary - A Beginner's Guide
* HSC English Standard Question Thread
* HSC Marking and Feedback
* [Guide] How to Improve Your Vocab and Expression in HSC English
* [Guide] Surviving HSC English, Unshattered
* HSC English: The Keys You Need to Make Your Study More Successful
* Trials Checklist - English
* Cramming For English: Save Your Mark in 48 Hours
* One Week Until English
* Using Big Words; A Trickster's Guide to English
* Dealing With English (For Maths Students)
* Memorising English Essays!
* Memorising Essays Might Not Be the Best Idea
* 10 Words to Avoid in Your English Essays
* Your Essay is A Lot Like Cordial - Seriously!
* Handwriting: Improving Speed, Neatness, and Legibility
* Improving Your Vocabulary - A Beginner's Guide
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Hello everyone!
I'm a big believer in equality and all that stuff, and I was devastated that somehow, someway, there wasn't a question thread for English Standard! Treacherous! :o
So, this thread is kind of like a Public Q+A. It will be monitored by successful English students, spearheaded by Elyse (our Extension 2 English Master to the Stars), as well as Jake and myself. We are all Band 6 English Advanced students, and all super eager to help you guys out with any questions you may have. Ask us anything at all, and we will get back to you with the most detailed answer we can!
We also have a free essay marking forum that provides awesome feedback. You can find that here: English Standard Essay Marking
Looking forward to hearing from everyone ;D Happy study!
I'm a big believer in equality and all that stuff, and I was devastated that somehow, someway, there wasn't a question thread for English Standard! Treacherous! :o
So, this thread is kind of like a Public Q+A. It will be monitored by successful English students, spearheaded by Elyse (our Extension 2 English Master to the Stars), as well as Jake and myself. We are all Band 6 English Advanced students, and all super eager to help you guys out with any questions you may have. Ask us anything at all, and we will get back to you with the most detailed answer we can!
We also have a free essay marking forum that provides awesome feedback. You can find that here: English Standard Essay Marking
Looking forward to hearing from everyone ;D Happy study!
Post by: jkkke on March 02, 2016, 08:44:34 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on March 02, 2016, 08:53:07 pm
Hey just a question about the reading section in the hsc and how to prepare for it and do you figure out the techniques during reading time or after written area of study essay. Would the best study for it just lots of past reading papers. Thankyou :)
Hey jkkke! Great set of questions ;D
I personally did my Paper 1 in the following order: Short Answer, Essay, Creative Writing. I liked doing my creative last because it was, to me, a session I could afford to lose time in if I had to, I normally aimed to write my piece in 30 minutes anyway. I also liked to have some time to let the essay question stew over in my head. For this reason, I did the Textual Analysis section first. Reading the extra texts could even give you ideas for your other sections! So, I recommend to do them first, but it is totally a personal preference :)
As for techniques, I normally didn't look for them during Reading Time. Instead, I used reading time to form the conceptual focus of each piece. What was the author trying to accomplish? Why was the piece created in the first place? That is often the first thing you need to answer questions in the reading section, so I think it is a good place to start. Then, when you are allowed to pick up a pen, take time to underline key phrases. Don't spend ridiculous amounts of time trying to find techniques, the conceptual understanding and analysis of the techniques is more important than the techniques themselves. I'll also add that I found it easier to read a text, do the question on it, read the next, do the next question, etc. I preferred to get one text done before moving on to the next.
How to prepare for it? You hit the nail on the head; practice, practice, practice. There is no way to prepare for what they will give you, you just need to have done as many practice versions as possible so you are well rehearsed in time management, spotting techniques, coming up with concepts quickly, etc. Having a bank of techniques that you remember, as well as a list of potential concepts, may also help you immensely ;D
Post by: jkkke on March 03, 2016, 07:02:04 pm
Post by: jkkke on March 06, 2016, 07:34:23 pm
Post by: elysepopplewell on March 07, 2016, 10:00:01 am
Hey maybe a stupid question but for the past papers did you print them of completely or do them of a screen and for the hsc because there's only one year of discovery does it matter doing belonging questions.
Hey! It will be quite difficult to do belonging papers for discovery. The reason being, you need to get used to the different ways that they could pick at the rubric and turn it into a question. You could, of course, familiarise yourself with the belonging rubric, but that would be wasting your time! If you have a look around the internet, you should be able to find some trial papers, half yearlies, etc, and use them as preparation! Also, ask your teachers for the internal assessment questions from 2015 if they had them.
As for the screen/printing question:
I went into the HSC with a prepared essay, and then I adapted it to the question. So in my preparation, I printed out my essay and then looked at past papers in whatever form they came in (print or online) and I would just draw onto my printed essay where I would manipulate things in order to suit the syllabus.
If you are the kind of person who benefits from studying in "exam style" situations - you should definitely print the questions and write on the paper as though you are writing your exam response! For short answer questions (now talking about other subjects, but also Paper 1 for English) I always wanted to write them. I always wanted to gain time for other questions by smashing through short answers, so studying in an exam style situation for short answers worked for me.
If you are a person who needs something tangible to work with, definitely print. If you are just doing a check of your essay/creative against the questions to see what might throw you, then save some paper :)
Post by: MeaganJane on March 10, 2016, 09:41:10 pm
Thank you so much for your help in advance!!!!
Post by: elysepopplewell on March 11, 2016, 07:51:04 am
Hi! I have my English exam in 19 days and I was just wondering what you think the best visual techniques would be to use for a "Distinctively Visual" module. There's sooooo many and I know I don't have time to memorise them all, which do you believe would be the most useful? We are doing a film for this module (Crouching tiger, Hidden Dragon. Ang Lee) and the essay question will be "Discuss how the distinctively visual is used in texts to represent the composers unique ideas of individuals and communities".
Thank you so much for your help in advance!!!!
Hey MeaganJane :)
You're right, there really are sooo many visual techniques! I always liked to talk about lighting. I think lighting, whether saturated, chiaroscuro, or in fact, absence of light, is a really powerful technique used in films.
However, you should work on remember the textual references that give the most to your argument, and the techniques that happen to be used. Dialogue, costuming, lighting, camera angles, non-diegetic and diegetic sounds, cross cutting, so on and so on. There are plenty to choose from. Your best bet is finding parts of the text that support what you want to argue, and then working out what techniques are at play :)
Post by: hxh2011 on March 24, 2016, 09:51:33 pm
Post by: elysepopplewell on March 25, 2016, 10:16:03 am
hey! do you know any good related text to "shoe-horn sonata". ???Hey there! I haven't studied this myself so I can't speak from experience. However, I have been observing the ORTs of a few students and these seem to be popular for the module: The Pianist (film), Paradise Road (film), Scenic Drive by R Cobb (cartoon) and Bowling for Columbine - Michael Moore (film).
Hopefully this helps! Most are films, so you'd need to have a look online for some reviews if you haven't seem them before. :)
Post by: Emilyom on March 25, 2016, 04:41:02 pm
I was just wondering if you could help me understand this essay question?
Through the distinctively visual, composers can influence others with their own perspectives of life. How are these perspectives conveyed in your prescribed text and one other related text?
I was finding difficult to write a thesis statement for this question.
Thank you so much!
Post by: elysepopplewell on March 25, 2016, 07:32:09 pm
Hey,
I was just wondering if you could help me understand this essay question?
Through the distinctively visual, composers can influence others with their own perspectives of life. How are these perspectives conveyed in your prescribed text and one other related text?
I was finding difficult to write a thesis statement for this question.
Thank you so much!
Hey Emily! Can you tell me what you understand of it right now? My understanding of nearly all texts is that composers have the capacity to create influence their audience through their medium: their work. Often, the composer's own agenda/perspectives/thoughts will be expressed in the work. Thus, their work is a reflection of their own perspective of life, which is conveyed to readers through a text. How does this sound to you? :)
Post by: JohnnyDoe on March 27, 2016, 10:52:18 pm
Here's the question so you have a good insight about the essay: "Identify a key episode in the Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time. Analyse the ways in which this key episode challenges our perception of society. In your response, make detailed reference to the text.
So far the only idea I can come up with is this: 1) How society is can be hostile and unfriendly to anybody
Some ideas you can think up of would be great, 3-4 would be greatly appreciated (At this point I'm kind of brain dead so I'm getting any help I can)
Post by: Eye on March 28, 2016, 01:12:08 am
What is a good creative writing? I absolutely have no idea and I usually get like 3 marks for it? Is there is tips? I have got a good idea sometime but I tend to struggle to get it on to the paper😭😭
Post by: literally lauren on March 28, 2016, 11:11:23 am
Would any of you guys be familiar with the text called "Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time" by Mark Haddon? If so, I could use some help with some specific ideas that are conveyed during the 'Journey to London' episode where Christopher the protagonist ventures out. The essay (I'm writing) will be accounting on how this episode challenges our perception of societyJust cause I was rereading this book last week, I thought I might jump in.
Here's the question so you have a good insight about the essay: "Identify a key episode in the Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time. Analyse the ways in which this key episode challenges our perception of society. In your response, make detailed reference to the text.
So far the only idea I can come up with is this: 1) How society is can be hostile and unfriendly to anybody
Some ideas you can think up of would be great, 3-4 would be greatly appreciated (At this point I'm kind of brain dead so I'm getting any help I can)
I'd say you could break up your one idea into a couple of smaller ones, for starters. There's lots of different kinds of hostility evident in that section of the book - from the downright aggressive people who swear at him and call him "weird" to the more implicit cruelty of people seeing this kid on his own and just ignoring him.
You could also talk about how overwhelming the world can be for people who either haven't been exposed to it, or whose minds work differently (eg. pg. 208-209 where he's trying to take in all the advertisements and signs). In some sense it shows us how the world can be so ill-suited to people with disabilities, though the vast majority never consider things from their perspective (~which is one one of the major messages in the novel).
So the notion of the world being easy/intuitive to navigate is challenged by the difficulties Christopher faces trying to get through London, and the chapter also looks at the way situations can be misinterpreted. Not only does Christopher make a couple of mistakes in his judgments about the way things work, but people also falsely assume things about him too (eg. him groaning on the train or when he tries to by an A-Z and the guy insists on getting the money first since he things Chris will run off without paying).
It all depends which societal perceptions you want to talk about :)
Post by: katherine123 on April 17, 2016, 05:26:16 pm
Post by: elysepopplewell on April 17, 2016, 07:24:56 pm
Does anyone know any good related text (eg.Tim Winton) for billy elliot film, preferably a short story or poem?
OMG TIM WINTON <3 <3 <3
I think that if you are taking the thematic approach of people finding renewed perspectives and breaking stereotypes and expectations, then Distant Lands is great. "Neighbours" works too, but not to the same extent. I always recommend Distant Lands haha. Seriously, it just works so well with everything.
I'm not familiar with Billy Elliot the film and its been 6+ years since I saw it in theatre. But from what I remember, Distant Lands would work well.
Post by: amandali on April 29, 2016, 07:59:06 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on April 29, 2016, 08:41:54 pm
is it okay if i use the same related text for 2 different modules for school exam and hsc exam?
Hey amandali! It's a little hard to say. For a school exam, where the booklets are potentially marked by the same person, you may want to avoid it, though technically it isn't against any rule. Probably best to ask your teacher on that one!!
For the HSC though, absolutely fine! The essays are all marked at different times by different markers, so they wouldn't know anyway. And anyway, it totally doesn't even matter, the only thing you can't do is use a prescribed text from one section as a related text in another.
As long as the ORT definitely suits both modules you want to use it for, then go nuts, no worries at all ;D
Post by: amandali on April 29, 2016, 08:53:03 pm
Hey amandali! It's a little hard to say. For a school exam, where the booklets are potentially marked by the same person, you may want to avoid it, though technically it isn't against any rule. Probably best to ask your teacher on that one!!
For the HSC though, absolutely fine! The essays are all marked at different times by different markers, so they wouldn't know anyway. And anyway, it totally doesn't even matter, the only thing you can't do is use a prescribed text from one section as a related text in another.
As long as the ORT definitely suits both modules you want to use it for, then go nuts, no worries at all ;D
Will I be allowed to use Barn Owl by Gwen harwood as a related text for eng standard? I searched it up and found out that it was one of prescribed poems for advanced eng in 2011 and 2012
Post by: jamonwindeyer on April 29, 2016, 08:56:01 pm
Will I be allowed to use Barn Owl by Gwen harwood as a related text for eng standard? I searched it up and found out that it was one of prescribed poems for advanced eng in 2011 and 2012
You are all sweet! As long as it's not on the list anymore then good to go ;D
Post by: navtejkr on May 07, 2016, 10:32:55 pm
im in year 11 however, i want to improve and understand everything now before i hit year 12
i dont even understand the purpose of english or why its even compulsory, im more of a maths student but anywho, im going to have to do it. I just want advice on how i can do well in it, how to study for it, etc. My vocabulary isnt very broad and i find myself reading through things not knowing what half the words mean, this really frustrates me.
Please help me, english scares me a lot and unfortunately its the two unit that count no matter want :'(
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 08, 2016, 12:23:55 am
hey guys, you all seem too smart for me but english is my worst subject, i struggle with it so much
im in year 11 however, i want to improve and understand everything now before i hit year 12
i dont even understand the purpose of english or why its even compulsory, im more of a maths student but anywho, im going to have to do it. I just want advice on how i can do well in it, how to study for it, etc. My vocabulary isnt very broad and i find myself reading through things not knowing what half the words mean, this really frustrates me.
Please help me, english scares me a lot and unfortunately its the two unit that count no matter want :'(
Hey navtejkr!! Welcome to the forums!! ;D
First of all, a massive props to you for wanting to work to improve your English skills. I am also much more of a math guy traditionally, so I totally understand where you are coming from. Luckily for us, HSC English can be approached quite logically, you almost develop a formula for crafting your response! ;D
English is a vital subject for getting you used to writing about and supporting an argument. It helps you appreciate the purposes behind the information we are presented with. It helps you with communication skills. And I could go on, even as an Engineering Student, I use my HSC English Skills often, to structure responses and argue my design ideas.
Don't let English scare you though! It is definitely not as hard as it seems! Year 11 is your chance to develop the skills you need before Year 12 ;D
A few pieces of advice from one math-oriented student to another. Read your texts early, give yourself plenty of time to really absorb the ideas and grasp the vocabulary. Make notes on the main ideas in the text (and maybe even a few techniques) as you go. Studying for English should involve lots of reading of your text and texts similar to it, the more you read the more you develop that vocabulary you are seeking, and you'll also want a good bank of novels and such in Year 12 when you'll need to select a Related Text :D
I'd also read this article on dealing with English, tailored for math students!
Besides this, just stay persistent! English is tough, no doubt about it, but it is absolutely achievable. English was my worst subject going into the start of Year 11, I worked hard and it turned into one of my best. You can do the same if you work just as hard!! ;D
Feel free to keep coming back with more specific questions: Essay advice, technique advice, etc etc. We are happy to give you as much help as we can ;D
Post by: itswags98 on May 14, 2016, 04:56:00 pm
I have an english assessment with the essay question on Curious Incident of the dog in the night time. The question is How is Haddons perspective conveyed in the Curious Incident of The Dog in the Night time. What are some perspectives i could structure my body paragraphs on?
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 14, 2016, 05:35:41 pm
Hey guys, new guy here!
I have an english assessment with the essay question on Curious Incident of the dog in the night time. The question is How is Haddons perspective conveyed in the Curious Incident of The Dog in the Night time. What are some perspectives i could structure my body paragraphs on?
Hey itswags, welcome!! I didn't do your text, neither did any of the mods, so I'd encourage any students reading this who might be able to help to chime in ;D that being said, have a think back over the text, think of anything that Haddon might be trying to say in the text. Any hidden themes or morals (EG - love one another, power corrupts, bacon is delicious, etc) that pop up? Those would be a great place to start ;) hopefully someone sees this and chimes in to help!! ;D
Post by: maccasgirl on May 14, 2016, 06:30:13 pm
If you have any suggestions of discovery related materials I could have a look it I would appreciate it so much!
Thank you!
Post by: hannahboardman98 on May 14, 2016, 06:51:16 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 14, 2016, 11:48:17 pm
Hey guys! I got my half yearly marks back on my Discovery essay recently and the analysis of the prescribed text (Go Back to Where You Came from - documentary) was really good, however my teacher said the only thing that stopped me from achieving top range of marks was my related material (Mending Wall - poem by Robert Frost). It doesn't have enough conceptual ideas in it to suit some possible questions so I need to change it and that's what I'm struggling with.
If you have any suggestions of discovery related materials I could have a look it I would appreciate it so much!
Thank you!
Hey there, welcome to the forums!! ;D
Awesome to hear that your analysis of the core text went well! Our resident Discovery expert is taking some time off at the moment, but I know she would recommend two texts: Neighbours or Distant Lands. Both are written by an Australian novelist, Tim Winton. One can be found in the anthology called Scission, another can be found in the anthology "Minimum of Two." Elyse recommends these stories to everyone, and I know they are both very conceptually rich. Hopefully one of them might work for you!!
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 14, 2016, 11:49:59 pm
Hi I was just wondering if you know of any good related texts for The Story of Tom Brennan. It has to be Australian too. The module is 'Exploring Transitions' :)
Hey Hannah! I didn't study that module, but I know of some good short stories by Australian novelist Tim Winton. Neighbours or Distant Lands are great, they were the Related Texts used by Elyse (our resident Discovery expert) for her Area of Study. They might be applicable here!! One can be found in the anthology called Scission, another can be found in the anthology "Minimum of Two." I hope this helps! ;D
Post by: katherine123 on May 15, 2016, 08:22:44 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 15, 2016, 11:12:59 pm
do you know any good related text for distinctly visual mod A (henry lawson's short stories) i prefer anything but film
Hey Katherine! I can't speak from experience, neither myself or any of the mods did this module, but there are a few really common ORT's for Distinctively Visual that Elyse and I have seen a lot of people use. Unfortunately, most of them are films:
- The Pianist (film)
- Paradise Road (film)
- Scenic Drive by R Cobb (cartoon)
- Bowling for Columbine - Michael Moore (film)
What sort of themes are you wanting to discuss with regard Lawson's work? I might be able to suggest a short story or a novel that would suit what you want to discuss ;D
Post by: joshbroyda1 on May 17, 2016, 03:18:00 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 17, 2016, 10:48:26 pm
Does anyone have an essay on the Curious Incident of the dog in the nighttime? Need something to get my juices flowing!
Welcome to the forums!! Hopefully someone can help you out ;D ;D
Post by: macemarija on May 20, 2016, 04:24:47 pm
I have an enjoy assignment due this tuesday but I'm not sure what to include in the poster and what to do, also whether to include quotes in these two questions and what kind. I know its late, but I have been doing other assignments due next week and just though of asking now :D I can also include the criteria if you would like.
Thanks!
Part 1: Poster Advertisement (1 A3 sheet)
“I do not have the power to build a memorial. So I wrote a play instead.” - Misto
Using the quote above as your focus, you are to create a poster that advertises a new 2016 production of The Shoe Horn Sonata for HSC students studying the play.
Your poster should use visual and language techniques in order to emphasise the purpose and power of the play. You may use quotes from the text and images sourced from the Internet, however, you should not use design elements or images from previous productions.
Part 2: Reflection (600 words)
You are to compose a reflection in which you:
1. Explain the purpose and power of the Distinctively Visual elements of Misto’s play.
2. Evaluate the effectiveness of your poster’s visual and language techniques in advertising the production of the play.
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 20, 2016, 08:58:37 pm
Hi,
I have an enjoy assignment due this tuesday but I'm not sure what to include in the poster and what to do, also whether to include quotes in these two questions and what kind. I know its late, but I have been doing other assignments due next week and just though of asking now :D I can also include the criteria if you would like.
Thanks!
Part 1: Poster Advertisement (1 A3 sheet)
“I do not have the power to build a memorial. So I wrote a play instead.” - Misto
Using the quote above as your focus, you are to create a poster that advertises a new 2016 production of The Shoe Horn Sonata for HSC students studying the play.
Your poster should use visual and language techniques in order to emphasise the purpose and power of the play. You may use quotes from the text and images sourced from the Internet, however, you should not use design elements or images from previous productions.
Part 2: Reflection (600 words)
You are to compose a reflection in which you:
1. Explain the purpose and power of the Distinctively Visual elements of Misto’s play.
2. Evaluate the effectiveness of your poster’s visual and language techniques in advertising the production of the play.
Hey there macemarija! Welcome to the forums!! ;D this actually looks really similar to an assignment I did in my preliminary year, happy to give a bit of a hand!
Okay, my first tip would be to do Part 2 first! It will help you lay out your understanding so you can represent it on the poster.
So Part 2(a) is the biggest part of this whole assignment. It wants you to explain what you feel is the purpose of your text, why was it composed? What message is trying to be conveyed? What themes are being explored? You are to explain your interpretation, and more importantly, explain how these themes are conveyed in a way which is distinctively visual. Basically, distinctively visual is best summarised from the syllabus:
In their responding and composing students explore the ways the images we see and/or visualise in texts are created.
Basically, how does the composer create images for the audience and how do they convey meaning to us an audience. And, yes, you should use quotes in this section. Treat it like a mini essay.
Once you have this set in your head, you need to figure out HOW you can show the meaning you have discussed above in a visual poster. For my assignment, I needed to show how loving relationships can actually be damaging to the individual, as they often prove restrictive (this is the meaning I got from my text). To show this, I actually (true story) took a photo of my mum handcuffed to the sink. Added fancy filters. Framed the shot with good vectors, high angle shot, etc. So I crafted the meaning that way. My girlfriend got a better score, she took images and quotes and stitched them together (using visual and language techniques) to create her image. So you can do all sorts of stuff, but you MUST use techniques. And as the assignment says, you can use quotes if you wish.
Then, taking the techniques you used for the poster, address Part 2(b). Basically, this is just explaining the techniques you used, no textual references required here in my opinion ;D
So yep, that is how I would approach it! I hope these tips might help get you started, feel free to ask any follow up questions!! ;D
Post by: macemarija on May 21, 2016, 09:02:41 am
Than you for that great answer, I appreciate it. :) I have still got a few questions, what kind of quotes would I use for part 2 (a) and what kind of images and quotes could I use for my text. How would I spread it out on the A3 paper and using the quote that they have given us, would that need to be included in the poster?
Thanks!
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 21, 2016, 12:02:27 pm
Hi!
Than you for that great answer, I appreciate it. :) I have still got a few questions, what kind of quotes would I use for part 2 (a) and what kind of images and quotes could I use for my text. How would I spread it out on the A3 paper and using the quote that they have given us, would that need to be included in the poster?
Thanks!
Hey again! In terms of quotes, you need to use quotes that show the idea you find in the text through a technique. Just like you would for a regular essay. You should have gone through some of these in class! ;D
I would definitely use the quote they have given you (if you use a quote at all), since it does say "use it as your focus." Any other quotes you use in the poster should probably come from the text. In terms of how you lay it out and the images you use, the idea is to demonstrate visually the ideas that you identify in the text. The poster becomes visually representative of the concepts in the text. I can't really say how you should lay out the images or what quotes to use, because I don't know your text, and that would kind of just be doing the assignment for you, aha ;D
Hope this helps! Feel free to ask more questions if you need ;D
Post by: Chris_edwards on May 23, 2016, 07:19:47 pm
"A distinctive voice does not simply recount experience, it offers a perspective on experience that is important."
My texts are both speeches;
Aung San Suu Kyi Nobel Lecture (16 June 2012) and
Indira Gandhi, 'The True Liberation of Women’
I am having real issues starting this essay. Can anyone provide any sort of assistance?
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 23, 2016, 09:25:45 pm
The essay question is
"A distinctive voice does not simply recount experience, it offers a perspective on experience that is important."
My texts are both speeches;
Aung San Suu Kyi Nobel Lecture (16 June 2012) and
Indira Gandhi, 'The True Liberation of Women’
I am having real issues starting this essay. Can anyone provide any sort of assistance?
Hey Chris! Welcome to the forums! ;D
Is that the whole question attached? It is more of a rationale, the sentence that sits before the actual question. If you attach the full thing I can try and give you some more pointers!
However, what the rationale is saying is best considered against the English Standard Syllabus:
In their responding and composing, students consider various types and functions of voices in texts. They explore the ways language is used to create voices in texts, and how this use of language affects interpretation and shapes meaning. Students examine one prescribed text, in addition to other related texts of their own choosing that provide examples of distinctive voices.
Basically, what the rationale is saying is that a distinctive voice (as created through language techniques) accentuates the representation of perspectives/ideas in texts. By creating a 'voice' that the audience can relate to, the ideas/experiences that the composer presents are made more relatable to us. I'd wager your essay question will ask you, in some way shape or form, to explore this idea. So, to get you started, brainstorm some ideas! What is the composer trying to get across? What themes are being explored?
Then, try and shortlist some quotes from your speeches that create a distinctive voice. What has the speaker done to really accentuate themselves. Remember, this isn't about delivery, this is about the techniques within the speech that make it distinctive, and thus make the exploration of ideas unique. Shortlisting techniques and ideas would be a great start for any essay. Again, if you post the whole thing, I can give you some more help to get started!!
PS - Even if you aren't sure where to pop your question, don't spam it all over the place. It will get seen, promise!
Post by: Chris_edwards on May 23, 2016, 09:57:04 pm
Below is literally the whole assignment task. What I guess i'm looking for is kind of like a rough scaffold in how i should structure the essay and when to include the related text and the two prescribed texts. Hope you can help out
The Task
In class you will write an essay in response to the following question:
‘A distinctive voice does not simply recount experience, it offers a perspective on experience that is important.’
To what extent do you agree with this statement? Discuss how this is achieved in your prescribed text, the TED talk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0a61wFaF8A) and ONE other related text (my related text https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmVLcj-XKnM) of your own choosing.
You should refer to TWO of the speeches set for study, one of which must be the Nobel Lecture by Aung San Suu Kyi.
(the other one is Indira Gandi)
and
You are to watch the following clip The 7 secrets of the greatest speakers in history and integrate its insights on speech making into your essay (you do not need to write a STEEL paragraph on the clip, simply incorporate some of its ideas on the nature of speeches into your essay).
You must also have a related text in your response. It cannot be another speech.
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 23, 2016, 10:45:54 pm
Hey! Thanks heaps for replying, sorry I posted everywhere haha, wasn't sure where to put it up.
Below is literally the whole assignment task. What I guess i'm looking for is kind of like a rough scaffold in how i should structure the essay and when to include the related text and the two prescribed texts. Hope you can help out
The Task
In class you will write an essay in response to the following question:
‘A distinctive voice does not simply recount experience, it offers a perspective on experience that is important.’
To what extent do you agree with this statement? Discuss how this is achieved in your prescribed text, the TED talk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0a61wFaF8A) and ONE other related text (my related text https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmVLcj-XKnM) of your own choosing.
You should refer to TWO of the speeches set for study, one of which must be the Nobel Lecture by Aung San Suu Kyi.
(the other one is Indira Gandi)
and
You are to watch the following clip The 7 secrets of the greatest speakers in history and integrate its insights on speech making into your essay (you do not need to write a STEEL paragraph on the clip, simply incorporate some of its ideas on the nature of speeches into your essay).
You must also have a related text in your response. It cannot be another speech.
Hey again! Yep that's no worries at all! ;D okay, so take what I said above as a theme, this question is asking you to either agree or disagree with it. It wants your judgement on the theme, does it apply to your understanding or not (it probably will, it is usually easier to just agree with things like this).
In terms of ideas for structure, there are really two things you can do.
- One paragraph per text: This is probably the simplest structural idea. Each paragraph takes one of the three texts and evaluates how well a voice is created to communicate an idea or ideas. Techniques would be used, as would references to the TED talk that is mentioned.
- One idea per text: This is a little more sophisticated, but has the potential to be more effective. Basically, you take three common themes through the speeches and related text (justice or equality might be ideas based on your speakers). Each of these themes gets a paragraph, and you explore how ALL THREE texts explore the theme, contrasting how each creates a distinctive voice. This is trickier to do, but allows you to blend the three texts together more effectively, and creates a more conceptual response.
For both of these, your structure will revolve around a Thesis paragraph that sets up your argument and lays out the structure of your paragraphs. We have some great exemplar essays free to download, it might be worth having a look at some to see how they do it! Note I linked you to Advanced instead of Standard, you should be aspiring to match the sophistication you see in Advanced essays if you can! ;D
I hope this helps give you a rough picture of what your essay should look like!! ;D
Post by: Chris_edwards on May 25, 2016, 09:21:56 am
Voice in texts is one of the main ways that composers connect with their audiences to not only recount experience but to provide a unique perspective. Three texts that communicate distinctive voices and offer a perspective through personal experience is Aung San Suu Kyi’s Nobel Lecture, Indira Gandhi’ 'The True Liberation of Women’ and Julia Roberts ‘Nature is speaking.’ All three composers use a very feminist voice to get across their message.
(intro not 100% complete, im not sure that these texts are using a feminist voice so i'll come back to this)
The distinctive voice of Aung San Suu Kyi, engages with the audience and creates a sense of empathy and interest through exploring her experiences and feelings. The kairos of her speech is such that it engages with the audience in a deep and emotional level. The audience know that it is not the first time this award has been presented to her as her sons received it before her in 1991, while she was under house arrest. This causes special warmth and gratitude from the audience towards her, that she physically could not come to receive such a prestigious award. This kairos is supplemented by the use of the anecdote in “Desert Island Discs”, this anecdote raises the Buddhist theme of Karma and coincidence and the way the fate of an individual can play out. Aung San Suu Kyi herself is buddhist and there are several references to her religion throughout her speech. The plosive repetitive ‘p’ sound in the line “pleasant prospect, but quite improbable!” transmits her Buddhist values of karma. In the quote she is speaking of an improbable situation in the past which has now come true in the present because of her good actions throughout time. Being under house arrest and displaying her strong Buddhist values throughout this speech contribute greatly to how the audience portray her. As Richard Greene discusses in his TED talk ‘The 7 secrets of the greatest speakers in history’ it is only 7% of the speaker’s voice that actually
Link to TED talk
Similarly, the unique voice of Severn Cullis-Suzuki in her speech allows the audience to engage with her feelings and connect with her very youthful perspective on the world. By employing high modality, Suzuki is able to make her voice distinctive. An example of this youthful perspective can be seen in the quote, “To tell you adults you must change your ways.” The words “To tell you adults” clearly establishes that it is the younger generation talking to the older generation, and it is through the high modality of “You must” that a real call to action is put forth to the people in power. This youthful voice that Suzuki uses is further exemplified by clever persuasive Appeals. Suzuki appeals to the audience's’ pathos, ethos and logos by drifting between inclusive language and personal pronouns. The quotes “I am here to speak on behalf of the starving children around the world whose cries go unheard,”and “All this is happening before our eyes and yet we act as if we have all the time we want and all the solutions,” and “I'm only a child and I don't have all the solutions, but I want you to realize, neither do you!” show how Suzuki is drifting from using ‘I am’ to the words ‘We want,’ by using these powerful personal pronouns and inclusive language, allows the readers to connect with her on an emotional level. She also shows facts which helps prove her point. Through the whole speech this young girl talks about the right and the wrong things she sees in humanity, and how adults emphasize us to do the right thing in life when they don't act on their own words and how she sees it unfair.
Link to TED talk
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 26, 2016, 07:40:34 am
Ok, so ive done a bit of work on this. I have changed my related text to Severn Suzuki. Hope you can provide some feedback!
Hey Chris!! I sure can! Essay is attached with comments throughout ;D
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Voice in texts is one of the main ways that composers connect with their audiences to not only recount experience but to provide a unique perspective. Three texts that communicate distinctive voices and offer a perspective through personal experience is Aung San Suu Kyi’s Nobel Lecture, Indira Gandhi’ 'The True Liberation of Women’ and Julia Roberts ‘Nature is speaking.’ All three composers use a very feminist voice to get across their message. Good introduction!! I'd like to see you up the sophistication a bit with some more clever word choice, and further, remove phrases like "a very feminist voice." "A very" isn't sophisticated language, and it's a little off grammatically as well, try and work on the expression. Finally, I'd like to see an integration of some common themes that link these three texts, but I'd wager this will come through as you explore the feminist voice aspect.
The distinctive voice of Aung San Suu Kyi, engages with the audience and creates a sense of empathy and interest through exploring her experiences and feelings. Try and be a bit more specific here. What messages is she trying to convey? Talking about her "experiences and feelings" is vague, try and come up with specific themes and morals she is seeking to communicate. The kairos of her speech is such that it engages with the audience in a deep and emotional level. Is 'kairos' a literary term? The audience know that it is not the first time this award has been presented to her as her sons received it before her in 1991, while she was under house arrest. This causes special warmth and gratitude from the audience towards her, that she physically could not come to receive such a prestigious award. Good link to context, however, be more succinct. This could be compressed into one sentence, try and focus on punchy sentences with effective word choice. This kairos is supplemented by the use of the anecdote in “Desert Island Discs”, this anecdote raises the Buddhist theme of Karma and coincidence and the way the fate of an individual can play out. Aung San Suu Kyi herself is buddhist and there are several references to her religion throughout her speech. The plosive repetitive ‘p’ sound in the line “pleasant prospect, but quite improbable!” transmits her Buddhist values of karma. In the quote she is speaking of an improbable situation in the past which has now come true in the present because of her good actions throughout time. You don't need to recount the speeches specifics in this way: Your focus is on analysis and (depending on the question) evaluation. Assume the reader has read the speech and knows about its context. Being under house arrest and displaying her strong Buddhist values throughout this speech contribute greatly to how the audience portray her. As Richard Greene discusses in his TED talk ‘The 7 secrets of the greatest speakers in history’ it is only 7% of the speaker’s voice that actually
Link to TED talk
Similarly, the unique voice of Severn Cullis-Suzuki in her speech allows the audience to engage with her feelings and connect with her very youthful perspective on the world. Take out the "with her feelings and connect with" part of your sentence here, and I'm on board. Also, this isn't the composer you mention in the intro? By employing high modality, Suzuki is able to make her voice distinctive. An example of this youthful perspective can be seen in the quote, “To tell you adults you must change your ways.” The words “To tell you adults” clearly establishes that it is the younger generation talking to the older generation, and it is through the high modality of “You must” that a real call to action is put forth to the people in power. You've just spent 3 sentences discussing what could be discussed in one sentence. Again, focus on punchy word choice and sentences if you can. This youthful voice that Suzuki uses is further exemplified by clever persuasive Appeals. Suzuki appeals to the audience's’ pathos, ethos and logos by drifting between inclusive language and personal pronouns. The quotes “I am here to speak on behalf of the starving children around the world whose cries go unheard,”and “All this is happening before our eyes and yet we act as if we have all the time we want and all the solutions,” and “I'm only a child and I don't have all the solutions, but I want you to realize, neither do you!” show how Suzuki is drifting from using ‘I am’ to the words ‘We want,’ by using these powerful personal pronouns and inclusive language, allows the readers to connect with her on an emotional level. She also shows facts which helps prove her point. Through the whole speech this young girl talks about the right and the wrong things she sees in humanity, and how adults emphasize us to do the right thing in life when they don't act on their own words and how she sees it unfair.
Link to TED talk
The distinctive voice of Aung San Suu Kyi, engages with the audience and creates a sense of empathy and interest through exploring her experiences and feelings. Try and be a bit more specific here. What messages is she trying to convey? Talking about her "experiences and feelings" is vague, try and come up with specific themes and morals she is seeking to communicate. The kairos of her speech is such that it engages with the audience in a deep and emotional level. Is 'kairos' a literary term? The audience know that it is not the first time this award has been presented to her as her sons received it before her in 1991, while she was under house arrest. This causes special warmth and gratitude from the audience towards her, that she physically could not come to receive such a prestigious award. Good link to context, however, be more succinct. This could be compressed into one sentence, try and focus on punchy sentences with effective word choice. This kairos is supplemented by the use of the anecdote in “Desert Island Discs”, this anecdote raises the Buddhist theme of Karma and coincidence and the way the fate of an individual can play out. Aung San Suu Kyi herself is buddhist and there are several references to her religion throughout her speech. The plosive repetitive ‘p’ sound in the line “pleasant prospect, but quite improbable!” transmits her Buddhist values of karma. In the quote she is speaking of an improbable situation in the past which has now come true in the present because of her good actions throughout time. You don't need to recount the speeches specifics in this way: Your focus is on analysis and (depending on the question) evaluation. Assume the reader has read the speech and knows about its context. Being under house arrest and displaying her strong Buddhist values throughout this speech contribute greatly to how the audience portray her. As Richard Greene discusses in his TED talk ‘The 7 secrets of the greatest speakers in history’ it is only 7% of the speaker’s voice that actually
Link to TED talk
Similarly, the unique voice of Severn Cullis-Suzuki in her speech allows the audience to engage with her feelings and connect with her very youthful perspective on the world. Take out the "with her feelings and connect with" part of your sentence here, and I'm on board. Also, this isn't the composer you mention in the intro? By employing high modality, Suzuki is able to make her voice distinctive. An example of this youthful perspective can be seen in the quote, “To tell you adults you must change your ways.” The words “To tell you adults” clearly establishes that it is the younger generation talking to the older generation, and it is through the high modality of “You must” that a real call to action is put forth to the people in power. You've just spent 3 sentences discussing what could be discussed in one sentence. Again, focus on punchy word choice and sentences if you can. This youthful voice that Suzuki uses is further exemplified by clever persuasive Appeals. Suzuki appeals to the audience's’ pathos, ethos and logos by drifting between inclusive language and personal pronouns. The quotes “I am here to speak on behalf of the starving children around the world whose cries go unheard,”and “All this is happening before our eyes and yet we act as if we have all the time we want and all the solutions,” and “I'm only a child and I don't have all the solutions, but I want you to realize, neither do you!” show how Suzuki is drifting from using ‘I am’ to the words ‘We want,’ by using these powerful personal pronouns and inclusive language, allows the readers to connect with her on an emotional level. She also shows facts which helps prove her point. Through the whole speech this young girl talks about the right and the wrong things she sees in humanity, and how adults emphasize us to do the right thing in life when they don't act on their own words and how she sees it unfair.
Link to TED talk
Your textual reference and link to impact on the audience is really effective Chris! Many students have difficulty getting the impact on the audience into their response, and you've done it quite well, so excellent job there! You have a variety of textual references and links to personal context (for Suu Kyi), which is excellent, and structurally your response (thus far) is effective as well. Great stuff!
I would suggest two primary avenues for improvement at the moment. First, word choices and expression. You need to try and up the level of sophistication in your language, and part of this will come from being more succinct.
Let me give you an example. Consider this passage:
By employing high modality, Suzuki is able to make her voice distinctive. An example of this youthful perspective can be seen in the quote, “To tell you adults you must change your ways.” The words “To tell you adults” clearly establishes that it is the younger generation talking to the older generation, and it is through the high modality of “You must” that a real call to action is put forth to the people in power.
I can replace that with this without altering meaning, in fact, actually adding a little bit:
Suzuki's use of high modality language in addressing her much older audience is impressive to the responder, effectively enforcing her call to action “To tell you adults you must change your ways."
Little changes to word choice and sentence structure can massively reduce the amount of time you spend communicating an idea (big plus), increase sophistication, and give your ideas greater clarity. Practice makes perfect here, so keep working on that ;D
Secondly, a greater conceptual focus. Essentially what you are doing at the moment is discussing the effectiveness of the speakers in a quite generic way. I'd like to see you focus on how well they address specific themes (as you sort of touch on in your second paragraph). For example, for paragraph one, you could focus on how Suu Kyi draws on her personal religious context in order to create a distinctive voice through realistic personal character development. Something like that to give your ideas more focus. Without this, it feels a little 'unclear' what you are trying to convey.
On the whole, you do things really well in this essay, I'd love to see you tidy the expression a bit and develop your concepts, and you'll have the start of a really good essay! ;D great work Chris!
For future reference, you can post in our English Standard Marking Forum to receive feedback like this for any response you submit ;D
Post by: Ahmad123 on May 28, 2016, 06:27:46 pm
Post by: elysepopplewell on May 28, 2016, 07:29:29 pm
I need an erormous amount of improvement in English! on this page they say that you must "make your weakenss into your strengths". I am really bad in my language usage and most of the times i score 2 out of 6, tips to improve my lanugage would be much appreciated ;D
Hi there! Some of the fastest and most effective ways to become fluent in English is to watch plenty of movies, TV shows, and listen to plenty of music and the radio. The more often you are exposed to the language, you will pick it up more and more and becoming increasingly familiar with sentence structure.
Continually write in English. Write simple things - like what you did on the weekend. Then ask a fluent English speaker to assist with how you wrote these things until the way you form your sentences are perfect. Then we can turn your weakness into your strength!
Let me know what you think :)
Post by: Chris_edwards on May 30, 2016, 11:13:08 am
Hope to you hear from you soon
Regards
A person who is able to effectively deliver one’s own connotation of written words by bringing exceptional qualities to their voice gets the recognition of being a ‘distinctive voice’. A distinctive voice stands out for its own creation and conversion of the text to the speaker’s own personal experiences, predicaments, views and opinions to their audiences. These voices force their audiences to listen, get engaged, acknowledge, understand, think and develop a sense of empathy for the speaker. Composers Aung Suu Kyi, Severn Cullis-Suzuki and Julia Roberts all powerfully transform their recount of experiences into meaningful perspectives.
Aung San Suu Kyi’s heroic, experienced and mature voice invoked riveting arguments in justification for the ideal of universal human rights and the political construct that safeguards those rights. In an event hailed as the "Most remarkable in the entire history of the Nobel prizes", Aung San Suu Kyi, the Burmese democracy campaigner, delivered her acceptance speech for her peace prize in Oslo's vast City Hall more than two decades after it was awarded to her. Suu Kyi’s carefully chosen words in her acceptance speech are delivered with just the right mix of perfectly opted voice, tone and impressive body language allows her to enthral her audience. She has not used any hard figures or statistical data to relay the sufferings of her countrymen who believe in democracy and human rights, but instead employs inclusive language such as “endeavours of those”, “some of our warriors”, “best known detainees”, “many ethnic nationalities”. It is through this inclusive language of words like “We”, “Our” and “Us” that allows Aung San Suu Kyi to connect to the audiences ethos, they are made to feel like part of a group and inspired to take collective action. Richard Green, in his presentation ‘The 7 secrets of the greatest speakers in history,’ examines that speeches should not be overwhelmed with ‘data’ and ‘statistics’ but instead the manner and the style of the speaker weighs more importance. By not utilizing any statistical data, the rhetoric of Aung San Suu Kyi’s speech becomes even more compelling such that she uses her experienced and mature voice to push her audience to fight for their Human Rights. Through the use of inclusive language and the exclusion of statistical data, Aung San Suu Kyi is able to portray her powerful perspective on the political safeguards of Burma by powerfully retelling her experience.
Severn Suzuki’s youthful and energetic voice speaks about the endurance of her generation to experience the effects of climate change being brought about by the constant misuse and abuse of the bountiful natural resources by generations of humans. Vancouver native Severn Suzuki, 12 years old, took the microphone at the United Nations Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992. Within five minutes, she'd delivered a speech from her youthful perspective and is now popularly known as "The Girl Who Silenced the World.” An example of her youthful perspective can be seen in the extract, “To tell you adults you must change your ways.” Suzuki's use of high modality in addressing her much older audience is evident through the words “You must,” whilst the words “To tell you adults” clearly establishes that it is the younger generation talking to the older generation. It is through this tone that Suzuki puts forth a real call to action and challenges those in power. This high modal tone is supported by Suzuki’s use of facts and statistics and how she immediately connects these with her audience by using statements like “We are all a part of a family 5 billion strong”, “30 million species strong” making these hard facts real and appreciative. These connecting statements compels her audience to visualise the plight she is narrating and accept her fears on behalf of her whole generation. By using these connecting statements, Suzuki clearly establishes a very compelling message for her audience in that the safety of our planet is no joke. Here she establishes Richard Green’s 4th point in his presentation ‘The 7 secrets of the greatest speakers in history,’ by “establishing a clear and compelling message” she is able to appeal to the audiences logos and further persuade them to start taking drastic action. Through the use of high modality and apt connecting statements, Suzuki’s rhetoric blends Richard Green’s fourth secret to great affect as she is able to recount her experience and portray her perspective.
As part of an awareness campaign in which well known celebrities are used to create voices of nature, Julia Roberts represents ‘Mother Earth.’ Her wise and sophisticated voice speaks about how material reality poses stark limitations on our narcissistic desires. The narrator’s tone and language as she discusses humanity is very ominous and off-putting. Speaking with all the haughty disdain we’d associate with a Witch like character, Roberts scoffs at man as an insignificant and transient biological blip. “I have fed species greater than you,” she recounts. “And I have starved species greater than you.” Roberts employs chiasmus in “I don't need people but people need me,” creating a special artistic effect which transforms her recounted experience and places emphasis on what she wants to communicate. We can't wreck the only known habitable planet and expect it to magically fix itself. By adopting a very ominous tone and through employing a clever chiasmus, Julia Roberts is able to transform her recount experience into a unique perspective.
(conclusion)
Post by: elysepopplewell on May 30, 2016, 07:35:41 pm
Hey there, Here is my final Essay. It is missing the conclusion, I was hoping you could provide some help in how the conclusion needs to be written and what it needs to include. I have tried to integrate your previous feedback.
Hope to you hear from you soon
Regards
Hi Chris! I'm here to look at your essay with fresh eyes. If Jamon reads over this and sees something that he'd like to add, because he's looked at your work before, then he will! For now, a fresh pair of eyes might be really helpful for you, to get another perspective :)
A distinctive voice does not simply recount experience, it offers a perspective on experience that is important
Here is your essay, and I've put my own writing in bold font throughout:
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A person who is able to effectively deliver one’s own connotation of written words by bringing exceptional qualities to their voice gets receives the recognition of being a ‘distinctive voice’. A distinctive voice stands out for its own creation (this part of your work is jarring for me. Perhaps you mean, "creative construction..." and conversion of the text to the speaker’s own personal experiences, predicaments, views and opinions to their audiences. These voices force their audiences to listen, get become engaged, acknowledge, understand, think and develop a sense of empathy for the speaker. Composers Aung Suu Kyi, Severn Cullis-Suzuki and Julia Roberts all powerfully transform their recount of experiences into meaningful perspectives. This is looking really good! My only critiques are about the wording - make sure that everything you write, particularly in an introduction, describes exactly what you want it to. You want to give the marker a super clear vision.
Aung San Suu Kyi’s heroic, experienced and mature voice invoked riveting arguments in justification for the ideal of universal human rights and the political construct that safeguards those rights. In an event hailed as the "Most remarkable in the entire history of the Nobel prizes", Aung San Suu Kyi, the Burmese democracy campaigner, delivered her acceptance speech for her peace prize in Oslo's vast City Hall more than two decades after it was awarded to her. Suu Kyi’s carefully chosen words in her acceptance speech are delivered with just the right mix ofperfectly perfectly here doesn't offer a lot. It is your opinion, which could be strengthened if you were directly basing it off a feature of the tone (soft, loud, etc). opted voice, tone and impressive body language allows her to enthral her audience. She has not used any hard figures or statistical data to relay the sufferings of her countrymen who believe in democracy and human rights, but instead employs inclusive language such as “endeavours of those”, “some of our warriors”, “best known detainees”, “many ethnic nationalities”. It is through this inclusive language of words like “We”, “Our” and “Us” that allows Aung San Suu Kyi to connect to the audiences ethos, they are made to feel like part of a group and inspired to take collective action. Great! Richard Green, in his presentation ‘The 7 secrets of the greatest speakers in history,’ examines that speeches should not be overwhelmed with ‘data’ and ‘statistics’ but instead the manner and the style of the speaker weighs more importance. By not utilizing any statistical data, the rhetoric of Aung San Suu Kyi’s speech becomes even more compelling such that she uses her experienced and mature voice to push her audience to fight for their Human Rights. Through the use of inclusive language and the exclusion of statistical data, Aung San Suu Kyi is able to portray her powerful perspective on the political safeguards of Burma by powerfully retelling her experience. Your essay is brought back to it here, which is great! But, throughout the paragraph, we need references to the idea that the text relived an importance experience beyond just recounting. After each literary analysis, drop in the essay question and make a connection to it. This strengthens your essay so much!
I'd start this paragraph with a more explicit reference to the question at hand :) So by this I mean, talk about how the text goes from recount to important experience, rather than giving a plot outline :)Severn Suzuki’s youthful and energetic voice speaks about the endurance of her generation to experience the effects of climate change being brought about by the constant misuse and abuse of the bountiful natural resources by generations of humans. Vancouver native Severn Suzuki, 12 years old, took the microphone at the United Nations Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992. Within five minutes, she'd delivered a speech from her youthful perspective and is now popularly known as "The Girl Who Silenced the World.” An example of her youthful perspective can be seen in the extract, “To tell you adults you must change your ways.” Suzuki's use of high modality in addressing her much older audience is evident through the words “You must,” whilst the words “To tell you adults” clearly establishes that it is the younger generation talking to the older generation. It is through this tone that Suzuki puts forth a real call to action and challenges those in power. This high modal tone is supported by Suzuki’s use of facts and statistics and how she immediately connects these with her audience by using statements like “We are all a part of a family 5 billion strong”, “30 million species strong” making these hard facts real and appreciative. These connecting statements compels her audience to visualise the plight she is narrating and accept her fears on behalf of her whole generation. By using these connecting statements, Suzuki clearly establishes a very compelling message for her audience in that the safety of our planet is no joke. Here she establishes Richard Green’s 4th point in his presentation ‘The 7 secrets of the greatest speakers in history,’ by “establishing a clear and compelling message” she is able to appeal to the audiences logos and further persuade them to start taking drastic action. Through the use of high modality and apt connecting statements, Suzuki’s rhetoric blends Richard Green’s fourth secret to great affect as she is able to recount her experience and portray her perspective. I think you've done a good job here in talking about the text, techniques and effect. I think you need to work on making an explicit link to the idea that the composer isn't just recounting, but is in fact doing so so much more than that. The essay question is really great here, because it suits the module so well. So it isn't too difficult to weave through your response when you consciously think about it after each and every sentence. You will see so many little pockets to weave it in!
As part of an awareness campaign in which well known celebrities are used to create voices of nature, Julia Roberts represents ‘Mother Earth.’ Her wise and sophisticated voice speaks about how material reality poses stark limitations on our narcissistic desires. The narrator’s tone and language as she discusses humanity is very ominous and off-putting. Speaking with all the haughty disdain we’d associate with a Witch like character, Roberts scoffs at man as an insignificant and transient biological blip. “I have fed species greater than you,” she recounts. “And I have starved species greater than you.” Roberts employs chiasmus in “I don't need people but people need me,” creating a special artistic effect which transforms her recounted experience and places emphasis on what she wants to communicate. We can't wreck the only known habitable planet and expect it to magically fix itself. By adopting a very ominous tone and through employing a clever chiasmus, Julia Roberts is able to transform her recount experience into a unique perspective.
Aung San Suu Kyi’s heroic, experienced and mature voice invoked riveting arguments in justification for the ideal of universal human rights and the political construct that safeguards those rights. In an event hailed as the "Most remarkable in the entire history of the Nobel prizes", Aung San Suu Kyi, the Burmese democracy campaigner, delivered her acceptance speech for her peace prize in Oslo's vast City Hall more than two decades after it was awarded to her. Suu Kyi’s carefully chosen words in her acceptance speech are delivered with just the right mix of
I'd start this paragraph with a more explicit reference to the question at hand :) So by this I mean, talk about how the text goes from recount to important experience, rather than giving a plot outline :)Severn Suzuki’s youthful and energetic voice speaks about the endurance of her generation to experience the effects of climate change being brought about by the constant misuse and abuse of the bountiful natural resources by generations of humans. Vancouver native Severn Suzuki, 12 years old, took the microphone at the United Nations Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992. Within five minutes, she'd delivered a speech from her youthful perspective and is now popularly known as "The Girl Who Silenced the World.” An example of her youthful perspective can be seen in the extract, “To tell you adults you must change your ways.” Suzuki's use of high modality in addressing her much older audience is evident through the words “You must,” whilst the words “To tell you adults” clearly establishes that it is the younger generation talking to the older generation. It is through this tone that Suzuki puts forth a real call to action and challenges those in power. This high modal tone is supported by Suzuki’s use of facts and statistics and how she immediately connects these with her audience by using statements like “We are all a part of a family 5 billion strong”, “30 million species strong” making these hard facts real and appreciative. These connecting statements compels her audience to visualise the plight she is narrating and accept her fears on behalf of her whole generation. By using these connecting statements, Suzuki clearly establishes a very compelling message for her audience in that the safety of our planet is no joke. Here she establishes Richard Green’s 4th point in his presentation ‘The 7 secrets of the greatest speakers in history,’ by “establishing a clear and compelling message” she is able to appeal to the audiences logos and further persuade them to start taking drastic action. Through the use of high modality and apt connecting statements, Suzuki’s rhetoric blends Richard Green’s fourth secret to great affect as she is able to recount her experience and portray her perspective. I think you've done a good job here in talking about the text, techniques and effect. I think you need to work on making an explicit link to the idea that the composer isn't just recounting, but is in fact doing so so much more than that. The essay question is really great here, because it suits the module so well. So it isn't too difficult to weave through your response when you consciously think about it after each and every sentence. You will see so many little pockets to weave it in!
As part of an awareness campaign in which well known celebrities are used to create voices of nature, Julia Roberts represents ‘Mother Earth.’ Her wise and sophisticated voice speaks about how material reality poses stark limitations on our narcissistic desires. The narrator’s tone and language as she discusses humanity is very ominous and off-putting. Speaking with all the haughty disdain we’d associate with a Witch like character, Roberts scoffs at man as an insignificant and transient biological blip. “I have fed species greater than you,” she recounts. “And I have starved species greater than you.” Roberts employs chiasmus in “I don't need people but people need me,” creating a special artistic effect which transforms her recounted experience and places emphasis on what she wants to communicate. We can't wreck the only known habitable planet and expect it to magically fix itself. By adopting a very ominous tone and through employing a clever chiasmus, Julia Roberts is able to transform her recount experience into a unique perspective.
Overall you've done a great job here! Your paragraphs are sustained really well. The thing that will pull you down in marks is your relation to the set question. Aim to refer to it in the beginning, middle, and end of every paragraph. Twice in the middle if possible. So at least four times in a paragraph. This ties in all of your paragraphs with the same theme. This will boost the sophistication of your essay! :)
Post by: elysepopplewell on May 30, 2016, 07:48:53 pm
Hey there, Here is my final Essay. It is missing the conclusion, I was hoping you could provide some help in how the conclusion needs to be written and what it needs to include. I have tried to integrate your previous feedback.
Hope to you hear from you soon
Regards
(conclusion)
Sorry! I forgot to talk about your conclusion.
Here is a bit of a mini guide :)
You should first of all talk about the essay question without mentioning the texts. Then you should deal with each text in its own sentence and relate it to the question. Then on your very last sentence, sum it all up. You can mention the texts here if you want, or leave them out all together. Totally up to you :) Conclusions are really flexible - just remember it is the last taste of your writing that a marker will have - so you want to make it a good taste! :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 30, 2016, 11:04:21 pm
Sorry! I forgot to talk about your conclusion.
Here is a bit of a mini guide :)
You should first of all talk about the essay question without mentioning the texts. Then you should deal with each text in its own sentence and relate it to the question. Then on your very last sentence, sum it all up. You can mention the texts here if you want, or leave them out all together. Totally up to you :) Conclusions are really flexible - just remember it is the last taste of your writing that a marker will have - so you want to make it a good taste! :)
Happy 200th post Elyse! ;D
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 30, 2016, 11:07:59 pm
Happy 200th post Elyse! ;D
Happy 450th post Jamon!
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 30, 2016, 11:08:11 pm
Happy 450th post Jamon!
Thanks Jamon! ;)
Post by: katherine123 on June 07, 2016, 08:10:35 pm
Question: Transitions can inform, challenge or change an individual’s understanding of themselves and the world around them. Discuss this statement with close reference to your prescribed text and one other related text
Transitions into a new world may be confronting due to the challenges that individuals may encounter. However, they can ultimately overcome them as these processes inform, challenge and change their understanding of themselves and the world which enables them to experience growth and change.
Post by: jamonwindeyer on June 07, 2016, 08:15:07 pm
Can you check whether my thesis in my intro is fine?
Question: Transitions can inform, challenge or change an individual’s understanding of themselves and the world around them. Discuss this statement with close reference to your prescribed text and one other related text
Transitions into a new world may be confronting due to the challenges that individuals may encounter. However, they can ultimately overcome them as these processes inform, challenge and change their understanding of themselves and the world which enables them to experience growth and change.
Hey Katherine!! I think this works well, I'd perhaps like to see you be a little more specific about the challenges the individuals encounter, and if you wanted to be a little more succinct you could put these two sentences together with some punchier word choices (instead of inform, challenge and change, pick one word that summarises them all for you), but I like the direction you are heading in :D
Post by: katherine123 on June 07, 2016, 10:31:57 pm
Question : When transitioning into a new world, communication plays an important part in forming and reforming interactions. Discuss this statement with close reference to your prescribed text and one other related text
Intro: Individuals may be constrained in their old world due to self and other’s preconceived values and beliefs. Thus, communication is significant as it forms and reforms interaction which leads to the reshaping of one’s attitudes and beliefs. This notion is conveyed in the film, Billy Elliot, directed by Stephen Daldry, as it portrays a boy’s transition into the world of dance as his potential is informed due to his social interactions with others. Similarly, Tim Winton’s short story, Big World, explores the narrator’s process of maturation as his communication with others leads him to redefines the value of the restrictive nature of friendship and pursues his own aspirations. Both texts encapsulate individuals navigating their ways into a broader world by communicating with others which leads them to attain new attitudes and beliefs.
Thesis: Transition into a new world may involve adversities that trap individuals in a state of hesitancy, however they are able to gain support during the process through communication with others.
Thesis: Transition often involves encountering constraining socially inscribed conventions. Hence, communication with others is significant as it allows them to renew their preconceived attitudes and beliefs which enables them to transcend these barriers.
Post by: jamonwindeyer on June 07, 2016, 10:58:25 pm
Can you check my thesis and intro thanks :)
Question : When transitioning into a new world, communication plays an important part in forming and reforming interactions. Discuss this statement with close reference to your prescribed text and one other related text
Intro: Individuals may be constrained in their old world due to self and other’s preconceived values and beliefs. Thus, communication is significant as it forms and reforms interaction which leads to the reshaping of one’s attitudes and beliefs. This notion is conveyed in the film, Billy Elliot, directed by Stephen Daldry, as it portrays a boy’s transition into the world of dance as his potential is informed due to his social interactions with others. Similarly, Tim Winton’s short story, Big World, explores the narrator’s process of maturation as his communication with others leads him to redefines the value of the restrictive nature of friendship and pursues his own aspirations. Both texts encapsulate individuals navigating their ways into a broader world by communicating with others which leads them to attain new attitudes and beliefs.
Thesis: Transition into a new world may involve adversities that trap individuals in a state of hesitancy, however they are able to gain support during the process through communication with others.
Thesis: Transition often involves encountering constraining socially inscribed conventions. Hence, communication with others is significant as it allows them to renew their preconceived attitudes and beliefs which enables them to transcend these barriers.
Hey Katherine!!
The intro works really really well, though I'd add a list of what each paragraph will cover. I'd also change "their old world" to something about being locked in their old perspectives of self and the world (raise the sophistication slightly), and then in the following sentence, change "significant" to something else, perhaps "vital," significant is a little vague in its intention. But yep, works really well!
First Thesis is great in its ideas, but the wording could be improved. The "however, they are able to gain support during the process" is the bit I look at, move communication to the START of that clause since it is the focus, EG - "with communication being the primary means of support", or something like that.
Second Thesis, I get lost in the wording a bit. This part, "encountering constraining socially inscribed conventions," doesn't quite make sense, try adjusting it a tad. Then, in the next bit, choose a better word than "significant" (significant how?). Besides this, again works well!!
Hope this helps ;D
Post by: itswags98 on June 29, 2016, 10:45:33 am
Anyone have any ideas for related material for Module C: Exploring Interactions.
My core text is A Man with Five Children.
Faaaaannkksss
Post by: elysepopplewell on June 30, 2016, 09:35:38 am
Hola!
Anyone have any ideas for related material for Module C: Exploring Interactions.
My core text is A Man with Five Children.
Faaaaannkksss
Hey! Great question. Consider Tim Winton's short story Neighbours, or his short story, DIstant Lands. You'll find them in his anthologies: Minimum of Two, and Scission. They both deal with interactions really well. Particularly Neighbours. Otherwise consider the book "When the Wind Blows" by Raymond Briggs. The interaction between husband and wife, and the government, is really great. It's a big graphic novel that's the size of one of the picture books you might have read when you were younger (like A4+ in size). Let me know what you think :)
Post by: tahmina on July 07, 2016, 02:21:25 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 07, 2016, 02:28:39 pm
hey guys just a quick question ? for the AOS essay is it out of 15 in the hsc swell ?
Sure is! And the module essays are out of 20 ;D
Post by: tahmina on July 07, 2016, 02:30:11 pm
Post by: tahmina on July 07, 2016, 02:32:14 pm
okay thank you :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 07, 2016, 02:34:33 pm
okay thank you :)
A little tip Tahmina, say you wanted to reply to my response and make it clear who you are talking to. You can do this by "quoting" the post you are replying to, just like I've done here (notice your post in blue just above).
To do this, click Quote on the top right of the post you want to quote. This will insert it as a quote at the start of your message and you can then respond accordingly ;D feel free to test it with this post!
Post by: itswags98 on July 15, 2016, 11:27:08 pm
After choosing 3 concepts and another 3 concepts from my related text, would that be enough content for the essay? Thanks :D
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 15, 2016, 11:44:39 pm
So for the Module C: Exploring Interactions, my essay question is how are attitudes and beliefs challenged in your texts. How do i approach this question, what should i be looking for in terms of concepts etc. Our core text involves some very different ideas i guess (Aboriginal nationality, Sexuality - Ethical and Moral) etc. Are these the type of stuff i should be focusing on?
After choosing 3 concepts and another 3 concepts from my related text, would that be enough content for the essay? Thanks :D
Hey itswags!!
So yep, it sounds like you are on the right track!! ;D you've pulled some interesting concepts from your core text already, which is fabulous. Basically, I would be looking for 3 ideas which are explored in both your core text and the ORT of your choice. There must be overlap! This ensures you can compare and contrast how that idea is treated between them.
Your question demands you explore how our assumptions/attitudes are challenged by the composers through their text. For example, how do the two texts challenge our perceptions of indigenous spirituality, that could be a paragraph! Note that when I say how, I'm referring to techniques! What techniques does the composer use to challenge those attitudes? How well does that work?
You are definitely moving in the right direction and already have some great concepts. Now aim to find the overlap for your ORT, look for 3 distinct ideas to discuss! ;D
Post by: caitlynlee on July 18, 2016, 11:29:41 am
Post by: MaxSteel11 on July 18, 2016, 11:56:17 am
Thanks you
Post by: Septemberblue on July 18, 2016, 05:52:33 pm
Post by: elysepopplewell on July 18, 2016, 06:03:01 pm
Hello, I have a Question just based on Standard English, for my upcoming HSC Trials. What is the best way to prepare, plan and writing a creative writing pieced based on a stimulus which the exam paper provides you. If I could get help on this, this would help me a lot. This is for Discovery.
Thanks you
Hi there!
I went into my exam with a prepared piece of writing that was nearly completely memorised. I knew exactly which sections I could vastly manipulate to suit the stimulus if need be. By this I mean, I knew the sections that were kind of "reflection" paragraphs where I could change the thoughts my narrator had in order to reflect the stimulus. Also, I looked at past papers (even belonging ones) to look at the image stimuli and work out how I would approach that particular image. So I used every single image I could get my hands on in order to know many different variations for my creative, even though I wanted to stick as closely to my planned response as possible. I have friends who made up their creative entirely on the spot in the exam which is amazing, but it wasn't something I could do at all! I was too anxious to go in without a plan, so I went in with as much as possible prepared! You can incorporate a visual stimulus by talking about the colour, the salient image, turning it into a metaphor, or making the object in the image a literal object in your work! This required a lot of trial and error for me until I worked out where in my story was the safest place to incorporate a stimulus!
Post by: elysepopplewell on July 18, 2016, 06:08:09 pm
Does everybody have any suggestion for Module C related text, 'Exploring Transition'??? we are reading 'The Story of Tom Brennan'... Thank you :)
I haven't studied this myself, but I have a few suggestions!
Seamus Heaney's poem: Mid-term Break.
W B Yeats' poem: Among School Children
Ed Sheeran's song or video clip: Small bump
Home and Away: The picture book by John Marsden
Hopefully this either gives you a related text, or gives you an idea to bounce off!
Post by: Septemberblue on July 18, 2016, 06:11:25 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 18, 2016, 06:32:37 pm
Hey guys, ive been trying to use the english standard syllabus to write essay plans, but i dont understand the syllabus in order to write essay plans >.< has anyone else gotten over this problem, or what are you guys doing?
Hey Caitlyn!! Welcome to the forums!! Be sure to let me know if you need any help finding things ;D
What sections of the syllabus are you looking at trying to formulate essay plans? It might be a little tricky, the syllabus can be quite broad, but eager to help if I can! Just let me know exactly what you are looking at and I'll help you understand it ;D
PS: A great way to prepare for essays and prepare plans for potential questions is to take a look at past questions! It's a great way to see the sort of thing you are likely to be up against ;D
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 18, 2016, 06:38:56 pm
Can anyone give me an idea for creative writing for discovery?, i'd been trying to adapt into the charcaters i'd created in the first exam but i don't think it is working out well. So i am trying to adapt into a character before my HSC....Anyone got any ideas??????????????????? Thank you
There are a few places you can go to get some inspiration on our site (do lots of wider reading as well) ;D
Our Creative Writing Marking Thread has some awesome pieces written by students, with feedback. Have a flick through a couple and you might be inspired!! Don't copy someones idea, obviously, but it's a great place to get some inspiration. EG, see a story about a Muslim immigrant to Australia, try doing something similar with a Muslim immigrant to Europe. Put your spin on it!
Also check out this Band 6 creative written by Elyse!
Besides this, be sure to read lots of books, take a characters situation and adapt it a little to make a short story. Take a modern political situation and turn it into a Creative. The world is quite literally your oyster!!
PS: I love that you want to develop a character before developing a story. For the HSC I didn't have a memorised story, but I had a character that I'd written about heaps in several key ways, I think it's a great way to "prepare" in a broad sense ;D
Post by: kaufoou on July 18, 2016, 08:56:46 pm
Also my exam may be on Wednesday..... so maybe not a novel? :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ sorry....
Post by: elysepopplewell on July 18, 2016, 11:14:09 pm
any suggestions for Module C: Exploring Transitions related texts? Prescribed is Stephen Daldry's Billy Elliot
Also my exam may be on Wednesday..... so maybe not a novel? :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ sorry....
Key word: My exam MAY be on Wednesday! :P
Have a look at these:
Seamus Heaney's poem: Mid-term Break.
W B Yeats' poem: Among School Children
Ed Sheeran's song or video clip: Small bump
Home and Away: The picture book by John Marsden
:)
Post by: kaufoou on July 29, 2016, 09:33:01 am
Key word: My exam MAY be on Wednesday! :P
Have a look at these:
Seamus Heaney's poem: Mid-term Break.
W B Yeats' poem: Among School Children
Ed Sheeran's song or video clip: Small bump
Home and Away: The picture book by John Marsden
:)
Thank you so much ;D
These were all great, especially Home and Away
Post by: Ahsun on July 29, 2016, 06:33:47 pm
Thanks
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 29, 2016, 08:22:15 pm
This might be a little bit dumb but i am struggling in creating thesis and topic sentences in essays can someone help me or guide on how to write a thesis and topic sentence cause i just cant do it i do not know why
Thanks
Hey Ahsun! Definitely not dumb, that is probably the hardest bit of writing essays ;D
So I can't give you a guide on writing a Thesis, because obviously it depends on the essay you want to write, but your Thesis is essentially the big message of your essay. If someone asked, "What's your essay about?," then your Thesis should more or less answer that. They are also, usually, highly conceptual and don't mention your texts (that comes later). For example, for the AoS, a Thesis could be:
Self discovery is a challenge to an individuals sense of self worth which can either be accepted or rejected.
Your topic sentences are similar, but they have to fall within the greater category of your Thesis. Besides that, the approach is similar! An example:
Individuals often reject opportunities for self development based on prior negative experiences of discovery.
This is its own concept, but it still fits within the greater concept of your Thesis.
In general, these sentences should be worded clearly (no super intricate wordplay), make no references to the text, and beyond everything, actually reflect what you want to discuss! Don't use some crazy conceptual statement because it sounds good then have no idea how to back it up. Think, "What do I want to say in this paragraph?", and write that :D
It may be worth checking out some sample essays in our Notes Section to see what an effective Thesis/topic sentence looks like! ;D besides that, just try writing a few and get some feedback. Practice makes perfect after all ;D
Post by: olivercutbill on August 15, 2016, 09:38:46 pm
Hey just a question about the reading section in the hsc and how to prepare for it and do you figure out the techniques during reading time or after written area of study essay. Would the best study for it just lots of past reading papers. Thankyou :)
Apparently, (unfortunately I don't have the source here) paper 1 is designed to be done in order. This is because the level of understand and depth of knowledge increases as you progress through the paper. This being said, I'll always do section 1 first, and then based on the stimulus and the question, I'll do the harder one first.
Post by: Ahsun on September 28, 2016, 11:49:55 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on September 28, 2016, 11:54:18 pm
Can you use the same related text for aos and then one of your essays in the second paper?
Hey! You definitely can! ;D
Post by: cherryred on September 30, 2016, 08:28:32 am
I am studying the movie The Black Balloon by Elissa Down as my prescribed text for Mod C Exploring Interactions. I am however questioning my related text choice at this stage cause I have heard teachers say that students must not use the same medium for their related and prescribed text. Sadly, my related text is a movie too and I got 17/20 for the trials for it and not an 18 or 19. But any suggestions on potential related texts would be really appreciated!!!!! :)
THANK YOU!!!
Post by: kevin217 on October 01, 2016, 11:22:03 pm
Hey,
I am studying the movie The Black Balloon by Elissa Down as my prescribed text for Mod C Exploring Interactions. I am however questioning my related text choice at this stage cause I have heard teachers say that students must not use the same medium for their related and prescribed text. Sadly, my related text is a movie too and I got 17/20 for the trials for it and not an 18 or 19. But any suggestions on potential related texts would be really appreciated!!!!! :)
THANK YOU!!!
I do Exploring Transitions so this may be a different circumstance entirely but I've decided to write about my related for AOS for Mod C as well. See if your related AOS is able to fit well and it could be an option. Or is this just a bad idea in general?
Post by: cherryred on October 02, 2016, 03:53:23 pm
Post by: elysepopplewell on October 04, 2016, 02:49:27 pm
Hey,
I am studying the movie The Black Balloon by Elissa Down as my prescribed text for Mod C Exploring Interactions. I am however questioning my related text choice at this stage cause I have heard teachers say that students must not use the same medium for their related and prescribed text. Sadly, my related text is a movie too and I got 17/20 for the trials for it and not an 18 or 19. But any suggestions on potential related texts would be really appreciated!!!!! :)
THANK YOU!!!
I cannot find anywhere on the BOSTES website that cautions against this! There seems to be a lot of rumours about what your related text can and cannot do, and not a lot of evidence to say why. My feeling is that if it doesn't say it on the BOSTES website anywhere, then they can't fairly mark you down for it - especially if they haven't warned you! If anyone else has anything to suggest otherwise, I'd be keen to know! But essentially, I think you are absolutely fine continuing with your related text! Ignore little rumours and hear-say :)
Post by: Daliaradosevic on October 05, 2016, 07:13:06 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 05, 2016, 07:21:50 pm
This may sound a little stupid however i'm still confused as to whats the difference b/w the thesis and Introduction of an Essay and what goes first etc? :)
Hey! Never has a stupid question been asked! ;D
So a Thesis and an Introduction are pretty interchangeable terms in some circumstances, but the idea I roll with is this. You need to start with a paragraph that sets up the main idea of your essay. That main idea is called your Thesis, and that paragraph is called your Introduction. Normally, you start your introduction with your Thesis! ;D that introduction paragraph should also introduce your texts, and list what your essay paragraphs will discuss ;D
Post by: Daliaradosevic on October 05, 2016, 07:26:54 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 05, 2016, 09:57:59 pm
Oh that makes that much more sense thanks! also just would like to know as a standard english student is it better of having a simple one-two sentence thesis or the so called double barreled one?
No worries! Whichever works better for you to be honest, I'd advise no differently based on whether you are Standard or Advanced! ;D two sentence Thesis statements can add an extra level of sophistication, but they can also be a bit waffly/repetitious, so whichever you like! ;D
Post by: sanj123 on October 06, 2016, 07:44:59 pm
Post by: elysepopplewell on October 06, 2016, 10:44:54 pm
Distinctive voices is my module and my prescribed text is Komninos by the Kupful it has six poems so i was wondering when writing an essay should i just focus on two poems or do i embed other as well?
Typically with poems, you just need to focus on two! You have the option to bring in more if it suits, but I always went into my poetry studies with the intention of writing in depth about two poems :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 06, 2016, 11:34:52 pm
Distinctive voices is my module and my prescribed text is Komninos by the Kupful it has six poems so i was wondering when writing an essay should i just focus on two poems or do i embed other as well?
Welcome to the forums sanj123! Let me know if you need help finding anything! ;D
Post by: sanj123 on October 07, 2016, 08:59:07 am
Typically with poems, you just need to focus on two! You have the option to bring in more if it suits, but I always went into my poetry studies with the intention of writing in depth about two poems :)What is typical in depth response about two
Post by: sanj123 on October 07, 2016, 09:08:55 am
Thank you for the welcome to this chat. One more thing for the discovery essay i have two related text and one paragraph on each should i keep it our just use one related text and 2 paragraphs on it.
Thank you
Post by: elysepopplewell on October 07, 2016, 09:34:39 am
What is typical in depth response about two
As in, focus on two for your paragraphs. Talk about them in focus. You can choose to only talk about two, or you can talk about two thoroughly and then support your argument with points from other poems if you feel like it would add to your response. But, there isn't any requirement that I know of in the Standard course that requires you to talk about all poems, but instead, just two or three in detail in an essay.
Hi,
Thank you for the welcome to this chat. One more thing for the discovery essay i have two related text and one paragraph on each should i keep it our just use one related text and 2 paragraphs on it.
Thank you
This is up to you - if you think you can sustain two powerful paragraphs about the one related text, then I'd be inclined to do this if it means your analysis is stronger. If you think your analysis will be better sustained with two related texts that are compared and contrasted, then by all means, use two related texts :)
Post by: cherryred on October 07, 2016, 09:40:38 am
Is there a chance that BOSTES can again ask students to use two related texts for aos discovery...?
Thank you :)
Post by: ssarahj on October 07, 2016, 09:53:23 am
Hi,
Is there a chance that BOSTES can again ask students to use two related texts for aos discovery...?
Thank you :)
There's always a chance since the syllabus leaves it open to being asked for 2 related texts, HOWEVER I think it would be seen as fairly cruel and the standard of writing would inevitably drop. Also the new English syllabus does not require related texts, so since BOSTES is moving that way, it would be unlikely (but obviously still possible) that they would ask for 2 related texts this year :)
There was a discussion the forum a while back where people suggested using a text from the Unseen Texts section of Paper 1 if they needed a second related text for the essay, so that could be a good option if you don't have a second one prepared.
Post by: sanj123 on October 07, 2016, 10:04:55 am
This is up to you - if you think you can sustain two powerful paragraphs about the one related text, then I'd be inclined to do this if it means your analysis is stronger. If you think your analysis will be better sustained with two related texts that are compared and contrasted, then by all means, use two related texts :)
Soory but if it was to go in the hsc exam with two related and one paragraph on each and then in the exam said with one related what should i do
Post by: Nicki on October 07, 2016, 10:33:51 am
i just was wondering for paper 2, what is the best strategy to go in with in regards to the order you write your essays in?
as in do you do the modules that you are more confident with first since that would most likely be done quicker where you could maybe have time for the module you aren't as confident in or would you do the one your least confident with first to get it over with?
thanks :)
Post by: ssarahj on October 07, 2016, 11:21:06 am
hey!
i just was wondering for paper 2, what is the best strategy to go in with in regards to the order you write your essays in?
as in do you do the modules that you are more confident with first since that would most likely be done quicker where you could maybe have time for the module you aren't as confident in or would you do the one your least confident with first to get it over with?
thanks :)
Hey Nicki! I think it mostly comes down to personal preference as well as what the actual questions are on the day.
I personally prefer to do my weakest essay first so I can just get it over with, and then finish with my strongest one. If you're more confident with an essay you're more likely to be able to write it faster and more coherently under pressure. So my plan would be to go in and do Mod A >> Mod B >> Mod C.
However for example if the question for Mod B looked particularly difficult and Mod A looked easy, I may switch the order a bit when I'm in the exam. :) :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 07, 2016, 11:35:27 am
Soory but if it was to go in the hsc exam with two related and one paragraph on each and then in the exam said with one related what should i do
Hey! If the question said for at least one related text, just use both! If it said with one related text, you'd unfortunately just have to pick your favourite and try and stretch it out to two paragraphs! :)
Post by: sanj123 on October 07, 2016, 11:39:14 am
Hey! If the question said for at least one related text, just use both! If it said with one related text, you'd unfortunately just have to pick your favourite and try and stretch it out to two paragraphs! :)Hi,
so should i prepare another paragraph for one of the related then to be safe? :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 07, 2016, 12:03:53 pm
Hi,
so should i prepare another paragraph for one of the related then to be safe? :)
Yep! That is probably the best course of action, if you have time! ;D
Post by: sanj123 on October 07, 2016, 12:15:21 pm
Yep! That is probably the best course of action, if you have time! ;DThanks jamonwwindeyer, elysepopplewell and everyone else for clarifing my doubts. I would like to thank atar notes for creating this forum. :) :D
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 07, 2016, 12:18:00 pm
Thanks jamonwwindeyer, elysepopplewell and everyone else for clarifing my doubts. I would like to thank atar notes for creating this forum. :) :D
Happy to be of help!! ;D
Post by: elysepopplewell on October 07, 2016, 12:22:50 pm
Hi,
so should i prepare another paragraph for one of the related then to be safe? :)
That seems to be the safest course of action in my perspective! For not a lot of effort, you could be guaranteeing serious marks for the prep of another paragraph :)
Post by: sanj123 on October 07, 2016, 12:31:14 pm
That seems to be the safest course of action in my perspective! For not a lot of effort, you could be guaranteeing serious marks for the prep of another paragraph :)Thanks i will get to that right away then :(
This may be a dumb question but with paper 1 any strategies on which section to start and approximately how long on each section
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Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 07, 2016, 12:45:20 pm
Thanks i will get to that right away then :(
This may be a dumb question but with paper 1 any strategies on which section to start and approximately how long on each section
Not a dumb question at all! I normally started with the short answers, then the essay, and finished with my creative! This is because I could cut my creative shorter if I needed to, but it is harder to do that in the essay/short answers. Roughly, my times were probably:
Short Answer - 40 Minutes
Essay - 45 Minutes
Creative - 35 Minutes
:) :)
Post by: elysepopplewell on October 07, 2016, 12:49:20 pm
This may be a dumb question but with paper 1 any strategies on which section to start and approximately how long on each section
I followed Jamon's strategy as well, but I will add that I read nearly the entirety of the unseen texts in the reading time, so I only spent about 30 minutes on answering the unseen text questions. I used the reading time only for reading the unseen texts so that every moment of "writing" time was literally spent writing!
Post by: sanj123 on October 07, 2016, 12:54:15 pm
Not a dumb question at all! I normally started with the short answers, then the essay, and finished with my creative! This is because I could cut my creative shorter if I needed to, but it is harder to do that in the essay/short answers. Roughly, my times were probably:
Short Answer - 40 Minutes
Essay - 45 Minutes
Creative - 35 Minutes
:) :)
ok thanks so i should read the questions and texts in reading time and then answer the questions in 30 minutes and then use that extra time where i need to.Oh ok that helps alot. To finish section1 in 30 minutes does it come with alot of practice
Post by: elysepopplewell on October 07, 2016, 01:04:20 pm
ok thanks so i should read the questions and texts in reading time and then answer the questions in 30 minutes and then use that extra time where i need to.Oh ok that helps alot. To finish section1 in 30 minutes does it come with alot of practice
Not a lot - but some! Reading and analysing fast is the biggest skill, the writing speed is something that comes more naturally with your exam prep for all subjects!
Post by: sanj123 on October 07, 2016, 01:09:58 pm
Not a lot - but some! Reading and analysing fast is the biggest skill, the writing speed is something that comes more naturally with your exam prep for all subjects!thank you. so while reading you should already start analysing and starting thinking about your response
Post by: Nicki on October 07, 2016, 01:21:41 pm
ahh its scary stuff lol
Hey Nicki! I think it mostly comes down to personal preference as well as what the actual questions are on the day.
I personally prefer to do my weakest essay first so I can just get it over with, and then finish with my strongest one. If you're more confident with an essay you're more likely to be able to write it faster and more coherently under pressure. So my plan would be to go in and do Mod A >> Mod B >> Mod C.
However for example if the question for Mod B looked particularly difficult and Mod A looked easy, I may switch the order a bit when I'm in the exam. :) :)
Post by: dylan862 on October 07, 2016, 01:26:07 pm
So my essay has 8 quotes but a bulk amount of explanations. It adds up to about 5 pages handwritten. Is this a good structure or should I reduce the explanations for more quotes? I don't want to be trying to remember quotes on the day.
Post by: jakesilove on October 07, 2016, 01:27:46 pm
What is the difference between standard and adv?
I do adv and sometimes I think I shouldve done standard...
Hey! If you're in Year 12 right now, it's probably a bit late to think about the differences; you're in it now! Exams are less than a week away, so focus on what you're doing. If you're in Year 11 right now, going into year 12, then don't stress! If you find Advanced to not be to your liking, you can always change to Standard throughout the year :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 07, 2016, 01:28:59 pm
What is the difference between standard and adv?
I do adv and sometimes I think I shouldve done standard...
I agree with Jake! But for the benefit of anyone interested, the main difference is in:
- The rationale behind your examination of the texts
- Advanced does Shakespeare
Realistically the courses are virtually identical, differentiated only by the fact that Advanced students must actually be writing at a higher standard to do well in Paper 2 ;D
Post by: jakesilove on October 07, 2016, 01:32:29 pm
Hey guys
So my essay has 8 quotes but a bulk amount of explanations. It adds up to about 5 pages handwritten. Is this a good structure or should I reduce the explanations for more quotes? I don't want to be trying to remember quotes on the day.
I would say your structure sounds totally fine :) I would aim to remember a few more quotes, only because some of them may not be relevant on the day given the question. It's nice to have some 'back-up' quotes. That being said, sounds like you're totally on top of your essay plan; the bulk SHOULD be explanation, you just need enough quotes to 'prove' your thesis :)
Jake
Post by: dylan862 on October 07, 2016, 02:13:54 pm
What are the main things hsc markers look for in essays?
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Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 07, 2016, 02:20:47 pm
What is the difference between an A and B range essay? My teacher keeps telling me my essays are in the B range but doesn't say what exactly I need to do. They just say expand more but I've expanded heaps!! My essays are generally 3 pages long.
What are the main things hsc markers look for in essays?
Moderator Edit: Merged posts, use the 'Modify' button to avoid double posting :)
Your best bet here is to consult the marking criteria for the essay in question, check here for how last years AoS paper was marked, for example :) if you want specific feedback on your essays, you can post one here once you hit 15 posts and we'll let you know what we think!! ;D
Post by: dylan862 on October 07, 2016, 02:22:37 pm
Post by: :3 on October 07, 2016, 02:43:01 pm
Do advanced students get scaled better than advanced?
If you mean standard, then the answer would be yes.
Keep in mind, if you do exceptionally well in standard, then you'll be on equal par (or greater than) an advanced student doing relatively well.
Post by: jakesilove on October 07, 2016, 02:44:56 pm
Do advanced students get scaled better than advanced?
Don't worry about scaling; If you do better in Standard than Advanced, your marks will reflect that, despite scaling issues.
Post by: dylan862 on October 07, 2016, 02:52:55 pm
Post by: sarah.murphy on October 07, 2016, 03:14:56 pm
THANKS
"I lay on my bed waiting in my 'new' room. I named it 'the cave' cause it was so brown and dark"
Post by: jakesilove on October 07, 2016, 03:18:23 pm
Analysing Tom Brennan Quotes, can someone help me out with what techniques are in this quote and what ideas i can talk about in my essay
THANKS
"I lay on my bed waiting in my 'new' room. I named it 'the cave' cause it was so brown and dark"Page 13
Hey! Potentially, you can go into 'the cave' a bit more than the description given in the text. It may be brown and dark, but there are also connotations of being reclusive, loneliness, isolation etc. If that lends itself towards your thesis, you could analyse it in that sense!
Post by: sarah.murphy on October 07, 2016, 03:20:08 pm
Hey! Potentially, you can go into 'the cave' a bit more than the description given in the text. It may be brown and dark, but there are also connotations of being reclusive, loneliness, isolation etc. If that lends itself towards your thesis, you could analyse it in that sense!Ok Thanks
Quick Question...
How many quotes do you think are necessary for a good analysis and strong argument for Module C, The Story of Tom Brennan?
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Post by: jakesilove on October 07, 2016, 03:47:06 pm
Quick Question...
How many quotes do you think are necessary for a good analysis and strong argument for Module C, The Story of Tom Brennan?
I would generally recommend 8-15 quotes per essay, depending on the depth of analysis you're looking for. Make sure to have some extra quotes on the back burner in case the ones you learn don't quite match the essay question. People have very differing opinions on this though!
Post by: sarah.murphy on October 07, 2016, 03:51:05 pm
I would generally recommend 8-15 quotes per essay, depending on the depth of analysis you're looking for. Make sure to have some extra quotes on the back burner in case the ones you learn don't quite match the essay question. People have very differing opinions on this though!Ok, Thank you
Post by: karyn.mcdonald on October 07, 2016, 04:06:15 pm
just wondering if one of you could help me with my essay thesis and structure for Module A - Distinctively Visual?
I'm a bit worried about my thesis and topic sentences and whether I can adapt the structure to an HSC question (I'm just thinking if we were asked about context in relation to the DV i'd be completely stumped as to what to do!) Also do you think it's a good idea to use a quote of Henry Lawson's in my introduction?
Thesis + Intro:
Australia, through its landscape and diversity, provides scope for a vast range of differing human experiences; however, distinctively visual story-telling is pivotal in sharing these experiences and gaining knowledge from them. Through unique and vivid images, the harsh Australian environment, adversity, and human emotions are illustrated with a starkness that leaves a lasting impression on the responder. Henry Lawson, a well-known Australian author, who in 1899 wrote in The Bulletin; “If I could paint… my ambition would be to paint Australia as it is, and as it changes: pictures that Australians could look back through…”, utilises effective language in his short stories, ‘The Drover’s Wife’, and ‘In a Dry Season’, in order to allow his responders to visualise the experiences of his stereotypical characters. ‘The Strangers’, an extract from Kate Grenville’s novel The Secret River, also illustrates personal encounters through distinctively visual language devices. In all three texts, composers effectively portray the bleak Australian environment, various hardships, and human emotions; all elements through which one’s human experiences are shaped.
Paragraph 1: Topic sentence: The harsh and isolated environment of Australia is a key element portrayed by distinctive images to convey its influence on the experience of individuals associated with it.
Paragraph Two Topic Sentence: The ability to overcome adversity is essential in the process of forming and moulding one’s experiences. This factor is successfully revealed through unique images sketched by Lawson in ‘The Drover’s Wife’.
Paragraph Three Topic Sentence: Human experiences are also influenced by human emotions that emerge as consequence of hardship. These emotions may include fear and anxiety, or indifference, and are presented effectively through visual representations.
Conclusion:
Human experiences are characterised by surrounding environments, overcoming hardship, and human emotions. Henry Lawson in ‘The Drover’s Wife’ and ‘In a Dry Season’, and Kate Grenville in her extract ‘The Strangers’ from The Secret River, both effectively reveal to their readers each of these elements through the distinctively visual story-telling. It can be reckoned that distinctively visual is perhaps one of greatest tools in recreating human experiences in a vibrant memorable way that resonates with the reader.
Thanks so much ;)... really appreciate your time!
Post by: sanj123 on October 07, 2016, 04:29:07 pm
Analysing Tom Brennan Quotes, can someone help me out with what techniques are in this quote and what ideas i can talk about in my essay
THANKS
"I lay on my bed waiting in my 'new' room. I named it 'the cave' cause it was so brown and dark"Page 13
Moreover, the use of the metaphor and colour symbolism, “I named it the cave because it’s so dark and brown” creates a depressing voice and tone, which in turn suggests Tom’s anger and anger at cruel world of his grandmother’s house. However the ‘cave’ serves as a physical and metaphorical escape of Tom’s current world and it’s realities. The responder comes to an understanding that an individual’s experience of transitioning isn’t always a positive and comfortable one but can be rather negative and can cause harm to the individual but will allow the individual to understand new ideas of themselves.
Please don't copy word for word but you can surely use some of it :) :) :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 07, 2016, 04:55:41 pm
Hello moderators!
just wondering if one of you could help me with my essay thesis and structure for Module A - Distinctively Visual?
I'm a bit worried about my thesis and topic sentences and whether I can adapt the structure to an HSC question (I'm just thinking if we were asked about context in relation to the DV i'd be completely stumped as to what to do!) Also do you think it's a good idea to use a quote of Henry Lawson's in my introduction?
Thesis + Intro:
Australia, through its landscape and diversity, provides scope for a vast range of differing human experiences; however, distinctively visual story-telling is pivotal in sharing these experiences and gaining knowledge from them. Through unique and vivid images, the harsh Australian environment, adversity, and human emotions are illustrated with a starkness that leaves a lasting impression on the responder. Henry Lawson, a well-known Australian author, who in 1899 wrote in The Bulletin; “If I could paint… my ambition would be to paint Australia as it is, and as it changes: pictures that Australians could look back through…”, utilises effective language in his short stories, ‘The Drover’s Wife’, and ‘In a Dry Season’, in order to allow his responders to visualise the experiences of his stereotypical characters. ‘The Strangers’, an extract from Kate Grenville’s novel The Secret River, also illustrates personal encounters through distinctively visual language devices. In all three texts, composers effectively portray the bleak Australian environment, various hardships, and human emotions; all elements through which one’s human experiences are shaped.
I think this works really well! The quote works well, but I don't think it really communicates anything to further your ideas. It's not ineffective, but you could remove it and have your introduction work just as well. Besides this, good expression and good ideas, I think this works really well!
Paragraph 1: Topic sentence: The harsh and isolated environment of Australia is a key element portrayed by distinctive images to convey its influence on the experience of individuals associated with it.
This is a good topic sentence! It's a little vague though, what sort of influence does it have? Be sure to qualify this either here or later in the paragraph!
Paragraph Two Topic Sentence: The ability to overcome adversity is essential in the process of forming and moulding one’s experiences. This factor is successfully revealed through unique images sketched by Lawson in ‘The Drover’s Wife’.
Excellent! This is great! No suggestions.
Paragraph Three Topic Sentence: Human experiences are also influenced by human emotions that emerge as consequence of hardship. These emotions may include fear and anxiety, or indifference, and are presented effectively through visual representations.
Again, what influence does it have. Do these emotions restrict the individual in any way?
Conclusion:
Human experiences are characterised by surrounding environments, overcoming hardship, and human emotions. Henry Lawson in ‘The Drover’s Wife’ and ‘In a Dry Season’, and Kate Grenville in her extract ‘The Strangers’ from The Secret River, both effectively reveal to their readers each of these elements through the distinctively visual story-telling. It can be reckoned that distinctively visual is perhaps one of greatest tools in recreating human experiences in a vibrant memorable way that resonates with the reader.
Overall I think these set up your essay well! They are definitely general enough to be applied to a variety of questions! My overall comment would be to ensure that everything is connected to the module under a central concept. For you, this is going to be the human experience, and how aspects of the human experience are conveyed through distinctive visual images to resonate with responders. That bit in bold is what I'm missing, a REASON for the distinctive images. Besides that you've set up the core idea of the human experience well. Overall, I think this is a really great setup!
Post by: tahmina on October 07, 2016, 06:09:43 pm
Post by: sanj123 on October 07, 2016, 07:29:53 pm
can we use the same related text for two essays ! ?? ::)Yes :)
Post by: jakesilove on October 07, 2016, 07:31:52 pm
can we use the same related text for two essays ! ?? ::)
Definitely! I only used one related text for the entire Year 12 :_
Post by: RuiAce on October 07, 2016, 07:36:32 pm
Definitely! I only used one related text for the entire Year 12 :_Wot.
Post by: BPunjabi on October 07, 2016, 07:40:15 pm
Wot.
Yeah one related text... All im using
Post by: jakesilove on October 07, 2016, 07:41:59 pm
Wot.
I chose one related text, analysed it really really well (in that I bullshitted a hell of a lot of stuff) and used it in every single essay throughout the year. Take that, English. Boom
Post by: RuiAce on October 07, 2016, 07:42:52 pm
I chose one related text, analysed it really really well (in that I bullshitted a hell of a lot of stuff) and used it in every single essay throughout the year. Take that, English. BoomWow Jake. Did not see that from you lel
Post by: jakesilove on October 07, 2016, 07:46:16 pm
Wow Jake. Did not see that from you lel
You should read some of my essays. Literal bullshit on a page, using big words and complex themes. Teacher's frothed
Post by: BPunjabi on October 07, 2016, 07:46:46 pm
I chose one related text, analysed it really really well (in that I bullshitted a hell of a lot of stuff) and used it in every single essay throughout the year. Take that, English. Boom
Wow Respek 8)
Post by: sarah.murphy on October 07, 2016, 07:55:43 pm
Moreover, the use of the metaphor and colour symbolism, “I named it the cave because it’s so dark and brown” creates a depressing voice and tone, which in turn suggests Tom’s anger and anger at cruel world of his grandmother’s house. However the ‘cave’ serves as a physical and metaphorical escape of Tom’s current world and it’s realities. The responder comes to an understanding that an individual’s experience of transitioning isn’t always a positive and comfortable one but can be rather negative and can cause harm to the individual but will allow the individual to understand new ideas of themselves.Thank you!
Please don't copy word for word but you can surely use some of it :) :) :)
Post by: levendibigd on October 07, 2016, 08:07:20 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 07, 2016, 08:14:51 pm
Hi there, these forums must be going crazy so I'll try keep it short! In the HSC discovery rubric it states "In their responses and compositions, students examine, question and reflect and speculate on: (a) the ways in which exploring the concept of discovering may broad and deepen their understanding of themselves and their world and (b) their own experiences of discovery". How can I incorporate these aspects of discovery in my essay? In what way do I do so? Could you please provide a short example? Thank you in advance!
Hey hey! They sure are, we love it ;) these are things that you can tie into either your Thesis statements or your Creative!
The first one lends well to a Thesis:
Discovery is massively beneficial to an individuals outlook of the world, as the broadening of perspectives grants enhanced understanding of themselves and their environment.
The second one, your own experiences of Discovery, could tie into a Creative! An essay will never ask you to address that specifically :) I hope that helps!!
Post by: karyn.mcdonald on October 08, 2016, 09:41:42 am
So are these ok for Topic sentences 1 and 3? - I personally don't really like 3 at all. :-\
Paragraph 1 Topic sentence: The harsh and isolated environment of Australia is a key element portrayed by distinctive images to convey its severe impact on the experience of individuals associated with it.
Paragraph 3 Topic Sentence: Human experiences are also influenced by human emotions, which emerge as consequence of hardship, in a way that impacts negatively on the individual. These emotions may include fear and anxiety, or indifference, and are presented effectively through visual representations.
Also, when you say REASON for distinctive images, what exactly do you mean? is it something I would incorporate into my body paragraphs or do I add it to my intro and conclusion?
Also #2, if I the question was something like last year's q: Distinctive images offer a variety of perspectives on the world or 2012's: Interesting views on society are conveyed by the distinctively visual, how could I adapt my structure and thesis to fit?
Thnx so much 4 all this! really appreciate it! ;)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 08, 2016, 11:02:38 am
Thankyou so much Jamon!! seriously helpful 8) :)
So are these ok for Topic sentences 1 and 3? - I personally don't really like 3 at all. :-\
Paragraph 1 Topic sentence: The harsh and isolated environment of Australia is a key element portrayed by distinctive images to convey its severe impact on the experience of individuals associated with it.
Yep this works well, but I'd expect you to clarify what you mean by severely. If you are attaching negative connotations, be specific with that, severe doesn't necessarily mean positive or negative!
Paragraph 3 Topic Sentence: Human experiences are also influenced by human emotions, which emerge as consequence of hardship, in a way that impacts negatively on the individual. These emotions may include fear and anxiety, or indifference, and are presented effectively through visual representations.
I actually like this a lot! I think the idea is great, perhaps the expression in the first bit could do with a polish, maybe:
The human experience is often influenced more by bad times than good, with emotions that emerge in difficult times impacting negatively on the individual.
Hmm, that wasn't perfect either, but you get what I mean! Just keep trying the same thing in different ways until you find one that you like!
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Also, when you say REASON for distinctive images, what exactly do you mean? is it something I would incorporate into my body paragraphs or do I add it to my intro and conclusion?
Also #2, if I the question was something like last year's q: Distinctive images offer a variety of perspectives on the world or 2012's: Interesting views on society are conveyed by the distinctively visual, how could I adapt my structure and thesis to fit?
So when I say the REASON for them, I mean, what is the author trying to achieve? What are they trying to communicate? Why are they giving you that image in the first place, and why are they choosing to use an image to portray that idea? Every text is made with a purpose, and every technique is utilised (in this case to create a distinctive image) for a reason :)
Easy fixes for those questions:
2015: perspectives on the world -> perspectives on the Australian landscape
2012: interesting views on society -> interesting views on the Australian experience
You can see how I'm just redefining the key terms in my question to mean specific things, as suits me :) this is the approach you should take to adapting to any question! ;D
Post by: karyn.mcdonald on October 08, 2016, 12:36:43 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 08, 2016, 04:35:04 pm
Hi, I would appreciate if someone could tell me the technique used in this scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui8Y0Pqlg_4 when the close up of his face is crosscut with him running into his parents arms. (i thought flashback but it didnt actually happen... epiphany?)
Hey cclarkeey! Welcome to the forums! Let me know if I can lend a hand finding things! ;D
I'd be saying things you've already said: Close ups to create empathy for the characters, rapid crosscuts to create a sense of drama, theres voiceover and non-diegetic sound at play as well. But I think you picked up the main ones!! :)
Post by: jakesilove on October 09, 2016, 12:25:48 pm
Hi ! I do standard english and just wanted feedback on my module A essays, i wanted to know which essay/related text i should use for my exams will really appreciate your feedback ! :)
My new related text essay
https://docs.google.com/document/d/180XRy1YoHkKuYzX0LdMVQSxJHaRqja44i_lHK9HcIYs/edit?usp=sharing
My old related text essay
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17IWKvCfDSVj-o9sFLVAKK4v2OQ66nEtweKwVXbVt3CU/edit?usp=sharing
Hey! Just reposting the current rule for Essay marking :)
"Hi everyone! So exams are right around the corner, and unsurprisingly, there are a HEAP of people wanting feedback on essays/creatives. Given that demand is really high, it is only natural that we will need to increase the post requirement for the coming days, to make sure that our feedback remains of the highest possible quality. Thus, for all essays posted between now (this post) and this time next week, you will need 30 posts for every creative you would like marked. Note that this does not apply to things posted before this point, meaning no one is in post debt. It just means that creatives 'cost more' for the next week. We appreciate your understanding :)"
Post by: student123456 on October 10, 2016, 11:19:07 am
Yeah one related text... All im using
Which text?
Post by: BPunjabi on October 10, 2016, 12:38:24 pm
Which text?
For each module I am only doing one related.
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 10, 2016, 05:03:53 pm
Which text?
Welcome to the forums student123456!! Let me know if you need help finding things ;D
Post by: levendibigd on October 11, 2016, 08:42:20 pm
Post by: elysepopplewell on October 11, 2016, 09:14:35 pm
Hi there! How would you recommend studying/ memorising a piece of creative writing?
Scroll to the bottom here and you'll see some ideas :) Basically, writing, re-writing, and saying it out loud! Continually! Then give yourself a break, then jump back into it :)
Post by: cjrig on October 11, 2016, 10:54:07 pm
Post by: katherine123 on October 11, 2016, 11:54:12 pm
Topic sentence: Owen conveys his perspective that human conflict is futile by revealing the inconsistency between individuals' experience and societal beliefs and values concerning warfare and nationalism.
In my essay, how do i answer the ques without being repetitive? (please give another example of topic sentence)
Ques: Discoveries may be questioned or challenge when viewed from different perspectives and their worth may be reassesed over time.
Topic sentence: Discoveries may be questioned or challenged when viewed from different societal perspectives. This can lead individuals to reassess their worth in relation to their understanding and values.
Is this how I am suppose to reword the question in exam?
For the last ques of unseen texts, do i need to give a specific summary of what the texts are about in the intro or do i just need to briefly mention how the texts relate to the idea given in the ques (Text 2 presents that discoveries can uncover hidden truths within the family which leads to greater understanding of self-identity or Text 2 portrays Amy discovering her biological parents through others which leads her to gain a greater understanding of her identity)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 12, 2016, 12:12:38 am
Hi, i'm just wondering if it's possible for any essay questions in the HSC to tell us to write about our prescribed text and TWO related texts? Because I only have one related text for each module and the aos :/
Hey! Yes, it is possible, but unlikely. If it happens in AoS, use one of the unseen texts. If it happens in the modules; use your AoS text ;D just devote half an hour tomorrow/today to putting some emergency plans into the back of your head, so on the 1% chance it happens you have something to draw on ;D
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 12, 2016, 12:21:10 am
Ques: Discuss how Owen’s perspective on human conflict is conveyed in his poetry. In your response, make detailed reference to at least TWO poems set for study.
Topic sentence: Owen conveys his perspective that human conflict is futile by revealing the inconsistency between individuals' experience and societal beliefs and values concerning warfare and nationalism.
In my essay, how do i answer the ques without being repetitive? (please give another example of topic sentence)
Ques: Discoveries may be questioned or challenge when viewed from different perspectives and their worth may be reassesed over time.
Topic sentence: Discoveries may be questioned or challenged when viewed from different societal perspectives. This can lead individuals to reassess their worth in relation to their understanding and values.
Is this how I am suppose to reword the question in exam?
I think these work really well Katherine! You are doing a good job of reframing the question into a Thesis statement. You may wish to create more variety with synonyms/change of order, or indeed just adding some detail! I think you do it really well in the first topic sentence, and quite simply in the second one, but both work nicely as very general Thesis statements. You should work on adding extra elements/levels of detail :)
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For the last ques of unseen texts, do i need to give a specific summary of what the texts are about in the intro or do i just need to briefly mention how the texts relate to the idea given in the ques (Text 2 presents that discoveries can uncover hidden truths within the family which leads to greater understanding of self-identity or Text 2 portrays Amy discovering her biological parents through others which leads her to gain a greater understanding of her identity)
The first sentence you gave is more effective there, always approach things conceptually! :)
Post by: cjrig on October 12, 2016, 01:59:35 pm
Hey! Yes, it is possible, but unlikely. If it happens in AoS, use one of the unseen texts. If it happens in the modules; use your AoS text ;D just devote half an hour tomorrow/today to putting some emergency plans into the back of your head, so on the 1% chance it happens you have something to draw on ;D
Okay thanks hopefully that won't happen!
Also, would you be able to give me feedback for my introduction for discovery please?
Question: The ramifications of particular discoveries may differ for individuals and their world
Demonstrate how your prescribed text and ONE other related text of your own choosing represent this
Intro:
Seeking and developing relationships, are the catalysts for evoking discovery. The discoveries made within these relationships has the ability to offer different perspectives. Discoveries can be evoked by curiosity, as shown in the play ‘Rainbow’s End’ by Jane Harrison, where the use of a relationship that is divided by a cultural and social gap evokes curiosity between the characters. The discovery process can begin through unexpected events, as seen in the short film ‘Paperman’ directed by John Kahrs, where the curiosity of a man wanting to connect with a woman who he met is what drives him to make a discovery. Ultimately through relationships, individuals can experience ramifications from discoveries that may differ for individuals within relationships.
Post by: katherine123 on October 13, 2016, 06:20:42 pm
Owen’s poems present the reader with a powerful exploration of the impact of human cruelty on individuals. How does Owen achieve this in his poetry? In your response, make detailed reference to your prescribed text.
Wilfred Owen, reflecting his experience on the Western front, presents the readers a particular group of soldiers’ extreme suffering through conveying their loss of physical and psychological qualities in his anthology of poetry to powerfully explore the brutal impact of human cruelty on individuals. This is evident in his poems, “The Next War” and “Futility” which explore the unorthodox uses of poetic form and satirical language, thus capturing the horror of facing death and experiences of “shell-shock” that became markers of WW1. Thus, Owen effectively challenges the established values of glorious illusion of war falsely presented to his society.
How does Owen’s portrayal of the relationship between youth and war move us to a deeper understanding of suffering? In your response, make detailed reference to at least TWO poems set for study.
Wilfred Owen, reflecting his experience on the Western front, portrays how the close relationship between youth and war causes extreme suffering by revealing a particular group of soldiers’ loss of physical and psychological qualities in his anthology of poetry. This is evident in his poems, “The Next War” and “Futility” which explore the unorthodox uses of poetic form and satirical language, thus capturing the horror of facing death and experiences of “shell-shock” that became markers of WW1. Thus, Owen effectively challenges the established values of glorious illusion of war falsely presented to his society.
Wilfred Owen’s poetry is shaped by an intense focus on extraordinary human experiences. Select TWO poems set for study and explore Owen’s portrayal of suffering and pity.
Wilfred Owen, reflecting on the horrific human experiences at war, explores a particular group of soldiers’ intense suffering through their loss of physical and psychological human qualities and the feeling of pity in his anthology of poetry. This is evident in his poems, “The Next War” and “Futility” which explore the unorthodox uses of poetic form and satirical language, thus capturing the horror of facing death and experiences of “shell-shock” that became markers of WW1. Thus, Owen’s personal experience of war shapes his poetry such that it effectively challenges the established values of glorious illusion of war falsely presented to his society.
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 14, 2016, 12:41:13 am
Okay thanks hopefully that won't happen!
Also, would you be able to give me feedback for my introduction for discovery please?
So seriously sorry we missed this before your exam! With how hectic the site has been I knew we'd miss one, as much as we tried not to, I hope you smashed it! :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 14, 2016, 12:46:24 am
Can you check my sample intros and see if i have answered the question and how it can be improved?
Hey Katherine! Quick comments in case you are glancing over this before your exam, good luck! :)
Owen’s poems present the reader with a powerful exploration of the impact of human cruelty on individuals. How does Owen achieve this in his poetry? In your response, make detailed reference to your prescribed text.
Spoiler
Wilfred Owen, reflecting his experience on the Western front, presents the readers a particular group of soldiers’ extreme suffering through conveying their loss of physical and psychological qualities in his anthology of poetry to powerfully explore the brutal impact of human cruelty on individuals. This is evident in his poems, “The Next War” and “Futility” which explore the unorthodox uses of poetic form and satirical language, thus capturing the horror of facing death and experiences of “shell-shock” that became markers of WW1. Thus, Owen effectively challenges the established values of glorious illusion of war falsely presented to his society.
Effective! Be careful not to try to cram too much into your opening sentences. Give yourself room to breathe, take two sentences where you need to!
How does Owen’s portrayal of the relationship between youth and war move us to a deeper understanding of suffering? In your response, make detailed reference to at least TWO poems set for study.
Spoiler
Wilfred Owen, reflecting his experience on the Western front, portrays how the close relationship between youth and war causes extreme suffering by revealing a particular group of soldiers’ loss of physical and psychological qualities in his anthology of poetry. This is evident in his poems, “The Next War” and “Futility” which explore the unorthodox uses of poetic form and satirical language, thus capturing the horror of facing death and experiences of “shell-shock” that became markers of WW1. Thus, Owen effectively challenges the established values of glorious illusion of war falsely presented to his society.
Read the first and last sentence of your introduction; do they match? Make sure your idea stays the same the whole way through! :)
Wilfred Owen’s poetry is shaped by an intense focus on extraordinary human experiences. Select TWO poems set for study and explore Owen’s portrayal of suffering and pity.'
Spoiler
Wilfred Owen, reflecting on the horrific human experiences at war, explores a particular group of soldiers’ intense suffering through their loss of physical and psychological human qualities and the feeling of pity in his anthology of poetry. This is evident in his poems, “The Next War” and “Futility” which explore the unorthodox uses of poetic form and satirical language, thus capturing the horror of facing death and experiences of “shell-shock” that became markers of WW1. Thus, Owen’s personal experience of war shapes his poetry such that it effectively challenges the established values of glorious illusion of war falsely presented to his society.
This one doesn't quite hit the mark of the question as well as the first one did, not quite getting enough explanation of the suffering and pity stuff. If you added one more sentence linking to the question somewhere this would have been really effective!
Don't be afraid to really take your time with your Thesis paragraphs tomorrow Katherine. You've got great ideas, just make sure that you use all the time you have to really make sure those links are as solid as possible. Good luck ! :)
Post by: Aussie1Italia2 on November 19, 2016, 03:26:58 pm
My first assessment for the HSC is coming up and I'm not entirely too sure if context is a technique or not?
Please and thank you for the help guys!!!
Post by: jamonwindeyer on November 19, 2016, 04:02:02 pm
Hey!
My first assessment for the HSC is coming up and I'm not entirely too sure if context is a technique or not?
Please and thank you for the help guys!!!
Hey! Nope, context isn't a technique but instead something that influences how composers use techniques! It influences their message, and often their choice of form (Shakespeare couldn't exactly make a mix-tape to say what he wanted to say) ;) Basically, context is the backdrop for the use of techniques! :)
Post by: mm_145678 on December 18, 2016, 07:42:41 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on December 19, 2016, 12:20:17 am
Hi everyone! i was just wondering if any of you guys could recommend a related text for Run Lola Run? I just can't think of any quality visual texts I could use or any visual texts at all haha. Thanks in advance!
Hey! I didn't do Discovery and don't know that text, but this is a list of suggestions compiled by Elyse! There could be something useful there? :)
Post by: DalvinT on February 12, 2017, 01:04:09 am
Post by: sudodds on February 12, 2017, 08:18:10 am
Is it possible and/or reasonable for a Standard student to write like an Advanced student?100%! It's not really about whether you're a standard or advanced student, but moreso how much work you put in, and how much you practice your essay writing skills :)
Post by: Aussie1Italia2 on February 18, 2017, 02:31:15 pm
I'm just wondering about choosing my related texts; am I able to choose a text from one of the other year 12 modules? Or they can't be on any of prescribed lists for any of the year 12 modules?
Thank you!
Post by: jamonwindeyer on February 18, 2017, 03:15:09 pm
Hi!
I'm just wondering about choosing my related texts; am I able to choose a text from one of the other year 12 modules? Or they can't be on any of prescribed lists for any of the year 12 modules?
Thank you!
Hey Aussie! For a long time I thought you couldn't, but you can use a related text from another module if you would like to! ;D
Post by: DalvinT on February 18, 2017, 10:17:26 pm
I was wonderin, are we able to choose artworks as a related text? And if so, how do I approach forming an analysis/linking to the module (e.g.distinctively visual) .. Will it be similar to a Visual arts critical analysis of an artwork?
Post by: jamonwindeyer on February 19, 2017, 12:51:57 am
Hey!
I was wonderin, are we able to choose artworks as a related text? And if so, how do I approach forming an analysis/linking to the module (e.g.distinctively visual) .. Will it be similar to a Visual arts critical analysis of an artwork?
Hey Dalvin! You can choose artworks for a related text, for the AoS or a Module. I've never done a critical analysis for VA, but I imagine it could be similar. The way you approach the analysis is the same as any other text. For a film you look for cinematic techniques that link to your theme/argument. For a novel, you look for literary techniques. For an artwork, you look for visual techniques!
Just as always, you are looking for how the composer uses techniques to convey an idea. Specifically, for Distinctively Visual, you are looking for how the composer uses technique to create an image for the responder, to place them INTO the story/artwork/whatever in order to resonate more strongly with the ideas the composer is communicating ;D
Post by: DalvinT on February 19, 2017, 10:32:41 am
Hey Dalvin! You can choose artworks for a related text, for the AoS or a Module. I've never done a critical analysis for VA, but I imagine it could be similar. The way you approach the analysis is the same as any other text. For a film you look for cinematic techniques that link to your theme/argument. For a novel, you look for literary techniques. For an artwork, you look for visual techniques!
Just as always, you are looking for how the composer uses techniques to convey an idea. Specifically, for Distinctively Visual, you are looking for how the composer uses technique to create an image for the responder, to place them INTO the story/artwork/whatever in order to resonate more strongly with the ideas the composer is communicating ;D
Hey Jamon! I see... But like the artwork already conveys some sort of image... I get how we need to use visual techniques to deconstruct the artwork... But writing the analysis and answering the question is the hard part..
For example...
Spoiler
Essay Question: Distinctive Visuals offer a variety of interesting views of the world .
Analysis: The pathetic fallacy depicted through the thunderous clouds in the background emulate the subject matter's attitude towards the process of venturing into the bewilderness. This is in effect engages the responders to the percieve the world as mysterious that bring a sense of loss and ultimately, stimulates their visual sensory that depicts a dark and ambigious journey into a new world.. (I MADE THIS UP... But just to see what I mean when I don't really know how to answer the question... Do I state what sensory and image it stimulates for the responders?)
Analysis: The pathetic fallacy depicted through the thunderous clouds in the background emulate the subject matter's attitude towards the process of venturing into the bewilderness. This is in effect engages the responders to the percieve the world as mysterious that bring a sense of loss and ultimately, stimulates their visual sensory that depicts a dark and ambigious journey into a new world.. (I MADE THIS UP... But just to see what I mean when I don't really know how to answer the question... Do I state what sensory and image it stimulates for the responders?)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on February 19, 2017, 04:11:35 pm
Hey Jamon! I see... But like the artwork already conveys some sort of image... I get how we need to use visual techniques to deconstruct the artwork... But writing the analysis and answering the question is the hard part..
For example...SpoilerEssay Question: Distinctive Visuals offer a variety of interesting views of the world .
Analysis: The pathetic fallacy depicted through the thunderous clouds in the background emulate the subject matter's attitude towards the process of venturing into the bewilderness. This is in effect engages the responders to the percieve the world as mysterious that bring a sense of loss and ultimately, stimulates their visual sensory that depicts a dark and ambigious journey into a new world.. (I MADE THIS UP... But just to see what I mean when I don't really know how to answer the question... Do I state what sensory and image it stimulates for the responders?)
It sounds like you are on the right track!! Like, you are doing the correct things - You have a technique, you explain what it conveys, and then the wider impact on the responders. That's the idea - To explain how the techniques used by the composer stimulate an image for the responder! The image that the artwork conveys will be extrapolated on by the responder, and they will use that to inform themselves regarding the theme - SO there is a difference between the physical image of the artwork, and image that this will convey to the audience :)
Post by: Aussie1Italia2 on February 20, 2017, 08:52:43 pm
I have a question asking me about the rhyme scheme of a poem more specifically 'What is the rhyme scheme used here? How might the rhyme scheme be effective when performing the poem?'
And I just don't know much about rhyme schemes. So any help would be great help.
Thank you!!! You are all awesome!!!
Post by: Fahim486 on February 20, 2017, 10:48:28 pm
For my Module A, I'm doing the elective Distinctive voices and I was just wondering how I can structure my essay and like what information to put in the introduction, body and conclusion.
Thanks!
Post by: jamonwindeyer on February 20, 2017, 11:06:15 pm
Hi guys!
I have a question asking me about the rhyme scheme of a poem more specifically 'What is the rhyme scheme used here? How might the rhyme scheme be effective when performing the poem?'
And I just don't know much about rhyme schemes. So any help would be great help.
Thank you!!! You are all awesome!!!
Hey Aussie! Happy to help here ;D
A rhyme scheme just refers to the pattern of rhymes at the end of the lines in a poem/stanza. We usually use letters to represent one, for example:
“There was an Old Man with a beard
Who said, 'It is just as I feared!
Two Owls and a Hen,
Four Larks and a Wren,
Have all built their nests in my beard!’”
The rhyme scheme of this poem is AABBA - Representing the rhyming words shown in colour above. This rhyme scheme corresponds to a Limerick - You can do a Google to find common rhyme scheme patterns and their names!! But that's the basic idea - Assign a letter to each line, with rhyming lines having the same letter, and that is your rhyme scheme! :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on February 20, 2017, 11:09:21 pm
Hey all,
For my Module A, I'm doing the elective Distinctive voices and I was just wondering how I can structure my essay and like what information to put in the introduction, body and conclusion.
Thanks!
Hey Fahim! That's a huge question - I think the best way for me to answer at this stage would be to direct you to this guide on writing HSC Essays. It gives you a nice, simple and applicable structure that you can tailor to your texts and hopefully start forming an essay plan! ;D
Post by: Fahim486 on February 22, 2017, 01:03:54 pm
Hey Fahim! That's a huge question - I think the best way for me to answer at this stage would be to direct you to this guide on writing HSC Essays. It gives you a nice, simple and applicable structure that you can tailor to your texts and hopefully start forming an essay plan! ;D
Jamon Windeyer you are truly a saviour. Thanks for the help!!!!!
Post by: jamonwindeyer on February 22, 2017, 01:05:01 pm
Jamon Windeyer you are truly a saviour. Thanks for the help!!!!!
You are most welcome! ;D glad it was helpful!
Post by: DalvinT on February 24, 2017, 12:58:58 pm
I'm wondering... if we choose a related text that is completely not conceptually or contextually "related" to your pescribed?
Will that limit me from getting a band 6 in the HSC...
Post by: ataribreaker on February 24, 2017, 01:15:44 pm
Hey!
I'm wondering... if we choose a related text that is completely not conceptually or contextually "related" to your pescribed?
Will that limit me from getting a band 6 in the HSC...
yes it will
Make one which fulfils the whole rubric
Post by: DalvinT on February 24, 2017, 01:25:58 pm
yes it will
Make one which fulfils the whole rubric
I mean like for example, If I were to do "Drover's Wife" and "The Loaded Dog" by and my related text was the "" by Frederick McCubbin, because they both show an different perspective of the bushland of Australia. Is that necessary to do?
My intial plan was to do the Persistence of Memory instead because one I have studied it before in Visual Art and two, it fits well in the rubric holistically.
Post by: elysepopplewell on February 24, 2017, 08:28:09 pm
I mean like for example, If I were to do "Drover's Wife" and "The Loaded Dog" by and my related text was the "" by Frederick McCubbin, because they both show an different perspective of the bushland of Australia. Is that necessary to do?
My intial plan was to do the Persistence of Memory instead because one I have studied it before in Visual Art and two, it fits well in the rubric holistically.
You won't be prevented from a Band 6 because your related and your prescribed don't match in every regard. Contrasts often show the discovery rubric's diversity! You definitely could do two texts that focus on bushland Australia, but it's not necessary. Perhaps it will be easier for you to draw conclusions between the two because the subject matter (or setting) is the same, but it's definitely not necessary to achieve a Band 6. You could still achieve a Band 6 with a prescribed text in the Australian bushland, and a related text in the British Industrial Revolution. The setting doesn't mean so much as the types of discovery. I think some similarities in discoveries are important, just for your own linking purposes. So, my prescribed text had a planned discovery but my related text had an unplanned discovery. My prescribed text and my related text both explored changes in perspectives after the discovery. So, although the outcome is similar, the genesis is different. So I think finding some good similarities but also contrasts is important. I'd pull out the rubric, print it off twice, and highlight the aspects of the rubric that the prescribed text links well with, and then do the same with the related text. Even though they may have different experiences of each section of the rubric, this becomes the basis of your study notes. You can easily see this way which parts they match with and which parts they contrast with.
But, you definitely don't need texts that are conceptually or contextually the same in order to get a band 6 :)
Post by: DalvinT on February 25, 2017, 04:40:07 pm
You won't be prevented from a Band 6 because your related and your prescribed don't match in every regard. Contrasts often show the discovery rubric's diversity! You definitely could do two texts that focus on bushland Australia, but it's not necessary. Perhaps it will be easier for you to draw conclusions between the two because the subject matter (or setting) is the same, but it's definitely not necessary to achieve a Band 6. You could still achieve a Band 6 with a prescribed text in the Australian bushland, and a related text in the British Industrial Revolution. The setting doesn't mean so much as the types of discovery. I think some similarities in discoveries are important, just for your own linking purposes. So, my prescribed text had a planned discovery but my related text had an unplanned discovery. My prescribed text and my related text both explored changes in perspectives after the discovery. So, although the outcome is similar, the genesis is different. So I think finding some good similarities but also contrasts is important. I'd pull out the rubric, print it off twice, and highlight the aspects of the rubric that the prescribed text links well with, and then do the same with the related text. Even though they may have different experiences of each section of the rubric, this becomes the basis of your study notes. You can easily see this way which parts they match with and which parts they contrast with.
But, you definitely don't need texts that are conceptually or contextually the same in order to get a band 6 :)
I see! So glad that I don't need to stress about that :P I'm so use to writing on a related text that is completely opposite to what my pescribed is showing in terms of its process (planned,expected etc) and outcome (new world, attitudes)... when looking at discovery...
Thanks so much Elyse!! :)
Post by: t3jasw1 on February 26, 2017, 07:25:10 pm
Post by: elysepopplewell on February 27, 2017, 07:46:25 pm
i really need a related text for distinctively visual, we're doing Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. please help out!
Hey there! I don't know how these link with your text specifically, but here's a few that I've seen discussed around the forums:
-The Beatle's Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
-Film: The Mask
-The song and Videoclip for Wonderwall by Oasis
-Tennyson: The Lady of Shallot
-Wilfred Owen's Anthem for Doomed Youth (poem)
-Henry Simpson's Last song (poem)
-Amin Greder: The Island (picture book)
A quick google will give you some themes for each so you should be able to choose one you enjoy and fits well! :)
Post by: Kaan709 on February 27, 2017, 08:02:05 pm
I have history with not answering the questions enough. Last year the teacher said I would have got an exemplar mark if answered the question :'( :'(
Post by: biffi023 on February 28, 2017, 09:55:31 pm
"You are to critically analyse the written text [a stimulus-type article] in relation to the ways in which intertextual connections between a pair of texts represents different social, cultural and historical contexts, and can influence the composer's choice of language forms and features and the ideas, values and attitudes conveyed in each text" ???
Thanks!
Post by: jamonwindeyer on February 28, 2017, 10:11:35 pm
Hey, I'm wondering if I could still play devil's advocate with my essay question. Transitions may be experienced as chaotic or subtle, but lead to significant shifts in perspective and changes in relationships. Discuss which aspects of this statement are effectively conveyed in the given excerpt, the core text and one related text. My idea's are that the transition is subject to the individual/other people's interpretation, and that's what determines their transformation "route". The ramifications are that the individual removes their repressed state of mind, and reflects 'more' objectively. Thus creating an infinite number of responses.
I have history with not answering the questions enough. Last year the teacher said I would have got an exemplar mark if answered the question :'( :'(
Hey Kaan! It sounds like you are doing some really critical thinking - Awesome work! I would say you have addressed the transitions aspect of the question well, but how will you be addressing the perspectives and relationships aspects? Note you don't have to say they are present - You could say that Discoveries don't influence relationships if you want to! But the idea needs to be engrained in your Thesis. So you need to be specific about what you mean by 'response' and use that to hone in on perspectives and relationships, in my opinion :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on February 28, 2017, 10:23:26 pm
can anyone explain this in 'normal' english for me?! :-\ Basically regardless of the texts I am being told to use, what is this question really asking for? It is so long-winded and I just can't get my head around it??
"You are to critically analyse the written text [a stimulus-type article] in relation to the ways in which intertextual connections between a pair of texts represents different social, cultural and historical contexts, and can influence the composer's choice of language forms and features and the ideas, values and attitudes conveyed in each text" ???
Thanks!
Hey! I'll do my best, to my interpretation the question is asking:
You are to critically analyse the written text in relation to the ways in which intertextual connections between a pair of texts represents different social, cultural and historical contexts, and can influence the composer's choice of language forms and features and the ideas, values and attitudes conveyed in each text
"You are to analyse the written text and talk about how the ways they treat similar themes in a different way represents differences about their composers/timeframes.
So in other words, you will have two texts that explore similar ideas, perhaps in very different ways. An easy example would be two speeches by two people, both running for Prime Minister. Same theme, different motives/approach. In your case, you are looking at two texts that are composed in their own context for different reasons.
However, they explore the same themes/ideas/content areas. So ultimately what the texts do is act as windows into their context. By comparing how the theme(s) are represented in the two texts, you get clues about the context. For example, look at the portrayal of terrorism in texts pre 2001, then compare it to the portrayal of texts today. HUGELY different, and that is because of contextual influences (in this case, the September 11 attacks, among other things). Texts act as windows to understanding the context they were composed in.
So, you are looking at how the differences in the way similar themes are treated in the two texts, represent differences in their context. You are also looking at how the composers use techniques to achieve these differences.
I hope that helps a little - This is a super sophisticated question, and since it contains context, it's also an Advanced English question I believe? I hope this helps you piece it together a little :)
Post by: biffi023 on February 28, 2017, 10:46:32 pm
sorry, yes I realised I had posted in a 'Standard English' thread... I am new to this! ;)
The two texts are Looking for Richard (docu-drama) and Richard III (play), and the 'written text' is an article about Pacino's doc. I am also confused that I am then asked to write an essay response to the question; "All texts have a use-by date"?
So there seems to be a lot happening at once?
While on that note, do you mark essay drafts!?
Post by: jamonwindeyer on February 28, 2017, 11:04:49 pm
Thank you! yes that helps :D
sorry, yes I realised I had posted in a 'Standard English' thread... I am new to this! ;)
The two texts are Looking for Richard (docu-drama) and Richard III (play), and the 'written text' is an article about Pacino's doc. I am also confused that I am then asked to write an essay response to the question; "All texts have a use-by date"?
So there seems to be a lot happening at once?
While on that note, do you mark essay drafts!?
Oh that's okay no worries at all! If you click on this link you'll find our English Advanced board, including another question thread just like this one for Advanced! ;D cool, sounds like a really standard assignment for Advanced Module A :)
All texts have a use by date is a common one - It is asking you to discuss whether texts can still be relevant beyond the context they were composed in. So, is Richard III still relevant to a modern audience? Can we still learn something from it? How about comparing it to Pacino? :)
We do mark essay drafts! You can post it here, but we do require you to have 15 posts on ATAR Notes per essay you'd like marked - So you'll need to hang around a bit and ask a few more questions while you finish the draft, so you've got 15 when you post it :)
Post by: biffi023 on February 28, 2017, 11:16:13 pm
Oh that's okay no worries at all! If you click on this link you'll find our English Advanced board, including another question thread just like this one for Advanced! ;D cool, sounds like a really standard assignment for Advanced Module A :)OK! MT for your help ;D
All texts have a use by date is a common one - It is asking you to discuss whether texts can still be relevant beyond the context they were composed in. So, is Richard III still relevant to a modern audience? Can we still learn something from it? How about comparing it to Pacino? :)
We do mark essay drafts! You can post it here, but we do require you to have 15 posts on ATAR Notes per essay you'd like marked - So you'll need to hang around a bit and ask a few more questions while you finish the draft, so you've got 15 when you post it :)
Post by: sudodds on March 03, 2017, 06:33:31 pm
Hi All..Hey! I didn't study these texts myself during the HSC, however I am working through these poems with a tutoring student right now. We haven't gone through all of the poems yet, but as of right now I believe that The Tuft of Flowers and Mending Wall are quite strong, and have a lot of thematic links that can be explored thoroughly. They also work well with the related text 'An Idiot Abroad' (I did study this related text during my own HSC - my notes on it can be found here https://atarnotes.com/note/aos-related-text-idiot-abroad/ :) ). Hope this helps!
I am doing Robert Frost's poems as a prescribed text for area of study. However, i don't have a related text yet. What would be a good related text for Robert Frost's poems & oh btw i have a free choice of choosing 2 of his poems out of The Tuft of Flowers,Mending Wall, Home Burial, After Apple-Picking, Fire and Ice & Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening. So what 2 of his poems should i pick and what is a good related text for those 2 poems???
Thank You.
Post by: jamonwindeyer on March 04, 2017, 01:17:15 pm
Hi All..
I am doing Robert Frost's poems as a prescribed text for area of study. However, i don't have a related text yet. What would be a good related text for Robert Frost's poems & oh btw i have a free choice of choosing 2 of his poems out of The Tuft of Flowers,Mending Wall, Home Burial, After Apple-Picking, Fire and Ice & Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening. So what 2 of his poems should i pick and what is a good related text for those 2 poems???
Thank You.
Hey Zahra! Welcome to the forums ;D
If you are looking for more ideas for a related text, you can check out this list! It is a list of over 50 ORT's that are effective for use in the Area of Study - including films, novels, poems and more. I didn't study Robert Frost, so I can't make any specific recommendations as to which poem, but hopefully that list is helpful! ;D
Post by: akovacevic on March 12, 2017, 06:53:30 pm
I just need the techniques and explanations
thankyou
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=an+experiment+on+a+bird+in+the+air+pump+analysis&num=40&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi0hPysvNDSAhULerwKHZy0CPYQ_AUICCgB&biw=1242&bih=535#imgrc=Ah8r7HJoFlZMzM:
Post by: _QueenEm on March 14, 2017, 05:25:02 pm
Post by: yharb on March 14, 2017, 06:15:30 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on March 14, 2017, 06:39:10 pm
Would I be able to get my creative writing marked/checked here? Thanks :)
Hey yharb! Welcome!
You certainly can, but you need 15 posts on ATAR Notes to access the feedback! This is just to make sure the markers can keep up and spend the 30 minutes-1 hour we like to spend to give quality feedback ;D
In case you aren't noticing, I'm removing all of your posts in the marking thread - Posting your creative 15 times definitely doesn't count. If you could stop that would be great :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on March 14, 2017, 06:54:01 pm
Hello there! I'm struggling to find a good related texts for Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon! Wondering if you guys can give me some suggestions ;D Thank You!
Welcome to the forums Em! ;D we have a whole list of suggested ORT's you can read right here, I hope it is helpful to you!! ;D
Keen to see you around the forums more throughout the year :)
Post by: 12070 on March 16, 2017, 07:25:55 pm
Post by: elysepopplewell on March 16, 2017, 07:34:00 pm
Is paper one marked the same? My friends in advanced keep saying that advanced is a lot harder but we literally did the same exam except our prescribed text was 'Life of Pi' and theirs was 'The Tempest'. I got 27/30 and they got 15 and 22 and claimed that they were marked completely different in both sections (there was no creative writing). Does the HSC mark differently according to level?
Internally, your school may have decided to mark paper one separately for Standard and Advanced for whatever reason. But in the HSC, all of Paper One is marked together! I'd ask your teachers if Standard and Advanced were marked by different markers/to different standards. In the HSC, it is all the same :)
Post by: DalvinT on March 16, 2017, 11:08:03 pm
So the rubric states :
"In their responding and composing, student's explore the ways we see the images and/or visualise in texts are created... consider how the forms, features and language ... create these images, affect interpretation and shape meaning"
So basically it saying that this module is looking into how we as an audience/responder percieve images or imagine them through written, spoken or visual text.
If I were correct, then to answer this question, "How are distinctive images used to convey ideas in the related text of your choosing?"
I would discuss how certain visuals tehcniques convey ideas (doing an artwork)?
Would I need to state what I visualise from seeing certain visual features of the image?
For example, melting clock ... one could visualise the absecence of time/clock in their home??? haha I'm so clueless :P
Post by: elysepopplewell on March 19, 2017, 10:25:06 pm
Hey Guys! I'm really confused about Mod A - Distinctive Images
So the rubric states :
"In their responding and composing, student's explore the ways we see the images and/or visualise in texts are created... consider how the forms, features and language ... create these images, affect interpretation and shape meaning"
So basically it saying that this module is looking into how we as an audience/responder percieve images or imagine them through written, spoken or visual text.
If I were correct, then to answer this question, "How are distinctive images used to convey ideas in the related text of your choosing?"
I would discuss how certain visuals tehcniques convey ideas (doing an artwork)?
Would I need to state what I visualise from seeing certain visual features of the image?
For example, melting clock ... one could visualise the absecence of time/clock in their home??? haha I'm so clueless :P
Hey Dalvin! I'm not 100% sure of the answer to this but I've scrolled the internet to get a bit of an idea...
The module wants you to analyse the way texts are constructed, how this affects the way people interpret the texts, and how this all helps to create meaning in a text. You need to explain how the features of the visual text (colour, text, size, mise-en-scene, etc) come together to shape a meaning, and evoke a response. So with your example of the clock, if there is a melting clock, I'd interpret the melting (potentially added to by colour, shape, texture, etc), to be shaping the meaning of something becoming destroyed, withering away before our eyes, etc. And mix that with the symbol of the clock representing time (the structure of society) we might be able to view it all as a shaped meaning of life decaying before us.
This is hard to explain without having the actual text to look at, so I'm just hoping we are visualising the same thing! But it appears the module is simple: Texts are created through very strategic techniques ----- this shapes different meanings ----- and we interpret these meanings differently because art is open to interpretation, afterall.
Hopefully this gives you an idea, please ping back if it's still a bit lost on you and then we can look at being more specific :)
Post by: janemurray on March 20, 2017, 06:36:27 pm
What is the recommended number of words for an AOS creative writing piece during an exam (40 mins for the section)?? Thankyou
Mod Edit: Post merge ;D
Post by: elysepopplewell on March 20, 2017, 08:07:45 pm
What is the recommended number of words for an AOS creative writing piece during an exam (40 mins for the section)?? Thankyou
Hey Jane :) There's no recommended amount of words for an AOS piece, but I will say that 700-800 words is where most people sit! Any more than 1000 would likely be chewing into the other sections of the paper one exam, and any fewer than 600 would be too few words. So, I think the 700-800 word range seems suitable, but you need to play to your strengths and now just how much you can write in an exam! :)
Post by: DalvinT on March 24, 2017, 11:25:21 pm
What are some solutions?
Post by: Fahim486 on March 27, 2017, 07:54:57 pm
For Module A, my prescribed text is Summer of the Seventeenth Doll and so I was wondering is it okay to use poetic techniques when analysing a quote in your body paragraph or do you need to use dramatic techniques?
Thanks!
Post by: jamonwindeyer on March 27, 2017, 08:56:42 pm
Hello again! So basically my English half-yearly is goning be an interview held on week 11, but my problem is that I can't speak in a succint manner and if talk at a slower pace, I won't be able to fit everything I want to say in time...
What are some solutions?
You should practice LOTS Dalvin - You'll have a better job being clear without slowing down if you have a good idea of what is about to come out of your mouth ;D practice with friends and peers who will be doing the task with you and so will have a feel for what is expected. Ultimately, confidence will be key to getting your ideas across in the most efficient way! :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on March 27, 2017, 08:58:35 pm
Hey everyone,
For Module A, my prescribed text is Summer of the Seventeenth Doll and so I was wondering is it okay to use poetic techniques when analysing a quote in your body paragraph or do you need to use dramatic techniques?
Thanks!
You can definitely identify/analyse poetic techniques in your text even if it isn't a poem! ;D
Post by: arunasva on March 31, 2017, 01:07:15 pm
I have never satisfactorily completed Paper 1. Like in my Mid YEarlies I had 30 mins left for the story. Same happened in Year 11 but this time it was a little better than year 11. The thing is I don't know If I've been writing too much or whats happening at all. I never have time constraints in anything other than english, in fact im able to finish in 1:45:00 when the exams outta 2 hours in almost everything else. I don't even know what to do.
Post by: elysepopplewell on April 02, 2017, 05:48:33 pm
Rain Drop Drop Top Stressin Bout Paper 1 Non-Stop
I have never satisfactorily completed Paper 1. Like in my Mid YEarlies I had 30 mins left for the story. Same happened in Year 11 but this time it was a little better than year 11. The thing is I don't know If I've been writing too much or whats happening at all. I never have time constraints in anything other than english, in fact im able to finish in 1:45:00 when the exams outta 2 hours in almost everything else. I don't even know what to do.
Hey arunasva :) Let's talk about this!
What section of paper one are you getting the lowest marks in? Some students find they take up too much time in the unseen texts because it is the most unpredictable so they struggle to apply discipline of time. But if you have time left over, I'm wondering if your time discipline is just too good and it's not benefitting you like we'd want it to.
Can you tell me a bit more about your results with the paper? Do you have a section that always marks highly for you? How many words do you write roughly? Which section do you struggle with most? Then maybe we can make an action plan to help :)
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Post by: jamonwindeyer on April 16, 2017, 02:56:05 pm
How does one write an essay on: "Films have the power to reveal significant ways of thinking in specific times and contexts. In what ways has your study of [Film] revealed this idea?"
I'd probably write one paragraph for each "way of thinking" you want to discuss! Really, a way of thinking is just a concept - So one paragraph per concept/theme/idea would probably do the trick ;D
Post by: DalvinT on May 01, 2017, 07:27:14 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 01, 2017, 08:52:34 pm
Hello! I'm about to start my Discovery prescribed text (The Life of Pi by Ang Lee) and just wanted to know if you guys have brilliant resources on film techniques. Just for a refresher :)
I don't think we do :( that's a great idea for the future though!!
A trifecta of sample Life of Pi essays though! ;D
Post by: elysepopplewell on May 01, 2017, 09:44:07 pm
Hello! I'm about to start my Discovery prescribed text (The Life of Pi by Ang Lee) and just wanted to know if you guys have brilliant resources on film techniques. Just for a refresher :)
I guess a bit of a suggestion in the interim I suggest that while you might notice particularly effective lighting, consider that the camera angle, the dialogue, the sounds, all play into making that lighting effective. In film, there's several things to consider at any time and often they compound to make the most memorable parts of the text. So when you note a low angle shot, also consider costuming, sounds, body language/actions, and so on. The best responses often incorporate the different elements in the same analysis. :)
Post by: DalvinT on May 02, 2017, 06:45:52 pm
I guess a bit of a suggestion in the interim I suggest that while you might notice particularly effective lighting, consider that the camera angle, the dialogue, the sounds, all play into making that lighting effective. In film, there's several things to consider at any time and often they compound to make the most memorable parts of the text. So when you note a low angle shot, also consider costuming, sounds, body language/actions, and so on. The best responses often incorporate the different elements in the same analysis. :)
Ahhh cool! Thanks Elyse!! Will definitely approach the analysis in that manner
Post by: DalvinT on May 02, 2017, 06:46:24 pm
I don't think we do :( that's a great idea for the future though!!
A trifecta of sample Life of Pi essays though! ;D
Thanks Jamon!!!
Post by: DalvinT on May 10, 2017, 08:44:21 pm
"skillfully demonstrates an understanding of how the concept of Discovery is reflected in their chosen related material"
Is it when student shows an understanding of discovery and REDISCOVERY? Or could it just be an extensive showcase of just one of them? And in what way? In a way, that they analyse parts of the text that demonstrates most points of the rubric?
I'm a bit unsure :(
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 10, 2017, 10:50:38 pm
Hi! I was just wondering... What really indicates a person that fulfills the criteria of:
"skillfully demonstrates an understanding of how the concept of Discovery is reflected in their chosen related material"
Is it when student shows an understanding of discovery and REDISCOVERY? Or could it just be an extensive showcase of just one of them? And in what way? In a way, that they analyse parts of the text that demonstrates most points of the rubric?
I'm a bit unsure :(
Hey! Pretty much this is just showing knowledge of the concept of Discovery in your ORT - You might choose rediscovery, or perhaps not. There is no set formula either way. The issue comes into defining how one "skilfully demonstrates" the ideas, rather than just demonstrating them. To me, this comes down to how complex your ideas are (Just, "The character discovered stuff," won't cut it), how effectively they are linked to your argument, and how well you compare/contrast the idea with your prescribed text.
There is no set formula for doing it in a skilled way, or a specific point where you cross that final threshold. It's really tricky! You should just aim to be communicating your ideas as clearly as you can, as part of a clever/well developed argument :)
Post by: arunasva on May 13, 2017, 09:32:08 pm
Hey arunasva :) Let's talk about this!im alright with section 3 section 1 is mostly alright. But I seem to have barely any time ever left for the narrative and always do worst in that section. I got 7/15 in HY's :'(
What section of paper one are you getting the lowest marks in? Some students find they take up too much time in the unseen texts because it is the most unpredictable so they struggle to apply discipline of time. But if you have time left over, I'm wondering if your time discipline is just too good and it's not benefitting you like we'd want it to.
Can you tell me a bit more about your results with the paper? Do you have a section that always marks highly for you? How many words do you write roughly? Which section do you struggle with most? Then maybe we can make an action plan to help :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 14, 2017, 12:12:41 am
im alright with section 3 section 1 is mostly alright. But I seem to have barely any time ever left for the narrative and always do worst in that section. I got 7/15 in HY's :'(
It might be worth reading some of our Creative Writing resources! You can find a bunch of links here ;D it's really important to keep pace in Paper 1 and make sure you've got enough time to get what you want down in every section! Even if it means writing a little less in the essay, normally you want to keep everything pretty even to maximise your marks :)
Post by: julia_warren13 on May 15, 2017, 05:57:49 pm
Post by: elysepopplewell on May 15, 2017, 06:45:37 pm
If an essay question uses the word "us" rather than "the audience/reader" (e.g. Explain how Wilfred Owen’s poetry invites us into a different world and broadens our understanding of human experience ), how should it be answered? I was told to use personal language in this case (like "our" and "us" etc.) but I though essays should always be written in 3rd person?? Thank you!
Hey Julia! If your teacher is marking this one, then get their opinion, but it is my opinion to always avoid the first person pronoun. Sometimes the inclusive first person voice is ok, if you're speaking collectively, but I always avoided that unless necessary too. So I would adopt the voice of, "A contemporary audience is brought into the world of..." or, "The readers of Owen's oeuvre are invited to... by his use of..." I think this increases the formality of your work and overall looks impressive as you set the tone for the work. But, your essay question is quite clear in using "us" and "our" so I hardly think you'd be marked down for it - it's just a matter of which route of formality you want to take :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 15, 2017, 08:55:39 pm
Post by: DalvinT on May 20, 2017, 06:17:49 pm
Post by: ziggy9999 on May 23, 2017, 09:53:11 pm
We have an essay question we need to answer in regards to our prescribed and one related text. My question is: 1) what is a good related text for Run Lola Run? something unique preferably. 2) Can u pls breakdown this essay question for me if you can. How should i answer it what is it specifically asking? (if you can pls answer through run lola run if not its fine)
The essay question is: In what ways are people and their experiences brought to life through the distinctively visual?
Thank you so much. It would mean a lot if you reply asap because its due soon.
Post by: mattmorley on May 23, 2017, 10:17:55 pm
“Distinctively visual texts are able to capture and instill genuine emotional responses in the audience.”
How does your prescribed text and one other text of your own choosing explore this idea?
[/b][/u]How does your prescribed text and one other text of your own choosing explore this idea?
Hey guys,
Im really confused with this seen essay question i have in class next week.
Im struggling with " capture and instill genuine emotional responses in the audience". Does this mean the emotional responses in the text, are conveyed to the responder through the distinctivily visual, or, is it saying that the distincitivly visual enables a responder to generate an emotional response as a reaction to what is conveyed through the distinticivly visual?
Thanks so much for your help.
Post by: elysepopplewell on May 23, 2017, 11:15:17 pm
Hey! I'm just wondering if there is a particular structure to follow by when writing a reflection. Thanks!! :)
hey Dalvin! I'm not familiar with the reflection task. How long is it? What are you reflecting on? :)
Hi.. i am doing Module C (Distinctively Visual) my prescribed is Run Lola Run.Hey! I'm sorry I'm not familiar with your text but I can assist with breaking down the essay question.
We have an essay question we need to answer in regards to our prescribed and one related text. My question is: 1) what is a good related text for Run Lola Run? something unique preferably. 2) Can u pls breakdown this essay question for me if you can. How should i answer it what is it specifically asking? (if you can pls answer through run lola run if not its fine)
The essay question is: In what ways are people and their experiences brought to life through the distinctively visual?
Thank you so much. It would mean a lot if you reply asap because its due soon.
Firstly, you need to be able to recognise what is distinctly visual, and also where distinctly visual features are shown in your texts. This is very important to grasp for this module. Then, you need to be able to identify both people and experiences respectively, and then how they engage together. What is the relationship between people and their experiences, and then, how is this shown through distinctly visual features of a text?
Hey there! Thanks for reaching out :)“Distinctively visual texts are able to capture and instill genuine emotional responses in the audience.”[/b][/u]
How does your prescribed text and one other text of your own choosing explore this idea?
Hey guys,
Im really confused with this seen essay question i have in class next week.
Im struggling with " capture and instill genuine emotional responses in the audience". Does this mean the emotional responses in the text, are conveyed to the responder through the distinctivily visual, or, is it saying that the distincitivly visual enables a responder to generate an emotional response as a reaction to what is conveyed through the distinticivly visual?
Thanks so much for your help.
Here is my interpretation of your essay question!
I think it's worth noting the difference between capturing and instilling. To instil is to gradually but firmly establish, but to capture is catch or seize. So the audiences emotions are captured, we evoke the audience, but we also see that the audience is being instilled with new responses of the emotional kind. You could interpret the question in either way you have, but I especially see it as your latter interpretation, about the text generator a response from the reader.
Post by: mattmorley on May 24, 2017, 07:08:06 am
Post by: JD99 on May 24, 2017, 07:58:34 am
Thanks!
Post by: arunasva on May 26, 2017, 08:35:48 pm
How do the texts you have studied explore the transition of individuals into new phases of life and new social contexts?
MY THESIS : Individuals who overcome certain obstacles may gain new attitudes and beliefs which change their character and lead them to a new phase in life.
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 26, 2017, 08:45:35 pm
We are using Robert Frost's poems for Discovery. How many of them would you suggest I know, in preparation for the HSC exams?? Would three be enough??
Thanks!
Hey JD! You'd want to know all of them to at least some level - Just in case the question suits one poem specifically or something like that. However, knowing three in depth and then everything else to a more basic level - I reckon that would be enough. You are allowed your favourites! Just make sure the ones you choose, you really know them well :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 26, 2017, 08:48:47 pm
Hello, one skill I struggle with is coming up with a strong thesis and topic statement and convert them into strong arguments. Can I please get an example with the following question ?
How do the texts you have studied explore the transition of individuals into new phases of life and new social contexts?
MY THESIS : Individuals who overcome certain obstacles may gain new attitudes and beliefs which change their character and lead them to a new phase in life.
Hey! If you haven't already, check out this guide that Elyse wrote on coming up with a Thesis for the Area of Study. The skills are transferrable to the modules! ;D
I like the idea of your Thesis - That it is through overcoming obstacles that individuals transition into new stages of life. I think the main comment would be that it is a little vague - What sorts of obstacles, for example? Attitudes and beliefs about what? What do you mean by "change their character?" You'd perhaps want to extend your Thesis over two sentences to give it a good and proper start ;D
Post by: DalvinT on May 26, 2017, 11:47:40 pm
hey Dalvin! I'm not familiar with the reflection task. How long is it? What are you reflecting on? :)
Hi Elyse! It was just simply asking me to reflect how the text has enhanced and broadened my understanding of DISCOVERY :)
Post by: elysepopplewell on May 27, 2017, 01:58:39 am
Hi Elyse! It was just simply asking me to reflect how the text has enhanced and broadened my understanding of DISCOVERY :)
Okay! Well, if it's a short answer response I think that you firstly need to establish the judgement about the extent to which the text has actually enhanced or broadened your perspective about discovery! Then depending on the length of your reflection, I'd pin point specific aspects of the text, and pin it against the rubric, to identify the way the text, the elements of discovery, and you, have interacted. There's no set structure for a reflection statement that I'm aware of, I think it's fairly liberal!
Post by: JD99 on May 27, 2017, 05:56:53 pm
Hi Elyse! It was just simply asking me to reflect how the text has enhanced and broadened my understanding of DISCOVERY :)We did a task similar to this and my teacher got us to write about how it had impacted/changed us...what we discovered through the text etc.
Not sure if this helps! :)
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Post by: Aussie1Italia2 on May 29, 2017, 12:27:12 pm
I'm currently doing A Close Study of 'The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time' by Mark Haddon. For this I'm doing an essay and my first paragraph is about the genres of the novel; do I still have to include techniques?
Sorry if my question doesn't make sense.
Thank you
XOXO
Post by: elysepopplewell on May 29, 2017, 06:42:28 pm
Hi, thanks for the help guys.
I'm currently doing A Close Study of 'The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time' by Mark Haddon. For this I'm doing an essay and my first paragraph is about the genres of the novel; do I still have to include techniques?
Sorry if my question doesn't make sense.
Thank you
XOXO
Hey, based on the little information here, I'm going to say, yes techniques are a good idea :) Techniques can often help create a genre. For example: Western iconography is something that contributes to a novel being a Western! So, if it adds to your discussion of the genre, then I think it can be useful :)
Post by: arunasva on June 04, 2017, 11:41:40 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on June 04, 2017, 11:47:09 pm
Hey, I am looking for some ideas for my Wilfred Owen Visual Representation. Does anyone have any tips on how to do assessment tasks like this in general ? Cos i've never done well.
Hey! Is this meant to be like a visual mindmap with quotes techniques and symbols showing key ideas in the text? Or is it a more Creative visual representation task? :)
Post by: arunasva on June 05, 2017, 01:10:32 am
Hey! Is this meant to be like a visual mindmap with quotes techniques and symbols showing key ideas in the text? Or is it a more Creative visual representation task? :)
Its a creative task where you make a collage, model, slides etc. based on themes
Post by: huss1235 on June 05, 2017, 09:28:26 pm
see the country. Yer wanter get away from the line.” “I don’t wanter; I’ve
been there.”
thank you
Post by: jamonwindeyer on June 05, 2017, 10:01:17 pm
Its a creative task where you make a collage, model, slides etc. based on themes
Cool! Well I think the first step is to have a really good handle of the sorts of techniques you can use easily. Chances are you'll need to discuss them. Think colour, salience, vectors, symbolism - All really easy to use and discuss ;D plan out exactly what you want to say, and think about things that could symbolise that. How will you place those things around the visual. How big will each be? What colour will they be and why?
If you keep asking yourself why you are doing things, you'll have a better sense of direction. Just try to keep it simple, and keep yourself on target :)
Post by: DalvinT on June 06, 2017, 06:49:15 pm
Post by: Wales on June 07, 2017, 09:56:24 pm
Hi Guys! Since Trials are coming up, I thought it would be best to start prepping now! :) Though I'm a bit confused,however I already have my notes done. Should I write an essay based on a past HSC question and then loosely memorise to adapt to any question... Or should I just remember the quote, technique and the general effect of it and practice writing...
That's what I did. I had a formulated essay that I refined til I was satisfied. I memorised the quotes and went into the exam. Having a pre-written essay helps you because you can draw upon the concepts you embedded and bend it to answer the question. You shouldn't memorise an entire essay and just wordvomit it all over your paper though, you HAVE to answer the question. It's likely that the question is VERY broad so I think you'll be okay
Just take the 2016 HSC English question for your module and write an essay off that.
Post by: elysepopplewell on June 07, 2017, 10:28:28 pm
Hi Guys! Since Trials are coming up, I thought it would be best to start prepping now! :) Though I'm a bit confused,however I already have my notes done. Should I write an essay based on a past HSC question and then loosely memorise to adapt to any question... Or should I just remember the quote, technique and the general effect of it and practice writing...
In the assumption that you've got at least a month until trials, I'd take the second approach. If you have the time to remember things in a way that's flexible, and you have the opportunity to test yourself applying it to different things, then that's what I'd do. BUT, if you realise it's not sticking, that's when I'd move to the first approach, because sometimes that rigidity in your study is what you need. As always, even in memorising an essay, you need to be flexible or else you are wasting your time! So whatever approach you take, feel confident enough in your approach that you'll be able to adjust in the exam - put that at the forefront of your work :)
Post by: DalvinT on June 09, 2017, 09:02:58 pm
In the assumption that you've got at least a month until trials, I'd take the second approach. If you have the time to remember things in a way that's flexible, and you have the opportunity to test yourself applying it to different things, then that's what I'd do. BUT, if you realise it's not sticking, that's when I'd move to the first approach, because sometimes that rigidity in your study is what you need. As always, even in memorising an essay, you need to be flexible or else you are wasting your time! So whatever approach you take, feel confident enough in your approach that you'll be able to adjust in the exam - put that at the forefront of your work :)
Definitely will experiment ! :) THANKS HEAPS ELYSE
Post by: DalvinT on June 09, 2017, 09:03:20 pm
That's what I did. I had a formulated essay that I refined til I was satisfied. I memorised the quotes and went into the exam. Having a pre-written essay helps you because you can draw upon the concepts you embedded and bend it to answer the question. You shouldn't memorise an entire essay and just wordvomit it all over your paper though, you HAVE to answer the question. It's likely that the question is VERY broad so I think you'll be okay
Just take the 2016 HSC English question for your module and write an essay off that.
Thanks
🏻 will definitely try that ! :)
Post by: Wales on June 09, 2017, 09:06:07 pm
Thanks
Post back with those essays and we'll take a look at em, this is how you improve fam :)
Goodluck
Post by: 12070 on June 11, 2017, 06:29:34 pm
I know paper one is out of 45 and paper 2 is out of 60 but if two people got 90/105 overall and lets say person A got 42 and 48 whereas person B got 32 and 58 respectively. Would A scale better than B?
Post by: jamonwindeyer on June 11, 2017, 08:39:20 pm
Is paper one more important than paper two for standard students?
I know paper one is out of 45 and paper 2 is out of 60 but if two people got 90/105 overall and lets say person A got 42 and 48 whereas person B got 32 and 58 respectively. Would A scale better than B?
Hey!! I'm happy to be corrected on this, because I'm not 100% sure and can't find anything to prove either way in a quick search, but I THINK they are scaled together, so both results would be the same!
I knew once upon a time but can't recall the answer!
Post by: gilliesb18 on June 14, 2017, 09:47:45 am
At the moment in English, we are doing a close study of the concept of Inner Journeys. Our assessment is to do a folio of several analyses on various sources demonstrating an inner journey. Can someone help me with what sources I should be using??
Thanks:):)
BG
Post by: jamonwindeyer on June 14, 2017, 11:18:08 am
Hello:)
At the moment in English, we are doing a close study of the concept of Inner Journeys. Our assessment is to do a folio of several analyses on various sources demonstrating an inner journey. Can someone help me with what sources I should be using??
Thanks:):)
BG
Hey! I can't help too much here, but one thing to consider would be movie posters/advertisements!! Often they can be quite conceptually rich, and picking the right one could give you something good to analyse ;D
Post by: Wales on June 16, 2017, 09:15:08 am
Hi i would love some quick feedback on my essay for module B by Wilfred Owen essay before i handed it today thank.
Hey :) Sorry to say but you need 15 posts to get an essay marked. It should also be posted in advance in the essay marking thread because the markers need some time to read over it.
Some quick points.
You need to adapt your introductions to the question given. You've gone straight into the technical analysis without establishing your position.
I haven't read it all but your analysis seems good enough, the transitions between your paragraphs I would change. To continue, In conclusion. Be more creative!
Is this for discovery? You haven't made much reference from what I've seen. You need to integrate the ideas in the syllabus and question. Try fix that up.
Post by: gilliesb18 on June 17, 2017, 03:40:41 pm
Hey! I can't help too much here, but one thing to consider would be movie posters/advertisements!! Often they can be quite conceptually rich, and picking the right one could give you something good to analyse ;DOk cool thanks...
Is anyone able to upload an image of what they believe to be an inner journey?? Im finding it a bit hard to find one that i can write an entire essay on... I was kind of thinking of one that had a room full of doors but ive been searching for ages now and nothing of the sort comes up :(
Thanks heaps in advance very kind....
Post by: elysepopplewell on June 17, 2017, 06:19:13 pm
Ok cool thanks...
Is anyone able to upload an image of what they believe to be an inner journey?? Im finding it a bit hard to find one that i can write an entire essay on... I was kind of thinking of one that had a room full of doors but ive been searching for ages now and nothing of the sort comes up :(
Thanks heaps in advance very kind....
I'm not sure if this is the direction you want to go in: but do you think it's worth looking into mental health depictions in art? I can imagine this kind of thing would have lots of layers and no doubt has been creatively depicted before. Particularly the healing process, coming to terms with conditions, and rehabilitating.
Post by: 12070 on June 18, 2017, 02:54:42 pm
Post by: elysepopplewell on June 18, 2017, 08:19:57 pm
Hey, so I've got to write a study guide in the form of a visual speech on the relevance of Maus (my ORT) to Module A: Experience through Language - Distinctively Visual. I'm not very creative and was wondering if firstly you had any suggestions on how to engage my audience (English teachers). I'm also looking for a creative motif that I can use throughout my whole speech that relates to this module and/or Maus. I personally think something that gradually gets easier to visualise would work as I want my audience to also continue to see that Maus is a perfect example for distinctively visual and The Shoe-horn Sonata (my prescribed text). I'll attach my task below if you didn't understand my explanation or want any further details. Thanks in advance :)
Hey 12070, there's a few possibilities here :)
Firstly, my sister did a speech on the concept of family in her English texts. She put some black and white images of family on the screen, and over the course of her 12 minute speech the pictures slowly came to colour as her argument was that each composer colours in "family" in a different way, and upon initial reading you'd hardly recognise it.
In Ext 1, I did a speech on texts and whenever I used quotes from the text, I'd put them up on the board behind me as well so that they could really resonate with my audience.
Do you think you want to engage both the language, like I did, and images, like my sister did? Or are you more keen on balancing it out so that the speech is completely dependent on the presentation behind you? Both work. My sister and I did our presentations in a way that the material supported our speech, rather than MADE the speech. But there's nothing wrong with doing this otherwise, unless your teacher has said not to. What do you think?
Post by: 12070 on June 18, 2017, 09:07:25 pm
Hey 12070, there's a few possibilities here :)
Firstly, my sister did a speech on the concept of family in her English texts. She put some black and white images of family on the screen, and over the course of her 12 minute speech the pictures slowly came to colour as her argument was that each composer colours in "family" in a different way, and upon initial reading you'd hardly recognise it.
In Ext 1, I did a speech on texts and whenever I used quotes from the text, I'd put them up on the board behind me as well so that they could really resonate with my audience.
Do you think you want to engage both the language, like I did, and images, like my sister did? Or are you more keen on balancing it out so that the speech is completely dependent on the presentation behind you? Both work. My sister and I did our presentations in a way that the material supported our speech, rather than MADE the speech. But there's nothing wrong with doing this otherwise, unless your teacher has said not to. What do you think?
Hey, Elyse, I think I'm going to make my material support the speech. I was thinking of doing something like what your sister did so that the full image isn't revealed until the end. A rough idea I have is to gradually create the Star of David using barbed wire to represent how the Jews were trapped wherever they tried to go reflecting the power that the Nazis had over them. This will be supported by the techniques of Zoomorphism, schematic diagrams and finally a visual metaphor of several roads that form a swastika which is where the star will be revealed. Should I only do parts of the star at first or should I make the image really blurred and gradually put it in focus. How would you do this or is this a bad idea altogether? Also, do you have any tips or guides for speech writing as I usually write them like an essay which teachers hate?
Post by: ProfLayton2000 on June 18, 2017, 09:10:18 pm
Post by: Wales on June 18, 2017, 09:13:57 pm
Any tips on how to structure a speech? (ive got a mod c speech to write)
Can you provide any details? Were you given a specific question?
https://atarnotes.com/speech-tips-for-assessments/
https://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php?topic=171348.0
There's some advice that helps with the speech giving part but are you asking about the content and structure? You want to be speaking TO the audience not AT. What differentiates a speech from essay is the way you present it.
Sorry if the advice is a bit vague but I can't really help without any topics or specific detail :(
Post by: DalvinT on June 19, 2017, 06:54:07 pm
Considering that there is no characters in most artworks, how do we write about it?
Do we base it off on our own experience of discovery (basis to what is considered "Responders") and write about it?
Caus I think it would be an interesting point to make in a response to any question that discoveries can occur within and out of text.
And also, would it be a good idea to pre-write an essay for Discovery, since the questions can be so broad... I'm comfortable with doing it with the other modules but not so much for AOS.
Post by: Blazeee on June 19, 2017, 07:01:42 pm
Ok cool thanks...
Is anyone able to upload an image of what they believe to be an inner journey?? Im finding it a bit hard to find one that i can write an entire essay on... I was kind of thinking of one that had a room full of doors but ive been searching for ages now and nothing of the sort comes up :(
Thanks heaps in advance very kind....
Hay did you find one? I've got a couple of good ones if u need...LMK if you still want one!
Post by: Wales on June 20, 2017, 06:41:21 pm
Hey guys! I have a question about using an artwork in AOS discovery.
Considering that there is no characters in most artworks, how do we write about it?
Do we base it off on our own experience of discovery (basis to what is considered "Responders") and write about it?
Caus I think it would be an interesting point to make in a response to any question that discoveries can occur within and out of text.
And also, would it be a good idea to pre-write an essay for Discovery, since the questions can be so broad... I'm comfortable with doing it with the other modules but not so much for AOS.
Pre-writing in general isn't the best idea if you're going to depend on it. I would definitely have an essay in mind when sitting the paper but you can't just regurgitate an essay and get a good mark, answering the questions is important.
That said, definitely have an essay drafted with all your quotes and concepts. It'll help your understanding of the texts.
Post by: 12070 on June 20, 2017, 07:43:18 pm
• Describe and reveal distinctively visual element
• Outline composer’s point of view created through the distinctively visual
• Analyse language forms and features
Spiegelman’s Maus depicts the power and control that the Germans held over the Jews during WWII. This is reflected by a visual metaphor of a swastika illustrated on page 125 which develops a confronting image for the audience as they visualise the irony in ‘We walked in the direction of Sosnowiec- but where to go’ demonstrating that the Jews were inevitably trapped.
Okay, so I'm trying to write a speech that has all of the essential information without digressing into writing an essay (applicable above). How do you reconstruct the key information into the form of a speech?
Post by: Wales on June 23, 2017, 06:12:56 pm
Distinctively visual technique 1
• Describe and reveal distinctively visual element
• Outline composer’s point of view created through the distinctively visual
• Analyse language forms and features
Spiegelman’s Maus depicts the power and control that the Germans held over the Jews during WWII. This is reflected by a visual metaphor of a swastika illustrated on page 125 which develops a confronting image for the audience as they visualise the irony in ‘We walked in the direction of Sosnowiec- but where to go’ demonstrating that the Jews were inevitably trapped.
Okay, so I'm trying to write a speech that has all of the essential information without digressing into writing an essay (applicable above). How do you reconstruct the key information into the form of a speech?
Writing a speech mainly is comprised of you talking to an audience. You want to give them quotes/evidence but not seem like you're just reading.
Have a read of the threads I posted regarding speeches. Those are some helpful links I would say.
https://atarnotes.com/speech-tips-for-assessments/
https://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php?topic=171348.0
Post by: Kaan709 on June 24, 2017, 04:58:06 pm
I'm kinda lost in regards to the 'central ideas' of worldly perspectives and relationships.
Thank you
Post by: yasminehrr on July 02, 2017, 11:56:25 am
I'm really struggling to study for paper one, does anyone have any exam techniques on what to do first? On creative, the essay or short answers?
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 02, 2017, 04:06:22 pm
Hi guys
I'm really struggling to study for paper one, does anyone have any exam techniques on what to do first? On creative, the essay or short answers?
Hey Yasmine, welcome to the forums! ;D
I'd say to maybe study for what you struggle with the most first! Your best will be to practice ;D
Here are a HEAP of resources that might help you along the way! ;D
Post by: DalvinT on July 05, 2017, 07:29:32 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 05, 2017, 09:03:36 pm
Hey, guys! I just did a practice essay for module A and realised that I JUST fit in 4 body paragraphs with a conclusion. However, I don't believe I can mimic this in exam conditions... If I were to go into the exam with 4 body paragraph plan and realise that in the middle of the essay writing, I can't fit it. How should I go about it? Especially if it is a two part question.
Hey Dalvin! Is it possible to adapt your plan such that the fourth paragraph is optional? Meaning, use it on the day if you can, otherwise ditch it to no great loss? :)
Post by: DalvinT on July 05, 2017, 10:40:35 pm
Hey,Dalvin! Is it possible to adapt your plan such that the fourth paragraph is optional? Meaning, use it on the day if you can, otherwise ditch it to no great loss? :)
Yeah! :) I was thinking to maybe incorporate evidence of both that can demonstrate a contrasting point... If that makes sense. For e.g. Prescribed text shows that discoveries are only meaningful if they are personal and educational. But one paragraph, just on related showing how discoveries can also be meaningful through an exploration of another's discovery.
Or do you think there would be an imbalance?
And I am also struggling to approach my creative as preparation for paper 1... Is it best to memorise the creative as written? Then modify it during the exam really quick? Just do a quick plan.
Post by: elysepopplewell on July 06, 2017, 10:37:35 pm
And I am also struggling to approach my creative as preparation for paper 1... Is it best to memorise the creative as written? Then modify it during the exam really quick? Just do a quick plan.
This was my technique, and I think possibly even the most popular technique for the creative! Memorising it and then adjusting it on the spot. The key is to recognise that you needn't just change the creative in one spot, but usually in several spots in order to show you've carefully and thoughtfully adjusted the work for the purpose of the creative. Memorising a creative and then not adjusting it enough in the exam is shooting yourself in the foot! So much time spent memorising - not enough time spent adjusting!
Post by: DalvinT on July 06, 2017, 10:43:53 pm
This was my technique, and I think possibly even the most popular technique for the creative! Memorising it and then adjusting it on the spot. The key is to recognise that you needn't just change the creative in one spot, but usually in several spots in order to show you've carefully and thoughtfully adjusted the work for the purpose of the creative. Memorising a creative and then not adjusting it enough in the exam is shooting yourself in the foot! So much time spent memorising - not enough time spent adjusting!
YAY! Alright, I'll keep reading it over and over and writing a few times before practising the skill of adjusting it to the stimulus! :) Thanks, Elyse.
Post by: t3jasw1 on July 08, 2017, 05:06:58 pm
1. do you have to find examples for EACH types of discovery in your texts? if yes, then how many examples per type of discovery?
2. how broad is a "broad" topic statement that you can go into the exam and tailor to the question? can you please give an example?
3. is it possible to memorise a discovery essay and then adapt it to the question during the exam?
4. how exactly do you figure out what you have to talk about in your body paragraphs?
i've been stuck with trying to write an essay for a few months now, no one's given me proper advise. hope someone can help! :)
Post by: DalvinT on July 09, 2017, 12:50:52 am
Discoveries can affirm or challenge society’s assumptions and beliefs about aspects of human experience and the world.
How does this quote represent your own understanding of discovery?
How do we word our thesis statements/topic sentences to disagree do this statement?
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 09, 2017, 09:32:22 pm
trials are ever-closer than before, and i still have no idea how to start on my discovery essay. i have a few things i wanted to clarify.
Hey! I'd be happy to help ;D
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1. do you have to find examples for EACH types of discovery in your texts? if yes, then how many examples per type of discovery?
Not necessarily, though preparing for each type is a good idea to make sure you can respond to any question. There's no magic number, just however many you think you'll need to respond to a question properly.
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2. how broad is a "broad" topic statement that you can go into the exam and tailor to the question? can you please give an example?
You can sort of plan where the specifics of the question can go. Something like:
________ discoveries have a significant impact on the individual - This can be honed to a question by specifying a type of Discovery, and or what the specific impact on the individual will be. Lots of options!
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3. is it possible to memorise a discovery essay and then adapt it to the question during the exam?
Yep - Here is a guide on it!
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4. how exactly do you figure out what you have to talk about in your body paragraphs?
So in the introduction you will present your big idea responding to the question - This is your Thesis. You then divide this into smaller arguments, those are your body paragraphs. Here is a super simple example:
Thesis: Burgers are awesome!
Paragraph #1: Beef burgers are awesome!
Paragraph #2: Chicken burgers are awesome!
Paragraph #3: Veggie burgers are awesome!
I've taken my "Burgers are awesome" argument, and split it into more manageable topics - This is what you should do for your essay ;D
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 09, 2017, 09:35:07 pm
Hey guys! It's me again lol... I'm going through some practice questions and I've noticed that this one is based on "Society"
Discoveries can affirm or challenge society’s assumptions and beliefs about aspects of human experience and the world.
How does this quote represent your own understanding of discovery?
How do we word our thesis statements/topic sentences to disagree do this statement?
Hey Dalvin! By society's assumption, you can just define that as our collective audience response to the text. There is no reason the "society" bit of the question needs to impact how you treat it in any substantial way: Maybe just throw the words "societal view" into your Thesis somewhere ;D
Post by: DalvinT on July 10, 2017, 10:12:48 pm
Hey Dalvin! By society's assumption, you can just define that as our collective audience response to the text. There is no reason the "society" bit of the question needs to impact how you treat it in any substantial way: Maybe just throw the words "societal view" into your Thesis somewhere ;D
Hey Jamon! I see!! :O Alrighty thanks so much!!
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 14, 2017, 08:04:21 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 14, 2017, 10:18:43 pm
hi! can anyone help me out with a related for exploring transitions? my prescribed text is billy elliot and my teacher is VERY picky with related texts like you wouldn't believe. thanks :)
One that pops to mind just on my background knowledge would be The Immigrant Chronicle by Peter Skrzynecki? It's a collection of poems written by a Polish-Australian migrant about his adapting to Australian culture, and it has a heap of resources around because it used to be a prescribed text for the AoS - Could be worth a look? ;D
Post by: Natasha.97 on July 14, 2017, 10:32:26 pm
Do you have to choose an ORT of a different type to your PT? E.g. PT is a collection of poems, could we choose a poem to analyse in terms of the module?
Thanks~ :)
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 14, 2017, 10:36:11 pm
One that pops to mind just on my background knowledge would be The Immigrant Chronicle by Peter Skrzynecki? It's a collection of poems written by a Polish-Australian migrant about his adapting to Australian culture, and it has a heap of resources around because it used to be a prescribed text for the AoS - Could be worth a look? ;D
my friend asked about skrzynecki as a related text, and she was told to find another one because skrzynecki's stuff is apparently "overused." thank you anyway!
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 14, 2017, 10:37:47 pm
Hi!
Do you have to choose an ORT of a different type to your PT? E.g. PT is a collection of poems, could we choose a poem to analyse in terms of the module?
Thanks~ :)
in my school we're told to have a related that's a different text type to our prescribed text, but people have still done well with say, a film and a film. i don't think it matters, at the end of the day it is personal preference :)
Post by: Natasha.97 on July 14, 2017, 10:40:51 pm
in my school we're told to have a related that's a different text type to our prescribed text, but people have still done well with say, a film and a film. i don't think it matters, at the end of the day it is personal preference :)
Thank you! ;D
Another question: Would you be penalised in your Trial if you use a Year 11 text as one of your ORTs? I guess in the HSC they wouldn't know what text you did, but not so sure about Trials...
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 14, 2017, 10:40:58 pm
my friend asked about skrzynecki as a related text, and she was told to find another one because skrzynecki's stuff is apparently "overused." thank you anyway!
Rats! Very picky indeed! Hmm... I want to say V for Vendetta, but I reckon that would be considered overused too ;) how about Fault in our Stars? Bit of a popular text and I've never seen it used as a related, buuuut if you are familiar with the text it could be a good pick?
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 14, 2017, 10:42:18 pm
Another question: Would you be penalised in your Trial if you use a Year 11 text as one of your ORTs? I guess in the HSC they wouldn't know what text you did, but not so sure about Trials...
In the HSC it is definitely okay, in the Trials, ask your teacher for their preference! There is no rule against it! ;D
Post by: Natasha.97 on July 14, 2017, 10:44:15 pm
In the HSC it is definitely okay, in the Trials, ask your teacher for their preference! There is no rule against it! ;D
Thanks! (loved your Maths lecture the other day :) finally understood Perms and Combs ;D ;D)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 14, 2017, 10:46:14 pm
Thanks! (loved your Maths lecture the other day :) finally understood Perms and Combs ;D ;D)
Aww, thanks so much! I am so glad! ;D
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 14, 2017, 10:50:34 pm
Another question: Would you be penalised in your Trial if you use a Year 11 text as one of your ORTs? I guess in the HSC they wouldn't know what text you did, but not so sure about Trials...
nope, not at all. if it works, then it works, i guess.
Rats! Very picky indeed! Hmm... I want to say V for Vendetta, but I reckon that would be considered overused too ;) how about Fault in our Stars? Bit of a popular text and I've never seen it used as a related, buuuut if you are familiar with the text it could be a good pick?
way too picky. tfios is studied in year 10 at my school so it'd probably be considered as "not sophisticated." :-/
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 14, 2017, 11:38:45 pm
nope, not at all. if it works, then it works, i guess.
way too picky. tfios is studied in year 10 at my school so it'd probably be considered as "not sophisticated." :-/
Yikes - Alrighty, tagging someone else in unless I think of something else! Perhaps some texts on this list would be worth considering. They are intended for Discovery but I bet a heap would work here too ;D
Post by: DalvinT on July 14, 2017, 11:59:09 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 15, 2017, 12:02:09 am
Helloo! I was just wondering if we are able to use second person pronoun in our essays? It has been a trend in DISCOVERY and Exploring Transitions reponses... Have been looking at BOSTES Exam Workbooks and seen a lot of them. But still unsure about it
Hey! Personally makes me uneasy - I'd avoid it the same as first person ones, but I'd be keen to hear other opinions! :)
Post by: DalvinT on July 15, 2017, 02:10:06 pm
my friend asked about skrzynecki as a related text, and she was told to find another one because skrzynecki's stuff is apparently "overused." thank you anyway!
Hey!
Try and see if you can get your hands on the exam workbooks from your local library! They contain related texts for the modules.
Sample 1
I have the 2012 workbook with me, and strangely, the student has used another film lol and still got a band 6 for it.
related was a film, Brick Lane (2007)
- quote from the introduction, "When entering into new worlds there are barriers which limit freedom and opportunities which extend it. In order to transition into new chapters of life, individuals must go through change, growth and accept the need for adaptation. Stephen Daldry's "Billy Eillot" (2002) follows the story of Billy who wishes to move into the world of professional ballet, however, is faced with challenges due to the town he resides in. The 2007 art house film 'Brick Lane' explores the transition into a new world which limits an individual's freedom and requires her to push through challenges in order to feel free again.".
Sample 2 related is ABC documentary on Sisters.
"The experiences and perceptions of moving into the world may be shaped within the historical, cultural, workplace and most important - social contexts and - include limiting and extending of individual freedom within a particular society. This is conveyed in Stephen Daldry's film "Billy Elliot" and Claire McCarthy's (ABC) the documentary 'Sisters"
I know it was "Into the World" before but they are practically the same, just "Exploring Transitions" is more complex.
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 15, 2017, 02:36:41 pm
Hey!
Try and see if you can get your hands on the exam workbooks from your local library! They contain related texts for the modules.
I know it was "Into the World" before but they are practically the same, just "Exploring Transitions" is more complex.
we are highly discouraged not to use a visual text when we already have a film which sucks because many recent films work great with billy elliot. thank you anyway!
Post by: morning_sunshine on July 17, 2017, 12:12:03 pm
So I am currently studying Henry Lawson and have no idea where to start with analysis, but also was not very lucky when looking for notes on this concept. Some guidance would be much appreciated and I just really need help with analysing his texts.
Thanks in advance
Post by: gilliesb18 on July 17, 2017, 02:25:07 pm
I'm wondering if anyone can help me to avoid using personal pronouns???
I keep going to use 'we' in sentences such as; ' we can see from the image above that....'
but i have been told to avoid using it! What is another option???
Thanks
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 17, 2017, 03:25:20 pm
Hi guys,
So I am currently studying Henry Lawson and have no idea where to start with analysis, but also was not very lucky when looking for notes on this concept. Some guidance would be much appreciated and I just really need help with analysing his texts.
Thanks in advance
hi, is this for distinctively visual? i know i struggled a lot with the concept at first - it does take a bit of getting used to. i don't do henry lawson but when you analyse the texts it's mostly just showing how the texts makes stuff 'distinctively visual' and how it can impact the reader in some way. for example, the hsc 2011 question: In what ways are people and their experiences brought to life through the distinctively visual? pretty much give examples of techniques, explain what they do, and say how the reader can experience distinctively visual. hope this helps!
Hello!!!
I'm wondering if anyone can help me to avoid using personal pronouns???
I keep going to use 'we' in sentences such as; ' we can see from the image above that....'
but i have been told to avoid using it! What is another option???
Thanks
with this, you can replace 'we' with other words! in that sentence, instead of saying 'we can see from the image above,' you can replace 'we' with the reader, audience, etc. hope this helps!
Post by: Natasha.97 on July 17, 2017, 03:41:16 pm
Hi guys,
So I am currently studying Henry Lawson and have no idea where to start with analysis, but also was not very lucky when looking for notes on this concept. Some guidance would be much appreciated and I just really need help with analysing his texts.
Thanks in advance
Hi! Look out for imagery and third-person (allowing responders to empathise) in Henry Lawson. I personally am not studying that text but I flicked through the web :)
Hello!!!
I'm wondering if anyone can help me to avoid using personal pronouns???
I keep going to use 'we' in sentences such as; ' we can see from the image above that....'
but i have been told to avoid using it! What is another option???
Thanks
Adding on to the above, my favourite is "responders" :)
Hope this helps :D
Post by: elysepopplewell on July 17, 2017, 07:09:39 pm
Hello!!!
I'm wondering if anyone can help me to avoid using personal pronouns???
I keep going to use 'we' in sentences such as; ' we can see from the image above that....'
but i have been told to avoid using it! What is another option???
Thanks
Just adding some more options here!
-A contemporary reader of the work may interpret..
-A modern audience will likely accept this...
-As contemporaries of the work of Yeats....
:)
Post by: Jerylieiah on July 17, 2017, 11:06:56 pm
Is it alright to change quotes a bit, for example, removing a phrase or modifying it slightly to make it shorter?
Post by: Natasha.97 on July 17, 2017, 11:08:47 pm
Hey
Is it alright to change quotes a bit, for example, removing a phrase or modifying it slightly to make it shorter?
I would usually replace the non-essential phrase/s with an ellipsis if the quote is just too long, not too sure about modifying it!
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 17, 2017, 11:18:22 pm
Hey
Is it alright to change quotes a bit, for example, removing a phrase or modifying it slightly to make it shorter?
100% agree with above, don't modify but you can definitely exclude parts of it if you need to! You can also replace words like "it" with more descriptive words to make the quote make more sense, if necessary. Normally you'd use square brackets to do that if you need to.
EG - "What have you done with [the bike]?"
You shouldn't need this too often though :)
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 18, 2017, 09:19:43 pm
anyway, do you guys think it would be okay to use a prescribed text from another module? like i used an advanced text for distinctively visual. i did it without realising in one of my internals last term but the teacher i had was pretty lenient with texts and didn't say anything about it??
high key freaking out because trials are in less than two weeks thanks
Post by: elysepopplewell on July 18, 2017, 09:25:35 pm
hi! i feel like all my questions are about related texts, they give me so much stress.
anyway, do you guys would it be okay to use a prescribed text from another module? like i used an advanced text for distinctively visual. i did it without realising in one of my internals last term but the teacher i had was pretty lenient with texts and didn't say anything about it??
high key freaking out because trials are in less than two weeks thanks
Laughing at high key hahaha
This link here addresses in the related text section that this is totally fine to do and you won't be disadvantaged in any way! :)
Post by: lucyjayne on July 20, 2017, 03:08:02 pm
I was wondering if it is a bad idea to compare characters in texts to biblical characters. For example, comparing Pi, from life of Pi, to Job because of the testing that occurs on his journey. Or would it be better to just leave that alone?
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 20, 2017, 03:11:08 pm
Hello,
I was wondering if it is a bad idea to compare characters in texts to biblical characters. For example, comparing Pi, from life of Pi, to Job because of the testing that occurs on his journey. Or would it be better to just leave that alone?
Hey! I think that's a great call - "The character of Pi is a biblical allusion to Job, which resonates with Christian audiences to..." - Very powerful technique to reference! ;D
Post by: Aussie1Italia2 on July 21, 2017, 11:15:03 am
I went to the Standard English Lecture. It was amazing! THank you for hosting it because I am honestly so glad I didn't have to go to an Adv. Lect. to get info/advice on essay writing and structuring etc.
Now I'm a bit confused for my module B. For my Close Study of a Text I am doing 'The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time'. And in the novel the protag. numbers his chapters with prime numbers would that be how the form displays a theme?
If that question makes sense.
Thank you!
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 21, 2017, 11:24:25 am
Hello!
I went to the Standard English Lecture. It was amazing! THank you for hosting it because I am honestly so glad I didn't have to go to an Adv. Lect. to get info/advice on essay writing and structuring etc.
Now I'm a bit confused for my module B. For my Close Study of a Text I am doing 'The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time'. And in the novel the protag. numbers his chapters with prime numbers would that be how the form displays a theme?
If that question makes sense.
Thank you!
So glad you enjoyed the lecture!! We were really happy we got to put it on and it seems to have done really well, so hopefully it will stay as a permanent part of the timetable ;D
That is definitely a way to communicate something, about the character or a theme or something! I suppose it is up to you to figure out what those prime number labels represent, why has the composer put them there? ;D
Post by: Aussie1Italia2 on July 21, 2017, 11:40:37 am
Thank you!!!
Post by: blasonduo on July 21, 2017, 12:16:17 pm
Ok; can I please have an explanation of the specific conventions of a novel. Because the English teachers I ask don't exactly explain it.
Thank you!!!
Hello! This is also my set text; to understand the prime numbers, you need to understand the character of Christopher. Christopher is all about logic and order; and hence why he loves maths so much.
"The rule for working out prime numbers is really simple, but no one has ever worked out a simple formula for telling you whether a very big number is a prime number or what the next one will be. If a number is really, really big, it can take a computer years to work out whether it is a prime number."
A simple concept, that can be very complicated, which he then links to life; which he finds the most confusing.
"Prime numbers are what is left when you have taken all the patterns away. I think prime numbers are like life. They are very logical but you could never work out the rules, even if you spent all your time thinking about them."
So overall, the prime numbers represent christopher's character, his logical thinking on life which is contrasted by the complex rules of society.
But again, this is english, and could have multiple meanings! :)
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 21, 2017, 12:24:37 pm
Trials are a week away and im still struggling with finding related material ughh
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 21, 2017, 12:25:52 pm
So anyone doing Robert Frost poertry for AOS, do you guys have any ideas for related text?
Trials are a week away and im still struggling with finding related material ughh
Hey! Here's a list of suggested ORT's! :)
Post by: JD99 on July 21, 2017, 03:42:27 pm
Not sure if this question has been asked already, but... Is it alright/good/bad to use a quote at the beginning of an english essay, specifically a Discovery essay?
Thanks!
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 21, 2017, 03:51:49 pm
Hello...
Not sure if this question has been asked already, but... Is it alright/good/bad to use a quote at the beginning of an english essay, specifically a Discovery essay?
Thanks!
i've never done this, but i think people i know who have done this were told not to? that's just what i've heard, but i personally can't find it within myself to do it. it does depend on the quote though!
Post by: limtou on July 21, 2017, 04:03:07 pm
Hello...
Not sure if this question has been asked already, but... Is it alright/good/bad to use a quote at the beginning of an english essay, specifically a Discovery essay?
Thanks!
In the rubric, it does specify that "students examine, question, and reflect and speculate on..." so the essay should be based on your views, not someone else's. Starting off an essay with a quote will appear to the marker as though your understanding of discovery and of the texts are reliant on other's views, rather than one you have developed yourself. Having said that, using a quote to back up your argument should be fine and more preferable :)
Post by: lucyjayne on July 21, 2017, 06:55:57 pm
I was just wondering if this would be a good thesis for module A or if it's too vague
"By using distinctively visual to represent different images of world events, composers are able to give audiences new insights and understandings into the experiences of individuals. This experience of meaningful images prompts audiences to reconsider what is known as they develop a more enriched worldview."
Thanks
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 21, 2017, 07:49:36 pm
Hey! Here's a list of suggested ORT's! :)THANK YOU!!!
Seriously you guys are amazing
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 21, 2017, 10:51:05 pm
Hi,
I was just wondering if this would be a good thesis for module A or if it's too vague
"By using distinctively visual to represent different images of world events, composers are able to give audiences new insights and understandings into the experiences of individuals. This experience of meaningful images prompts audiences to reconsider what is known as they develop a more enriched worldview."
Thanks
Hey Lucy! I think right now it perhaps is a tad vague, it is quite general, world view and world events could encompass lots. In saying that, this works well as a prepared Thesis, because you could adapt to a question really easily! ;D
Post by: erinford on July 22, 2017, 01:48:44 pm
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 22, 2017, 03:00:19 pm
quick question
i think i remember my teacher saying that we should never mention the ORT in the introduction of an essay
is this true (my teacher often gives us misleading information which is why im double checking by asking you guys)
Mod Edit: Post merge :)
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 22, 2017, 03:21:30 pm
Hi!! I went to the lectures over the holidays and Emily (bless her soul) was talking about integrated paragraphs for English, I have never heard of it before and though I would give it a go because I am struggling to push past the 70% range with English and thought this might help to get me a few extra marks :). Anyways for discovery we have a collection of poems, I'm not sure if I should state each poem as I quote it or if I should just state the authors with no specific reference to the name of the poem. I know the second is not very good because the marker doesn't know which poem it is from, but I feel like if I am bouncing back and forth between the poems it might get a bit confusing.
integrated only works if you do it well - i personally don't do it because i do better with separated paragraphs. i would suggest handing up essays with integrated paragraphs so you can see how well you do with them :)
as for stating the poems as you quote, don't state the poem you're talking about every time you quote because i don't know if i was reading that i feel like i'd be reading the poem's title, rather than your actual essay. when you're in the middle of your paragraph and you want to introduce your next poem, state the title, and the marker will (most likely) assume you're going to continue talking about that same one. keep in mind the markers would have read a few of the texts already, and might know which poem you're talking about :)
hope this helps!
Since discovery has only been examined for 2 years does anyone have an school trial questions or anything that we practise off
try googling "thsc," they have many past papers on there from various schools :)
quick question
i think i remember my teacher saying that we should never mention the ORT in the introduction of an essay
is this true (my teacher often gives us misleading information which is why im double checking by asking you guys)
always mention your related in your introduction - you're going to be writing about it in your essay! if i'm not mistaken, many markers just read the introduction and skim through the rest until the conclusion so mention your related - that way they'll know you're going to write about it.
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 22, 2017, 03:41:22 pm
integrated only works if you do it well - i personally don't do it because i do better with separated paragraphs. i would suggest handing up essays with integrated paragraphs so you can see how well you do with them :)
as for stating the poems as you quote, don't state the poem you're talking about every time you quote because i don't know if i was reading that i feel like i'd be reading the poem's title, rather than your actual essay. when you're in the middle of your paragraph and you want to introduce your next poem, state the title, and the marker will (most likely) assume you're going to continue talking about that same one. keep in mind the markers would have read a few of the texts already, and might know which poem you're talking about :)
hope this helps!
try googling "thsc," they have many past papers on there from various schools :)
always mention your related in your introduction - you're going to be writing about it in your essay! if i'm not mistaken, many markers just read the introduction and skim through the rest until the conclusion so mention your related - that way they'll know you're going to write about it.
omg that website thsc is amazing THANK YOUUUUUU
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 22, 2017, 06:22:45 pm
so see how the main character of a poem is called a persona
whats the main charcter of a picture book called
(im doing my aos essay and the red tree is my ort so im not what to refer to the main charcter as in my essay)
and also, what is a sophesticated way of saying picture book
PLS HELP
Post by: beatroot on July 22, 2017, 07:00:54 pm
Need opinions on how I should structure my essay for Discovery and Mod C (Exploring Transitions)
AOS: Away - Michael Gow
1st body: Coral (during process of discovery)
2nd body: Coral (after discovery)
3rd body: ORT (during process of discovery)
4th body: ORT (after discovery)
OR
1st body: Coral (before, during and after discovery)
2nd body: Gwen/Tom (before, during and after discovery)
3rd body: ORT (before, during and after discovery)
OR
1st body: Coral and ORT (during process)
2nd body: Coral and ORT (after)
Mod C: Billy Elliot
1st body: Billy (during transition)
2nd body: Billy (after transition)
3rd body: ORT (during transition)
4th body: ORT (after transition)
OR
1st body: Billy (before, during, after transition)
2nd body: Jackie (before, during, after transition)
3rd body: ORT (before, during, after transition)
OR
1st body: Billy/Jackie and ORT (before and during)
2nd body: Billy/Jackie and ORT (after)
2 paragraphs : 4 quotes each paragraph
3 paragraphs : 3 quotes each paragraph
4 paragraphs : 2 quotes each paragraph
I'm not really sure which structure I should pick for each topic!! Just worried about the time limit for each essay. Thank you ;D
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 22, 2017, 07:28:49 pm
hey
so see how the main character of a poem is called a persona
whats the main charcter of a picture book called
(im doing my aos essay and the red tree is my ort so im not what to refer to the main charcter as in my essay)
and also, what is a sophesticated way of saying picture book
PLS HELP
i'd just call them the protagonist. about a sophisticated way to reference a picture book, i don't think there's any - just call it a picture book. you don't have to mention the text type a lot in an essay so don't worry too much about that :)
Hey everyone,
Need opinions on how I should structure my essay for Discovery and Mod C (Exploring Transitions)
AOS: Away - Michael Gow
1st body: Coral (during process of discovery)
2nd body: Coral (after discovery)
3rd body: ORT (during process of discovery)
4th body: ORT (after discovery)
OR
1st body: Coral (before, during and after discovery)
2nd body: Gwen/Tom (before, during and after discovery)
3rd body: ORT (before, during and after discovery)
OR
1st body: Coral and ORT (during process)
2nd body: Coral and ORT (after)
Mod C: Billy Elliot
1st body: Billy (during transition)
2nd body: Billy (after transition)
3rd body: ORT (during transition)
4th body: ORT (after transition)
OR
1st body: Billy (before, during, after transition)
2nd body: Jackie (before, during, after transition)
3rd body: ORT (before, during, after transition)
OR
1st body: Billy/Jackie and ORT (before and during)
2nd body: Billy/Jackie and ORT (after)
2 paragraphs : 4 quotes each paragraph
3 paragraphs : 3 quotes each paragraph
4 paragraphs : 2 quotes each paragraph
I'm not really sure which structure I should pick for each topic!! Just worried about the time limit for each essay. Thank you ;D
hi! i don't know how qualified i am to tell you which structure's better but for me i always do the first structure for each module you mentioned, because there's a balance and it's easier not to leave details out. as for the time limit in an essay, here's a link for handwriting: https://atarnotes.com/handwriting-improving-speed-neatness-and-legibility/ if you don't finish your essay, a conclusion isn't always necessary (i've asked a few teachers on this :) )
Post by: JD99 on July 23, 2017, 06:54:08 pm
Post by: SwarnikaR on July 24, 2017, 08:59:23 pm
finding ort's is the hardest thing everrrrr
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 24, 2017, 09:03:04 pm
Does anyone have any ideas for what i can use for my ORT for Billy ElliotCheck this out (literelly my ort lifeline)
finding ort's is the hardest thing everrrrr
https://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php?topic=168810.60
Post by: SwarnikaR on July 24, 2017, 09:06:33 pm
Check this out (literelly my ort lifeline)
https://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php?topic=168810.60
OMG THIS IS AMAZING THANKS SO MUCH
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 24, 2017, 09:08:11 pm
OMG THIS IS AMAZING THANKS SO MUCHhahaha nw ;D ( this was my reaction too:)
Post by: Mounica on July 24, 2017, 09:21:54 pm
im pretty shit at memorising, any tips on what i should do?
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 24, 2017, 09:25:40 pm
i had a quick question, so my teacher told us that our essay for discovery should be around 1200 words but we only have 40 minutes to write itgirl 40 minutes for 1200 words is insane, even if youre a super fast writer i think it takes longer than 40 minutes to write it all down
im pretty shit at memorising, any tips on what i should do?
isnt there any way you can shorten your essay a bit?
when's your trial?
Post by: Mounica on July 24, 2017, 09:28:11 pm
girl 40 minutes for 1200 words is insane, even if youre a super fast writer i think it takes longer than 40 minutes to write it all downtell me about it ughhhhhhhhhhh
isnt there any way you can shorten your essay a bit?
when's your trial?
my trials start next week
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 24, 2017, 09:32:18 pm
tell me about it ughhhhhhhhhhhhow about you start memorising now and do a paragraphh or two each day and practise writing what you've memorised each day + what you memorised the day before
my trials start next week
so by the time of your exam you'll have the whole thing memorised and you'll most probably write it within a time frame :)
Post by: 12070 on July 24, 2017, 09:52:08 pm
i had a quick question, so my teacher told us that our essay for discovery should be around 1200 words but we only have 40 minutes to write it
im pretty shit at memorising, any tips on what i should do?
I personally could not write 1200 words in 40 minutes but if you can that's great! However, markers do not like superfluous essays so if you are going to write a 1200 word essay make sure it's succinct and necessary for your analysis otherwise you are wasting valuable time. In terms of memorising essays, I always start by writing as little as I can where when reading it back and fill in the missing words. Obviously, on the first go, it will pretty much be the entire essay. Keep shortening it until you only need a few key words to remember the sentence or ideally, the whole paragraph. Another effective method is recording yourself and trying to read along when you're driving to school or whenever you are free. AN also have a guide on memorising essay here https://atarnotes.com/memorising-english-essays/
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 24, 2017, 10:04:57 pm
I personally could not write 1200 words in 40 minutes but if you can that's great! However, markers do not like superfluous essays so if you are going to write a 1200 word essay make sure it's succinct and necessary for your analysis otherwise you are wasting valuable time. In terms of memorising essays, I always start by writing as little as I can where when reading it back and fill in the missing words. Obviously, on the first go, it will pretty much be the entire essay. Keep shortening it until you only need a few key words to remember the sentence or ideally, the whole paragraph. Another effective method is recording yourself and trying to read along when you're driving to school or whenever you are free. AN also have a guide on memorising essay here https://atarnotes.com/memorising-english-essays/
thats what i was thinking too, 1200 words in 40 mins for me is impossible
Post by: Mounica on July 24, 2017, 10:15:58 pm
I personally could not write 1200 words in 40 minutes but if you can that's great! However, markers do not like superfluous essays so if you are going to write a 1200 word essay make sure it's succinct and necessary for your analysis otherwise you are wasting valuable time. In terms of memorising essays, I always start by writing as little as I can where when reading it back and fill in the missing words. Obviously, on the first go, it will pretty much be the entire essay. Keep shortening it until you only need a few key words to remember the sentence or ideally, the whole paragraph. Another effective method is recording yourself and trying to read along when you're driving to school or whenever you are free. AN also have a guide on memorising essay here https://atarnotes.com/memorising-english-essays/
thats what i was thinking too, 1200 words in 40 mins for me is impossible
thanks guys, ill try these things out, i have no idea if itll work or not but its worth a try
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 25, 2017, 11:25:36 am
Post by: TheFreeMarketeer on July 25, 2017, 11:44:46 am
do we need related material for all the modules (a,b,c)?
I'm pretty sure it's just for C.
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 25, 2017, 11:47:18 am
I'm pretty sure it's just for C.i know that we need it for mod A and C, but im not sure about mod B bc its a close study of text
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 25, 2017, 11:57:11 am
i know that we need it for mod A and C, but im not sure about mod B bc its a close study of text
you don't need a related for b because it's a close study of text - you'll only need to prepare your prescribed for that. :)
Post by: 12070 on July 25, 2017, 12:08:17 pm
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 25, 2017, 12:33:56 pm
How do you avoid retell for your related texts if you need them to understand the context. For example, 'Likewise, Spiegelman’s innovative use of zoomorphism creates a distinctive visual contrast between each group as the Jewish mice are being hunted by cat-like Germans elucidating exactly who is dominant of whom.' I feel like the marker won't understand my explanation without the retell but if I put it in I will be punished.im no professional but what i do is i dont really retell what the text is about
i just tend to show how it relates or contrasts my prescribed text
and it works for me cos markers get really annoyed when we retell
so id say dont really bother about the plot just make sure you show how the prescribed text and the ort are similar or different in ways
hope that helped!
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 25, 2017, 03:13:37 pm
How do you avoid retell for your related texts if you need them to understand the context. For example, 'Likewise, Spiegelman’s innovative use of zoomorphism creates a distinctive visual contrast between each group as the Jewish mice are being hunted by cat-like Germans elucidating exactly who is dominant of whom.' I feel like the marker won't understand my explanation without the retell but if I put it in I will be punished.
Hey! The extra detail you've added there that you don't need is that the mice are being hunted, I'd just say "zoomorphism creates a distinct visual contrast between the Jewish mice and the cat-like Germans..." or something similar, you don't need to say what is happening ;D
Post by: 12070 on July 26, 2017, 04:27:28 pm
Post by: AyeJay on July 26, 2017, 05:48:08 pm
I am using the poem 'Ariel' as a related text.
Is there a technique for the way 'shadows' is one word on a line by itself
'Black sweet blood mouthfuls,
Shadows.
Something else'
Post by: lucyjayne on July 26, 2017, 06:24:46 pm
So I was looking for related texts for Module C: Exploring transitions and I was wondering if the Film Juno would be sophisticated enough as a related text for The simple Gift? It has some of the same themes and I'm stuck on finding anything else...
Thanks :)
Post by: beatroot on July 26, 2017, 08:53:04 pm
Hi
I am using the poem 'Ariel' as a related text.
Is there a technique for the way 'shadows' is one word on a line by itself
'Black sweet blood mouthfuls,
Shadows.
Something else'
When referencing this quote in your essay, will you be putting it in a 'block' quotation? Because the marker might not know that "Shadows." is on a separate line. You can say that the punctuation (comma after mouthfuls and the full stop after shadows) "isolates" the word, drawing the reader's attention to it.
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 26, 2017, 09:12:58 pm
Hey,
So I was looking for related texts for Module C: Exploring transitions and I was wondering if the Film Juno would be sophisticated enough as a related text for The simple Gift? It has some of the same themes and I'm stuck on finding anything else...
Thanks :)
Are you able to identify a decent number of techniques in the film? If so, I reckon it would work for you! Techniques are really the key ;D
Post by: AyeJay on July 27, 2017, 11:36:30 am
When referencing this quote in your essay, will you be putting it in a 'block' quotation? Because the marker might not know that "Shadows." is on a separate line. You can say that the punctuation (comma after mouthfuls and the full stop after shadows) "isolates" the word, drawing the reader's attention to it.
No i wasn't going to put the whole block in....
unless i just include the line before it and use punctuation... then they can see the comma as well. yup i think i might do that. Thx :)
Post by: morning_sunshine on July 27, 2017, 07:52:57 pm
I am using Rosemary Dobson's poem 'Cock Crow' as a related material but would like some help with making some annotations. I have already got a few quotes but need a few more in order to use it well in my essay if that makes sense.
Thanks in advance
Post by: DalvinT on July 27, 2017, 08:12:11 pm
Hey,
So I was looking for related texts for Module C: Exploring transitions and I was wondering if the Film Juno would be sophisticated enough as a related text for The simple Gift? It has some of the same themes and I'm stuck on finding anything else...
Thanks :)
YES! Juno is a brilliant text! And shows transitions not only in Juno but also in Vanessa! It really shows that transitions results in new ideas, shifts in attitudes and beliefs, etc.!
I was going to do it but then found a better one for Educating Rita :)
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 27, 2017, 08:48:52 pm
usually for an essay i do two paragraphs for each of my texts, and i was wondering how i should structure my essay for discovery? should i structure them so the first paragraph will be a 'before' and have the second paragraph as an after discovery kind of thing?
i hope this makes sense hahahah
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 28, 2017, 03:25:49 pm
i'm doing the play away for discovery, and when we studied it last year, my teacher said not to include dialogue as a technique because a play is dialogue... i'm trying to fish for techniques but dialogue is the only thing i can think of for one of my quotes 😂 should i not mention a quote as dialogue?
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 28, 2017, 03:49:26 pm
gooood day friends (not really i'm very stressed about everything)
i'm doing the play away for discovery, and when we studied it last year, my teacher said not to include dialogue as a technique because a play is dialogue... i'm trying to fish for techniques but dialogue is the only thing i can think of for one of my quotes 😂 should i not mention a quote as dialogue?
Hey! In a play, dialogue is probably not the most effective choice - You could use tone though, if it suits? :)
Post by: Natasha.97 on July 28, 2017, 04:24:28 pm
gooood day friends (not really i'm very stressed about everything)
i'm doing the play away for discovery, and when we studied it last year, my teacher said not to include dialogue as a technique because a play is dialogue... i'm trying to fish for techniques but dialogue is the only thing i can think of for one of my quotes 😂 should i not mention a quote as dialogue?
Hi!
I'm doing a play for Mod C, and my teacher told me that we should use stage directions as a technique :)
Post by: Jenny_trn on July 28, 2017, 10:24:31 pm
;D ;D ;D
P.S the text is 'Memorial' by Shaun Tan and Gary Crew for anyone curious !!
Post by: DalvinT on July 29, 2017, 02:58:04 pm
gooood day friends (not really i'm very stressed about everything)
i'm doing the play away for discovery, and when we studied it last year, my teacher said not to include dialogue as a technique because a play is dialogue... i'm trying to fish for techniques but dialogue is the only thing i can think of for one of my quotes 😂 should i not mention a quote as dialogue?
Hey! I usually look at the punctuation within the dialogue and imagine how it would sound and look like if we saw it live as play. Like an asyndeton or cumulative listing would most likely quicken the tempo of the dialogue.
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 29, 2017, 03:48:36 pm
Hey! In a play, dialogue is probably not the most effective choice - You could use tone though, if it suits? :)
Hey! I usually look at the punctuation within the dialogue and imagine how it would sound and look like if we saw it live as play. Like an asyndeton or cumulative listing would most likely quicken the tempo of the dialogue.
thanks guys! will definitely take this techniques into account when writing. :-)
Hi!
I'm doing a play for Mod C, and my teacher told me that we should use stage directions as a technique :)
stage directions are cool because you can just quote them and say 'through the use of stage directions, it can be concluded that...' but what i was referring to was someone talking without any stage directions in between and i tried to pick up a technique but i couldn't see anything there 🙄
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 29, 2017, 03:51:26 pm
For visual texts, is there a technique or word to describe how an author places an image on pages and then parts of the image would continue 'off the page'? I'm referring to the one in the attachment. I'm analysing this page and want to say that the supposed technique is indicative of its age as well as its years of interweaving with the local community..etc. I know i don't need it but I'm curious to see if there is something that describes that.
;D ;D ;D
P.S the text is 'Memorial' by Shaun Tan and Gary Crew for anyone curious !!
the only technique i can think of is vector lines :-/ sorry i can't help you any more than that!
Post by: beatroot on July 29, 2017, 05:23:59 pm
Post by: Natasha.97 on July 29, 2017, 05:49:07 pm
Is it too late to change my related text for Mod C? I feel like I know more of my new related text than my first one. Plus my new ORT relates more to the Mod C rubric.
Hey! It depends when your trials are for Paper 2. If you have at least a week, go for it! I swapped my Discovery RT last week and it honestly works so much better with my PT. It's much better than trying to get quotes and making them fit into the rubric :)
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 29, 2017, 05:52:57 pm
Is it too late to change my related text for Mod C? I feel like I know more of my new related text than my first one. Plus my new ORT relates more to the Mod C rubric.
i'm going to sound so lame but the only word i have is... yolo honestly i changed my related for distinctively visual the night before the assessment and ended up doing a lot better than my practices so if you think it's better, then it probably is. :-)
Post by: beatroot on July 29, 2017, 09:45:35 pm
Hey! It depends when your trials are for Paper 2. If you have at least a week, go for it! I swapped my Discovery RT last week and it honestly works so much better with my PT. It's much better than trying to get quotes and making them fit into the rubric :)
My trial for Paper 2 is actually this Tuesday! I've written notes for my second ORT today and will do a practice essay tomorrow. Will that benefit me at all? Or still too risky?
Post by: Natasha.97 on July 29, 2017, 10:04:10 pm
My trial for Paper 2 is actually this Tuesday! I've written notes for my second ORT today and will do a practice essay tomorrow. Will that benefit me at all? Or still too risky?
Hey! My Paper 2 is also on Tuesday as well :P
imo, if you really think that the new ORT works better than your previous one, I don't see why not! The only risk is not knowing your quotes off by heart so just keep reciting them out loud/write them out on paper :)
Post by: lucyjayne on July 30, 2017, 05:56:35 pm
Is it too late to change my related text for Mod C? I feel like I know more of my new related text than my first one. Plus my new ORT relates more to the Mod C rubric.
If you know it better sounds good. I've hardly even got one so you should be fine.
Post by: sophia123 on July 30, 2017, 06:42:58 pm
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 30, 2017, 06:58:21 pm
thoughts about using 'Mirror' by Sylvia Plath as a related text for the discovery paper? I understand due to the high textual integrity of Plath, that it should be used carefully and analysis should be thought out and linked well...but will it be ok? I am having second thoughts (yes trials are tomorrow...eek!)
i reckon mirror's great from discovery! if you think it's better, then it probably is :-) i changed my related the night before an internal assessment last term and it was probably the best decision i made because i ended up doing a lot better than my practices, so trust your instincts.
good luck for trials (we all need it aye)
Post by: lucyjayne on July 31, 2017, 02:36:24 pm
I'm really struggling to prepare for paper 2, does any one have any suggestions of how this is done? My texts are Shoe-horn sonata (RT Maus) , curious incident... and the simple gift (RT Book thief). I'm kinda reluctant to prepare too much because I did this today and it was the essay question was completely different to what I had prepared for and honestly I just hate english so much and idk why they think exams are a good idea ever but especially for english.
Thanks
Post by: beatroot on July 31, 2017, 04:29:51 pm
Post by: beatroot on July 31, 2017, 04:36:03 pm
Hey,
I'm really struggling to prepare for paper 2, does any one have any suggestions of how this is done? My texts are Shoe-horn sonata (RT Maus) , curious incident... and the simple gift (RT Book thief). I'm kinda reluctant to prepare too much because I did this today and it was the essay question was completely different to what I had prepared for and honestly I just hate english so much and idk why they think exams are a good idea ever but especially for english.
Thanks
I know how you are feeling at the moment! I'm trying to memorise all my quotes and techniques for tomorrow!!
Have you tried making a palm card for each key idea or poem or character for all your texts? (I do different texts to you so I'm not quite sure but I'll tell you how I preparing for my Paper 2). For my Mod A (Douglas Stewart's poems), I had a palm card for each poem and had the key ideas, quotes and techniques on the back. For for Mod B (Life and Crimes ....), I had a palm card for each key idea (corruption, criminality, technology etc) and had quotes & techniques on the back. While my for Mod C (Billy Elliot), I focused more on each character, how they experienced transitions (before and after) and had film techniques on the back. Same thing goes for all your related texts.
BY having a system like this, you'll be super organised and prepared for paper two! :) :)
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 31, 2017, 04:37:20 pm
Hey,
I'm really struggling to prepare for paper 2, does any one have any suggestions of how this is done? My texts are Shoe-horn sonata (RT Maus) , curious incident... and the simple gift (RT Book thief). I'm kinda reluctant to prepare too much because I did this today and it was the essay question was completely different to what I had prepared for and honestly I just hate english so much and idk why they think exams are a good idea ever but especially for english.
Thanks
i feel you. i prepared for all the different possibilities thinking that i had everything covered, and the essay question was so bad i ended up rehashing the plot of each of my texts :-/
anyway, paper 2 is where it's at!!! this is what i've done, so i have 3 sets of palm cards with quotes for each of my texts (only one set of quotes for each module though). the thing with modules is there's only so much they can ask, and if you're doing cssa they make the question sound all complicated and stuff but usually you can argue with the question though 'to what extent' or 'explore' or i don't know words like that.
i hate english with a passion no joke like i can't stand it and the fact that there's 2 exams??? lmaoooo get out but just keep in mind there's only so much that can be asked with the modules.
good luck for tomorrow!! may we all go in focused and not start daydreaming or have our hands hurt
How likely is Paper two going to ask a question on a specific key idea or poem or scene (for any modules in general)?
ooooh interesting i wouldn't have a clue! cssa is going to pull some weird shit like today i'm not even going to lie about that wtf was that whole paper today... however, the rubric for the modules is a loooot smaller so there's more of a limit as to what can be asked key idea wise but there better not be an extract especially for module a i'll literally walk out the hall (i hope i won't)
Post by: britt.jayne on July 31, 2017, 05:13:17 pm
“In my house we give glory to self- respect, and hard work.”
THANKS SO MUCH!!! ;D
Post by: JD99 on July 31, 2017, 05:34:51 pm
They can pretty much ask about any aspect of the play, and I'm just wondering how am i supposed to come up with a thesis, and how to structure the essay...??
thanks!
Post by: JD99 on July 31, 2017, 06:00:18 pm
what is the technique in..
“In my house we give glory to self- respect, and hard work.”
THANKS SO MUCH!!! ;D
You could potentially use first person pronouns as a technique? 'my' and 'we'.... jst an idea!!
Post by: britt.jayne on July 31, 2017, 06:02:19 pm
You could potentially use first person pronouns as a technique? 'my' and 'we'.... jst an idea!!
THANKS SO MUCH!!
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 31, 2017, 06:18:59 pm
Hey,
I'm really struggling to prepare for paper 2, does any one have any suggestions of how this is done? My texts are Shoe-horn sonata (RT Maus) , curious incident... and the simple gift (RT Book thief). I'm kinda reluctant to prepare too much because I did this today and it was the essay question was completely different to what I had prepared for and honestly I just hate english so much and idk why they think exams are a good idea ever but especially for english.
Thanks
Hey! I know Paper 1 today was brutal for a lot of people, but chin up! If you do the right things and stay positive you can absolutely bring it around for Paper 2 ;D
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 31, 2017, 06:20:24 pm
How likely is Paper two going to ask a question on a specific key idea or poem or scene (for any modules in general)?
Hey! It is unlikely, but very much possible - They've done specific questions like these before, you need to know your texts well enough that you can answer them (which means knowing all your poems if there are multiple, for example) :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 31, 2017, 06:22:34 pm
I knooww, very last minute but would someone be able to give me some tips on studying for the close study module? (we're doing Merchant of Venice)
They can pretty much ask about any aspect of the play, and I'm just wondering how am i supposed to come up with a thesis, and how to structure the essay...??
thanks!
Hey! With time short, do two things:
1. Memorise a bunch of quotes covering different themes and different aspects of your texts.
2. Do dot point essays for a heap of practice questions (here is a bunch) to practice fitting those quotes to the question.
As for structure, the simplest is probably just one theme per paragraph! ;D
Post by: Andrea Godoy on July 31, 2017, 06:28:37 pm
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 31, 2017, 06:40:25 pm
Are there any notes for the Persistence of Memory for distinctively visual. I have some but I'm not that confident as my teacher didn't help me with it. My essay is tomorrow and I have not idea what to do.
nooo sorry :-( seems like a pretty rare text. if you don't know what to do, bullshit everything - you'll get some marks from that. make an essay plan, do as much as possible. i know procrastinating and giving up seems ideal right now but we don't have long to go!! good luck
Post by: JD99 on July 31, 2017, 08:40:50 pm
THANKS SO MUCH!!
No problems! :)
glad to help a fellow night-before-trial-person in need! :D
Post by: JD99 on July 31, 2017, 08:42:25 pm
Hey! With time short, do two things:
1. Memorise a bunch of quotes covering different themes and different aspects of your texts.
2. Do dot point essays for a heap of practice questions (here is a bunch) to practice fitting those quotes to the question.
As for structure, the simplest is probably just one theme per paragraph! ;D
You. Are. A. Legend. Thank you Jamon!!!!!! :) :) :)
Post by: lucyjayne on July 31, 2017, 09:45:08 pm
I was just wondering if we have to censor our quotes. Like with a quote from Curious Incident of the dog in the night time that says what the f*** are you doing with my dog?
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 31, 2017, 09:47:06 pm
Hey,
I was just wondering if we have to censor our quotes. Like with a quote from Curious Incident of the dog in the night time that says what the f*** are you doing with my dog?
Hey! Nope, if your text uses profanity, that's actually a technique! So keep it in (and perhaps discuss its use)
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 31, 2017, 09:48:02 pm
Hey,
I was just wondering if we have to censor our quotes. Like with a quote from Curious Incident of the dog in the night time that says what the f*** are you doing with my dog?
nope, not at all. billy elliot is full of swearing left and right and i got a huge tick when i quoted "he did it! he fucking did it!" 😂 use this as your chance to swear in essays hahahah
Post by: lucyjayne on July 31, 2017, 09:48:34 pm
Hey! Nope, if your text uses profanity, that's actually a technique! So keep it in (and perhaps discuss its use)
My Christian school is going to love that haha. Just doesn't feel right. Thanks.
Post by: JD99 on July 31, 2017, 10:06:45 pm
Post by: kdawgs on August 02, 2017, 09:56:55 pm
Hi I'm an advanced candidate trying to help a friend out. He's struggling to make a general statement for his essays for the first module in this question. Can anyone help?
Post by: jamonwindeyer on August 02, 2017, 10:38:49 pm
In what ways are people and their experiences brought to life through the distinctively visual?
Hi I'm an advanced candidate trying to help a friend out. He's struggling to make a general statement for his essays for the first module in this question. Can anyone help?
You should tell him to make an account and ask us! ;D
To pass on though, perhaps just something about how composers need to create images the audience can empathise with to convey their points? So:
To most effectively convey experiences, composers must use language to craft distinctive images that the audience can empathise with.
^ Super quick and clunky but something like that? Then you could lead into the themes you want to talk about :)
Post by: mattmuzz on August 03, 2017, 05:14:31 pm
Post by: Natasha.97 on August 03, 2017, 07:59:58 pm
so for my trials i have to do a speech as well and i need help with my structure for my speech. The speech is on mod c "texts and society" and the question is explain the individual's response to the challenges faced during transition and how these are presented by the composer in Billy Elliot and a related text
Hi! I did a speech for my Mod C Assessment Task as well :P
Intro
- I'd probs go with something like "Today I will be addressing..."
- Introduce your PT and how the individual (Billy?) responds to challenges (brief overview of what challenges)
- Similarly/Contrastingly ... the individual in your ORT, do they deal with challenges a different way?
Body Paragraph Structure (Billy Elliot/ORT)
- Topic sentence addressing the question
- Usual PEEL structure showing their response
- End of paragraph: explicitly link back to the question
Conclusion
Summarise how the composers show the individuals' response to challenges in their respective texts
TIPS
- Integrate the textual analysis more 'smoothly', so it doesn't seem clunky
- Pick quotes that are short, but chock full of techniques that can clearly link how the composers use them
Hope this helps :D
Post by: adelaidecruz on August 04, 2017, 02:25:34 pm
What's the effect of the technique "cumulative listing" to the responders? Thanks!
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on August 04, 2017, 03:01:26 pm
Hi guys,
What's the effect of the technique "cumulative listing" to the responders? Thanks!
it depends on the quote, but usually it can create an overwhelming feeling, for example:
"in all my dreams, before my helpless sight, he plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning." (Dulce Et Decorum Est, by Owen) accumulation is used so the reader can understand the effects of war as something that affects their everyday lives.
another example:
"there are birds in the city, but in the city, you rarely notice them; there is too much urban jazz in the air, the drone of jets roaring in, the manic whine of sirens..." (Vertigo, by Amanda Lohrey) the use of accumulation through aural imagery here suggests to the reader ideas of the city that are too overwhelming, and the protagonists must move out.
there are various uses of accumulation, but when you read something, consider how it makes you feel as a reader - that might help in your analysis. hope this helps :-)
Post by: mattmuzz on August 06, 2017, 04:51:10 am
Hi! I did a speech for my Mod C Assessment Task as well :PThankyouuuu so much this helps alot :)
Intro
- I'd probs go with something like "Today I will be addressing..."
- Introduce your PT and how the individual (Billy?) responds to challenges (brief overview of what challenges)
- Similarly/Contrastingly ... the individual in your ORT, do they deal with challenges a different way?
Body Paragraph Structure (Billy Elliot/ORT)
- Topic sentence addressing the question
- Usual PEEL structure showing their response
- End of paragraph: explicitly link back to the question
Conclusion
Summarise how the composers show the individuals' response to challenges in their respective texts
TIPS
- Integrate the textual analysis more 'smoothly', so it doesn't seem clunky
- Pick quotes that are short, but chock full of techniques that can clearly link how the composers use them
Hope this helps :D
Post by: pvee123 on August 06, 2017, 03:14:17 pm
QUESTION:
"Discoveries inevitably lead to new perceptions of the world, new values and understanding ourselves and others." To what extent does your prescribed text support this view.
THESIS: An individual's discoveries may act as a catalyst for change in values. Ultimately, an individual's change in values may provoke transformation on one's perspective on the world and others. At the end, their views on others differentiate between antagonistic or cordial relations.
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on August 06, 2017, 04:22:43 pm
Would this be an acceptable thesis?
QUESTION:
"Discoveries inevitably lead to new perceptions of the world, new values and understanding ourselves and others." To what extent does your prescribed text support this view.
THESIS: An individual's discoveries may act as a catalyst for change in values. Ultimately, an individual's change in values may provoke transformation on one's perspective on the world and others. At the end, their views on others differentiate between antagonistic or cordial relations.
try posting your thesis in this thread: https://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php?topic=167423.msg899223#msg899223
your thesis is pretty good, and covers all aspects of the question. i personally think the last sentence is unnecessary, but that's my opinion :-) good luck for trials!
Post by: pvee123 on August 06, 2017, 04:26:05 pm
Post by: DalvinT on August 09, 2017, 10:18:10 pm
What are quickest and smartest ways to improving our expression in our writing? And how do we know if we need to elaborate on a point?
Post by: bsdfjnlkasn on August 10, 2017, 05:47:09 am
Hey, guys! I just got my trial English paper 1 back and I almost got an A for my essay :( But what stopped me was my expression and the need for elaborating on certain ideas and analysis.
What are quickest and smartest ways to improving our expression in our writing? And how do we know if we need to elaborate on a point?
Hey there!
You've truly done a great job with your essay. Don't worry about it not being an A, you've got time to improve and already heaps of great stuff to work with :)!
With expression, make sure your writing style is fairly close with your speaking style as it'll not only seem more natural to you, but to your marker as well. It'll also speed up the writing process as you won't need to keep reaching for the synonym button and will help you have a better grasp on what you're saying. Try to be as clear as possible (drop the extra long words) and put discovery everywhere in your analysis.
This leads me to your elaboration question. After you've proposed your thesis/topic sentence pick all the best evidence to prove your point. The most crucial part of the paragraph is when you link the technique in the quote to your claim about discovery. This tends to be a place which lacks sufficient explanation, especially in memorised essays where students bookend the question on each end of the paragraph (not saying you do this, just admitting a common habit). So, after your analysis, literally asks yourself "how?" for techniques and "why?" when reading the evaluating your point on discovery. If you can't answer these with literal lines from your essay, you haven't explained yourself enough.
So the advice I have for you now, is to see where your marker felt a bit lost in your paragraphs and commented on the need for further explanation. Really target those areas and confirm which strategies will be most appropriate in linking your analysis to the rubric. Your expression will definitely improve over time as you clarify your ideas and practice more :)
Hopefully this helped! Ask more questions if you have them :)
Post by: DalvinT on August 10, 2017, 08:20:19 am
Hey there!
You've truly done a great job with your essay. Don't worry about it not being an A, you've got time to improve and already heaps of great stuff to work with :)!
With expression, make sure your writing style is fairly close with your speaking style as it'll not only seem more natural to you, but to your marker as well. It'll also speed up the writing process as you won't need to keep reaching for the synonym button and will help you have a better grasp on what you're saying. Try to be as clear as possible (drop the extra long words) and put discovery everywhere in your analysis.
This leads me to your elaboration question. After you've proposed your thesis/topic sentence pick all the best evidence to prove your point. The most crucial part of the paragraph is when you link the technique in the quote to your claim about discovery. This tends to be a place which lacks sufficient explanation, especially in memorised essays where students bookend the question on each end of the paragraph (not saying you do this, just admitting a common habit). So, after your analysis, literally asks yourself "how?" for techniques and "why?" when reading the evaluating your point on discovery. If you can't answer these with literal lines from your essay, you haven't explained yourself enough.
So the advice I have for you now, is to see where your marker felt a bit lost in your paragraphs and commented on the need for further explanation. Really target those areas and confirm which strategies will be most appropriate in linking your analysis to the rubric. Your expression will definitely improve over time as you clarify your ideas and practice more :)
Hopefully this helped! Ask more questions if you have them :)
Hellooo! Thank You so much for clearing this up! Literally my teacher hasn't given me any direction to how I should improve. Just what I need.
LOVE THIS ! I APPRECIATE SO MUCH :)
Post by: Aussie1Italia2 on August 10, 2017, 09:43:32 am
Thank you!!!
Post by: Natasha.97 on August 10, 2017, 09:48:48 am
Hello, quick question about quoting in an essay. my quote directly from the novel is '... WE'RE JUST ALIKE...' do I keep that in capitals?
Thank you!!!
If that's what is written in the novel, go for it!
Post by: 12070 on August 10, 2017, 10:09:43 am
Hello, quick question about quoting in an essay. my quote directly from the novel is '... WE'RE JUST ALIKE...' do I keep that in capitals?
Thank you!!!
Yes. Also a good opportunity to use it as a technique and discuss the effect and meaning.
Post by: Aussie1Italia2 on August 14, 2017, 11:32:59 am
Thank you!
Post by: elysepopplewell on August 14, 2017, 12:27:51 pm
Hi I've been reading through the marking center notes for previous HSC papers. and they constantly mention textual detail also more specifically what do they mean by drawing specific conclusions from the examples chosen rather than using textual detail without purpose
Thank you!
Hey there :)
Textual detail is the quotes or references from the text! So, they are saying that instead of just using quotes and other references for the sake of showing you understand the text on a macro level, you need to draw very specific conclusions from the quotes/references. So, not just identifying a metaphor is at play, but exactly what the metaphor is intended for and also the ramifications of this metaphor for the way the text is received.
So basically, they are saying that we need to choose the parts of the texts we talk about judiciously, and we need to be specific, as opposed to general, in the "effect" of the techniques at play. :)
Post by: Daniyahasan on August 14, 2017, 08:35:41 pm
does anyone use the checkpoints standard english book?
i got it because apparently it has band 6 sample essays, but im reading through the Billy Elliot essay now and tbh it doesnt sound badn 6 to me..
anyone have an opinions or something about those books and essays?
Post by: Natasha.97 on August 14, 2017, 08:41:07 pm
hey guys,
does anyone use the checkpoints standard english book?
i got it because apparently it has band 6 sample essays, but im reading through the Billy Elliot essay now and tbh it doesnt sound badn 6 to me..
anyone have an opinions or something about those books and essays?
Hi!
I agree with you, these honestly aren't the best out there. It seems like it is more retelling of the plot rather than analysis
Post by: Daniyahasan on August 14, 2017, 08:48:59 pm
Hi!omg so true, i guess the essays just ramble on and dont stick to the point
I agree with you, these honestly aren't the best out there. It seems like it is more retelling of the plot rather than analysis
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on August 19, 2017, 03:23:40 pm
i've been looking for new related texts since the end of trials and considering my rank went out the window because of trials, i really need to up my game in the hsc to somehow get a decent atar. anyway, for exploring transitions, i'm doing billy elliot and i'm thinking of doing mao's last dancer, and if it works, i might use it for discovery. i'm unsure whether this text is complex enough because teachers at my school are very picky about related material (jamon do you remember when i asked about this? hahahah)
i reckon i could do the novel for both exploring transitions and discovery... thoughts?
Post by: Natasha.97 on August 19, 2017, 03:30:25 pm
hi guys!
i've been looking for new related texts since the end of trials and considering my rank went out the window because of trials, i really need to up my game in the hsc to somehow get a decent atar. anyway, for exploring transitions, i'm doing billy elliot and i'm thinking of doing mao's last dancer, and if it works, i might use it for discovery. i'm unsure whether this text is complex enough because teachers at my school are very picky about related material (jamon do you remember when i asked about this? hahahah)
i reckon i could do the novel for both exploring transitions and discovery... thoughts?
Hi :)
From what I've seen on the web, it seems like a pretty good RT! I also have one text for both Discovery and Exploring Transitions as they are pretty much the same thing ;)
Post by: JaymesJimmy on August 22, 2017, 08:59:05 am
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on August 26, 2017, 05:10:02 pm
Anyone got any notes on "Of Mice & Men" ??
sorry i just saw this!! i did this novel in year 10, but had a crap teacher so don't have any notes :-/
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too lazy to send that as one post then post a question as another (that did not make any sense) aaaaanyway, i was wondering if there's any restrictions or guidelines for swearing in creatives? quoting texts in essays with swear words is fine, but i'm unsure about the creative :-)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on August 26, 2017, 05:39:10 pm
i was wondering if there's any restrictions or guidelines for swearing in creatives? quoting texts in essays with swear words is fine, but i'm unsure about the creative :-)
You can definitely swear! It's a technique (profanity), so you can absolutely use it to serve a purpose! If it is just there for the sake of it, it won't go down well though - Use it sparsely for dramatic effect or tension.
Oh, steer clear of the c-word, in general there is nowhere to use that appropriately :)
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on August 26, 2017, 08:50:25 pm
You can definitely swear! It's a technique (profanity), so you can absolutely use it to serve a purpose! If it is just there for the sake of it, it won't go down well though - Use it sparsely for dramatic effect or tension.
Oh, steer clear of the c-word, in general there is nowhere to use that appropriately :)
oh alright that's good :-) the creative is about my personal discovery, and i swear a lot in my mind (was only planning to use it once in my creative anyways!)
of course, i could never bring myself to say the c-word :-)
Post by: daniel.strozek on August 27, 2017, 06:42:46 pm
Post by: elysepopplewell on August 28, 2017, 10:33:12 am
Hi, do you have any tips on preparing for a Module C listening task?
I've realised that everyone's experiences of writing tasks are very diverse! This is a response I wrote to someone who asked about Module B (Advanced) listening task advice. This might give you a hand, or it might not if your task is entirely different. If it doesn't seem to ring true to how you expect your listening task will be then post back with more specific details of your task :)
Hey Krystelle! this sounds like a really tricky listening task to me! My suggestions for studying are...:
-Know the content of the poems well. What are the themes being treated in each? This is important to know because each speaker may present the themes differently: one could speak of Yeats' ageing poems as an elegy to youth, whereas another speaker could be using his or her voice to suggest the beauty of the ageing process. So knowing the themes of each will be an important link to the tone of the speaker's voices.
-Study some words for vocal techniques. Tone, diction, and pace are easy places to start. Volume, even! If the speaker clearly gets softer in one section, they could be expressing a mourning, or concealing content. Take note of upwards or downward inflictions in your everyday conversations leading up to the exam. Typically, females use upwards inflictions more, just a warning. So, notice how when we ask a question we usually end the last word, or the last syllable, at a higher pitch than the other words in the sentence? Think of a small child saying, "Can I have some ice cream...pleaaaaase?" If you're imagining it as I hope you are, you'll hear a little upwards infliction at the end. If someone is stating something, they're more likely to use a downwards or monotone infliction. If someone is questioning something, or playfully toying with an idea, they'll likely use upwards inflictions. So if you can pay close attention to the way we speak using inflictions at the end, it could come in handy when you're listening to your speakers. Also, there's a stark difference between someone speaking monotone and someone using their voice to mirror the lulls of wording. Perhaps if we are looking at a poem like Leda and the Swan, someone speaking forcefully and using their volume to add to the crescendo of the violence, we could feel a passion from the speaker. But if someone speaks of Leda and the Swan softly, and perhaps quietly and smoothly, they could be interpreting the poem as a eulogy.
So, good words to use: tone, monotone, inflictions, volume, pitch, diction. If you can have a look at the rhyming scheme of each poem too and commit that to memory, then perhaps you could use that to your advantage too. Is the speaker leaning in to the rhyming scheme and playing along joyfully, or are they using their tone to suppress the rhyming.
Good luck!
Post by: gilliesb18 on September 06, 2017, 03:12:47 pm
Can anyone help me with a quote for the theme of 'dread' in the 'Boy in The Striped Pyjamas' that has a really effective technique in it?? Im just kinda struggling with it at the moment....
Thanks heaps in advance!!!
Post by: harry77 on September 09, 2017, 08:00:09 am
I need some help finding a related text for romulus My father? Module C exploring interactions
thanks
;D
Post by: beatroot on September 10, 2017, 10:05:05 pm
The question is 'Any significant discovery has both short and long term effects. To what extent is this view reflected in your prescribed text and ONE other related text of your own choosing?'
Not entirely sure what to put down for short term effects. My prescribed text is Away by Michael Gow.
Thanks!
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on September 10, 2017, 10:14:12 pm
Accidentally left this practice essay at the last minute and I don't know how to deconstruct it (It's due tomorrow afternoon!!)
The question is 'Any significant discovery has both short and long term effects. To what extent is this view reflected in your prescribed text and ONE other related text of your own choosing?'
Not entirely sure what to put down for short term effects. My prescribed text is Away by Michael Gow.
Thanks!
ooh yay i also do away! i can't seem to think of any short-term effects of discovery because everything in away is long-term... it all has an impact for later. orrrrrr you could argue against the question! away is all about long-term effects of discovery, so you can say the short-term effects lead to the long-term, e.g. the box motif (gwen) and the stranger on the shore play, which was created as a result of tom and coral's discovery.
Post by: Natasha.97 on September 10, 2017, 10:15:20 pm
Accidentally left this practice essay at the last minute and I don't know how to deconstruct it (It's due tomorrow afternoon!!)
The question is 'Any significant discovery has both short and long term effects. To what extent is this view reflected in your prescribed text and ONE other related text of your own choosing?'
Not entirely sure what to put down for short term effects. My prescribed text is Away by Michael Gow.
Thanks!
Hey! I don't do your PT so can't help you on that part. Be sure to link to the question throughout your essay. In the intro, you could say sth like "This is explored to a great extent in PT and ORT". Think about discovery in terms of the rubric; was it physical/emotional/intellectual/creative/spiritual? Maybe the short term and long term effects were different in terms of those aspects.
Hope this helps
Post by: elysepopplewell on September 11, 2017, 01:07:21 pm
Hello :)
Can anyone help me with a quote for the theme of 'dread' in the 'Boy in The Striped Pyjamas' that has a really effective technique in it?? Im just kinda struggling with it at the moment....
Thanks heaps in advance!!!
Hey! Unfortunately I don't know the text well enough - but are you referring to the book or film? And, can you tell me a bit more about the theme of dread? I haven't seen this explored before! Are you looking for perspectives like, people dreading going into a camp?
hello
I need some help finding a related text for romulus My father? Module C exploring interactions
thanks
;D
Hi there :) Maybe I Am Malala? This explores a lot of interactions with environments. I also remember someone a long time ago recommending the song 99 Red Balloons by Nena.
Accidentally left this practice essay at the last minute and I don't know how to deconstruct it (It's due tomorrow afternoon!!)
The question is 'Any significant discovery has both short and long term effects. To what extent is this view reflected in your prescribed text and ONE other related text of your own choosing?'
Not entirely sure what to put down for short term effects. My prescribed text is Away by Michael Gow.
Thanks!
The short term effects could just be the initial stages of realising the long term effects. So, someone might become erratic in discussions about perspectives, or someone might start to show a little more humility. This leads into the later long term effect of altering perspectives and views about the greater society.
Post by: Mounica on September 13, 2017, 06:04:31 pm
Post by: 12070 on September 13, 2017, 06:24:25 pm
guys do you think the poem father and son is a good ort for related material?
What module/prescribed text?
Post by: angelahchan on September 18, 2017, 09:44:07 am
Post by: Daniyahasan on September 18, 2017, 10:01:26 am
What module/prescribed text?
My pt is the film Billy Elliot
Post by: beatroot on September 21, 2017, 10:39:46 am
Post by: jamonwindeyer on September 21, 2017, 11:14:53 am
Is it better for a mod c exploring transitions essay to have a thesis based on the first part of the elective i.e. context, or have a thesis based on the transitions? Are there questions which would expect you to answer based on context more than transitioning/vice versa?
I think it really depends on the question - They could bring context/place in society into a question, absolutely. But transitions are always going to play some sort of role, so a Thesis focusing on transitions is probably going to be a safer option! Just make sure you have had practice integrating that contextual element as well :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on September 21, 2017, 11:18:52 am
im planning to have an artwork for my related text for mod a. i have studied this artwork before in art class before. so how do i avoid accidentally turning it into an art analysis?
Remember that your analysis should always be TEA:
Technique: What visual technique has been used by the composer?
Explain: Why has the composer used it?
Audience: What new understanding does the audience gain, how does the audience react?
I don't know what sort of analysis you would be doing in VA, but if you have these things and no more no less, then you are analysing correctly! ;D
Post by: arunasva on September 23, 2017, 11:20:50 pm
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on September 24, 2017, 12:25:09 am
Would any of ya peeps know where to find Exploring Transition essay question ? There seem to be too few online.
the "into the world" elective is very similar to exploring transitions, so maybe try using those questions but replace words? i can't help you out here, sorry
Post by: Daniyahasan on September 24, 2017, 08:32:01 am
Would any of ya peeps know where to find Exploring Transition essay question ? There seem to be too few online.try THSC they have heaps of past trials from different schools, so you'll definitely find a bunch of questions there
Post by: angelahchan on September 24, 2017, 09:26:03 am
Would any of ya peeps know where to find Exploring Transition essay question ? There seem to be too few online.
Here's a list of past questions; I think my teacher reworded some of the "into the world" to make it fit exploring transitions more:
2016 HSC: How do the texts you have studied explore the transition of individuals into new phases of life and new social contexts? Make close referenced to your prescribed text and at least ONE other related text of your own choosing.
2015 HSC: The process of transition challenges attitudes and beliefs. To what extent do the texts you have studied in this elective support this view? Refer to your prescribed text and ONE other related text of your own choosing.
2014 HSC: Individuals venturing into new experiences struggle to balance personal values with the expectations of the broader world. In what ways is this struggle explored in this prescribed text and ONE other related text?
2013 HSC: Explain how making a transition opens up new phases of life and influences the ways people interact with one another. In your response, refer to your prescribed text and ONE other related text of your own choosing.
2012 HSC: The experience of transitioning between worlds both limits and extends individual freedom. Discuss this view with reference to prescribed and ONE other related text of your own choosing.
2011 HSC: Explain how prescribed text and ONE other related text of your own choosing portray the consequences of making a transition.
Post by: Daniyahasan on September 24, 2017, 09:47:55 am
http://www.smashthehsc.com/introduction.html
Post by: arunasva on September 24, 2017, 12:56:43 pm
Post by: Daniyahasan on September 24, 2017, 01:08:28 pm
I was just wondering how you would recommend people to tackle Paper 1. I do essays followed by comprehension and end with the Creative.i usually start with my creative, then essay because i have them memorised so im scared ill forget it
and i do my unseen texts last, BUT iv heard thats not a good tactic cos in my school as a whole the people who did their reading first perfomed better in that section
Post by: lucyjayne on September 24, 2017, 05:15:34 pm
so I was just wondering if Picasso's Guernica would be an okay related text to use for discovery - my set text is Life of Pi - as Guernica is a war painting and i'm wondering if war can be linked to life of Pi, like a spiritual war or something.
Thanks
Post by: jamonwindeyer on September 24, 2017, 08:49:14 pm
I was just wondering how you would recommend people to tackle Paper 1. I do essays followed by comprehension and end with the Creative.
I personally did Comprehension first to try and inspire some ideas that could be useful for the Essay, which I did next, then finish with Creative! My logic there was that if I had to cut into a section, I wanted it to be Creative ;D
I think everyone will have their own preference there, don't think there's a right or wrong! :)
Post by: Faaatttiiimmaa on September 25, 2017, 10:07:42 am
Post by: jamonwindeyer on September 25, 2017, 10:26:48 am
Is 1100 words too much for a discovery essay? I also have about 950 words for my creative writing. Should I cut down some words or will I be able to make the time limit ?
Welcome to the forums!! ;D have you tried writing these essays under timed conditions? That's probably the first step to knowing if you need to cut down. If you can write them fairly comfortably in the 40 minutes you have then they should work well ;D
Post by: beatroot on September 25, 2017, 09:52:41 pm
Hey,
so I was just wondering if Picasso's Guernica would be an okay related text to use for discovery - my set text is Life of Pi - as Guernica is a war painting and i'm wondering if war can be linked to life of Pi, like a spiritual war or something.
Thanks
Haven't studied Life of Pi but I have studied the Guernica before.
If you can try and relate Guernica to the discovery rubric then you should be fine.
- What type of discovery is exactly being depicted in the painting? Spiritual? Intellectual? Physical? I think it definitely relates to spiritual because after all, the painting does illustrate death on an epic scale, humanity's suffering and the lost of hope.
- Think about who is exactly experiencing the discovery? Picasso himself? The individuals in the painting? Or the audience themselves?
- What ideas are presented in the painting? How do they provoke future possibilities and understandings? You can possibly talk about how the destruction of humanity's innocence in the painting provides inspiration for future society to not repeat such events like this. There is a definite conflict between war and peace (ie; the horse and bull screaming and the individual carrying the flower)
Post by: DalvinT on September 26, 2017, 11:47:31 am
So for example, "Here this fruit and that fruit"
Post by: bsdfjnlkasn on September 26, 2017, 12:55:54 pm
Hey, I cannot seem to find the technique when the composer presents something to the reader.
So for example, "Here this fruit and that fruit"
I'm not sure either, but it might be stronger to look at what the fruit symbolises. Is the symbol developed? Does it represent a specific idea? Just some food for thought ;)
Post by: DalvinT on September 26, 2017, 03:19:10 pm
I'm not sure either, but it might be stronger to look at what the fruit symbolises. Is the symbol developed? Does it represent a specific idea? Just some food for thought ;)
Heyyy! Thanks for the ideas. Yes definitely already talked about the fruit haha
Mmm was that meant to be an intentional pun?
Post by: Arvacado on October 01, 2017, 09:08:57 am
Does anyone have a related text for 'Away'??
How to write an effective piece of creative writing?
Mod Edit: Post merge, you can use the 'Modify' button to the top right of your post to add to a question so you don't post twice in a row :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 01, 2017, 10:29:47 am
Hiii! ;D
Does anyone have a related text for 'Away'??
Hey there! We have a big list of suggestions, hopefully something there could help! ;D
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How to write an effective piece of creative writing?
Here is a huge guide that might be helpful ;D
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on October 02, 2017, 05:15:52 pm
thanks!
Post by: Natasha.97 on October 02, 2017, 06:11:38 pm
hi!! can someone help me identify a technique from this quote: ‘She has lost her roots, her anchorage to the earth… the world is spinning away from her.' the ellipsis is there because i've taken a huge chunk of quote out, so i can't use that as a technique.
thanks!
Hey!
Maybe a metaphor in "her anchorage to the earth", or personification of the world spinning to exemplify her shock??
Post by: mattmorley on October 02, 2017, 06:18:08 pm
Post by: beatroot on October 03, 2017, 11:32:04 am
Post by: HSCNewcastle2017 on October 03, 2017, 01:55:54 pm
would the pilot episode of fresh off the boat be a suitable ort for billy elliot?
I think it would be, however am pretty sure if your prescribed text is a film, the examiners would prefer a different text type for your related text, e.g. novel, poem, speech etc. I would personally recommend though just using whatever you're most comfortable with.
The markers would be the best people to answer this question though.
Post by: angelahchan on October 03, 2017, 02:06:09 pm
"Right then I can’t imagine an end to the quiet. The horizon fades. Everything looks impossibly far off. "
thank you!
Post by: beatroot on October 03, 2017, 04:37:59 pm
1. "I'm one of the boys. Early on I am told to get in line after a morning bell, girls in one line, boys in another. I walk past the girls feeling this strange, powerful gravity of association. As soon as I look towards the other line, though, I feel a feeling of differentiation that confuses me. I don't belong there, either"
2. "She tells me to look at her but I don't want to, because when I do I am unable to understand why she cannot see me"
3. "I cried, feeling stupid and that I was a liar because i was unable myself to imagine a world where I would ever fit in"
4. "Years later I find the courage to admit that I am transgender and this doesn't mean that I am unlovable"
^ the quotes are from a speech btw.
Thanks!
Post by: prickles on October 03, 2017, 06:44:19 pm
Hi, does anyone know any techniques for this quote?I can see hyperbole...and truncated sentences? Someone should verify this though :D
"Right then I can’t imagine an end to the quiet. The horizon fades. Everything looks impossibly far off. "
thank you!
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 03, 2017, 07:29:25 pm
would the pilot episode of fresh off the boat be a suitable ort for billy elliot?
I think it would be, however am pretty sure if your prescribed text is a film, the examiners would prefer a different text type for your related text, e.g. novel, poem, speech etc. I would personally recommend though just using whatever you're most comfortable with.
The markers would be the best people to answer this question though.
Pick whatever you can get a lot of techniques out of and link to your prescribed without working too hard - Don't stress if it is the same form! As long as you can get a variety of techniques then you are all sweet :)
Post by: beatroot on October 06, 2017, 10:28:53 am
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 06, 2017, 10:37:06 am
Are essay scaffolds an effective way to study beside writing essays?
I think so! I wrote heaps of them to save time writing practice essays - I think a mix is good!
Post by: Daniyahasan on October 06, 2017, 02:08:22 pm
if yes, then when do you think you're gonna take essays to mark at latest?
thank you
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 06, 2017, 02:34:12 pm
Hey guys! so I remember in trials you guys stopped marking for a few days so you could use that time answering questions. Are you guys gonna do that again this time?
if yes, then when do you think you're gonna take essays to mark at latest?
thank you
We've not discussed it, since the HSC period is more spread we might not do a complete stop - Stuff submitted for English any later than Monday or Tuesday will probably not be marked though, since our lag time is about 5 days at the moment :) so we might stop taking essays for English this Tuesday night or something, we'll see - We'll give you a couple of days notice :)
Post by: jaskirat on October 06, 2017, 05:36:47 pm
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on October 06, 2017, 05:43:46 pm
Can someone give me some tips on how to prepare for the close study of text question coming up in the exam :((
what text are you doing? the questions are usually centered around themes for mine (don't know if it's the same for you?) so i have a couple of themes ready with quotes, techniques, etc so i can apply them to any question. i don't know if that'll work for you, but the questions are quite similar because there's only so much that can be asked. if you did cssa trials, they try to predict the question in the hsc, so look at feedback from there as well. :-)
Post by: jaskirat on October 06, 2017, 05:48:03 pm
what text are you doing? the questions are usually centered around themes for mine (don't know if it's the same for you?) so i have a couple of themes ready with quotes, techniques, etc so i can apply them to any question. i don't know if that'll work for you, but the questions are quite similar because there's only so much that can be asked. if you did cssa trials, they try to predict the question in the hsc, so look at feedback from there as well. :-)im doing 'The life and crimes of Harry lavender'. so you reckon its best to have some themes, techniques ready with quotes?
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on October 06, 2017, 07:05:04 pm
im doing 'The life and crimes of Harry lavender'. so you reckon its best to have some themes, techniques ready with quotes?
ah okay, i don't do that text :-/ yea i reckon! how about you write up some notes with themes, techniques, quotes, etc, then write an essay (send it off to a teacher or submit it here - you'll probably have 50 posts very soon). :-)
Post by: AlphaGeek on October 07, 2017, 01:17:51 am
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on October 07, 2017, 01:29:45 am
What are the chances of them specifying a poem for Module B: Wilfred Owen War poems? I only know two poems really well and the others not so much :'( :'(
i don't think it's that likely because last year they gave passages for distinctively visual, but i wouldn't rule it out. if you know two poems well, just have a general idea of the others; if they specify a poem, there will be an excerpt. you won't have to write more than 2 paragraphs on the specified poem anyway :-)
Post by: Daniyahasan on October 08, 2017, 02:03:56 pm
We've not discussed it, since the HSC period is more spread we might not do a complete stop - Stuff submitted for English any later than Monday or Tuesday will probably not be marked though, since our lag time is about 5 days at the moment :) so we might stop taking essays for English this Tuesday night or something, we'll see - We'll give you a couple of days notice :)
ohh okay! thanks !
and do you think you guys can mark any essay sent in today before 5 days?
(its cos I'm going to send mine in today and I want a few days to fix it according to feedback + memorise it )
Post by: lucyjayne on October 09, 2017, 08:42:16 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 09, 2017, 08:48:37 pm
ohh okay! thanks !
and do you think you guys can mark any essay sent in today before 5 days?
(its cos I'm going to send mine in today and I want a few days to fix it according to feedback + memorise it )
We always move literally as fast as we can without failing our university course ;) unfortunately 5 days is probably the wait time at the moment!
Post by: GraceR99 on October 10, 2017, 02:16:11 pm
Hey just btw everyone, after doing the exam, I don't reckon it matters! Seriously, as long as you can tie in the character with all elements of the question, it's all good ;)
Post by: beatroot on October 10, 2017, 09:53:28 pm
Thanks :)
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on October 10, 2017, 09:59:40 pm
How likely will they ask for a short story for Paper One? Would it be hard to translate a feature article into a short story?
Thanks :)
oooh it's very much in the realm of possibility *cough* cssa... and no, i don't think so! maybe you could make the feature article centred around one person's discovery and how they've come across it? like just have one protagonist as they explore what what happens in your article. does that make sense?
Post by: beatroot on October 10, 2017, 10:02:26 pm
oooh it's very much in the realm of possibility *cough* cssa... and no, i don't think so! maybe you could make the feature article centred around one person's discovery and how they've come across it? like just have one protagonist as they explore what what happens in your article. does that make sense?
Yes it makes sense. Thanks!! I was planning on doing the feature article about me discovering something about my teacher hehe. I'm hoping it wouldn't be too hard to translate it into a short story during the exam, if they ever ask for a short story (I'm just hoping it'll be a free for all stimulus and we could do whatever)
Post by: shay_hewy on October 10, 2017, 10:20:14 pm
Thanks. ;D
(Couldn't figure out how to reply to the thread so I took this as a wild guess haha.)
Post by: Daniyahasan on October 10, 2017, 10:28:11 pm
We always move literally as fast as we can without failing our university course ;) unfortunately 5 days is probably the wait time at the moment!
ok that's cool
thanks for everything guys
AN was literally my HSC savior I honestly don't know what I would do without it :)
Post by: beatroot on October 10, 2017, 10:31:23 pm
Hi, I was just wondering if we will get marked down or harshly for using the film 'Paradise Road' as our related text for 'The Shoehorn Sonata' as it is just the film adaption to the play?
Thanks. ;D
(Couldn't figure out how to reply to the thread so I took this as a wild guess haha.)
Hey! Welcome to the forums !!
Imo this is definitely a bit risky. ORTs are meant to be different to your prescribed text as markers want to see your capability to analyse a text that hasn't been taught by your teacher. Since 'Paradise Road' is the film adaptation of your prescribed text, your ideas and analysis will just be the same but just with different techniques.
I would suggest doing a different ORT just because the markers expect a totally different text that isn't related to your prescribed :) (Edit: What I mean by 'totally different' is that the themes should be similar (if its discovery or something) but the ideas/techniques should be different) )
Hope this helps!
Post by: Daniyahasan on October 10, 2017, 10:53:41 pm
Hi, I was just wondering if we will get marked down or harshly for using the film 'Paradise Road' as our related text for 'The Shoehorn Sonata' as it is just the film adaption to the play?
Thanks. ;D
(Couldn't figure out how to reply to the thread so I took this as a wild guess haha.)
I remember in year 11 we did the play the secret river and we were told not to use the book (the play was the adaption of the book)
I guess its very risky
but do you have time to change your ort now, only a few days left till the hsc..
Post by: natalie1112 on October 12, 2017, 09:08:22 am
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 12, 2017, 10:41:18 am
With integrated responses, how many quotes for each text should be in each paragraph? Should I use 2 quotes for my prescribed text and 2 for my related in each paragraph? Thank you.
Welcome to the forums!! That's a good baseline for an integrated response for sure, if you have an extra quote in a paragraph for a text it doesn't matter though! Like, 3 quotes and 2 quotes is great too, if not better. But 2 quotes each is a great minimum if you are aiming high ;D
Post by: angelahchan on October 12, 2017, 02:34:26 pm
Post by: beatroot on October 12, 2017, 10:14:34 pm
"The lights were on in Harry Lavender's city"
Thanks :)
Post by: Natasha.97 on October 12, 2017, 10:16:07 pm
I'm figure out what technique is in this quotation:
"The lights were on in Harry Lavender's city"
Thanks :)
Maybe the lights are symbolic of something else? (Don't do the text so can't say for sure)
Post by: beatroot on October 12, 2017, 10:37:51 pm
Hi, for the question: " In what ways do distinctive voices influence your understanding of people and events?" I'm confused what we're supposed to talk about, e.g. do we talk about our understanding of the composer for people? and for events is it talking about context, or something else?
I think what the question is asking is how does the composer shapes your perception of people and events. So what techniques do they use that makes you have a renewed/completely different opinion of people and events? I'm assuming that your prescribed text/s talks about particular people and events. Your composer might have biases or have a personal connection towards their subject matter. (just like historians do in history)
(I don't do distinctive voices but this is my personal interpretation of the question :) )
Post by: angelahchan on October 14, 2017, 07:15:30 pm
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on October 14, 2017, 07:21:07 pm
hi, for mod c exploring transitions what does "personal context" mean, and how do we talk about a transition of contexts?
hey! personal context refers to where the text is set, background of characters, etc. a transition of context can mean a transition into a new experience. i don't know what text you do, but in billy elliot, billy moves from a world of confinement/stereotypes/expectations into a free one where he can express himself. something like that!
hope this helps - best of luck with your hsc,
fantasticbeasts
Post by: smile123 on October 14, 2017, 10:27:25 pm
I just realised my related in module A is also a prescribed text in the same module. can I still do the related or does the HSC markers mark me down for doing a prescribed text for a related
PLEASE HELP
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on October 14, 2017, 10:45:53 pm
hi
I just realised my related in module A is also a prescribed text in the same module. can I still do the related or does the HSC markers mark me down for doing a prescribed text for a related
PLEASE HELP
hey!
don't take my word for this, but i don't think they'll mark you down. if you don't feel good taking it into the exam, maaaaybe it might be a good idea to change it. which elective and text are you doing?
best of luck for the hsc,
fantasticbeasts
Post by: Natasha.97 on October 14, 2017, 10:46:18 pm
hi
I just realised my related in module A is also a prescribed text in the same module. can I still do the related or does the HSC markers mark me down for doing a prescribed text for a related
PLEASE HELP
Hi!
This quote is taken from here:
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Can a text from the HSC Prescribed Texts list be used as a related text?
Students will not be disadvantaged by using a text from the Prescribed Texts list, provided it is relevant to the module/elective concerned.
Post by: HSCNewcastle2017 on October 15, 2017, 11:35:54 am
Post by: elysepopplewell on October 15, 2017, 11:56:03 am
For creative writing, should you incorporate some of the discovery rubric in your story, or not?
Do you mean, directly quoting the rubric? If so, that's not required and it probably wouldn't work in your favour either. You should be using the ideas of the rubric to guide your creative piece, however!
Post by: HSCNewcastle2017 on October 15, 2017, 12:10:24 pm
Do you mean, directly quoting the rubric? If so, that's not required and it probably wouldn't work in your favour either. You should be using the ideas of the rubric to guide your creative piece, however!
Thanks for clarifying that, Elyse.
So for example a sentence near the end of my creative such as ''These dreams of mine are original and unique, while my fear is not, enabling me to speculate about future possibilities'' would this be appropriate or should I just use more imagery.
Post by: vanessa mbogo on October 15, 2017, 12:49:26 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 15, 2017, 01:44:05 pm
Thanks for clarifying that, Elyse.
So for example a sentence near the end of my creative such as ''These dreams of mine are original and unique, while my fear is not, enabling me to speculate about future possibilities'' would this be appropriate or should I just use more imagery.
I'd say that's probably a tad too obvious in trying to portray a concept, it should be subtle (imagery is one way!) ;D
Post by: HSCNewcastle2017 on October 15, 2017, 03:24:10 pm
I'd say that's probably a tad too obvious in trying to portray a concept, it should be subtle (imagery is one way!) ;D
I was thinking so lol. Thanks Jamon.
Post by: sanjitjoseph on October 16, 2017, 03:40:59 pm
ANY TIPS ON MEMORISING ESSAYS FOR MODULES.
Post by: elysepopplewell on October 16, 2017, 04:00:18 pm
Hi could someone give me
ANY TIPS ON MEMORISING ESSAYS FOR MODULES.
Heya! These are my tips!
Post by: sanjitjoseph on October 16, 2017, 04:23:06 pm
Post by: HTzakos on October 16, 2017, 09:49:42 pm
I need some reassurance for Paper 2 tomorrow. All year long I have being taught to provide 2 paragraphs of my prescribed and 2 for my ORT otherwise I would be excluding myself from the top band. However, I keep trying to tell myself that it's quality over quantity!! But its not working for me and its low key stressing me out lol.
Somebody please reassure me!
Thankssss :) :)
Hayley
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 16, 2017, 10:05:47 pm
Heyyy Jamon and Elyse,
I need some reassurance for Paper 2 tomorrow. All year long I have being taught to provide 2 paragraphs of my prescribed and 2 for my ORT otherwise I would be excluding myself from the top band. However, I keep trying to tell myself that it's quality over quantity!! But its not working for me and its low key stressing me out lol.
Somebody please reassure me!
Thankssss :) :)
Hayley
Welcome to the forums Hayley!
It is absolutely quality over quantity. If you give two paragraphs of amazing analysis, that will work better than four paragraphs of nonsense.
Essentially, you need to write as much as you can write without sacrificing quality. If that is four paragraphs, awesome. If it is three, awesome. If it is two, awesome.
The only thing to make sure is that you achieve a balance between prescribed and RT. So if you do ditch a paragraph for your related, make sure the one that remains is very sizeable, maybe even a tad longer than the two others to get as close to an even balance as possible.
Teachers have to apply moulds to success because they are teaching classes of 30. But only you know what works for you, so go with your gut ;D
Post by: fatema on October 16, 2017, 10:12:43 pm
I'm new to this, but while sitting here studying I'm just wondering if anyone might have a slight idea as to what they would ask in paper 2 tomorrow?
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 16, 2017, 10:18:44 pm
hey,
I'm new to this, but while sitting here studying I'm just wondering if anyone might have a slight idea as to what they would ask in paper 2 tomorrow?
Welcome! We've got a bit of a predictions thread here, but your best bet is to look through past papers for a bit of an indicator! :)
Edit: Woops, that was for Advanced! Past papers will be your best bet, take a look at what they've asked the last few years!
Post by: gilliesb18 on October 26, 2017, 09:39:42 am
We have just received our first assessment for english yr 12(Unit is Discovery), and it requires us to chose three related texts and then analyse them along with analyzing Frost poems... But my question is- What related texts should I use?
My teacher says shes not allowed to point me in the direction of what texts to chose, but I really need help.
Any ideas??
Post by: Daniyahasan on October 26, 2017, 10:03:30 am
Hello!!
We have just received our first assessment for english yr 12(Unit is Discovery), and it requires us to chose three related texts and then analyse them along with analyzing Frost poems... But my question is- What related texts should I use?
My teacher says shes not allowed to point me in the direction of what texts to chose, but I really need help.
Any ideas??
i did the red tree by shaun tan, but wth why do u need 3 orts?!
Post by: prickles on October 26, 2017, 10:10:57 am
EDIT: This link here is a guide to choosing the right related text - might come in handy ;)
Post by: DalvinT on October 26, 2017, 02:34:34 pm
Hello!!I think I had a really similar assessment task earlier in the year as well!
We have just received our first assessment for english yr 12(Unit is Discovery), and it requires us to chose three related texts and then analyse them along with analyzing Frost poems... But my question is- What related texts should I use?
My teacher says shes not allowed to point me in the direction of what texts to chose, but I really need help.
Any ideas??
It was a very poor assessment as everyone practically did the same RT, and some students interpreted it differently and teachers had marked them down cause there was an arbitrary benchmark created, of what was a good and bad interpretation of the text. In my opinion, should not have been like that in the first place...
so tip!! Try and not pick a common RT as your year group!
I remember doing
- The Human Condition by Rene Magritte
- Mid Term Break by Seamus Heaney
I dropped those two at the end haha... I didn't liked them cause couldn't find any real strong links with my pescribed (Life of Pi)... So I chose, Piano by D.H. Lawrence! It's quite subtle about the rediscovery, but I think it's pretty good :))
Post by: gilliesb18 on October 26, 2017, 04:47:25 pm
Has anyone on here read 'For One Moment'?
Just picked it up and thought it would probably be a good related text... lmk your thoughts :)
Post by: gilliesb18 on November 23, 2017, 01:53:40 pm
Just wondering what advice anyone has on writing conclusions?? This is mine so far for the following question:
Through the process of discovering, individuals are able to renew their perceptions of the world and others.
Discuss this statement with reference to both the stimulus text and AT LEAST ONE Frost prescribed poem of your own choosing.
Conclusion:
As individuals develop an exploratory view on the world around them, they begin to renew their perceptions and see things in different ways. Individuals often begin to accept their position prior to the discovery, but are then triggered by curiosity, and discover something so meaningful. Frost’s poem ‘The Tuft of Flowers’ and the stimulus text both display this process of discovery, through a variety of techniques.
But now how do I finish it off?? Help!!
Post by: Potatohater on November 23, 2017, 09:21:53 pm
Hello again..I think you need to be more speciffic in your conclusion as to what your texts are showing specifically, and also use the name of your related text.
Just wondering what advice anyone has on writing conclusions?? This is mine so far for the following question:
Through the process of discovering, individuals are able to renew their perceptions of the world and others.
Discuss this statement with reference to both the stimulus text and AT LEAST ONE Frost prescribed poem of your own choosing.
Conclusion:
As individuals develop an exploratory view on the world around them, they begin to renew their perceptions and see things in different ways. Individuals often begin to accept their position prior to the discovery, but are then triggered by curiosity, and discover something so meaningful. Frost’s poem ‘The Tuft of Flowers’ and the stimulus text both display this process of discovery, through a variety of techniques.
But now how do I finish it off?? Help!!
In terms of finishing it off, make sure you link it all back to the question with reference to your argument, to kinda tell the markers "ha! See, I told you so!"
Eg. Through the challenging and shaping of ones views via the process of discovery, individuals are able to undergo character growth. This is evident through Life of Pi as Pi's acceptance of discovery and willingness to learn, allows him to change his circumstances and grow as an individual. This is contrasted through Ruby Moon in which Ray and Sylvie's lack of fresh discoveries leaves them trapped in their situation and allows for no charachter growth, and instead it is the audience that undergoes a transformative process. Therefore our personal development Is undoubtedly a consequence of the challenging or reinforcing of ideas via discovery
Post by: elysepopplewell on November 24, 2017, 12:26:14 pm
I think you need to be more speciffic in your conclusion as to what your texts are showing specifically, and also use the name of your related text.You're on fire potatohater...this is such great advice!
In terms of finishing it off, make sure you link it all back to the question with reference to your argument, to kinda tell the markers "ha! See, I told you so!"
Eg. Through the challenging and shaping of ones views via the process of discovery, individuals are able to undergo character growth. This is evident through Life of Pi as Pi's acceptance of discovery and willingness to learn, allows him to change his circumstances and grow as an individual. This is contrasted through Ruby Moon in which Ray and Sylvie's lack of fresh discoveries leaves them trapped in their situation and allows for no charachter growth, and instead it is the audience that undergoes a transformative process. Therefore our personal development Is undoubtedly a consequence of the challenging or reinforcing of ideas via discovery
Post by: martinnguyen1778 on November 28, 2017, 07:34:39 pm
Can anyone identify any techniques in this quote?
"Free! Body and soul free!" she kept whispering.
I know there is an exclamation, but if she is whispering loud, would that be an oxymoron?
I hope someone can help me.
Thank you!!
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on November 28, 2017, 07:39:08 pm
Hi guys, I would like to ask a question that hopefully doesn't bother anyone:
Can anyone identify any techniques in this quote?
"Free! Body and soul free!" she kept whispering.
I know there is an exclamation, but if she is whispering loud, would that be an oxymoron?
I hope someone can help me.
Thank you!!
hi!! no question bothers anyone here - we're all happy to help :-)
you've identified the exclamations, which is awesome. i reckon you could use truncated sentences and repetition (although this one would be stretching it a little). as for the oxymoron, i don't think you can use that as a technique, because we're talking about the technique being in the quote you mentioned. can someone chip in here for what i'm saying? mightn't be right hahaha
hope this helps,
fantasticbeasts
Post by: martinnguyen1778 on November 28, 2017, 08:20:24 pm
hi!! no question bothers anyone here - we're all happy to help :-)
you've identified the exclamations, which is awesome. i reckon you could use truncated sentences and repetition (although this one would be stretching it a little). as for the oxymoron, i don't think you can use that as a technique, because we're talking about the technique being in the quote you mentioned. can someone chip in here for what i'm saying? mightn't be right hahaha
hope this helps,
fantasticbeasts
Thank you very much fantasticbeasts. I appreciate your help!
Post by: lindqvistb18 on November 29, 2017, 05:37:16 pm
I have recently received my 2nd English HSC Assessment task... and i have to find 3 related texts to Robert Frost's poetry.... any ideas out there??
thanks in advance... :)
Post by: prickles on November 29, 2017, 06:18:26 pm
HelloHi and welcome! Are you doing 1 poem or all of them? Because the themes from some related texts will not correlate with every one of his poems.
I have recently received my 2nd English HSC Assessment task... and i have to find 3 related texts to Robert Frost's poetry.... any ideas out there??
thanks in advance... :)
Regardless, try this thread here. It gives a great list of discovery related texts. I suppose you just need to select texts you feel comfortable analysing, and can understand.
This link here is a guide to choosing the right related text - might come in handy ;)
Post by: cxtti on December 02, 2017, 03:17:03 pm
Post by: beatroot on December 02, 2017, 05:27:19 pm
Hi all! Can someone and help me out with the effects of techniques for the pom After the Flood by John Foulcher?
Hey! Just post the parts of the poem you would like to analyse and we can help you with the techniques and its effects. (im guessing this is your ort for discovery?)
Post by: cxtti on December 03, 2017, 12:49:21 pm
Hey! Just post the parts of the poem you would like to analyse and we can help you with the techniques and its effects. (im guessing this is your ort for discovery?)
It's actually for my Module A Distinctively Visual. My assumption is going to be about overcoming hardships and then renewal.
I need help with:
- "Now grass pricks the air again" and
- "The feather juice of mattresses"
Post by: beatroot on December 03, 2017, 09:35:09 pm
- "Now grass pricks the air again" and
Pricks: personification
Air again: alliteration
- "The feather juice of mattresses"
This could probably be a metaphor/symbolism (feather/juice/mattresses)
But pretty much the 'Distinctively Visual' topic is one of the easiest in the Standard English course because any technique and any text evidence can be uniquely visual and distinctive in their own way. Thus making it easier to analyse quotes and techniques :)
Post by: gilliesb18 on January 16, 2018, 09:37:21 am
Just wondering what the technique would be in this phrase: (from the story of an hour...)
There was something coming to her and she was waiting for it, fearfully. What was it? She did not know; it was too subtle and elusive to name. But she felt it, creeping out of the sky, reaching toward her through the sounds, the scents, the color that filled the air.
A lot of tension is built up, but that isn't really a technique is it??
Post by: Opengangs on January 16, 2018, 09:51:31 am
Hello...Well, it depends on what you want to extract from that quote but some techniques that pop into mind:
Just wondering what the technique would be in this phrase: (from the story of an hour...)
There was something coming to her and she was waiting for it, fearfully. What was it? She did not know; it was too subtle and elusive to name. But she felt it, creeping out of the sky, reaching toward her through the sounds, the scents, the color that filled the air.
A lot of tension is built up, but that isn't really a technique is it??
Rhetorical question - "What was it?"
Asyndeton - "the sounds, the scents, the color that filled the air"
Again, I don't exactly know what kind of argument you're trying to drive so I can't help with the analysis. You can find more literary devices here.
Good luck, though!
Post by: Gkumar on January 31, 2018, 05:13:54 pm
Just asking, for identifying techniques and examples and their effect like do you have any tips on writing everything cohesively and linking it together.
I've found the techniques and the examples but just relating it to discovery and how the composer uses it to deepen our understanding of specific ideas about discovery is just troubling me
Thanks, Grace
Post by: jamonwindeyer on January 31, 2018, 05:31:13 pm
Hey, I'm doing my related text using the painting of Albertus Seba
Just asking, for identifying techniques and examples and their effect like do you have any tips on writing everything cohesively and linking it together.
I've found the techniques and the examples but just relating it to discovery and how the composer uses it to deepen our understanding of specific ideas about discovery is just troubling me
Thanks, Grace
Welcome to the forums Grace!!
I personally try to think of all analysis in three sections, go to TEA for each quote:
Technique: Duh. Give the technique used by the composer.
Explain: Explain why the technique was used (what is the impact, what is the effect?)
Analyse: How does this link to the module? So in our case, we could say the acronym is TED, how does it link to Discovery?
For example:
The use of TECHNIQUE in "....." has THIS EFFECT on the audience which shows us THIS THING about Discovery.
Rinse and repeat! :) I find having these three distinct sections in my head helps me be cohesive, because all you really do is swap the order of things as you write. So the above sentence could be changed to:
The composer shows us THIS THING about Discovery by using TECHNIQUE in "....." which has THIS EFFECT.
Or:
THIS EFFECT is imposed on the audience by the quote "....", where the use of TECHNIQUE shows us THIS THING about Discovery.
Variety without really changing anything at all ;)
Post by: Gkumar on February 02, 2018, 04:55:14 pm
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on February 02, 2018, 05:25:55 pm
How would you like introduce your related text? I'm doing an advertisement
hi! is this for an introduction or body paragraph?
when introducing related texts in your introduction, do it like your prescribed text. something like Similarly, in the advertisement (name), shows (concept of module). the text type of your related doesn't change the way you write - it just changes the way you analyse something, because you're looking for different things.
when introducing related texts in your body paragraphs, it's just like any other module essay you've written. :-) you'd write something like this: Similar to (prescribed text), (related text) shows (concept you're going to talk about). or While (prescribed text) shows (concept you're going to talk about), (related text) does (another concept).
hope this helps!
Post by: hebaakhann on February 02, 2018, 08:54:15 pm
Post by: elysepopplewell on February 05, 2018, 02:53:26 pm
hey just a question about the exams in general; what is the best way to prepare an essay for an exam without wrote learning?
I think there's a few things to consider when it comes to preparing for essays:
1. You need to know your text really well. As in, you need to understand the whoooole thing, the way it all works together. Maybe you've only studied a few scenes or sections in detail, but you need to understand the way these tie together with the other parts you don't know so well. You'll be able to talk far more confidently about the text this way.
2. You need to memorise quotes - no getting around this, you need to judiciously select the quotes, then you need to be able to accurate call upon them in an essay.
3. You need to understand how the text represents these ideas. What techniques are at play and how exactly do they work? For each quote - it shouldn't just be quote, technique, analysis, in your mind. You should be flexible enough to draw out a few different ideas from each quote to be able to mould your evidence to the specific essay question.
Then, planning or writing practice essays in either dot points or full essays is really helpful to help you feel more confident in changing your essays to suit the question - which is essentially where memorising essays in full can let you down!
Post by: headsup on February 06, 2018, 09:47:40 pm
I am doing a book called 'Mistaken Identity: Two Families, One Survivor, Unwavering Hope" for my english folio related text.
Basically a bunch of uni kids are involved in an accident. 5 are killed. 1 is seriously hurt (V unstable). The parents and siblings of the survivor sit with her day and night for 5 weeks only to find as she was recovering that she was not the person they thought she was. She was the daughter of a couple who 5 weeks before had buried who they thought was there daughter.... however, it was not so. the true identity of the survivor comes to light and the rolls of mourning and hoping are reversed....
I am needing help with the type of discovery present in the story....
Thanks in advance
PS. sorry about the waffle.... pretty bad for my first post :( :o
Post by: Opengangs on February 06, 2018, 09:58:03 pm
Hey,Hey, headsup!
I am doing a book called 'Mistaken Identity: Two Families, One Survivor, Unwavering Hope" for my english folio related text.
Basically a bunch of uni kids are involved in an accident. 5 are killed. 1 is seriously hurt (V unstable). The parents and siblings of the survivor sit with her day and night for 5 weeks only to find as she was recovering that she was not the person they thought she was. She was the daughter of a couple who 5 weeks before had buried who they thought was there daughter.... however, it was not so. the true identity of the survivor comes to light and the rolls of mourning and hoping are reversed....
I am needing help with the type of discovery present in the story....
Thanks in advance
PS. sorry about the waffle.... pretty bad for my first post :( :o
That's a pretty cool idea. Although I haven't read the book, I can definitely sense an emotional and spiritual discovery happening in terms of the daughter not being the daughter whom everyone originally thought. That, to me, also rings bells for renewed perspectives and new experiences. There is definitely a feeling of curiosity, need, and wonder with the identity of the survivor. The unexpected nature of discovery comes from the accident, and it becomes the main catalyst that is followed by a series of mini-discoveries that were mentioned.
Hopefully, this was helpful to you in helping you get started.
Post by: headsup on February 06, 2018, 10:02:14 pm
Hey, headsup!
That's a pretty cool idea. Although I haven't read the book, I can definitely sense an emotional and spiritual discovery happening in terms of the daughter not being the daughter whom everyone originally thought. That, to me, also rings bells for renewed perspectives and new experiences. There is definitely a feeling of curiosity, need, and wonder with the identity of the survivor. The unexpected nature of discovery comes from the accident, and it becomes the main catalyst that is followed by a series of mini-discoveries that were mentioned.
Hopefully, this was helpful to you in helping you get started.
Hey Opengangs,
Thanks for the speedy reply. Much appreciated. I will post when I am finished if someone could look over it for me....
Thanks again.
Post by: headsup on February 06, 2018, 10:04:12 pm
I have already posted this in another forum in my ignorance..... i am guessing this is the best place.
i am wanting some comments on this response for my related text as part of a folio
Spoiler
Discoveries can be sudden and unexpected, with their provocative nature leading to profound renewing of our perceptions of our world. This confronting nature of discoveries through an unexpected revealing is explored in Markus Zusak’s book ‘The book thief’ and Robert Frost poetry ‘Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening. ‘The book thief’ is set in Nazi Germany during World War Two. It depicts the life of a young German girl Liesel Meminger and her foster parents as they struggle with everyday challenges of life in war stricken Germany. The struggles are seen through ‘did he bend down and embrace his foster daughter, as he wanted to? … not exactly… he slapped Liesel Meminger’ which employs binary opposites of the ‘embrace’ and ‘slapped’ showing how a discovery of the true meaning of an aspect of our lives can lead to a vivid contrast in our perceptions of the world and how we respond to the events of our lives’. Similarly, to the way in which Hans (the father) discoveries his true feeling about his foster daughter, Liesel discoveries the truth about herself and her family. The line ‘ ‘Did the Führer take her way?’ The question surprised them both’ uses an allegory showing how as the girl travels on this path of discovery the truth she reveals is not only shocking for those around her and us as the audience but also for the girl herself as she struggles to realise the reality of her world. The extended metaphor of the surprise represents the provocative nature of a discovery how this unexpected discovery leads to renewed perceptions of our world. The unexpected nature of discoveries is further explored in the book with ‘it would be easy to say that he was just a tall man sitting poor-postured and shattered on some church steps’ symbolising to us the devastation war can cause and how the provocative nature of a discovery can lead to an emotional and spiritual insight into those around us and our world. Throughout ‘The book thief’ Zusak portrays to us as the audience how the confronting nature of living in a war stricken country can lead to discoveries and renewed perceptions of our world.
In a similar Frost explores the provocative nature of unexpected discoveries, however contrastingly to Zusak we see how the persona rejects this impetus opposed to discovery something new. The allure of discovery is explored in ‘the only other sound’s the sweep of easy wind and downy flake’ where long vowel sounds slow the pace of the poem to explore the allure. The conjunction of ‘but’ in the following sentence revels the rejection of the impetus to discovery and moves swiftly to a new idea halting the personas contemplation. This contrasts to ‘the book thief’ where Liesel accepts the discovery leading to renewed perceptions of her world will Frost’s persona rejects this discovery ultimately rejecting renewed perceptions on there world. As the audience, we experience the different possibilities of discovery how the acceptance of a discovery regardless of it’s sudden, unexpected and provocative nature will lead to renewed perceptions of our world.
In a similar Frost explores the provocative nature of unexpected discoveries, however contrastingly to Zusak we see how the persona rejects this impetus opposed to discovery something new. The allure of discovery is explored in ‘the only other sound’s the sweep of easy wind and downy flake’ where long vowel sounds slow the pace of the poem to explore the allure. The conjunction of ‘but’ in the following sentence revels the rejection of the impetus to discovery and moves swiftly to a new idea halting the personas contemplation. This contrasts to ‘the book thief’ where Liesel accepts the discovery leading to renewed perceptions of her world will Frost’s persona rejects this discovery ultimately rejecting renewed perceptions on there world. As the audience, we experience the different possibilities of discovery how the acceptance of a discovery regardless of it’s sudden, unexpected and provocative nature will lead to renewed perceptions of our world.
Post by: gilliesb18 on February 07, 2018, 02:13:18 pm
Just wondering if anyone could help me out with the key discovery ideas in the challenger discovery?? I'm saying its a self-discovery and relating it to 'the tuft of flowers'... Any ideas???? this is the text here...
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/speech-on-the-challenger-disaster/
any ideas are appreciated!!!
Post by: kaylat on February 07, 2018, 04:49:37 pm
Good choice of text! Don't know if this will help but here are some ideas on the nature of the discovery in this speech:
- The speech exposes the power of humans constantly endeavouring in their passion to break social barriers
- The discovery within this speech has many sides to it (so its not just limited to self)
- On one hand the speech is confronting but it also explores the idea that the human race can use this moment in history to rally together, learn from the past and to overcome the disaster to move onwards in their explorations
It will link well to 'Tuft Of Flowers' as you can talk about themes of human fellowship and brotherhood uplifting and rejuvinating individuals.
ATVVB!!
Post by: jamonwindeyer on February 07, 2018, 05:37:28 pm
Hey!
Good choice of text! Don't know if this will help but here are some ideas on the nature of the discovery in this speech:
- The speech exposes the power of humans constantly endeavouring in their passion to break social barriers
- The discovery within this speech has many sides to it (so its not just limited to self)
- On one hand the speech is confronting but it also explores the idea that the human race can use this moment in history to rally together, learn from the past and to overcome the disaster to move onwards in their explorations
It will link well to 'Tuft Of Flowers' as you can talk about themes of human fellowship and brotherhood uplifting and rejuvinating individuals.
ATVVB!!
Welcome to the forums!! What an awesome first post ;D
Post by: gilliesb18 on February 07, 2018, 09:27:14 pm
(from the tuft of flowers....)
'And feel a spirit kindred to my own;
So that henceforth I worked no more alone'
Please just anyone reply with anything that would work!!!!!
Thanks :) :)
Post by: headsup on February 07, 2018, 09:32:43 pm
HELP!!!!!! I need to know what technique is used in the following phrase:
(from the tuft of flowers....)
'And feel a spirit kindred to my own;
So that henceforth I worked no more alone'
Please just anyone reply with anything that would work!!!!!
Thanks :) :)
jst an uneducated guess:
Epiphany
Originating from the Greek word epipaneia, an epiphany describes the moment when a character suddenly achieves realisation or awareness that brings clarity to a particular situation.
Post by: kaylat on February 07, 2018, 09:36:48 pm
HELP!!!!!! I need to know what technique is used in the following phrase:
(from the tuft of flowers....)
'And feel a spirit kindred to my own;
So that henceforth I worked no more alone'
Please just anyone reply with anything that would work!!!!!
Thanks :) :)
For the line "And feel a spirit kindred to my own/So that henceforth I worked no more alone" this may help:
- Metaphoric as they are speaking only through their souls and highlights a spiritual connection to the man gone before him
- Familial speech
- The persona and the man gone before are connected in an intimate way (on a spiritual level)
- This is really when the persona begins to make his discovery and his despondent musing begin to change from ones of doubt to ones of uplifted vibrancy
Not sure if that helps?!
Post by: headsup on February 07, 2018, 09:39:33 pm
I need help with techniques linking to this image and Robert Frost poetry....
http://lgimages.s3.amazonaws.com/data/imagemanager/50115/the_histrionoic_wayfarer_by_tim_storrier.jpg
Post by: kaylat on February 07, 2018, 09:45:26 pm
my turn now...
I need help with techniques linking to this image and Robert Frost poetry....
http://lgimages.s3.amazonaws.com/data/imagemanager/50115/the_histrionoic_wayfarer_by_tim_storrier.jpg
For your visual text?? Its quite a hard pic to connect with one of Frost's poems
This is just a suggestion but you could link it to "Stopping By Woods On A Snowy Evening"??
Or you could contrast it with "Mending Wall"?
Depends on what your thesis is...
Post by: headsup on February 07, 2018, 09:48:43 pm
For your visual text?? Its quite a hard pic to connect with one of Frost's poemshelp... :'( :'( :'( any other ideas than????
This is just a suggestion but you could link it to "Stopping By Woods On A Snowy Evening"??
Or you could contrast it with "Mending Wall"?
Depends on what your thesis is...
my thesis is The ramifications of discoveries differ for individuals and their worlds.
Post by: Opengangs on February 07, 2018, 09:59:20 pm
help... :'( :'( :'( any other ideas than????Hey!
my thesis is The ramifications of discoveries differ for individuals and their worlds.
You could definitely consider Moonrise Kingdom by Wes Anderson. It follows two people who are disconnected from their environment (world), who then find each other's company very fitting. It's a great discovery text, and there are many layers of discoveries littered throughout.
I would also suggest "Death of a Young Son by Drowning" by M. Atwood, but I believe you wouldn't want a poem as your related ;)
Post by: kaylat on February 07, 2018, 10:01:23 pm
Discoveries can be sudden and unexpected, with their provocative nature leading to a profound renewing of our perceptions of the world. The confronting and unexpected nature of discoveries is is explored in Markus Zusak’s ‘The book thief’. Similarly linked to Robert Frost poetry ‘Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening'. Thesis?? Topic sentence here?? Overall theme of what u are trying to say?
‘The book thief’ is set in Nazi Germany during World War Two and depicts the life of a young German girl Liesel Meminger and her foster parents as they struggle with everyday challenges of life in war stricken Germany. The struggles are seen in the line ‘did he bend down and embrace his foster daughter, as he wanted to? … not exactly… he slapped Liesel Meminger’ which employs binary opposites of the ‘embrace’ and ‘slapped’ showing how a discovery of the true meaning of an aspect of our lives can lead to a vivid contrast in our perceptions of the world. Similarly, Hans (the Father), discovers his true feelings about his foster daughter, Liesel, as she discoveries the truth about herself and her family. The line ‘ ‘Did the Führer take her way?’ The question surprised them both’ uses an allegory to show how, as the girl travels on this introspective path of selfdiscovery, the truth she reveals is shocking to the audience and to Liesel as she struggles to realise the reality of her world.
The extended metaphor of the surprise represents the provocative nature of human discover. These unexpected discoveries ultimately lead to a renewed perceptions of our world. The unexpected nature of discoveries is further explored in the book with the line ‘it would be easy to say that he was just a tall man sitting poor-postured and shattered on some church steps’ symbolising to us the devastation war can cause and how the provocative nature of a discovery can lead to an emotional and spiritual insight into those around us and our world. Throughout ‘The book thief’ Zusak portrays to us as the audience how the confronting nature of living in a war stricken country can lead to discoveries and renewed perceptions of our world.
Similarly Frost explores the provocative nature of unexpected discoveries, however contrastingly to Zusak we see how the persona rejects this impetus opposed to discovering something new. The allure of discovery is explored in ‘the only other sound’s the sweep of easy wind and downy flake’ where long vowel sounds slow the pace of the poem to explore the allure. The conjunction of ‘but’ in the following sentence reveals the rejection of the impetus to discovery and moves swiftly to a new idea halting the personas contemplation. This contrasts to ‘the book thief’ where Liesel accepts the discovery leading to renewed perceptions of her world while Frost’s persona rejects this discovery ultimately rejecting (??) renewed perceptions on there world. this line doesn't make sense. As the audience, we experience the different possibilities of discovery how the acceptance of a discovery regardless of it’s sudden, unexpected and provocative nature will lead to renewed perceptions of our world.
- good response!
- try not to repeat yourself so much, you say the lines "provocative nature" and the word "discovery" a lot...try and cut down on this
- The 'flow' of the response could be polished but overall it is good
ATB!
Post by: kaylat on February 07, 2018, 10:18:22 pm
Hey,
I am doing a book called 'Mistaken Identity: Two Families, One Survivor, Unwavering Hope" for my english folio related text.
Basically a bunch of uni kids are involved in an accident. 5 are killed. 1 is seriously hurt (V unstable). The parents and siblings of the survivor sit with her day and night for 5 weeks only to find as she was recovering that she was not the person they thought she was. She was the daughter of a couple who 5 weeks before had buried who they thought was there daughter.... however, it was not so. the true identity of the survivor comes to light and the rolls of mourning and hoping are reversed....
I am needing help with the type of discovery present in the story....
Thanks in advance
PS. sorry about the waffle.... pretty bad for my first post :( :o
hey!! I've read that book.... it is pretty amazing!!!
Would definitely have self discovery, spiritual, emotional and social discoveries as well. Could also talk about the introspective discovery of the survivor...
atb with ur folio! 8) 8)
Post by: headsup on February 07, 2018, 10:24:01 pm
Hey!Thanks Opengangs..... however i need a image :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
You could definitely consider Moonrise Kingdom by Wes Anderson. It follows two people who are disconnected from their environment (world), who then find each other's company very fitting. It's a great discovery text, and there are many layers of discoveries littered throughout.
I would also suggest "Death of a Young Son by Drowning" by M. Atwood, but I believe you wouldn't want a poem as your related ;)
Post by: headsup on February 07, 2018, 10:26:11 pm
hey!! I've read that book.... it is pretty amazing!!!hey kaylat!!
Would definitely have self discovery, spiritual, emotional and social discoveries as well. Could also talk about the introspective discovery of the survivor...
atb with ur folio! 8) 8)
that is so cool....
firstly thanks for the response + going over the essay...
below is my first draft of my response to 'mistaken identity'... what do u reckon??
Spoiler
‘Mistaken Identity’ by Don Van Ryn is a touching biography, which entices the reader through its display of the complexity of renewed perspectives and new experiences. Four university students are killed in a car crash. One survives (Laura Van Ryn) and is in ISU. Her family sit by her bedside for five weeks until they discover that it is not Laura but Whitney Cerak. This discovery hugely impacts both families. This book is a rollercoaster of emotions filled with emotional and spiritual discoveries.
Van Ryn employs epiphany to expose the reality of the survivor’s identity. The line ‘I’m very, very sorry. Laura’s dental records did not match. It isn’t her.’ reveals to the audience the true identity of the survivor, the brutal way in which this realisation comes about. Prior to this point, we as an audience have become greatly attached to the survivor. The epiphany disrupts this attachment and in an unexpected way brings grief into our own lives. We feel the pain and suffering that this physical discovery causes, while our perspectives on the case renewed and challenged by this sudden change.
In a similar way, Frost’s, ‘Fire and Ice’ demands the audience into a renewed perspective. Through the unexpected nature of the discovery ‘if it had to perish twice’ where the persona comes to the realisation that the world will not always remain and that it’s destruction must occur twice. As with Van Ryn, Frost uses epiphany to force upon us the discovery and challenge to our preconceived ideas.
The use of flashbacks in ‘Mistaken Identity’ shows the renewed perspectives as the Van Ryn family adjusts to a life without their family member which in such a brutal way is taken from them. ‘Probably the only mean thing she ever did in her life. That girl didn’t have a mean bone in her body. She was always so cheerful, so happy.’ Shows how the family is experiencing flashbacks and with the renewed perspective formed through the unexpected discovery of the death of their love one, they are able to analyse the life that Laura had lived in a new light.
Similarly, we can see this in ‘Fire and Ice’ where the persona states ‘From what I’ve tasted of desire’ where he reflects on his own life through the light of the ‘fire and ice’ allowing through a renewed perspective.
Discoveries are inevitable, as a result of experiences that shape our lives. Van Ryn reveals this throughout the book. The experience both families experience is tremendous. We are able to follow their discoveries through the multimodal text. Blog posts are included throughout the biography which allows a personal insight into the experiences. Van Ryn also employs a dual narrator where both families’ experiences are explored allowing for a more sophisticated insight into the discovery process.
In a contrasting way, Frost, uses one persona and medium throughout, where the persona is engaged in contemplation of the destruction of the world, resulting in a fresh understanding and perspective. This discovery demonstrates that through thought discoveries and renewing of perspectives occurs, contrastingly to Van Ryn which involves a physical event to bring about the discovery.
Through studying of ‘Mistaken Identity’ my understanding of discovery has been greatly strengthened, as it depicts a physical event as the catalyst for the discovery over against the preconceived idea as depicted by Frost that discoveries come as a result of contemplation and thought. The text has reinforced the inevitability of discovery and how through our acceptance of this discovery we can gain renewed perceptions of the world around us.
Van Ryn employs epiphany to expose the reality of the survivor’s identity. The line ‘I’m very, very sorry. Laura’s dental records did not match. It isn’t her.’ reveals to the audience the true identity of the survivor, the brutal way in which this realisation comes about. Prior to this point, we as an audience have become greatly attached to the survivor. The epiphany disrupts this attachment and in an unexpected way brings grief into our own lives. We feel the pain and suffering that this physical discovery causes, while our perspectives on the case renewed and challenged by this sudden change.
In a similar way, Frost’s, ‘Fire and Ice’ demands the audience into a renewed perspective. Through the unexpected nature of the discovery ‘if it had to perish twice’ where the persona comes to the realisation that the world will not always remain and that it’s destruction must occur twice. As with Van Ryn, Frost uses epiphany to force upon us the discovery and challenge to our preconceived ideas.
The use of flashbacks in ‘Mistaken Identity’ shows the renewed perspectives as the Van Ryn family adjusts to a life without their family member which in such a brutal way is taken from them. ‘Probably the only mean thing she ever did in her life. That girl didn’t have a mean bone in her body. She was always so cheerful, so happy.’ Shows how the family is experiencing flashbacks and with the renewed perspective formed through the unexpected discovery of the death of their love one, they are able to analyse the life that Laura had lived in a new light.
Similarly, we can see this in ‘Fire and Ice’ where the persona states ‘From what I’ve tasted of desire’ where he reflects on his own life through the light of the ‘fire and ice’ allowing through a renewed perspective.
Discoveries are inevitable, as a result of experiences that shape our lives. Van Ryn reveals this throughout the book. The experience both families experience is tremendous. We are able to follow their discoveries through the multimodal text. Blog posts are included throughout the biography which allows a personal insight into the experiences. Van Ryn also employs a dual narrator where both families’ experiences are explored allowing for a more sophisticated insight into the discovery process.
In a contrasting way, Frost, uses one persona and medium throughout, where the persona is engaged in contemplation of the destruction of the world, resulting in a fresh understanding and perspective. This discovery demonstrates that through thought discoveries and renewing of perspectives occurs, contrastingly to Van Ryn which involves a physical event to bring about the discovery.
Through studying of ‘Mistaken Identity’ my understanding of discovery has been greatly strengthened, as it depicts a physical event as the catalyst for the discovery over against the preconceived idea as depicted by Frost that discoveries come as a result of contemplation and thought. The text has reinforced the inevitability of discovery and how through our acceptance of this discovery we can gain renewed perceptions of the world around us.
Post by: prickles on February 07, 2018, 10:30:43 pm
To headsup with your discovery folio...(comments in bold)What is a folio? Is it a folio of essays? Because what you're marking doesn't look like an essay?
Post by: headsup on February 07, 2018, 10:34:43 pm
What is a folio? Is it a folio of essays? Because what you're marking doesn't look like an essay?a folio is a compilation of related texts... what was marked in the analysis of the text and how this relates to the AOS - discovery, with Robert Frost as core texts.
Post by: Opengangs on February 07, 2018, 10:35:17 pm
Thanks Opengangs..... however i need a image :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(Hey, hey!
No worries. You could definitely do 'The Histrionic Wayfarer' - I think that's a great image for discovery. In terms of differing for the individual and the world, you could definitely discuss the missing face as seeking for identity for the individual, while the vector of material items could be interpreted as the search for new places and experiences. There are many hidden layers of discovery that you could definitely convey ;D
Other images you could consider include:
Guernica - Picasso
Nobody Understands - Shaun Tan
Self-Help - Michael Leunig
Hopefully, these encourage you to keep seeking ;D
Post by: headsup on February 07, 2018, 10:38:36 pm
Hey, hey!Thanks.!
No worries. You could definitely do 'The Histrionic Wayfarer' - I think that's a great image for discovery. In terms of differing for the individual and the world, you could definitely discuss the missing face as seeking for identity for the individual, while the vector of material items could be interpreted as the search for new places and experiences. There are many hidden layers of discovery that you could definitely convey ;D
I think I will stick with it...
for the missing face i am saying this is omission - portraying a sense of self-discovery???
PS. All comments on page 37 relate to me!!!!!!
Post by: Opengangs on February 07, 2018, 10:41:57 pm
Thanks.!Hey!
I think I will stick with it...
for the missing face i am saying this is omission - portraying a sense of self-discovery???
PS. All comments on page 37 relate to me!!!!!!
I think self-discovery works very well - a sense of finding one's self is definitely a prominent idea within the artwork. I look forward to your analysis :)
If you would like a paragraph or essay marked, please post them here!
Post by: headsup on February 07, 2018, 10:48:05 pm
If you would like a paragraph or essay marked, please post them here!You mean not in this forum????
Post by: kaylat on February 07, 2018, 10:53:03 pm
You mean not in this forum????
hey headsup... I will send you my thought on your 'mistaken identity' response on the hsc marking and feedback forum ;)
Post by: gilliesb18 on February 08, 2018, 04:55:58 am
Post by: Gkumar on February 08, 2018, 02:46:08 pm
How true is this statement of your two related texts (i used a poem and advertisement) and your main text, “Go Back To Where You Came From”?
You should consider audiences and medium as well as ideas.
What points should i talk about, and it has a word limit of 600, I was thinking of just talking about 2 characters from GBTWYCF, and comparing two episodes like the first one and the response
what does it mean by transformative power of discovery, like how discovery is used to transform the characters
and also yeh tbh I just don't know how to start
Thanks, Grace
Post by: Opengangs on February 08, 2018, 03:04:22 pm
Consider the statement: “These texts show the transformative power of discovery.”Hey, Grace!
How true is this statement of your two related texts (i used a poem and advertisement) and your main text, “Go Back To Where You Came From”?
You should consider audiences and medium as well as ideas.
What points should i talk about, and it has a word limit of 600, I was thinking of just talking about 2 characters from GBTWYCF, and comparing two episodes like the first one and the response
what does it mean by transformative power of discovery, like how discovery is used to transform the characters
and also yeh tbh I just don't know how to start
Thanks, Grace
Welcome to the forums ;D
Disclaimer: I didn't do "Go Back To Where You Came From", so this is just a guide for you to consider the question itself. Hopefully, this is just as much help for you. :)
Transformation within an individual isn't usually a physical change (although, you could argue they physically transform); it's usually their mental strength that is changed over time. So, how is their response to the world around them changed as a result of the discoveries that they encounter? Do they begin to see the world in a more profound light? As they venture further into their journey, is their response justified?
Some ideas you could definitely bring to light include:
1. Speculation of future events and ideas shape and mould the character's perception of their own world, leading to new perspectives and a new view of the world.
2. The need to discover begins in an environment that stimulates new ideas and new experiences, leading to a changed view of their world.
3. The unexpected and sudden discoveries being formed by the characters challenges their preconceived ideas in an attempt to subdue old values and to reconsider what they know.
Look beyond the physical changes; look at how the characters behave with their environment. Is their behaviour changed? If so, how does the composer show this? Is it through close ups or wide angle shots? Is it through pace or music? Finally, discuss the effect it has on the audience. We often look at a text with a fixed view on what discovery means to us, because we've experienced it. How does the composer reflect their notion of discovery to our view? Reflect on your own experiences with discovery.
Hopefully, this helps with the direction of your essay - be sure to discuss the composer's role and the audience's purpose and reflection as you're writing a draft. Good luck! :)
Post by: tillerxo on February 08, 2018, 06:27:08 pm
Not too sure if I'm posting this at the right place so sorry if I'm wrong! At the moment I have an assessment that has 3 components: speech, listening task, and creative.
Can someone please look over my creative story draft and speech?
Thank you!
Post by: Opengangs on February 08, 2018, 06:42:39 pm
Hi guys! :DHey, tillerxo.
Not too sure if I'm posting this at the right place so sorry if I'm wrong! At the moment I have an assessment that has 3 components: speech, listening task, and creative.
Can someone please look over my creative story draft and speech?
Thank you!
Welcome to the forums ;D
No worries - if you would like a response marked, then just submit them here!
Good luck with your assessment! :)
Post by: elysepopplewell on February 12, 2018, 01:59:23 pm
hello again, ;)
I have already posted this in another forum in my ignorance..... i am guessing this is the best place.
i am wanting some comments on this response for my related text as part of a folioSpoilerDiscoveries can be sudden and unexpected, with their provocative nature leading to profound renewing of our perceptions of our world. This confronting nature of discoveries through an unexpected revealing is explored in Markus Zusak’s book ‘The book thief’ and Robert Frost poetry ‘Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening. ‘The book thief’ is set in Nazi Germany during World War Two. It depicts the life of a young German girl Liesel Meminger and her foster parents as they struggle with everyday challenges of life in war stricken Germany. The struggles are seen through ‘did he bend down and embrace his foster daughter, as he wanted to? … not exactly… he slapped Liesel Meminger’ which employs binary opposites of the ‘embrace’ and ‘slapped’ showing how a discovery of the true meaning of an aspect of our lives can lead to a vivid contrast in our perceptions of the world and how we respond to the events of our lives’. Similarly, to the way in which Hans (the father) discoveries his true feeling about his foster daughter, Liesel discoveries the truth about herself and her family. The line ‘ ‘Did the Führer take her way?’ The question surprised them both’ uses an allegory showing how as the girl travels on this path of discovery the truth she reveals is not only shocking for those around her and us as the audience but also for the girl herself as she struggles to realise the reality of her world. The extended metaphor of the surprise represents the provocative nature of a discovery how this unexpected discovery leads to renewed perceptions of our world. The unexpected nature of discoveries is further explored in the book with ‘it would be easy to say that he was just a tall man sitting poor-postured and shattered on some church steps’ symbolising to us the devastation war can cause and how the provocative nature of a discovery can lead to an emotional and spiritual insight into those around us and our world. Throughout ‘The book thief’ Zusak portrays to us as the audience how the confronting nature of living in a war stricken country can lead to discoveries and renewed perceptions of our world.
In a similar Frost explores the provocative nature of unexpected discoveries, however contrastingly to Zusak we see how the persona rejects this impetus opposed to discovery something new. The allure of discovery is explored in ‘the only other sound’s the sweep of easy wind and downy flake’ where long vowel sounds slow the pace of the poem to explore the allure. The conjunction of ‘but’ in the following sentence revels the rejection of the impetus to discovery and moves swiftly to a new idea halting the personas contemplation. This contrasts to ‘the book thief’ where Liesel accepts the discovery leading to renewed perceptions of her world will Frost’s persona rejects this discovery ultimately rejecting renewed perceptions on there world. As the audience, we experience the different possibilities of discovery how the acceptance of a discovery regardless of it’s sudden, unexpected and provocative nature will lead to renewed perceptions of our world.
hey headsup!
There are a few tiny errors here that I think you could stamp out if you read it out loud. For example, you begin the second paragraph with "In a similar Frost..." which doesn't really make sense. "In a similar WAY" perhaps? A few times tiny mistakes like that jar the work. When you slowly read the work out in front of a mirror or in your room you usually pick up on these mistakes and can correct them. You've made connections between the texts really well.
I have one other suggestion in terms of your writing. Very regularly, you start sentences with "The" or "This" which doesn't sound like a bad thing, except that you sometimes do it in succession. The lack of variation to your syntax can let your work down a little bit in terms of the way it's presented, and you've got great analysis that you want to LIFT instead of distract from. If you Control + F or Command + F (PC or Mac) and type in "the" you can see how many times you use "the". Don't get me wrong, it's an incredibly useful and small word! What I'm suggesting is you give your sentence starters some variation so it's not so predictable reading your work. I hope this makes sense! Your analysis is very good I think!
Post by: edumax on March 05, 2018, 06:33:31 pm
I know to break down and unpack the question, but I don't know if I'm doing it correctly or what exactly to base my body paragraphs around.
Thank you :)
Post by: beatroot on March 05, 2018, 06:53:10 pm
Hey, just wondering if you had any guides, resources or tips on how to answer an essay question on discovery?
I know to break down and unpack the question, but I don't know if I'm doing it correctly or what exactly to base my body paragraphs around.
Thank you :)
Hey there!
For tips and tricks for discovery, I would recommend checking out the 'Area of Study' board right here.
There are some articles as well:
- Thesis statements: Discovery
- Essay structure in general
- HSC Revision Videos: English
As for your body paragraphs, this depends on the question that you're given. For example, for last year's AOS essay question, it was 'Whether motivated by need, wonder or curiosity, discovery has the power to be transformative'. Each body paragraph had to correspond to each component of the question (need, wonder and curiosity) and prove that each component allows for the power of discovery to be transformative. However, for other exam questions, they might asked the impact of discovery on an individual before and after discovery. For these types of questions, I would usually integrate my prescribed text and my ORT for the 'before' paragraph and do the same thing for the 'after' paragraph.
The essay questions for the AOS are quite predictable (if you read the syllabus from back to front), so this will definitely make it easier for you to decide the topic for each of your body paragraphs.
Hope this helps :)
Post by: kauac on March 05, 2018, 07:03:03 pm
Hey, just wondering if you had any guides, resources or tips on how to answer an essay question on discovery?
I know to break down and unpack the question, but I don't know if I'm doing it correctly or what exactly to base my body paragraphs around.
Thank you :)
Hi...
Just wanted to add, if its the structure of the essay you are confused about, have you tried following an acronym? Personally, in a body paragraph I like to use the acronym STEEL: statement, technique, example, effect, link. Normally I would have one in-depth STEEL for the prescribed text, and another for the related text (my teacher recommends about a 60:40 ratio in terms of content length).
If you have any practice answers or essay writing you would like some feedback on, then feel free to post them in the marking section here. :)
Post by: joemassoud on March 08, 2018, 01:21:42 pm
I have attached a copy of my assessment notification for my half yearly. I am really stuck on how to start and what to draw. If anyone could suggest some ideas that will awesome.
Thanks in advance
Post by: Dragomistress on March 11, 2018, 11:12:43 am
Post by: kauac on March 11, 2018, 11:43:39 am
For English creatives, are you meant to copy and paste rubric statements into it?
Hi...
If you mean physically incorporating the exact wording of aspects of the rubric, then the answer is no. In fact, it you did that, the markers would probably be pretty annoyed... :-[
It is best to try and show through your writing how the piece is relevant to discovery. Try and pick a few aspects that you really want to own in your story, but try not to be conspicuous about how they are incorporated.
E.g in Finding Nemo, you could say that it is a provocative discovery. You don't see the Dory and Marlin saying "This is a really challenging discovery. There are so many things that are stopping us from finding Nemo." Instead, viewers deduce by the barriers and complications they face along the way that it is a provocative discovery.
Hope this helps. ;D
Post by: elysepopplewell on March 12, 2018, 09:03:22 am
Hey Guys,
I have attached a copy of my assessment notification for my half yearly. I am really stuck on how to start and what to draw. If anyone could suggest some ideas that will awesome.
Thanks in advance
Hey there! Firstly, you should choose your three ideas to explore. I had a task like this in preliminary, and I chose to use a metaphor to represent the ideas. I used a pop-up style of poster to pull out doors at the front. The doors looked like a ballroom was inside, and when you opened it, it was a slaughterhouse. It was relevant to the idea of appearance Vs reality that I explored in Dicken's Great Expectations. But the metaphor really worked for me :)
Post by: Dragomistress on March 13, 2018, 05:03:25 pm
Post by: username2000 on March 13, 2018, 05:25:45 pm
*fairly urgent please*
Hello peops,
Can someone please mark this for me?
its due tomorrow!!
thanks so much...any feedback will be v v much apprecitated!!<
Post by: username2000 on March 13, 2018, 05:30:00 pm
My teacher tells us that we are meant to put in rubric statements into our story. What do I do? And she is quite persistent about that.heyy...that's easy..i find it very usefull. for example the discovery rubric mentions something like 'discoveries can lead us to new worlds and vlaues' and u can use any of these statements for thesis in ur essay or anything!! they r useful and exactly what markers are loking for!! that's my opinions...not sure if its correct cos I'm not an English pro!!! obviously ::) ??? 8) :o :( :-[ :-[ :-X :-\ :'( ;)
Post by: prickles on March 13, 2018, 06:13:24 pm
*fairly urgent please*
Hello peops,
Can someone please mark this for me?
its due tomorrow!!
thanks so much...any feedback will be v v much apprecitated!!<
Spoiler
Language is such an omnipotent tool because it can transport us to other worlds vis-à-vis vis-à-vis to me means 'in regard to', so it seems like it is saying 'transport us to other worlds in regard to descriptive language' - consider changing to 'by utilising' or a simple 'with' descriptive language. The use of visual imagery in Lawson’s story change to novel ‘in a dry season’capitals? italics? has the power to transport the reader to new worlds and values. Similarly, his short story as before, state the text type, rather than 'story. Capitalise and italics too please “the drover’s wife” allows us change to 'the audience/responder to imagine the barrenness of the Australian outback and the stereotypical ‘Aussie’ personality. Tim Winton’s short story better ;D except remember capitals ‘dirt music’ helps us unless your teacher has told you otherwise, I would change this to audience/responder to understand how a person’s environment can influence their mindset and way of life. I really like your intro. Try not stuff too much analysis in, save that for the body paragraphs. I think because your question refers to the responder, you will want to focus on the audience a bit more in here
Theeffective depiction of the landscape what landscape? allows the reader to be transported I would rather 'educated regarding' or something instead of transported - especially concerning culture to other worlds and cultures as they imagine the barrenness and isolation of the Australian Outback. Henry Lawson’s short story In a Dry Season meritoriously is this the right word?illustrates the desolation and remoteness of the environment/landscape/surroundings - else you have too many 'ands' in a row - or consider rewording the sentence and the impact it is having on the homo-diegetic narrator. The metaphorical language in the quotedepicted in “Draw a wire fence and a few ragged gums, and add some scattered sheep” asks the reader to paint a picture in their imaginationI don't see the metaphor in here? Or you haven't discussed it's effect?. As the reader imagines the setting as a vast but unfilled wasteland with very little to attract the eye, it helps us to understand the impact the despondent atmosphere is having on the protagonist. His humour is very sardonic as he states that better transition into the quote :) nice! “Death is about the only cheerful thing in the bush”, hyperbolising the ghastly landscape to illustrate the effect it has upon him can you include the responder in here also? Your analysis here is good, just needs to answer the question. The humour associated with death is very wry, here as he juxtaposes death and cheerfulness to emphasise both the devastation of the landscape and the upbeat, Australian spirit of resilience that is required to face it. His paradoxical humour is also used previously, “The least horrible spot in the bush…is where the bush isn’t”, causing the reader to question the value that lies within the landscape YES!, expressing the character’s strange idea that the bush is only required in its absence. These quotes I hate using the word 'quote' in essaysexpress the negative, yet thoughtful opinion that the narrator contemplates ofpossesses regarding his outback surroundings and the way this influences his life.
‘The Drover’s Wife’, a short story written by Henry Lawson pictoralises the Australian bush in a way that suggests the loneliness of the characters as they are isolated from human fellowship. It captivates the reader by conveying emotions and communicates ideas in a way that is transformative by employing realism, imagination and interpretation on the audience’s behalf. Visual imagery inthe phrase “Nothing to relieve the eye save the darker green of a few she-oaks which are sighing above the narrow, almost waterless creek” engages personification in the ‘sighing’ to suggest exhaustion, slow movement and weariness good - but how does this affect the responders perceptions?. Through these techniques the nothingness in this landscape is emphasised, while also depicting suggesting? it is alive and visually striking despite its sparseness and the weariness it creates. Lawson creates an image of the despondent setting by hyperbolising in the statement “the everlasting, maddening sameness of the stunted trees – that monotony which makes a man long to break away and travel as far as trains can go, and sail as far as ship can sail – and farther” this is quite long - consider shortening it, again utilising descriptive language in the form of visual imagery. The diction of “stunted” gives the impression of something distorted or diminished physically as being ruined by the heat. Furthermore, the “everlasting sameness” evokes a feeling of monotony. Lawson’s description is effective here as it imprints this image in the reader’s mind of a sparse, dull landscape that is lifeless and lacking in energy or vibrancy.
The excerpt from Tim Winton’s narrative, “Dirt Music”, is a fantastical explanation of how idiosyncratically pictorial imagery too wordy can explore the ways that landscapescan stimulate an individual’s response to significant aspects of their life. It represents sensory perceptions and feelings told through ‘Georgie’s’ eyes, painting a vibrant description of the Australian stereotype. The use of tactile imagery in the quote “Sea air misted on her skin. The chill burned her scalp” also makes uses of paradoxical language by contrasting the chill and the burning sensation to emphasise the unpleasant effect the climate is having on her. This statement has the ability to transport the reader to other worlds, share experiences and landscapes in a way that evokes feelings of empathyyes!
empathy = connection for the character as hersenses are influenced by the landscape that surrounds her.I don't think you need this This thought is continued in the next expression “Sentimental attachment to geography irritated her…that what she was sniffing for was the highball mix you imbibed every night of your riverside Perth childhood” showing her resentfulness of the consequences of romanticising the natural features of the land. Her Australian identity is depicted in the quote “Bugger it, she thought, why not”, using a high modality word and dialogue to effectually portray her unique personality. The ‘swear’ word is typical of the ‘Aussie’ stereotype and our laid back disposition, showing how the protagonist’s language choice has been influenced by the Australian bush. Therefore, visual language can be manipulated to provoke a response using pathos, ethos and logos. This text is very similar to Henry Lawson’s texts ‘The Drover’s Wife’ and ‘In a Dry Season’ because all texts portray comparable pictures of the way the Australian landscape influences the protagonists in these stories. The drover’s wife is a lonely woman because she is located in a very remote spot in the vast, empty bush of the outback. The narrator in ‘In a Dry Season’ describes the landscape as he is observing it through the window of a train. His pictoralisation is extremely pessimistic as he explains it as a place no one would want to visit, using a very sardonic sense of humour throughout the text. Likewise, the girl in Tim Winton’s narrative is against any emotions or attachment towards the landscape and appears to be too alone in her perspective of the story.
It is trueconsider reqording this that both Henry Lawson and Tim Winton are effective in using simple but evocative imagery to bring to life the desolate nature of the Australian landscape and it has its effect on the main characters of their short stories. The narratives also explore how the characters are lonely and rarely express their fondness and attachment to the desert-like Australian environment. Through reading these texts, the audience is allowed to gain a greater understanding and insight into the experiences of Australians and the influence of their surroundings. Do more on thee audience - the connections they make with the characters
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‘The Drover’s Wife’, a short story written by Henry Lawson pictoralises the Australian bush in a way that suggests the loneliness of the characters as they are isolated from human fellowship. It captivates the reader by conveying emotions and communicates ideas in a way that is transformative by employing realism, imagination and interpretation on the audience’s behalf. Visual imagery in
The excerpt from Tim Winton’s narrative, “Dirt Music”, is a fantastical explanation of how idiosyncratically pictorial imagery too wordy can explore the ways that landscapes
empathy = connection for the character as her
It is trueconsider reqording this that both Henry Lawson and Tim Winton are effective in using simple but evocative imagery to bring to life the desolate nature of the Australian landscape and it has its effect on the main characters of their short stories. The narratives also explore how the characters are lonely and rarely express their fondness and attachment to the desert-like Australian environment. Through reading these texts, the audience is allowed to gain a greater understanding and insight into the experiences of Australians and the influence of their surroundings. Do more on thee audience - the connections they make with the characters
I've seen you post work before, and I feel this is an improvement :) One thing I would pick up, is that it's fine to expand your vocabulary, but if you don't understand what the word means, especially in that sentence, don't put it in there. Band 6 responses aren't wordy and convoluted - they are clear in what they want to say and execute it well using language that they understand. So for me, I would re-read your essay, and make sure you understand it yourself. Read it aloud, as that can help you pick up on expression.
But a great job!
Post by: username2000 on March 13, 2018, 06:32:23 pm
thankyou so much for your help prickles!!!I don't do Standard English, so my input is going to be minimal regarding your texts. I'm mainly focusing on expression and general improvements.SpoilerLanguage is such an omnipotent tool because it can transport us to other worlds vis-à-vis vis-à-vis to me means 'in regard to', so it seems like it is saying 'transport us to other worlds in regard to descriptive language' - consider changing to 'by utilising' or a simple 'with' descriptive language. The use of visual imagery in Lawson’s story change to novel ‘in a dry season’capitals? italics? has the power to transport the reader to new worlds and values. Similarly, his short story as before, state the text type, rather than 'story. Capitalise and italics too please “the drover’s wife” allows us change to 'the audience/responder to imagine the barrenness of the Australian outback and the stereotypical ‘Aussie’ personality. Tim Winton’s short story better ;D except remember capitals ‘dirt music’ helps us unless your teacher has told you otherwise, I would change this to audience/responder to understand how a person’s environment can influence their mindset and way of life. I really like your intro. Try not stuff too much analysis in, save that for the body paragraphs. I think because your question refers to the responder, you will want to focus on the audience a bit more in here
Theeffectivedepiction of the landscape what landscape? allows the reader to be transported I would rather 'educated regarding' or something instead of transported - especially concerning culture to other worlds and cultures as they imagine the barrenness and isolation of the Australian Outback. Henry Lawson’s short story In a Dry Season meritoriously is this the right word?illustrates the desolation and remoteness of the environment/landscape/surroundings - else you have too many 'ands' in a row - or consider rewording the sentence and the impact it is having on the homo-diegetic narrator. The metaphorical languagein the quotedepicted in “Draw a wire fence and a few ragged gums, and add some scattered sheep” asks the reader to paint a picture in their imaginationI don't see the metaphor in here? Or you haven't discussed it's effect?. As the reader imagines the setting as a vast but unfilled wasteland with very little to attract the eye, it helps us to understand the impact the despondent atmosphere is having on the protagonist. His humour is very sardonic as he states that better transition into the quote :) nice! “Death is about the only cheerful thing in the bush”, hyperbolising the ghastly landscape to illustrate the effect it has upon him can you include the responder in here also? Your analysis here is good, just needs to answer the question. The humour associated with death is very wry,hereas he juxtaposes death and cheerfulness to emphasise both the devastation of the landscape and the upbeat, Australian spirit of resiliencethat is required to face it. His paradoxical humour is also used previously, “The least horrible spot in the bush…is where the bush isn’t”, causing the reader to question the value that lies within the landscape YES!, expressing the character’s strange idea that the bush is only required in its absence. These quotes I hate using the word 'quote' in essaysexpress the negative, yet thoughtful opinion that the narratorcontemplates ofpossesses regarding his outback surroundings and the way this influences his life.
‘The Drover’s Wife’, a short story written by Henry Lawson pictoralises the Australian bush in a way that suggests the loneliness of the characters as they are isolated from human fellowship. It captivates the reader by conveying emotions and communicates ideas in a way that is transformative by employing realism, imagination and interpretation on the audience’s behalf. Visual imagery inthe phrase“Nothing to relieve the eye save the darker green of a few she-oaks which are sighing above the narrow, almost waterless creek” engages personification in the ‘sighing’ to suggest exhaustion, slow movement and weariness good - but how does this affect the responders perceptions?. Through these techniques the nothingness in this landscape is emphasised, while also depicting suggesting? it is alive and visually striking despite its sparseness and the weariness it creates. Lawson creates an image of the despondent setting by hyperbolising in the statement “the everlasting, maddening sameness of the stunted trees – that monotony which makes a man long to break away and travel as far as trains can go, and sail as far as ship can sail – and farther” this is quite long - consider shortening it, again utilisingdescriptive language in the form ofvisual imagery. The diction of “stunted” gives the impression of something distorted or diminished physically as being ruined by the heat. Furthermore, the “everlasting sameness” evokes a feeling of monotony. Lawson’s description is effective here as it imprints this image in the reader’s mind of a sparse, dull landscape that is lifeless and lacking in energy or vibrancy.
The excerpt from Tim Winton’s narrative, “Dirt Music”, is a fantastical explanation of how idiosyncratically pictorial imagery too wordy can explore the ways that landscapescanstimulate an individual’s response to significant aspects of their life. It represents sensory perceptions and feelings told through ‘Georgie’s’ eyes, painting a vibrant description of the Australian stereotype. The use of tactile imagery in the quote “Sea air misted on her skin. The chill burned her scalp”also makesusesofparadoxical language by contrasting the chill and the burning sensation to emphasise the unpleasant effect the climate is having on her. This statement has the ability to transport the reader to other worlds, share experiences and landscapes in a way that evokes feelings of empathyyes!
empathy = connection for the character as hersenses are influenced by the landscape that surrounds her.I don't think you need this This thought is continued in the next expression “Sentimental attachment to geography irritated her…that what she was sniffing for was the highball mix you imbibed every night of your riverside Perth childhood” showing her resentfulness of the consequences of romanticising the natural features of the land. Her Australian identity is depicted in the quote “Bugger it, she thought, why not”, using a high modality word and dialogue to effectually portray her unique personality. The ‘swear’ word is typical of the ‘Aussie’ stereotype and our laid back disposition, showing how the protagonist’s language choice has been influenced by the Australian bush. Therefore, visual language can be manipulated to provoke a response using pathos, ethos and logos. This text is very similar to Henry Lawson’s texts ‘The Drover’s Wife’ and ‘In a Dry Season’ because all texts portray comparable pictures of the way the Australian landscape influences the protagonists in these stories. The drover’s wife is a lonely woman because she is located in a very remote spot in the vast, empty bush of the outback. The narrator in ‘In a Dry Season’ describes the landscape as he is observing it through the window of a train. His pictoralisation is extremely pessimistic as he explains it as a place no one would want to visit, using a very sardonic sense of humour throughout the text. Likewise, the girl in Tim Winton’s narrative is against any emotions or attachment towards the landscape and appears to be too alone in her perspective of the story.
It is trueconsider reqording this that both Henry Lawson and Tim Winton are effective in using simple but evocative imagery to bring to life the desolate nature of the Australian landscape and it has its effect on the main characters of their short stories. The narratives also explore how the characters are lonely and rarely express their fondness and attachment to the desert-like Australian environment. Through reading these texts, the audience is allowed to gain a greater understanding and insight into the experiences of Australians and the influence of their surroundings. Do more on thee audience - the connections they make with the characters
I've seen you post work before, and I feel this is an improvement :) One thing I would pick up, is that it's fine to expand your vocabulary, but if you don't understand what the word means, especially in that sentence, don't put it in there. Band 6 responses aren't wordy and convoluted - they are clear in what they want to say and execute it well using language that they understand. So for me, I would re-read your essay, and make sure you understand it yourself. Read it aloud, as that can help you pick up on expression.
But a great job!
is pictorlisation a owrd?? just thought it sounded good ;D 8) :-\
Post by: username2000 on March 13, 2018, 07:15:12 pm
I also added this as last sentence of intro for thesis: Through these texts the audience can better understand how descriptive and visual language can influence the main characters of these texts in their depiction of the landscape about them.
how and what exactly did u mean to add to intro sorry?
and would I replace 'it is true' for the conlusion to 'in conclusion'??<
thankyou so much again!!
I have attached it again with modifications if anyone cbb to fix it up again..thanks in advance ;D
Post by: headsup on March 13, 2018, 09:32:01 pm
*fairly urgent please*
Hello peops,
Can someone please mark this for me?
its due tomorrow!!
thanks so much...any feedback will be v v much apprecitated!!<
heyy!!! my assessment is also due tomorrow = also urgent...
would someone be able to look over the beginning of my essay and comment... still working on the rest!!!
Spoiler
How does the use of the distinctively visual explore the ways that landscapes influence an individual’s response to significant aspects of their life?
Composers create distinctively visual moments to reveal how an individual’s perception are shaped through the environment in which they live. An individual’s response to significant aspects in their lives are influenced through their environment. This idea is explored in both Henry Lawson’s short stories The Drover’s Wife and The Bush Undertaker, as well as Dirt Music by Tim Winton. Both composers create distinctively visual moments through techniques such as strong imagery, detached objective tone, and language to describe the environments in which the individuals are living and how these environments have an impact upon the responses of the personas in these narratives to important events in their lives.
The Drover’s Wife by Henry Lawson explores the perception of the world through the persona as influenced by the personas environment. To explore this perception distinctively visual techniques are utilised to express these perceptions. The use of understatement throughout the story creates distinctively visual moments. The paragraph “One of the children died while she was alone. She rode nineteen miles for assistance, carrying the dead child”, is an understatement as it portrays the death of the woman’s child and how she responds to this death of her child. Her adverse surroundings cause her to respond to the death extensively different compared to a women in a normal society. This adaption to the landscape through the perceptions of the world, is further explored throughout the story. “Mother! Listen to them (adjective) little possums. I’d like to screw their blanky necks.”. The vernacular colloquialism portrays to the reader how even a young boy has been significantly influenced by the bush and those around him. His causes him to adapt to these surrounding and revert to the language spoken in the environment in which the lives. Through these distinctively visual moments, Lawson displays to us how an individual’s perceptions of significant aspects in their lives, such as the death of a child and communication with family has been shaped by their environment, and the personas have become a part of the environment in which they live.
Similarly, in the excerpt from Dirt Music, Winton explores perceptions of individuals through the employment of distinctively visual techniques. As in The Drover’s Wife, the role of the environment in an individuals experience is crucial to the story. The detached objective tone in ‘decent enough to spend three years with, and for Georgie Jutland that was a record’ employs a distinctively visual technique, as in The Drovers Wife and the use of hyperbole, to portray to the reader how the adverse environment of Western Australia combined with the harsh life and environment of a past life in Saudi Arabia has lead to her inability to maintain a relationship. As with The Drovers Wife, these adverse surroundings have caused her to act different in the face of significant aspects in life, which is portrayed through the unusualness of not being able to maintain a relationship. As with The Drover’s Wife, adaptation to the landscape is portrayed through vernacular colloquialism, a distinctively visual technique. “Bugger it, she thought, why not.” uses high modality language, as well vernacular colloquialism to express the identity of the persona. ‘Bugger’ is a typical Australian swear word showing how she has adapted to the Australia bush, as with The Drovers Wife and the ‘blanks’. Therefore, we can see how both Lawson and Winton use distinctively visual techniques to express how the environment a persona encounters influences the perceptions of the world, revealed through the employment of significant aspects of life such as death and relationships. Distinctively visual techniques portray how the environment causes them to feel differently and express themselves differently to those in a similar social standing in a different environment.
Composers create distinctively visual moments to reveal how an individual’s perception are shaped through the environment in which they live. An individual’s response to significant aspects in their lives are influenced through their environment. This idea is explored in both Henry Lawson’s short stories The Drover’s Wife and The Bush Undertaker, as well as Dirt Music by Tim Winton. Both composers create distinctively visual moments through techniques such as strong imagery, detached objective tone, and language to describe the environments in which the individuals are living and how these environments have an impact upon the responses of the personas in these narratives to important events in their lives.
The Drover’s Wife by Henry Lawson explores the perception of the world through the persona as influenced by the personas environment. To explore this perception distinctively visual techniques are utilised to express these perceptions. The use of understatement throughout the story creates distinctively visual moments. The paragraph “One of the children died while she was alone. She rode nineteen miles for assistance, carrying the dead child”, is an understatement as it portrays the death of the woman’s child and how she responds to this death of her child. Her adverse surroundings cause her to respond to the death extensively different compared to a women in a normal society. This adaption to the landscape through the perceptions of the world, is further explored throughout the story. “Mother! Listen to them (adjective) little possums. I’d like to screw their blanky necks.”. The vernacular colloquialism portrays to the reader how even a young boy has been significantly influenced by the bush and those around him. His causes him to adapt to these surrounding and revert to the language spoken in the environment in which the lives. Through these distinctively visual moments, Lawson displays to us how an individual’s perceptions of significant aspects in their lives, such as the death of a child and communication with family has been shaped by their environment, and the personas have become a part of the environment in which they live.
Similarly, in the excerpt from Dirt Music, Winton explores perceptions of individuals through the employment of distinctively visual techniques. As in The Drover’s Wife, the role of the environment in an individuals experience is crucial to the story. The detached objective tone in ‘decent enough to spend three years with, and for Georgie Jutland that was a record’ employs a distinctively visual technique, as in The Drovers Wife and the use of hyperbole, to portray to the reader how the adverse environment of Western Australia combined with the harsh life and environment of a past life in Saudi Arabia has lead to her inability to maintain a relationship. As with The Drovers Wife, these adverse surroundings have caused her to act different in the face of significant aspects in life, which is portrayed through the unusualness of not being able to maintain a relationship. As with The Drover’s Wife, adaptation to the landscape is portrayed through vernacular colloquialism, a distinctively visual technique. “Bugger it, she thought, why not.” uses high modality language, as well vernacular colloquialism to express the identity of the persona. ‘Bugger’ is a typical Australian swear word showing how she has adapted to the Australia bush, as with The Drovers Wife and the ‘blanks’. Therefore, we can see how both Lawson and Winton use distinctively visual techniques to express how the environment a persona encounters influences the perceptions of the world, revealed through the employment of significant aspects of life such as death and relationships. Distinctively visual techniques portray how the environment causes them to feel differently and express themselves differently to those in a similar social standing in a different environment.
Post by: joemassoud on March 17, 2018, 09:37:18 am
By any chance can someone please let me know what technique this is:
"They had a big black young retriever dog - or rather an foolish, four-footed mate, who was always slobbering round them”
Post by: edumax on March 17, 2018, 09:39:40 am
Anything will help. It's for discovery.
Also how to cut down half the content i already have because I'm way over... :-\
Post by: edumax on March 17, 2018, 09:48:45 am
Hey Guys
By any chance can someone please let me know what technique this is:
"They had a big black young retriever dog - or rather an foolish, four-footed mate, who was always slobbering round them”
I'd use alliteration of 'b' and 'f' and authentic Australian diction of 'mate'. You can also note the purpose of the heavy descriptive language.
Post by: jamonwindeyer on March 17, 2018, 10:23:58 am
Hey just wondering if there were any tips or guides for writing speeches or anything related to speaking tasks?
Anything will help. It's for discovery.
This guide could help! ;D
Post by: Hexidian on March 19, 2018, 03:01:03 pm
I was given two questions for my Mod A in class assessment and decided to do this question:
How do the qualities of distinctive images create interest and offer fresh perspectives on the world?
When writing my essay do i have to compare similarities or differences of both texts?
And if so what are the similarities/differences between my set and related text because i cant quite seem to find it
I'm kind of struggling understanding how to write my essay
Hope this isn't asking too much!
Much help would be appreciated :)
Post by: elysepopplewell on March 19, 2018, 04:07:27 pm
Im currently doing Henry Lawson's short stories In a Dry Season and The Drover's Wife and my related is The Rabbits, a picture book by Shaun Tan and John Marsden.
I was given two questions for my Mod A in class assessment and decided to do this question:
How do the qualities of distinctive images create interest and offer fresh perspectives on the world?
When writing my essay do i have to compare similarities or differences of both texts?
And if so what are the similarities/differences between my set and related text because i cant quite seem to find it
I'm kind of struggling understanding how to write my essay
Hope this isn't asking too much!
Much help would be appreciated :)
Hey there! I haven't studied these texts, although I have heard of The Rabbits. So I apologise for not being super precise in my response, someone else might be able to bridge the gap in my knowledge. When writing the essay you don't *have* to compare similarities and differences, so to say. Rather, you use similarities and differences as a point of discussion. So for every point you make about your prescribed text, you don't necessarily have to make a comparison comment about the other text. Instead, you might look at how imagery is used in both and use that as a link between them. Or, you might look closely at metaphors used in both. It might not be stylistic, it might be in the content. So if both of the texts show fresh perspectives on mobility, or on romance, or on politics, etc...then you could use this as your point of discussion between the two texts.
Does this make sense? :)
Post by: Hexidian on March 19, 2018, 04:44:38 pm
Hey there! I haven't studied these texts, although I have heard of The Rabbits. So I apologise for not being super precise in my response, someone else might be able to bridge the gap in my knowledge. When writing the essay you don't *have* to compare similarities and differences, so to say. Rather, you use similarities and differences as a point of discussion. So for every point you make about your prescribed text, you don't necessarily have to make a comparison comment about the other text. Instead, you might look at how imagery is used in both and use that as a link between them. Or, you might look closely at metaphors used in both. It might not be stylistic, it might be in the content. So if both of the texts show fresh perspectives on mobility, or on romance, or on politics, etc...then you could use this as your point of discussion between the two texts.
Does this make sense? :)
Thanks for the reply!
So for my essay can i talk about the Australian bush for Lawson's stories and talk about Australian history for the rabbits? If i do so do i have to somehow relate how they convey their message? Like they both create distinctively visual images through [technique] but convey different perspectives?
Also, where do i show the link that for example imagery is used in both texts to convey different perspectives? Do i do that in the conclusion?
I have no problem writing my body paragraphs for my set text i'm just confused how i should write my related.
Post by: jordss on March 21, 2018, 09:58:42 am
' Discoveries can be fresh and intensely meaningful in ways that can be emotional, creative, intellectual, physical and spiritual. They can also be confronting and provocative.' How is this perspective on discovery on discovery explored in your prescribed text and ONE related text of your choosing?
thanks in advance!
Post by: username2000 on March 21, 2018, 10:09:17 am
Hi there! I need help choosing a supplementary text. I'm studying Away by Michael Gow at the moment and have to do a 5 minute speech on Away with one supplementary text. our question ishave u tried googling it? or asking your teacher for advice
' Discoveries can be fresh and intensely meaningful in ways that can be emotional, creative, intellectual, physical and spiritual. They can also be confronting and provocative.' How is this perspective on discovery on discovery explored in your prescribed text and ONE related text of your choosing?
thanks in advance!
Post by: jamonwindeyer on March 21, 2018, 07:55:56 pm
Hi there! I need help choosing a supplementary text. I'm studying Away by Michael Gow at the moment and have to do a 5 minute speech on Away with one supplementary text. our question is
' Discoveries can be fresh and intensely meaningful in ways that can be emotional, creative, intellectual, physical and spiritual. They can also be confronting and provocative.' How is this perspective on discovery on discovery explored in your prescribed text and ONE related text of your choosing?
thanks in advance!
have u tried googling it? or asking your teacher for advice
Welcome to the forums jordss!! Who needs Google when we've put together a big list of suggestions! :)
Post by: Ophelia_ on March 21, 2018, 10:55:45 pm
So i'm doing The Lost Thing by Shaun Tan for my related text in comparison to Life of Pi, which is my prescribed material for AOS.
Is there a concept of rediscovery portrayed in The Lost Thing by Shaun Tan? and where is it shown?
Thanks for the help btw!
Post by: Dragomistress on March 28, 2018, 07:20:38 pm
Post by: beatroot on March 28, 2018, 07:28:15 pm
For Henry Lawson, do we have to do all 4 of those texts? Or do we only need to do a few?
Hey there!
I didn't do Henry Lawson for Mod A but it's better to study all of Lawson's texts then just studying a few because they might ask for a specific short story in the exam :)
Post by: joemassoud on March 29, 2018, 08:32:21 pm
For Henry Lawson, do we have to do all 4 of those texts? Or do we only need to do a few?
all four texts
Post by: LegalEagle24/7 on May 02, 2018, 05:56:04 pm
the question was...
" The significance of the experience of transition lies in individuals gaining a deeper
understanding of themselves and others.
To what extent do the texts you have studied in this elective support this view? "
Since, it says experience, do you have to have quotes from the beginning, middle and end of the text?
Thanksxx
Post by: beatroot on May 02, 2018, 08:30:56 pm
Hey, for the 2017 HSC mod c exploring transitions,
the question was...
" The significance of the experience of transition lies in individuals gaining a deeper
understanding of themselves and others.
To what extent do the texts you have studied in this elective support this view? "
Since, it says experience, do you have to have quotes from the beginning, middle and end of the text?
Thanksxx
Hey there!
I remember doing this question for my HSC :) For this question, I did two integrated paragraphs. One for before/middle of text (my prescribed and related texts) and one for end of text (my prescribed and related texts). The reason why I did it this way was because of the time limit. I didn't think I would've been able to write three/six paragraphs in 40 minutes. However, it really is up to you how you structure your paragraphs and what quotes you want to use in them. As long as there's a consistency :)
Post by: edumax on May 03, 2018, 08:20:48 pm
Anything will help, thanks heaps!! :)
Post by: beatroot on May 03, 2018, 09:14:42 pm
Hey, just wondering if anyone has any tips for studying Module B (Film- A Beautiful Mind)?
Anything will help, thanks heaps!! :)
Hey! I didn't do 'A Beautiful Mind' but pretty much Module B is a close study so there's a lot of emphasis on the text's recurring themes through its techniques.
Since its a film, you have to keep in mind visual techniques are the preferred choice of techniques when analysing a film instead of the dialogue (-unless the dialogue actually helps aha). You can analyse the film in terms of its angles (ie; high shot = power, wide shot = emptiness, etc.), edits (ie; reverse, black and white, slow down), lighting, composition, vector lines, colour, character, costuming, visual symbols and more. Then explain how those techniques create meaning or tell a theme. For example, in Billy Elliot the use of blue costuming at the start of the film represents masculinity. However, the colours red, yellow and green represents Billy's growth as an individual.
Hope this helps :)
Post by: jessica mo on May 03, 2018, 10:39:25 pm
Post by: jessica mo on May 03, 2018, 10:41:20 pm
Post by: beatroot on May 03, 2018, 10:45:13 pm
How many related texts are needed for module B: close study of text?
No related text needed as Mod B has alot of focus on the prescribed text.
How much is Paper 2 Section II worth?
All sections in Paper 2 are all equal as they are all essays. Each section is worth 20 marks, totalling to 60 marks in Paper 2 altogether.
Post by: jessica mo on May 03, 2018, 11:01:08 pm
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on May 04, 2018, 12:58:33 pm
what is the focus of module B?
Module B is what it is - Close Study of Text! It's pretty much just analysis of your prescribed.
Post by: edumax on May 07, 2018, 04:22:59 pm
AB AB or AA BB?
Post by: beatroot on May 07, 2018, 05:52:02 pm
Okay this might be a really stupid question but what's the best way to tackle structuring a mod A response. With reference to 2 texts, would it be best to structure paragraphs conceptually with 1 idea integrating both texts or by separating texts so that one paragraph doesn't have both texts?
AB AB or AA BB?
This really all depends on what you're comfortable with and what the question is. For Mod A, the best way really is to just do AA BB. Whether you're doing Distinctive Voices or Distinctively Visual, talking about your texts separately makes it easier to focus on the text's themes on their own (unless they have similar themes but really imo I believe it's best to do AA BB). Though if the question asks the similarity/differences or compare/contrast between the texts, you can approach it in the AB AB way.
This is just coming from my own perspective though! :)
Post by: jessica mo on May 11, 2018, 07:15:40 pm
thanks
Post by: jessica mo on May 11, 2018, 07:16:29 pm
thanks
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on May 11, 2018, 07:53:19 pm
Where can i summit my creative to be marked by top atar people? when i went to the creative thread i couldn't make a new post/reply.
thanks
Hey! You can post your creative here. That thread you tried to post in has been locked, so make a new thread with your creative in the board I linked you to.
Do i have to talk about discovery in module B - wilfred owen poetry?
thanks
Nope, Module B is its own thing - you only talk about Discovery in your AOS, not any of the modules.
Post by: cocopops201 on May 14, 2018, 09:54:38 pm
So I've been working on my Mod C 'Texts and Society' - Exploring Interactions: 'The Black Balloon' as my prescribed text. Though the exciting part, I'm thinking of using 'This is America' by Childish Gambino as my related texts as it totally suits the module. Although, I'm having trouble with finding similar themes that could be linked between the two. 'This is America' explores the gun violence/police brutality ingrained within American culture and how it has become normalized and marginalized within society, plus, Glover uses social media as the platform where the viewers (us being the society) are exposed to the viral dances adopted from african-american culture on the foreground whilst chaotic riots are being depicted on the screen. Ultimately, sending that cinematic message of society being distracted by social media and involuntary being ignorant to real global issues... AS you can see, I'm very passionate with my related text however I need more evidence/explanation to create a conceptual essay!
Thank you to anyone who helps this desperate year 12 student !! :)
Post by: jessica mo on May 16, 2018, 09:35:55 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 17, 2018, 07:32:18 pm
How would i improve my creative writing?
We have a whole guide on that right here ;D
Post by: cocopops201 on May 17, 2018, 08:07:07 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 17, 2018, 08:12:39 pm
Just an update, I won't be doing 'this is america' anymore, and decided to go with 'To This Day' instead. :)
Sounds like a plan! Sorry you didn't get a hand with your post above, "This is America" would have been an interesting choice, but your new one has been around a little longer so there are probably bits of analysis you can use for inspiration online ;D
Post by: Ophelia_ on May 17, 2018, 09:06:26 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on May 17, 2018, 09:55:08 pm
I have been having difficulties in finding techniques for The Lost Thing by Shaun Tan. I am currently doing Module b - distinctively visual = experience through languages and I am really struggling. Did anyone do The Lost Thing by Shaun Tan? If you did, please give me tips as to how to approach this text as in techniques :) thankyou
Hey! I've studied this text. A lot of the techniques are visual:
- Think of the use of colour, particularly the juxtaposition of bright reds and yellow with bleak greys and blacks
- There are literary techniques in the narration (Tim Minchin really suits the character), don't forget those!
- Lots of symbolism. Lots of excessive signage as a motif.
Remember the less obvious stuff too - Scoring/sound, camera angles, vector lines, mise en scene, plenty of little things to pick apart in that film ;D
Post by: Dragomistress on May 24, 2018, 11:52:45 am
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on May 24, 2018, 03:26:01 pm
How many poems should I discuss about for Wilfred Owen?
In an essay, just two should do!
Post by: joemassoud on May 27, 2018, 03:28:13 pm
If anyone can suggest anything on how to approach this question or any ideas that would be great!
DISCUSS HOW RON HOWARD EXPLORES IDEAS OF REALITY VS. DELUSION WITHIN HIS FILM
Thanks in advance!
Post by: joemassoud on June 01, 2018, 07:24:00 pm
Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can prepare for the trials?
I'm really stressing out and not to sure how I can prepare myself for 4 essay, a creative writing and short-answers.
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on June 01, 2018, 07:36:42 pm
Hey Guys,
Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can prepare for the trials?
I'm really stressing out and not to sure how I can prepare myself for 4 essay, a creative writing and short-answers.
Hey,
Practice responses are the way to go! If you’re looking into study notes to supplement your responses, there’s a great template for Discovery in the notes section. :-)
What exactly are you struggling with?
Post by: joemassoud on June 01, 2018, 07:40:34 pm
Post by: LegalEagle24/7 on June 01, 2018, 09:47:11 pm
I'm doing my hsc this year and in class we're going through mod b but I can't seem to find the rubric for it. Can someone please link me to it? Thanks.
Post by: jamonwindeyer on June 01, 2018, 10:51:59 pm
Hey :)
I'm doing my hsc this year and in class we're going through mod b but I can't seem to find the rubric for it. Can someone please link me to it? Thanks.
Hi! This is the syllabus you need, the Module B Standard rubric looks like it is across Pages 30-31 :)
Post by: joemassoud on June 03, 2018, 04:08:13 pm
I have to do a module b essay question on A Beautiful Mind. I have completed an introduction and a paragraph. If someone can provide with some direction/ideas for my next paragraph that would be great.
“A schizophrenic may feel that when he looks at you, he may believe that it’s not himself who’s looking out his own eyes. Someone, somehow is actually having his experience.” In light of the above reference, how does Ron Howard’s A Beautiful Mind choose to convey mental illness can impact a person’s relationship with people and places?
A mental illness can often cloud an individual’s mind, manipulating their sense of self and place into believing a falsified perception. Ron Howard’s biopic ‘A Beautiful Mind’ (2001) creatively explores the idea of how mental illness, in particular, schizophrenia, can affect an individual’s interactions with both people and places. Howard delves into an unconventional subject matter of mental illness that is represented in a form that is accessible and understandable. Howard’s narrative structure of the film is intentionally highly fictionalised and far from a literal telling in order to capture the significant impact mental illness can have upon an individual’s relationship with their surroundings. Ultimately, Howard’s ‘A Beautiful Mind’ successfully provides audiences with the ability to comprehend the experiences often related to schizophrenia.
It is within an ‘out-of-body’ – like experience that an individual’s association with people around them are affected upon. Howard’s ‘A Beautiful Mind’ sheds light on the momentous effects of mental illness, in particular, paranoid schizophrenia can have on an individual’s affiliation with those around them. This concept is starkly clear within the scene where John Nash, a mathematician, meets Parcher for the first time in a dull and dark setting, who is indeed his own mind’s manifested illusion. Through Howard’s application of low-key lighting, it fabricates a chiaroscuro effect and ultimately further accentuates the fact Parcher is, in fact, a figment of his imagination. Moreover, the scene where Parcher introduces himself to Nash, where he is seen wearing a coal-black suit with a black fedora, depicts superiority and apprehension related with Parcher and also introduces the idea of film-noir style. Howard’s employment of a mid-shot of Nash’s reaction provides us with an insight into Nash’s perspective and ultimately demonstrates the realness that Nash’s perceives and strengthens the idea that Parcher is real. Nonetheless, this juxtaposed with the non-diegetic sound (no-footsteps) when Parcher entered the scene, giving understanding to recognising Nash’s falsified perception. Nash’s sense of concern and confusion reality is further questioned when he says, “I thought this place was abandoned.” Hence, Nash’s progressive hallucination of Parcher greatly influences his relation with his surroundings as Nash is hypnotised by the peculiarity of Parcher’s imaginative world.
Thanks in advance!
Post by: LegalEagle24/7 on June 04, 2018, 05:46:00 pm
Hi! This is the syllabus you need, the Module B Standard rubric looks like it is across Pages 30-31 :)
Thanks so much Jamon :)
Post by: LegalEagle24/7 on June 04, 2018, 05:51:27 pm
Hey there!
I remember doing this question for my HSC :) For this question, I did two integrated paragraphs. One for before/middle of text (my prescribed and related texts) and one for end of text (my prescribed and related texts). The reason why I did it this way was because of the time limit. I didn't think I would've been able to write three/six paragraphs in 40 minutes. However, it really is up to you how you structure your paragraphs and what quotes you want to use in them. As long as there's a consistency :)
Cool :) Thanks so much!
Post by: aya9995 on June 07, 2018, 07:50:00 pm
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Post by: Ophelia_ on August 06, 2018, 12:35:30 pm
Did anyone do Neighbours by Tim Winton as a related for Mod C? If you did, is there any other catalysing nature that caused their transition into the neighbourhood besides the unexpected pregancy??
I am emotionally and physically screwed for the paper 2 tomorrow oml
Post by: fireives1967 on August 06, 2018, 07:02:39 pm
Cheers!
Post by: envisagator on August 06, 2018, 07:24:49 pm
Hey guys, for those doing Henry Lawson for Mod A, is reference to two of his stories needed or only one?Hi, so I did Henry Lawson for Mod A, you can choose to do only one of his stories and a related, but, I did 2 of his stories and a related text. Reason being the fact they can ask for 2 texts, plus, I feel doing 2 is easier, it enables you to cover more of Lawson's stories, in case they specify a desired story.
Cheers!
If you choose to do only 1, make sure you have a other sample paragraphs for the other short stories, so that when they ask you for 2 you can just slot that in there.
Hope this helps!!
Post by: headsup on August 06, 2018, 08:29:31 pm
Hey guys, just wondering if anyone has any good recommendations for a related text for Exploring Interactions - the text being Feed by M.T Anderson. Good luck with trials guys!Hey!
I am not sure what the text is but 'I am Vertical' by Sylvia Path is one that I am using for my Exploring Interactions if that helps!
All the best with the trials and HSC!!!
Post by: Jordan3650 on August 07, 2018, 06:57:36 am
am doing romulus my father Module C
Post by: headsup on August 07, 2018, 07:03:16 am
Hey just wondering if u r allowed to make up a related textWell hey!!! Welcome to ATARNotes...
am doing romulus my father Module C
Personally, I would not recommend it. In the moment of the exam when you are trying to make up a text it would be hard to come up with quotes IYKWIM.
Def would not recommend now.... Try one from class or even a short disney movie you might have watched would be better.
You can head over to this thread here https://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php?topic=177992.0
All the best with your trials!!
Post by: Jordan3650 on August 07, 2018, 07:06:34 am
Well hey!!! Welcome to ATARNotes...THANKS! :D
Personally, I would not recommend it. In the moment of the exam when you are trying to make up a text it would be hard to come up with quotes IYKWIM.
Def would not recommend now.... Try one from class or even a short disney movie you might have watched would be better.
You can head over to this thread here https://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php?topic=177992.0
All the best with your trials!!
Post by: gilliesb18 on September 05, 2018, 03:45:28 pm
Just needing help with Mod B, with quotes etc.
What does 'the quality of mercy is not strained' mean? I've been researching it and there seems to be many interpretations of it, so not sure what to make of it!
Also, what is the best way to revise for this module?
thanks:)
Post by: headsup on September 11, 2018, 09:48:45 am
Just wondering if someone would be able to help with this
Thanks heaps!! I will keep working on it. Would appreciate it will someone would be able to go over my creative below and let me know your thoughts.... (PS. Its not great... :'( )Spoiler12th March 1932 | Mannheim
Have you every heard the voice of people? The stories of people's feet? The voices of feet?
The closeness of a spanish heel to an Oxford Brogue tells a story of an evening ball. A story of wealth. A story of love.
Add to this story the voices of flaky, cracked feet conversing with black hobnail boots and you have a crime. A suspicion. Tears.
Our story is suddenly interrupted by polished wingtips. The voice is loud and rushed. It tells of a concluded meeting. Of business. A deal.
The voices whisper from all parts of the street. Every shoe, every foot has a voice. No foot tries to drown out anthers voice. No foot tries to kill another foot. The pavement accepts all the stories. Regardless of religion it hears. Regardless of heritage it hears.
I love these voices. They tell what is not spoken. What I cannot see. What there is to tell of the world.
10th May 193 | Berlin | Book Burning
The smoke hangs low in the air. The smell of burning flesh eats at the nose. Tonight the plot is different. Hobnails dominate the story tonight. They tell of power. Of authority. Yet a shuffle of fear exists. A tremor in the voice. The story becomes intense, more authors interupt. The darkness chokes the voices. Ash is caught in the throat. The words become forced, confused and disjointed.
Here and there a rustle of paper. A word. A page. An intertextual reference that has no bearing on the story being told. Yet, it tells a story of its own. A story of a wasted life, a burnt author.
The page tells of an act against the Un-German spirit. What is the Un-German spirit? Those born here. Those born in Paris. Are we not all Germans? The Poles, Turks, Greeks, Asians, Africians and the Jew?
Think about the word 'Jew' for a minute. It is a title proudly born, yet one that comes from many mouths as a curse. An insult. When a little boy wants to insult a little girl does he not call her 'girl'? It it an insult? No! It is a title borne proudly and openly. It is not something of which to be ashamed.
14th November 1940
The train screams to a halt. Yet, the screams continue. The voices of mothers, calling for there children. The voices of children, calling for their mothers.
The voices are different here. They speak of cruelty. A shuffle of fear, which once existed, now controls. Hobnail, harsh voices surround those of the crocs. The crows cow in fear. There is no-one individual noise. It is the cry of a multitude. The cry to an unseen God. A cry of pain and sorrow.
A hand rises. It claps at my breasts. It explores, feeling for a heart. A heart that pines with the voices. A heart that helps. Yet, it finds only an unsteady throb. The hand falls limp. The heart , as if missing the love of a hand cries out. It continues to cry out, until the sickness of loss forces the cry to stop. It stops. These feet speak no-more. An individual voice among the multitude stops on earth and starts in heaven. A cry to a now seen God.
Epilogue - I know and as pointed out by the marker doesn't fit however it needed to add something to explain in relation to the question :(
Sara was born in Germany during the first World War. She never saw her father. She never spoke to her father. He died in the trenches.
She never saw her mother. She never spoke to her mother. She died of the sorrow at the loss of her love, as of the sound of silence.
Sara was blind and dumb. Yet, her ears heard what is missed by all. Common ground among all people. The lack of understanding of differences. She never discriminated. She couldn't. She judged on the voices of peoples feet.
The voice of those people...
EDIT: This is my trial creative so written under exam conditions....
Post by: Dragomistress on September 11, 2018, 08:40:37 pm
How are the marks allocated for the HSC mark from the Paper 1 and Paper 2. Are they added up together or is there a different weighting?
Post by: headsup on September 11, 2018, 09:45:36 pm
Hey,
How are the marks allocated for the HSC mark from the Paper 1 and Paper 2. Are they added up together or is there a different weighting?
Hey!!! :)
Someone can correct me if I am wrong but I believe Paper 1 is 40% and Paper 2 is 60%.
All the best! 37 days til paper 1!!!!!! >:( :o
Post by: jazcstuart on September 11, 2018, 10:02:59 pm
Hey,
How are the marks allocated for the HSC mark from the Paper 1 and Paper 2. Are they added up together or is there a different weighting?
Hi, I'm not 100% sure either, but I think it's slightly more complex. Paper 1 is out of 45 (each section out of 15) and Paper 2 is out of 60 (each module out of 20). This gives you a mark out of 105, which is then scaled down to a mark out of 100. So esentially paper 2 is worth more overall because each module is worth more marks.
I think they also use the cohort's marks in Paper 1 to scale the marks Paper 2 for standard compared to advanced.
Hope this answers your question :)
Post by: Dragomistress on September 12, 2018, 06:39:09 pm
I am wondering if people get their CSSA trial question booklets back. Apparently at my school they don't.
Post by: jamonwindeyer on September 12, 2018, 07:05:59 pm
Hi again!
I am wondering if people get their CSSA trial question booklets back. Apparently at my school they don't.
I got mine back when I did mine ;D
Post by: mar.rs on October 06, 2018, 03:40:27 pm
Explain how The Life and Crimes of Harry Lavender invites us into a different world and broadens our understanding of human experience?
Composers are able to evoke a sense of intrigue to the reader through the exploration of distinctive ideas. Marele Day's novel 'The Life and Crimes of Harry Lavender'(TLACOHL, 1988) investigates an challenges the social norms of the time by adapting the genre of hard boiled crime to a contemporary setting. She denounces the existing gender roles of the late 80's and explores the impact of crime and technology on the society of Sydney through a unique twist on detective narratives.
Post by: beatroot on October 06, 2018, 09:40:48 pm
What do you you think of my intro for 2016 paper 2 mod b question?
Explain how The Life and Crimes of Harry Lavender invites us into a different world and broadens our understanding of human experience?
Composers are able to evoke a sense of intrigue to the reader through the exploration of distinctive ideas. Marele Day's novel 'The Life and Crimes of Harry Lavender'(TLACOHL, 1988) investigates an challenges the social norms of the time by adapting the genre of hard boiled crime to a contemporary setting. She denounces the existing gender roles of the late 80's and explores the impact of crime and technology on the society of Sydney through a unique twist on detective narratives.
Hey!
Composers are able to evoke a sense of intrigue to the reader through the exploration of distinctive ideas Good thesis to the question- although the part 'evoke a sense of intrigue' seems a bit different to the question and seems a bit ambigious. Perhaps replace this with a clear statement that relates to the 'broadens our understanding of human understanding' part of the question. Marele Day's novel 'The Life and Crimes of Harry Lavender'(TLACOHL, 1988) Don't have to mention year of novel- assume maker knows what the novel is and when it was written investigates and challenges the social norms of the time by adapting the genre of hard boiled crime to a contemporary setting. She denounces the existing gender roles of the late 80's and explores the impact of crime and technology on the society of Sydney through a unique twist on detective narratives. Good reasoning and explanation of what I presume will be the topic of each your paragraph. I would suggest- to take it up to the next level- how Day challenge gender roles or through what does Day explore the impact of crime and technology. Further explanation on 'unique twist' would help clarify your third argument.
Besides from my comments in bold, I would suggest adding more detail in your paragraphs- such as an elaboration of the novel (not necessarily the plot- but the themes) and as well as clarification how Day exactly brings us to a different world and how she broadens our understanding of human understanding (ie; characterisation of Claudia Valentine, dual narrative, etc.)
Hope this helps! :)
Post by: belle12345 on October 11, 2018, 10:21:30 am
Does anyone know if it is alright to use a prescribed text from Module B in English Advanced for a discovery related material in Paper 1?
I've heard that markers frown upon it, but surely you cant lose marks over it right?
Also, when we do Paper 1, does the marker know which level of English we do (Standard/ Advanced)?
Thanks.
Post by: beatroot on October 11, 2018, 11:58:20 am
Hi there,
Does anyone know if it is alright to use a prescribed text from Module B in English Advanced for a discovery related material in Paper 1?
I've heard that markers frown upon it, but surely you cant lose marks over it right?
Also, when we do Paper 1, does the marker know which level of English we do (Standard/ Advanced)?
Thanks.
Hey!
There isn't really a rule that explicitly says that you can't used a prescribed text from Advanced as your ORT in Paper 1. However, it is discouraged to do this as it seems a bit unfair that- there are plenty of sources for the prescribed text yet other students have analysed their own ORT. You can't technically lose marks for it so you can try and do this- but like mentioned previously it is a bit unfair on other student.
In regards to Paper One- marker doesn't know what level that you're doing unless they're marking the essay part of the Paper- as they can just easily tell from your prescribed text. For the short answer and creative sections, they won't have a clue. Just because you do Standard does not mean that you will perform badly and just because you do advanced does not mean you will perform well. It's about how much you can articulate your ideas onto the paper. It's also about the confidence that you write on the page as well- because doing Standard english shouldn't bring you down! I did Standard during my HSC and when I looked past the whole 'standard performs badly compared to advanced' idea (which is a myth by the way), I was more confidence in my exams! So just have that mindset and your work will pay off :)
Post by: belle12345 on October 11, 2018, 12:55:23 pm
Does anyone know someone who did in fact use a prescribed text as a related text in the HSC and still manage to get an okay mark?
Post by: kmuscat1 on October 11, 2018, 08:01:40 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 11, 2018, 08:04:02 pm
I need some tips for creative writing, I often struggle to find ideas and find my writing cliché
Welcome to the forums! Look no further than this guide!
Post by: Shazzdawg on October 13, 2018, 06:37:11 pm
Post by: beatroot on October 13, 2018, 06:43:16 pm
HELP! I was wondering if I am able to use a non prescribed speech Like "I am Malala" as a related text for one of my prescribed speeches "JFK's Inaugural Address"
Hey! Surely if your ORT isn't a prescribed text for the module you can still use it as a related text. But usually it's encouraged that the text of the related text is different to the prescribed one.
Post by: charlottemchenry on October 15, 2018, 06:02:35 pm
I’ve learnt all 6 Owen poems but say they don’t specify I need to decide which ones. My favourite analysis (ie the smartest and least repetitive sounding) are Dulce and Insensibility but I’m just worrying because everyone does these poems (and Futility). Should I be using a less common one to show the marker or is it fine.
Thanks so much
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on October 15, 2018, 07:26:24 pm
This may be a silly question but I’m stressing about it...
I’ve learnt all 6 Owen poems but say they don’t specify I need to decide which ones. My favourite analysis (ie the smartest and least repetitive sounding) are Dulce and Insensibility but I’m just worrying because everyone does these poems (and Futility). Should I be using a less common one to show the marker or is it fine.
Thanks so much
Hi!
Don’t worry about trying to do different poems :-) if you know you can do a better analysis with Dulce and Insensibility, stick with those ones instead. Besides, if you write about stuff you’re not so comfortable with it shows in your writing.
Hope this helps, best of luck for the HSC!!
Post by: headsup on October 15, 2018, 07:43:55 pm
Post by: lizzie2001 on October 15, 2018, 07:59:41 pm
Would someone mind looking at this???Omg I love this. So well written. When I first started I was like OMG shoes!! That's always the first thing I see on a person, then it took a different approach which I loved. I hate feet but this was so good :)
Post by: charlottemchenry on October 15, 2018, 08:03:49 pm
Hi!
Don’t worry about trying to do different poems :-) if you know you can do a better analysis with Dulce and Insensibility, stick with those ones instead. Besides, if you write about stuff you’re not so comfortable with it shows in your writing.
Hope this helps, best of luck for the HSC!!
thank you so much that makes me feel better!
Post by: headsup on October 15, 2018, 08:06:38 pm
Omg I love this. So well written. When I first started I was like OMG shoes!! That's always the first thing I see on a person, then it took a different approach which I loved. I hate feet but this was so good :)Firstly... Welcome to the AN community!!!
Secondly... Thanks heaps. Much appreciated. Any suggestions??
Post by: LegalEagle24/7 on October 15, 2018, 08:11:40 pm
for Mod. B: Close study of texts (Curious Incident), what are the possible entry points that can be asked?
Is it like a holistic essay for SOR?
Thanks :)
omg stressing out :'( :'(
Post by: LegalEagle24/7 on October 15, 2018, 08:29:14 pm
Would someone mind looking at this???
This is awesome! 8)
Post by: headsup on October 15, 2018, 08:31:09 pm
This is awesome! 8)Thanks!! Does it make sense of doesn't it matter.... or am i just stressed about this HSC thino? ???
Post by: LegalEagle24/7 on October 15, 2018, 08:47:50 pm
Thanks!! Does it make sense of doesn't it matter.... or am i just stressed about this HSC thino? ???
Yeah. It makes sense and your taking on an interesting view of discovery. :) I think you're just stressed. Maybe try brainstorming of how to manipulate it to different past HSC questions.
Post by: headsup on October 15, 2018, 08:49:34 pm
Thanks again...
Post by: LegalEagle24/7 on October 15, 2018, 08:51:54 pm
Thanks... will do!
Thanks again...
No problem! :)
Post by: Poet on October 15, 2018, 09:42:08 pm
You're using short sentences, very staccato. was this intentional?
Your use of hyphens could also be varied a little. In a lot of places, a comma or semi-colon would do just fine - it could even help with the rhythm of your piece, to make it smoother in some areas. For example:
Instead of "Not that I can see them – I've never been able to see them. I hear them – I listen. Intently. For me – shoes are the real voices of people." it could be "Not that I can see them – I've never been able to see them. I hear them. I listen. Intently. For me, shoes are the real voices of people."
*an hour later*
Anyway, I've created a Word document and placed comments and highlighted things I've seen in your work - I hope it helps :))
Post by: headsup on October 15, 2018, 09:48:17 pm
Post by: jamonwindeyer on November 11, 2018, 03:56:17 pm
Keen to see this thread be just as much of a collaborative resource for the new course as it was for the old :)
Post by: emmajb37 on November 21, 2018, 08:19:11 pm
Post by: angewina_naguen on November 21, 2018, 09:02:17 pm
Hey, I was just wondering because of the new syllabus, what has changed regarding related texts? My sister said that she needed about 3 related texts for her HSC exam in 2016 and now people are saying we do not need a related text at all for the HSC exam. Is this true? My teacher never gives me a straight answer to anything so really struggling with English right now, please help!
Hey, emmajb37!
Welcome to the forums ;D I'm currently looking at the new English syllabus for both Standard and Advanced to see what I can do with helping our new 2019er's out.
From what I have observed, the only real change in regards to related texts is whether or not they will actually be asked in the HSC exam itself. The specimen paper provided by NESA seems to have examples requiring only the prescribed text to be used which might be why people may be assuming that you may not need a related text at all. However, in the rubric for 'Texts and Human Experiences', it says this;
"Students study one prescribed text and a range of short texts that provide rich opportunities to further explore representations of human experiences...make increasingly informed judgements about how aspects of these texts...In addition, students select one related text and draw from personal experience to make connections between themselves, the world of the text and their wider world."
This basically should answer your question; it may not be asked at all, but it is still wise to study one in the event that they do. I know some schools' Year 12's for 2019 have assessments for the common module using a related text in isolation or in tandem with the prescribed which might be done so in preparation for this possibility. It definitely is better to be safe than sorry ;D I wouldn't recommend having three like your sister did if the likelihood of it being tested is quite slim, according to the specimen paper examples at least, but having one will be enough to guarantee that you'll be ready for any curveballs in the exam :) I hope that helps ;D If you need related text recommendations, you can chuck your prescribed below and I'll see if I can think of any off the top of my head.
Angelina ;D
Post by: emmajb37 on November 22, 2018, 06:32:39 am
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on November 22, 2018, 08:31:25 am
My prescribed text is Billy Elliot. Any related text suggestions? I have started reading Of Mice and Men but I am not really enjoying it so far.
Hi!
I studied Billy Elliot and used The Perks of Being a Wallflower (book). I don’t know how well that would work with the new syllabus though.
Hope this helps!
Post by: angewina_naguen on November 22, 2018, 11:24:44 pm
My prescribed text is Billy Elliot. Any related text suggestions? I have started reading Of Mice and Men but I am not really enjoying it so far.
I think that ‘The Perks of Being a Wallflower’ as a suggestion is a good one! I haven’t studied your prescribed but fantasticbeasts3 has seen it work as a pairing. I was going to suggest ‘August Rush’ which has similar themes but I realised that two films wouldn’t be a good demonstration of your ability to compare texts :'( You could look into Charles Dicken’s ‘Oliver Twist’ as another possibility ;D
Post by: charlottemchenry on November 22, 2018, 11:44:55 pm
My prescribed text is Billy Elliot. Any related text suggestions? I have started reading Of Mice and Men but I am not really enjoying it so far.
I did 'I am Thomas' with Billy Elliot for exploring transitions, not sure if it works for new syllabus but is great if you have limited time to analyse
Post by: beatroot on November 22, 2018, 11:54:05 pm
My prescribed text is Billy Elliot. Any related text suggestions? I have started reading Of Mice and Men but I am not really enjoying it so far.
Hello! I did Lana Wachowski's HRC Visibility Award Acceptance Speech as my ORT for Billy Elliot. My analysis is right here. Not sure if it does work with the new syllabus but it won't hurt to give the speech a quick read ;D
Post by: martinstran on November 24, 2018, 07:14:02 pm
Post by: kauac on November 26, 2018, 09:30:51 am
My school's prescribed text for the Common Module is Waste Land (the documentary). I was thinking of using the book "The Help" to explore the idea of expression of adversity through art forms, but the text is quite lengthy and I won't be able to get through the whole thing and analyse it in time for my first assessment. Any suggestions on a short related text that isn't a film?
Hi...
Welcome to the forums! :)
Poems are always a good choice for related texts, as they are short, and generally easy to analyse. They would definitely work well at displaying a variety of human experiences, as part of the module requirements, and have their own artistic features.
- Carol Ann Duffy: (themes: religion, adaptations of ancient mythology) E.g. Medusa, Prayer
- Margaret Atwood: (theme: adaptations of ancient mythology, satirising society) E.g. Siren Song, A Sad Child
Short stories are also quite easy to use as a related text. But seriously, you can literally find a short story about any topic you would like, so that it will work with the module and your prescribed text really well.
- E.g. Edgar Allen Poe's "The Tell-tale Heart" and "The Raven" have been a popular choice in the past for related texts.
- Franz Kafka: A Hunger Artist.
There is also an extensive list of suggested related texts for the old syllabus, found here, many of which could still for work well for human experiences.
Hope this provides a bit of guidance, and Happy Text Hunting! :)
Post by: angewina_naguen on November 26, 2018, 10:36:18 am
Hi...
Welcome to the forums! :)
Poems are always a good choice for related texts, as they are short, and generally easy to analyse. They would definitely work well at displaying a variety of human experiences, as part of the module requirements, and have their own artistic features.I would have suggested Robert Gray, but it was already in the prescribed.Here's some Poets I would recommend:
- Carol Ann Duffy: (themes: religion, adaptations of ancient mythology) E.g. Medusa, Prayer
- Margaret Atwood: (theme: adaptations of ancient mythology, satirising society) E.g. Siren Song, A Sad Child
Short stories are also quite easy to use as a related text. But seriously, you can literally find a short story about any topic you would like, so that it will work with the module and your prescribed text really well.
- E.g. Edgar Allen Poe's "The Tell-tale Heart" and "The Raven" have been a popular choice in the past for related texts.
- Franz Kafka: A Hunger Artist.
There is also an extensive list of suggested related texts for the old syllabus, found here, many of which could still for work well for human experiences.
Hope this provides a bit of guidance, and Happy Text Hunting! :)
Just adding to kauac’s brilliant suggestions with two less conventional texts that share similar themes to your prescribed ;D
Prince Ea’s Dear Future Generations: Sorry (Spoken Word Poetry, Multimedia)- Looks at climate change and human inactivity in aiming to combat it. This is a short, powerful spoken word poem and is accompanied with fantastic visuals that you can analyse. Spoken word is a great form to utilise and one on a similar topic to your prescribed can help you make effective links.
https://youtu.be/eRLJscAlk1M
Francesca Perry’s 'You can taste it in the air': your stories of life in polluted cities (Feature Article)- A collection of globally conducted interviews on air pollution. I read ‘The Guardian’ a lot and remember this article being really interesting. They have multiple interview responses and accounts from people living all around the world which can give you both individual and collective perspectives to discuss in your Human Experiences Module.
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/feb/16/taste-air-pollution-smog-your-stories-life-polluted-cities
Both of these explore how human crises and pollution, more specifically, inspire literary and artistic content. In being inspired by it, composers aim to provoke change in their audiences and sustain the importance of advocacy, proactivity and innovation in the human experience ;D Hope these help! :)
Post by: remytidy on November 28, 2018, 06:16:46 pm
Post by: angewina_naguen on December 01, 2018, 12:07:18 am
Hi I need help finding a related text for an upcoming essay on the human experience. We have to use 2 prescribed poems by Kenneth Slessor and a related text of our choice? Thanks
Hey, remytidy!
It would be great if you could provide some more information on what you intend to target on specifically in terms of the human experience and which poems you want to use. I just had a read through the poems (I didn't study them for my HSC so take my advice with a grain of salt) and thought of some potential related text ideas you could explore based on themes.
Related Text Suggestions
- John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men (Novella)
- Shaun Tan's No Other Country (Short Story)
- Dorota Kobiela and Hugh Welchman's Loving Vincent (Film)
- Hieronymus Bosch's The Garden of Earthly Delights (Artwork)
- Antoine de Saint Exupery's Wind, Sand and Stars (Memoir)
I also found an excellent resource for the common module here which you can access ;D https://dc.edu.au/dux-kenneth-slessor/
Hope this helps! Let me know what related text you end up choosing! 8)
Angelina ;D
Post by: GeorgiaManning on January 15, 2019, 11:34:44 pm
Hi I need help finding a related text for an upcoming essay on the human experience. We have to use 2 prescribed poems by Kenneth Slessor and an related text of our choice? Thanks
Of Mice and Men (novella) is a perfect short story. We studied it in class, and I would've used it as my related text however my school doesn't allow it because we analysed it in class. Its got similar themes to Billy Elliot (stereotypes, dreams etc). It's kind of hard to get used to the different language used by Lennie (intellectually disabled) but once you start its ok and a good read, plus there are tones of online resources for it.
Post by: Kombmail on January 24, 2019, 10:02:44 pm
Q. Through the telling and recieving of stories, we become more aware of ourselves and our shared human experiences. Explore this statement with close reference to your prescribed text. ( Plan this for 20 min and write in 40 mins - although i didn't do this according to its time, i did both under 60 min);
PLAN:
- thesis: Stories enrich our human experience in seeing the world differently
- eg.1 : eye - level close up of boots and billy's face
- Billy's approach, how willing he is to break gender stereotypes for his newly made passion
- eg.2: (music): london calling
- shares the perspective of 'crime' thru Tony
- eg.3: strength ( Billy) ( low - key lighting + dialogue):
- audience empathise with Billy and see Mrs Wilkiinson outside of her orthodox image from before in the film + depths of being able to maintain past relationships from long ago
- conclusion: Human experience shown through storytelling allow audiences/responders/ourselves to improve our lives by noticing the faults/ faults experienced by others. We establish better human experiences amongst ourselves by learning the losses and struggles featured in the stories.
EXTENDED RESPONSE:
Stories are fictional or factual accounts of individuals and events. Most fictional stories that relate to the human experience have elements of factual ideas. Stories usually account someone's past events in life. In relation to human experience, the human experinence is a shared experience we are all privileged to live through and for. It is the ultimate source and justification for all knowledge, specifically when one learns the bear truths of life and their reactions to it. Stories such as 'Billy Elliot', (2000) enrich our human experience into seeing the world differently. Stories give us insight into how past human experiences have helped us attain justification for knowledge in the present.
A brief scene which displays so is when an eye - level close up of boots and Billy's face are shown in 'Billy Elliot', (2000). An eye- level close up of Billy’s boots whilist taking off, transitions into focusing upon the ballet slippers at his feet. The camera then tilts towards billys’ face to display his facial expression. The film scene describes how Billy is joining a female stereotyped sport of ballet rather than continuing on with his boxing journey ( boxing is seen as a sport associated only to males in the movie). It shows how Billy thinks differently from the other guys of his age group and how he is the anomaly by choosing ballet over boxing. This allows responders to suggest how Billys’ approach to passion in sport goes towards the sport the least likely expected by a child of his gender and age. He may even be compared to the situation to that of boys in the present of which some indeed do practise ballet.
Another film technique which describes the link into stories to human experiences is found in the music of 'London Calling', by the clash. 'London Calling', is played during the riot Tony had organised. The song starts off with a scene depicting a crowd of people flooding the streets. It then transitions to Tony opening a house door ( high - angle shot) revealing a small child. This image highlights the life of violence associated with growing up in this society and the impact that it has on the innocent. As the loud and energetic song continues, images of the police punching an old man in the face are interspersed with images of Tony running through houses and Billy looking for his brother. An extreme long - shot from behind a large group of lined- up riot police illustrates their power and number. We are provoked to see the world differently through the journey of an individual who has commited crime (Tony). We are provoked by Daldry to not always look from the bystander side or even the victims’ side but to also see through the perspective of someone who is trying to escape from their own created troubles such as Tony in this scene. The featuring of a small baby also conveys how Daldry has used purposeful decisions by embedding the baby to outline how Tony has left the world of innocence and has progressed into the dark world of crime and guilt. This is also effectively shown by the large scale of police visible in the scene.
To recognise the awareness of ourselves, we also need to focus on the human quality of strength shown in the low - key lighting scene and dialogue in 'Billy Elliot'. The low - key lighting throws shadows around the gym, suggesting some secrecy or the unknown. In this setting Billy opens up about his mother for the first time. He shows Mrs Wilkinson a letter from his mother and she comments ‘She must have been a very special woman’, to which he matter- -of - factly replies ‘No, she was just me Mum’. This scene also illustrates Billy's innocence and vulnerability. This allows us to know more about Billy’s context with his Mum when she was alive as if it was a purposeful decision of the director’s to further highlight the tight bond Billy had to his Mother. It allows us to empathise with Billy and see his life differently as well as his bond with Mrs. Wilkinson differently after seeing her empathise with Billy too. The low - key lighting emphasises how individuals have to go into ‘the unknown’ to go back to their memories with the loved ones they have lost from before.
Therefore, human experiences through storytelling allows audiences like us to justify their knowledge of what it means to be human and the perspectives of others in knowing how and what the human experience should be defined as.
thanks!
, Komal:)
Post by: ss67 on March 06, 2019, 04:14:00 pm
Post by: angewina_naguen on March 06, 2019, 11:24:29 pm
Hey guys, I studied Pygmalion this term so I have to write an essay tomorrow as part of my assessment and we just got the question today "Analyse how language can reveal significant ideas about culture". Can someone tell me specific concepts i can use?
Hey, ss67!
I haven't studied Pygmalion but based on the question, there are a few concepts you could consider exploring ;D
- Class division and social structures.
- Manipulation and control.
- Gender roles and norms.
- Personal and collective identity.
Once you have selected which concepts best resonate with your understanding and appreciation of the text, you would then magnify language features and forms that represent these effectively. Techniques to consider include dialogue, diction, stage directions, props, costuming and tone. Here's a fantastic, concise guide to dramatic techniques which you can refer to for more ideas! Hope this helps :)
Angelina ;D
Post by: kiwii on May 20, 2019, 05:49:00 pm
Post by: stella_atarnotes on May 20, 2019, 06:06:55 pm
Hello! I was just wondering how long a creative should be in terms of word count.
Hey! With your creative stick to how much you can write within the time limit. I personally found that I could write my creative a little bit quicker than my essay so base it off how many words you usually have for an essay give or take maybe 50 words. Everyone is going to be different in terms of writing speed. The best thing to do is make sure your handwriting is legible, and when you have finished writing your creative, give it a test run under timed conditions.
Good luck!
Post by: kiwii on May 20, 2019, 06:14:32 pm
Hey! With your creative stick to how much you can write within the time limit. I personally found that I could write my creative a little bit quicker than my essay so base it off how many words you usually have for an essay give or take maybe 50 words. Everyone is going to be different in terms of writing speed. The best thing to do is make sure your handwriting is legible, and when you have finished writing your creative, give it a test run under timed conditions.ohhh okay! Thank you.
Good luck!
Post by: angelina.osis on June 07, 2019, 09:14:38 pm
Post by: InnererSchweinehund on June 08, 2019, 11:09:49 am
Hi there I am graduating in 2020, I am doing the new Preliminary English Standard course, I have found that I lack in basic writing skills such as me struggling to write a descriptive paragraph and at times not knowing the best way to structure a sentence, how do I work towards improving my writing skills to a senior student standard.
Hey!
Practice makes perfect!!
Although it might sound tedious, the more time you spend answering practice questions and handing them to your teacher for feedback or posting them on AN for feedback, the better you will get!
For improving sentence structure, make sure you understanding the different types of structures and they best times to use them.
SIMPLE: A simple sentence consists of one main (or independent) clause. These are good to use when you are making a direct point and to build tension.
Eg. She was dead.
COMPOUND: A compound sentence has at least two main (or independent) clauses, connected by coordinating conjunctions (such as and, but, or, nor, for, so, yet). These are good to use to provide more information to the main idea.
COMPLEX: A complex sentence has one main (or independent) clause and one or more dependent (or subordinate) clauses. These are good for when you are explaining and idea of action, but can easily become too long and messy (this is normally when you feel like you don't know how to structure a sentence anymore).
The best thing to do is to include a variety of different types of sentences in your writing. This helps to keep your writing clear and concise, and is also useful in building atmosphere.
For your descriptive writing, start practicing by writing about themes / ideas that you enjoy. This way it won't be so boring and therefore you will be more likely to do it! ;)
Work of trying to build atmosphere, and showing what your character is feeling / thinking, rather than stating it specifically.
Eg. She rubbed her hands together vigorously for warmth vs She felt cold
Also, as you are only in term 2 of year 11, make sure you keep up with your notes. That will give you an advantage over those who are in year 12 and struggling to churn out their notes now!
Good luck and enjoy!!
:D
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Post by: idabulloch on June 25, 2019, 10:40:15 pm
Just wondering whether you would have tips on how to memorise all the quotes i need to memorise- it is quite daunting as i have never really bothered but i want to do well this time around ;) :D
thanks in advance
Post by: owidjaja on June 25, 2019, 11:20:53 pm
Hey, so recently my english standard class had an assessment to create a piece of writing. I created quite a creative, and had positive feedback from advanced students prior to submission. It was one of my best pieces, however after submission I checked over again and realised I had 2 or 3 small grammatical errors. So entirely I'd like to know how much do small grammatical errors cost you in regards to marks, and any tips on nullifying these small errors?Hey there,
Welcome to the forums!
Small grammatical errors shouldn't impact your marks significantly. Your markers understand that you only have around 40 minutes to write your creative or essay so they're not too fussed if there are small spelling mistakes or grammatical errors. They'll start deducting marks when those mistakes are consistent throughout your writing (e.g. if you're constantly spelling "were" instead of "where"). I'll also mention that if you misspell a title (e.g. a prescribed text in your essay), the marker will have a bad impression on your essay.
Hope this helps!
hey, im currently preparing for my english hsc exam. Im very confused about common module, I have chosen 1984 by George orwell. I really dont know where to start my essay from as a final piece for hsc, bt I have fully understood text, its just I dont know where to start that will help me in my hsc and trails and if u have any tips for this module would be great. thnks alot!Hey there,
Welcome to the forums!
I'd say go back to the rubric and try and find ways you can link the text with the rubric. The marking criteria will be based on the rubric so if you can align your notes and understanding with the rubric, you're essentially ticking off a section in the marking criteria. Using some key terms from the rubric can also help you show that you know your rubric. Once you've seen how you can relate the text to the rubric, practice essays are the way to go! Put your notes and knowledge into words so you can find better ways to articulate yourself.
Hope this helps!
Hello,Hey there,
Just wondering whether you would have tips on how to memorise all the quotes i need to memorise- it is quite daunting as i have never really bothered but i want to do well this time around ;) :D
thanks in advance
Welcome to the forums!
When I first started making notes, I'd put my quotes in a table and have three columns: technique, quote, analysis. By Trials, I would've figured out which quotes I've used the most. Using the commonly used quotes, I'd organise them by themes or rubric statements so it makes it easier for me to write essays- essentially, you're creating essay plans for each module. This made it easier for me to cram because I could bring a sheet of paper and re-write my quotes over and over again. When it came to memorising a significant number of quotes (e.g. learning quotes for a handful of poems), I'd take the time to read them out loud. I'd print our my quotes and read them when I was brushing my teeth, showering or on public transport. I also created a playlist of people reading the poems and I'd play them on loop for hours so by the time the exam comes around, the quotes would be stuck in my head.
Hope this helps!
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Post by: mani.s_ on September 13, 2019, 04:57:26 pm
I'm writing an essay on Wilfred Owens Poem on the question 'How does Owen explore the horror of war through the power of poetry?'. What would be a good thesis statement I could use??? The two poems I'm talking about are 'Anthem for Doomed Youth' and Dulce Et Decorum Est'.
Post by: LoneWolf on September 24, 2019, 02:13:33 pm
In the Common Module Rubric there is a line that is "...examine how human quantities and emotions associated with, or arising from these experiences.".
Can some1 please explain/define what human qualities are, and what the markers are looking for if this is addressed?
Post by: boulos on October 02, 2019, 09:26:03 pm
Post by: angewina_naguen on October 02, 2019, 11:23:23 pm
Hello Ppl
In the Common Module Rubric there is a line that is "...examine how human quantities and emotions associated with, or arising from these experiences.".
Can some1 please explain/define what human qualities are, and what the markers are looking for if this is addressed?
Hey, DrewN20!
Did you mean the phrase on human qualities and emotions? If so, both human qualities and emotions are aspects of understanding what being human is all about. What differentiates qualities from emotions would be its broadness; I like to think of qualities as attributes you can assign to a person that describe their character. Some qualities include compassion, heroism, rebellion, independence, maturity or confidence. Emotions are more specific and describe the responses that emerge from this character. Some emotions include happiness, anxiety, disgust and envy. If you received a question in the exam on human qualities, I would identify what quality is being represented, how it contributes to an understanding of humanity and, therefore, what it educates us as audiences. Hope that helps!
Angelina ;D
Post by: angewina_naguen on October 02, 2019, 11:28:44 pm
Hey, i'm just wondering how would you structure a response when your prescribed text has multiple poems. My teacher said to primarily structure it based on 3 poems, and i've done pretty well that way. Will this approach work for the hsc? Or should I study the others?
Hey, boulos!
You've got a few options when it comes to structuring poems for an essay response. You could do it by text, as your teacher has suggested, so something like this.
Body 1- Text 1
Body 2- Text 2
Body 3- Text 3
You could also do it thematically and work with only two poems. This can enable you to do an integrated paragraph for the last body.
Theme 1- Text 1
Theme 2- Text 2
Theme 3- Text 1+2
Either structure works so definitely go with whichever you feel more confident with :D As for how many poems you should study, I would recommend firstly studying however many you intend to use (whether it be two or three) in depth and prepare content with analysis for those. I would then memorise three quotes from the other poems in the unlikely event that they'll specify one in the exam. It's much better to be overprepared than underprepared! Hope that helps ;D
Angelina ;D
Post by: LoneWolf on October 04, 2019, 02:27:40 pm
Really Appreciate your help!
Post by: Grace0702 on October 11, 2019, 11:47:14 am
I was wondering for the Module C reflection if we are asked to refer to any of our prescribed texts is it necessary to put quotes from that text in the reflection. I have heard so many different things and I have no idea what to do.
Thanks
Post by: angewina_naguen on October 12, 2019, 08:21:02 am
Hey all,
I was wondering for the Module C reflection if we are asked to refer to any of our prescribed texts is it necessary to put quotes from that text in the reflection. I have heard so many different things and I have no idea what to do.
Thanks
Hey, Grace0702!
This is a fantastic question! I think there seems to be a general confusion as to what the Module C reflection should include so I'm glad this gives me a chance to clarify and share some of my thoughts on it.
When it comes to referring to your prescribed texts for Module C, you're welcome to use either language forms and features and/or direct quotes from the texts to illustrate how your writing has been influenced by it. A short example of how I did it using the language form of setting and briefly quoting the prescribed text can be seen below;
Sample Response
The role of setting is central to my narrative on change. The significance of the Grand Isle in my Module C prescribed text ignited an interest in writing a circular narrative. The cyclical structure Chopin employs is a hallmark to her character’s experience of “awakening” over the duration of the text. The importance of setting is suggested from my opening sentence; “It was another evening in the neighbourhood but she was the dawn of Harlem.” This immediate engagement invites the reader into the character’s environment and sets the scene.
Essentially, either of them works! I would personally recommend going with whatever you think works best or what you have been taught in school just to play it safe. As long as you're not analysing the prescribed texts' quotes more than your own, you'll be set 8) Hope that helps!
Angelina ;D
Post by: timothy333333 on October 13, 2019, 05:25:10 pm
Post by: DrDusk on October 13, 2019, 05:38:26 pm
when an essay question asks 'to what extent' do we add our own opinion?I believe so yes. You need to say for example "Therefore to a large extent.." etc
Post by: angewina_naguen on October 14, 2019, 09:42:02 am
Hi Jamon or any other HSC moderator,
are you able to give me some feedback on my thesis for Module A: Language, Identity and Culture? My text is Henry Lawson and I would like to take a generic thesis into the exam that I can mould to the question. Would the below work or is it not generic enough?
"Cultural voice throughout skillfully composed texts expresses the collective identity of one's cultural perspectives. Within cultural groups are persons that shape the culture's prevailing assumptions and beliefs as a result of their individual identity"
Thanks so much!!
Hey, kiahbwright!
Welcome to the forums! The thesis you've got there works well with the module. My only recommendation is to still adapt it on the day to the question you're provided. Having a generic thesis should be a safety net, not a point of reliance. Make sure you incorporate the vocabulary in the question and gear your response to the question itself so you answer it appropriately. Love what you've got there though so hope everything goes well and good luck for the exams :)
Angelina ;D
Post by: 2019Yr12student on October 14, 2019, 09:56:43 am
Hey, kiahbwright!
Welcome to the forums! The thesis you've got there works well with the module. My only recommendation is to still adapt it on the day to the question you're provided. Having a generic thesis should be a safety net, not a point of reliance. Make sure you incorporate the vocabulary in the question and gear your response to the question itself so you answer it appropriately. Love what you've got there though so hope everything goes well and good luck for the exams :)
Angelina ;D
Thanks Angelina,
This is my thesis for the Common Module - studying the text 'I am Malala'. Is this thesis generic enough?
"In the memoir, 'I am Malala', the role of storytelling is achieved through revealing the paradoxical intentions and actions of individuals, which powerfully exposes individual and collective experiences."
Again, would be glad of your feedback! :)
Post by: boulos on October 14, 2019, 10:41:56 am
Post by: Grace0702 on October 14, 2019, 11:10:38 am
Hey again, just wondering if I were to write a speech for Mod C, would it be classified as discursive, persuasive or could it be both?
It depends how you write it. If the piece is more of a general discussion then it is a discursive. If it is more of an opinion piece then it would be considered a persuasive.
Post by: angewina_naguen on October 14, 2019, 11:18:21 am
Thanks Angelina,
This is my thesis for the Common Module - studying the text 'I am Malala'. Is this thesis generic enough?
"In the memoir, 'I am Malala', the role of storytelling is achieved through revealing the paradoxical intentions and actions of individuals, which powerfully exposes individual and collective experiences."
Again, would be glad of your feedback! :)
Hey, kiahbwright!
That thesis is also fine but once again, if the question asks about, say, human motivations or human qualities, you would need to readjust it. I would also recommend introducing the prescribed text in the next sentence to shorten it and keep the thesis conceptual :) Hope that helps!
Angelina ;D
Post by: martinstran on October 14, 2019, 02:31:21 pm
Post by: boulos on October 14, 2019, 05:01:41 pm
It depends how you write it. If the piece is more of a general discussion then it is a discursive. If it is more of an opinion piece then it would be considered a persuasive.Perfect thanks!!! Another question, that may seem stupid but when referring to our prescribed text is it single quotation, or underlining. Our teacher has told us to use single quotations, and i'm used to that. But I have been looking over past responses, and the use of underlines is clear.
Post by: angewina_naguen on October 14, 2019, 07:18:49 pm
Hey there! Apologies if this has been asked before, but for Module A (Language, Identity, and Culture), can NESA specify a certain poem to write about? I understand that its possible in Mod B (as it is a close study), but I'm unsure if that's a possibility for Mod A. If so, is it wise to prepare 'pairs' of poems, or just practice paragraphs on each individual one?
Hey, Martin!
I highly doubt NESA will specify a poem for Module A because it hasn't happened before in the past. That being said, if you would like to feel more prepared for the possibility, I would just recommend writing practice paragraphs for each individual one :) Bring in the two or three you're most confident with in the exam and have those there as a safety net in the worst case scenario.
Perfect thanks!!! Another question, that may seem stupid but when referring to our prescribed text is it single quotation, or underlining. Our teacher has told us to use single quotations, and i'm used to that. But I have been looking over past responses, and the use of underlines is clear.
Hey, boulos!
There's no such thing as a stupid question :) Either works; I used single quotations in school and underlined in the HSC. As long as the marker can clearly see what your text is, that's what matters! Hope that clarifies that concern :D
Angelina ;D
Post by: martinstran on October 14, 2019, 10:18:01 pm
Post by: angewina_naguen on October 15, 2019, 07:29:56 am
Thanks for the help Angelina! Sorry to bombard you with these last minute questions, but should I keep a related text in the back of my mind for the common module? I've heard from my teachers (and AN) that it's implied through the rubric that it isn't required in the HSC exam, but is it wise to brush up on things just in case?
Hey, martinstran!
No worries about asking questions at all :) That's what this thread here is for! The related text for Common Mod was only intended to be examined internally. I think this is due to it being something from the old syllabus that teachers weren't a huge fan of. So the short answer is no, it is very unlikely that it will be asked in the HSC!
That being said, you should have done your assessment for school using it so my recommendation would be to just briefly look over it. It might be a good way to revise the module concepts from the rubric if you have time. I would definitely still prioritise your prescribed text and short answers revision over it but if you do feel like it'll be beneficial to touch on it, do go ahead :)
Angelina ;D
Post by: timothy333333 on October 15, 2019, 09:25:20 pm
Thank you :)
Post by: angewina_naguen on October 15, 2019, 09:46:28 pm
Is there a difference between 'mise-en-scene' and 'background'?
Thank you :)
Hey, Timothy!
Background refers to all the visual elements of a composition (film or other visual text) that appear furthest away from the viewer. Mise-en-scene is different; it's more the design and arrangement of those visual elements in order to construct the "look and feel." Think of how the placement of certain objects, lighting, props, set design and choice of film stock all contribute to creating this atmosphere for the audience to immerse in. They essentially look at similar aspects of a scene but where background just describes the composition of elements in it, mise-en-scene captures the meanings that come out of deliberately choosing to situate them there. Hope that clarifies that!
Angelina ;D
Post by: timothy333333 on October 15, 2019, 10:33:35 pm
Also, from this, we would only talk about 'mise-en-scene' and not background?
Thank you for your help btw :)
Post by: alisontungmy on October 15, 2019, 10:44:10 pm
What is the biggest difference between a discursive and a creative/imaginative?
Everytime when I write a discursive I feel like I'm just writing a more descriptive, first person creative...
And for my trials I somehow get 17/20 when the question specifically asked for a creative, but I was writing something that was leaning more towards a discursive(in my opinion) :-\
Thanks a lot!
Post by: angewina_naguen on October 16, 2019, 12:13:34 am
So is 'mise-en-scene' the meaning that the 'background' creates?
Also, from this, we would only talk about 'mise-en-scene' and not background?
Thank you for your help btw :)
Hey, Timothy!
In a sense, yes :) Here's how I would use it in an analysis!
Sample Answer
Arranged in the background are vases of wilted, assorted flowers, symbolising the protagonist's failed attempts to establish her identity. Combined with the clever use of dark filters, the mise-en-scene constructed invites the audience into a physical display that reflects the character's personal and cultural tension.
In a way, background to mise-en-scene is like setting in novels; it's more about the atmosphere. I would definitely use background as a technique on its own and then have mise-en-scene as an extension that shows how background (and what's placed in it) generates mood and meaning. Hope that clarifies that a bit better :)
Hello!
What is the biggest difference between a discursive and a creative/imaginative?
Everytime when I write a discursive I feel like I'm just writing a more descriptive, first person creative...
And for my trials I somehow get 17/20 when the question specifically asked for a creative, but I was writing something that was leaning more towards a discursive(in my opinion) :-\
Thanks a lot!
Hey, Alison!
Discursive writing is achieved from exploring an idea or ideas without the direct intention of persuading a reader to have a certain view. If you're drawing from personal experiences, using anecdotes and discussing an idea that emerges from those recollections, you're more than likely writing from a discursive standpoint! I often think creative writing is more fictitious and from personal experience, creative writing conceals the idea more amongst the activities of language in the text. For creative and imaginative pieces, I would draw more focus into setting, characterisation and plot, whereas discursive pieces tend to be more driven by perspectives, ideas and voice.
In the HSC exam, I don't think they will specify a form to write in so if you're feeling unsure and are asked to reflect on your writing, just refer to it by a title or as "the text" :) Hope that helps!
Angelina ;D
Post by: eliza.rose on October 16, 2019, 04:57:18 pm
Post by: angewina_naguen on October 16, 2019, 09:51:22 pm
When answering short answer questions, what is an example of a conceptual statement? Like what do you write in your first sentence?
Hey, eliza.rose!
Your conceptual statement is essentially your answer to the question. In it, you would include your judgement on how the unseen text represents an aspect of the human experience. Use the concept in the question as a means to drive it. If we look at this sample question "Analyse how language forms and features have been used to explore human motivations," your statement would need to include how human motivations are represented in the unseen text to generate meaning. An example of a conceptual statement could be something along the lines of "Exploring the complexity of an individual's motivations enables audiences to understand their relationships to human behaviour." You would then introduce the text and how it relates to that conceptual statement. Hope that helps!
Angelina ;D
Post by: minh.tran278 on January 20, 2020, 11:49:54 am
I was wondering if anyone has any particular habits strategies that they use to actually practise english std for the new syllabus.
Currently in y12 but i seriously don't have any ideas of how to start studying for my next modules being mod a, b and c.
I'm striving for that band 6 as well even tho i know it is hard to actually get one
Pls share, I'm grateful for that
Post by: minh.tran278 on January 20, 2020, 11:50:16 am
I was wondering if anyone has any particular habits strategies that they use to actually practise english std for the new syllabus.
Currently in y12 but i seriously don't have any ideas of how to start studying for my next modules being mod a, b and c.
I'm striving for that band 6 as well even tho i know it is hard to actually get one
Pls share, I'm grateful for that
Post by: Grace0702 on January 20, 2020, 02:18:56 pm
Well first off, I think the most important thing to do in English is actually read your text!(a lot of people actually don't so please do) In my HSC I found it important to understand the context in which my text was written. So just doing some basic research to understand the cultural pushes that may have been occurring that could have possibly provoked the creation of the text you are studying. Module A (language, culture and identity) especially deals with themes of racism and politics (and many others depending on the your prescribed text) and asks you to consider the texts effect on certain social issues. Markers often look at your ability to not only analyse and draw meaning from a text, but connect this meaning to the real world and suggest what the composer may have been trying to achieve.
Like most subjects the key to success is simply practice. You need to learn how to adapt your select quotes and themes to different questions ensuring that when you are tested you are prepared. Module C is a bit different though, it asks you to apply what you have learnt about what makes a good text and compose a good text yourself. For this module I just found heaps of stimulus and past questions (even from the old syllabus) and tested my ability to write on the spot. "Lightening writing" is a great way to practice English. Giving yourself 10 minutes to write a thesis/introduction, a body paragraph, or the beginning of creative and see what amounts helps you target areas you need to improve (it definitely helped me, plus its a great way to start writing faster).
Hope this helped! :)
Post by: minh.tran278 on January 21, 2020, 09:05:39 pm
"In what way does your prescribed text offer new insight into the anomalies in human behaviour and motivations?"
Cheers
Post by: angewina_naguen on January 21, 2020, 09:58:51 pm
How should I come about structuring for my essay this question (for Billy Elliot) as I found it quite broad
"In what way does your prescribed text offer new insight into the anomalies in human behaviour and motivations?"
Cheers
Hey, minh.tran278!
Looks like you've got yourself a funky question there :o Your essay essentially needs to argue that the film has provided you with a new way of viewing and understanding what drives human actions and how those who pursue desires that may challenge the status quo are ultimately the ones who educate us the most about what makes being human so empowering. How I would recommend approaching it would be writing a thematic essay exploring a theme in each body like rejection, identity and relationships where we can see characters like Billy emerging as "anomalies" with their deviant motivations and behaviours. Three bodies should suffice for a question like this and you can use key scenes from the film to conduct your analysis. Hope that helps and let me know if you have any further questions!
Angelina ;D
Post by: minh.tran278 on January 21, 2020, 10:27:57 pm
Hey, minh.tran278!
Looks like you've got yourself a funky question there :o Your essay essentially needs to argue that the film has provided you with a new way of viewing and understanding what drives human actions and how those who pursue desires that may challenge the status quo are ultimately the ones who educate us the most about what makes being human so empowering. How I would recommend approaching it would be writing a thematic essay exploring a theme in each body like rejection, identity and relationships where we can see characters like Billy emerging as "anomalies" with their deviant motivations and behaviours. Three bodies should suffice for a question like this and you can use key scenes from the film to conduct your analysis. Hope that helps and let me know if you have any further questions!
Angelina ;D
If I was to write body paras about these themes, how would I link it back to the "giving new insights" part. A better way to phrase this is, say, if I was writing about how Billy goes against everything and pursue his passion, what would be the insight that this gives the audiences about anomalies in human behaviours and motivations?
Post by: angewina_naguen on January 22, 2020, 11:51:46 am
If I was to write body paras about these themes, how would I link it back to the "giving new insights" part. A better way to phrase this is, say, if I was writing about how Billy goes against everything and pursue his passion, what would be the insight that this gives the audiences about anomalies in human behaviours and motivations?
Hey, again!
You would always link back to the "giving new insights" part at the end of your paragraphs. This is what people call the "link" sentence in PEEL or PETAL bodies where you wrap it all up and inform the marker how the theme has provided you with a new outlook on "anomalies in human behaviours and motivations." If we use the example you proposed, Billy's rejection of the status quo can give us insight into how passion, while it may isolate an individual from what they have always known, can generate anomalous behaviours like Billy's gravitation towards ballet but how it is worth embracing. Here, you'd say that this insight encourages audiences to similarly find confidence to pursue what motivates them even if it means defying expectations. Hope that helps!
Angelina ;D
Post by: minh.tran278 on January 23, 2020, 01:11:57 pm
the problem I have is that my creative pieces are usually pretty cliche and the vocab I use is not really interesting (I'm not so good at show not tell)
Post by: minh.tran278 on January 23, 2020, 10:34:53 pm
Hey, again!
You would always link back to the "giving new insights" part at the end of your paragraphs. This is what people call the "link" sentence in PEEL or PETAL bodies where you wrap it all up and inform the marker how the theme has provided you with a new outlook on "anomalies in human behaviours and motivations." If we use the example you proposed, Billy's rejection of the status quo can give us insight into how passion, while it may isolate an individual from what they have always known, can generate anomalous behaviours like Billy's gravitation towards ballet but how it is worth embracing. Here, you'd say that this insight encourages audiences to similarly find confidence to pursue what motivates them even if it means defying expectations. Hope that helps!
Angelina ;D
Hi Angelina,
just have some questions. If I decide to write about relationships that Billy forms along the way like with Michael, and propose an idea that even though anomalous behaviours can isolate you from the majority of the surroundings, it brings new understandings regarding the benefits of being different - being able to form valuable friendships and relationships. Do you think that still answers the question or is it a lil bit off coz I feel like the question is specifically looking for a new insight INTO the anomalies in behaviours and motivations.
If not, how can I slightly modify my idea so that the relationship theme fits into the question?
Cheers
Post by: angewina_naguen on January 24, 2020, 10:46:03 am
Hi Angelina,
just have some questions. If I decide to write about relationships that Billy forms along the way like with Michael, and propose an idea that even though anomalous behaviours can isolate you from the majority of the surroundings, it brings new understandings regarding the benefits of being different - being able to form valuable friendships and relationships. Do you think that still answers the question or is it a lil bit off coz I feel like the question is specifically looking for a new insight INTO the anomalies in behaviours and motivations.
If not, how can I slightly modify my idea so that the relationship theme fits into the question?
Cheers
Hey!
I think your argument is totally fine for relationships. You can just add on in the linking sentence that this in turn provides us with an insight into how aligning ourselves with those who share our motivations and behaviours will enable us to create lasting and rewarding relationships. It doesn't stray from the question at all!
How should I practise for writing creatively since this has always been one of my weaknesses?
the problem I have is that my creative pieces are usually pretty cliche and the vocab I use is not really interesting (I'm not so good at show not tell)
There's some great advice from kauac and myself in this thread here for creative writing which you might like to consider! If you find that your stories are too cliche, try and approach them from a different angle. An example could be writing a story where everything is a dream or hallucination; this is a total no no in English. However, you could have the same story idea and take it in a different direction, perhaps having the reader question the reliability of the character and being forced to determine where the line of fact and fiction is drawn. This article does a really good job at outlining some major writing cliches and ways you can avoid them!
As for show, don't tell, I always suggest asking yourself if you could say it in a way that would imply it instead. For example, if I were to take "Susie was cold", I could show it in three other ways. Through her actions, I could say "Susie wrapped a scarf tightly around her neck like a boa constrictor." Through dialogue, I could have "Susie commented, 'It's a bit chilly outside, isn't it?'" Lastly, through setting, I could show how "The room's air was spinning from the air conditioner. Susie stood shivering underneath it." This way, I'm not saying she's cold, but I'm showing it instead through her experiences. Every time you read a sentence when you're editing the creative, see if you have "show" something instead and have the reader make the inference themselves :)
Hope that helps!
Angelina ;D
Post by: minh.tran278 on January 28, 2020, 01:49:00 pm
Post by: angewina_naguen on January 28, 2020, 02:10:11 pm
how should I mark my own essay before I submit every time? I feel like that's what I actually should do when I reread my essay after I write it but what are some of the things I should be looking for when I reread it. Now what I really do s just read through it and don't know what works and what doesn't
Hey!
The first thing I always look for when I'm going over a draft for the first time is for spelling, grammar and punctuation. These are little errors that you can correct easily with Grammarly or any other spell-checking software. Even if you might think everything is looking great, it's always good to check over your work carefully in case there's a sneaky typo that you hadn't realised you made while you were writing the essay :)
The key questions you can ask yourself from there should be as follows;
- Am I answering the essay question in my thesis? Have I used the relevant concepts and terminology to show this in my overall response?
- Does my essay have two/three distinct bodies with arguments that contribute to my thesis?
- Do I have substantial textual evidence (techniques) to support my arguments?
- Have I linked back to the question each time? How could I do this more effectively if I haven't?
- Are there any awkward words or phrases in my essay? How might I rewrite them to make the essay flow and sound better?
- Can I realistically write this under exam conditions? Is there anything else I should add and/or remove to ensure that I am putting my best work forward?
Another really good tip I could offer is to copy your essay into a Read Aloud software. Hearing your essay being read by someone else can help you better identify any areas of the essay that might need improvement and further revision. You can also make comments on your own work like "I feel like this sentence could be better worded. What do you think?" If you do all of this, it'll make the feedback process for your teacher/s much easier! Hope this helps!
Angelina ;D
Post by: LoneWolf on March 16, 2020, 04:33:46 pm
the line “I was weak at arithmetic. On such weakness you had no mercy.” from hellen garners text, 'dear mrs dunkley,
what is the effect of the technique here, i am thinking it is parrallelism; maybe synthetic parrallelism but im stuck as to the effect.
any suggestions would be welcomed, big or small.
THANKS HEAPS GUYS>
Post by: zoeeoz18 on March 17, 2020, 07:44:23 pm
I need major help on me essay, I'm not really sure how to write one well, so if anyone knows some websites that are extremely helpful;, please lemme know :)
Post by: angewina_naguen on March 18, 2020, 12:07:05 pm
Hey y'all, anyone else doing Asian Australian poets?
I need major help on me essay, I'm not really sure how to write one well, so if anyone knows some websites that are extremely helpful;, please lemme know :)
Hey, zoeeoz18!
Do you have a particular question you're working on for the assessment? That might help me give you some direction :) In the mean time, here are some great resources for Contemporary Asian-Australian Poets to have a look into ;D
Contemporary Asian Australian Poets
REVIEW: Timothy Yu Reviews Contemporary Asian-Australian Poets
http://cordite.org.au/reviews/contemporary-a-a-poets/
SPEECH: Jonathan Shaw launches 'Contemporary Asian Australian Poets' ed. Kim Cheng
Boey et al.
https://puncherandwattmann.com/launch-speeches/asian-australian-poets-launch-jonathanshaw
FLASHCARDS: Annotations: ‘Translucent Jade’ by Maureen Ten (Ten Ch’in U)
https://quizlet.com/au/437665206/annotations-translucent-jade-by-maureen-ten-ten-chin-uflash-cards/
INTERVIEW: “Home”- Miriam Wei Wei Lo
https://miriamweiweilo.com/home-poem-miriam-wei-wei-lo-nsw-hsc-syllabus
REVIEW: Heather Taylor Johnson reviews Ouyang Yu
http://cordite.org.au/reviews/heather-taylor-johnson-reviews-ouyang-yu/
REVIEW: Jaya Savige: Surface to Air
http://www.australianpoetryreview.com.au/2011/11/jaya-savige-surface-to-air/
Hope this helps!
Angelina ;D
Post by: zoeeoz18 on March 30, 2020, 12:42:11 pm
Hey, again!
You would always link back to the "giving new insights" part at the end of your paragraphs. This is what people call the "link" sentence in PEEL or PETAL bodies where you wrap it all up and inform the marker how the theme has provided you with a new outlook on "anomalies in human behaviours and motivations." If we use the example you proposed, Billy's rejection of the status quo can give us insight into how passion, while it may isolate an individual from what they have always known, can generate anomalous behaviours like Billy's gravitation towards ballet but how it is worth embracing. Here, you'd say that this insight encourages audiences to similarly find confidence to pursue what motivates them even if it means defying expectations. Hope that helps!
Angelina ;D
Thankyou so much :D, the question is,Poetry relies primarily on symbolism to create cultural tension.
To what extent do you agree with this statement? And then it says something like answer this question in reference to 3 of your prescribed texts. Which I have chosen are, Translucent Jade by Maureen Ten, New Accents by Ouyang Yu and Mother by Vuong Pham :)
Thx, Zoe :)
Post by: angewina_naguen on April 01, 2020, 03:55:36 pm
Thankyou so much :D, the question is,Poetry relies primarily on symbolism to create cultural tension.
To what extent do you agree with this statement? And then it says something like answer this question in reference to 3 of your prescribed texts. Which I have chosen are, Translucent Jade by Maureen Ten, New Accents by Ouyang Yu and Mother by Vuong Pham :)
Thx, Zoe :)
Hey, zoeeoz18!
So for this question, you will need to explore how the language feature (technique) of symbolism has been used to represent the challenges, tensions and conflicts that emerge from identity and culture. If we are to look at Translucent Jade as an example, you could look at the symbolism of the "gift" used to explore the theme of heritage which inherently has tension due to the poet living in Western society. I would find examples that either show this symbolism or use other techniques to enhance our understanding of the symbolism that lies in the gift of her name. Hope that helps and good luck with the essay!
Angelina ;D
Post by: zoeeoz18 on April 03, 2020, 04:36:14 pm
Hey, zoeeoz18!
So for this question, you will need to explore how the language feature (technique) of symbolism has been used to represent the challenges, tensions and conflicts that emerge from identity and culture. If we are to look at Translucent Jade as an example, you could look at the symbolism of the "gift" used to explore the theme of heritage which inherently has tension due to the poet living in Western society. I would find examples that either show this symbolism or use other techniques to enhance our understanding of the symbolism that lies in the gift of her name. Hope that helps and good luck with the essay!
Angelina ;D
Thankyou :)
Post by: slothologist on April 24, 2020, 04:44:56 pm
Thanks
Post by: angewina_naguen on April 24, 2020, 07:04:24 pm
Hi, i was wondering if you would be able to give me some tips on how to start formulating a multimodal as I am having trouble connecting my ideas (linking them together). How would I structure a multimodal?
Thanks
Hey, slothologist!
Great question! Think of your multimodal just as another speech except you also have to create a funky presentation to accompany it. The best place to start is to review the question you've been given by your teacher and gather all your textual evidence to use for it. Treat it pretty much like any other essay you would do. What I would then do is write up the transcript for the presentation. Once you know what you're planning to say, you'll be able to make the slides more effectively!
As for some tips for the presentation itself, think about how you want to represent your ideas within the presentation itself. Maybe you'll have the colour scheme reflecting the mood of your text, you'll have animations to illustrate the transition from one idea/theme to the next between slides etc. This is how you can differentiate your presentation from the next guy's because you're thinking like a composer yourself! Hopefully that helps but if you would like more direction, let me know what your question is!
Angelina ;D
Post by: slothologist on April 24, 2020, 07:41:49 pm
About the introduction of a multimodal, I am a little confused about the structure of the introduction: From what I have been doing is starting off with a conceptual statement, and then introducing the text (a sentence of how the text relates to the question), and then three sentences of the ideas/themes that show HOW they relate to the question and that they are going to be talked about in the following three body paragraphs.
I watched your lecture this morning and it was really fun and engaging, but I just wanted to ask about your example of an introduction for Module A, where you listed the themes (power, prejudice and ownership) but didn't explain how it relates to the question....unless I didn't read it properly.
I wasn't sure if I should list the themes, or explain them because I was told that you had to show how it relates to the question.
My question (statement) is : The Castle is more than just a comical film that serves to entertain the audiences. Discuss this statement.
Thanks :)
Post by: Kane.doran2002 on April 24, 2020, 08:32:40 pm
Explain how sound and cinematography have contributed to the representation of culture and identity in The Castle.
Cheers
Post by: angewina_naguen on April 25, 2020, 12:54:49 pm
Hi,
About the introduction of a multimodal, I am a little confused about the structure of the introduction: From what I have been doing is starting off with a conceptual statement, and then introducing the text (a sentence of how the text relates to the question), and then three sentences of the ideas/themes that show HOW they relate to the question and that they are going to be talked about in the following three body paragraphs.
I watched your lecture this morning and it was really fun and engaging, but I just wanted to ask about your example of an introduction for Module A, where you listed the themes (power, prejudice and ownership) but didn't explain how it relates to the question....unless I didn't read it properly.
I wasn't sure if I should list the themes, or explain them because I was told that you had to show how it relates to the question.
My question (statement) is : The Castle is more than just a comical film that serves to entertain the audiences. Discuss this statement.
Thanks :)
Hey again!
There's no clear cut way to do introductions; for example, some teachers tell you that you must introduce the text in the thesis, whereas I and other teachers would disagree. If your teacher has instructed you to write in a certain way, do as they've told you since they'll be the ones marking your internal assessments. That being said, I think it's redundant to explain each and every theme in the introduction since you'll be exploring them in more depth in your actual body paragraphs. Let's take another look at that sample response I showed in the lecture yesterday!
One Night the Moon Sample Response
Language provides commentary on cultural issues that are relevant to contemporary society. Composers mold and manipulate language to reveal both shared and contrasting perspectives held by individuals and collectives, shaping our understanding and perceptions on identity. Rachel Perkins’ film One Night the Moon (2001) explores two Australian groups to represent the cultural conflicts that emerge from issues surrounding power, prejudice and ownership. Through examining these concerns raised in the film, audiences gain awareness of the impact they have on identity and are encouraged to empathise with others as a result.
I've listed the themes here but I've also provided a brief indicator that those themes are related to the "cultural issues" prescribed focus in the question. I'd almost see it as a waste of words, especially under exam conditions, to individually explain each theme when you can just place them there like that and save it for the body paragraphs. This goes with a multimodal as well :) If you were to apply this to your statement, something along the lines of "Through exploring family, gender and class as significant aspects of individual and collective identity, The Castle extends beyond its comedic genre to deliver valuable insights into contemporary Australian culture." I've signposted here the themes I will be discussing but have also explained how they are all related to the question and my hypothetical thesis. Hopefully, that answers your question a little better!
Just a quick question on Essays in English. How will you address this, in particular, how do you answer an explain question using cause and effect in English, like how do you do a thesis for an explain question
Explain how sound and cinematography have contributed to the representation of culture and identity in The Castle.
Cheers
Hey, Kane.doran2002!
Great question! A thesis for an Explain question should have cause and effect within the structure of the sentence. Usually, this can be hinted from the way the question is divided itself. If we were to use the statement you've been provided, something like "Through the clever manipulation of sound and cinematography, the film medium serves as a platform for engaging representations of culture and identity to be projected before us." Here, the cause is in the way sound and cinematography has been manipulated, with the effect being that it allows for culture and identity to be represented in an immersive way. Hope that helps and let me know if you have any further questions!
Angelina ;D
Post by: slothologist on April 26, 2020, 12:28:49 pm
Hey again!
There's no clear cut way to do introductions; for example, some teachers tell you that you must introduce the text in the thesis, whereas I and other teachers would disagree. If your teacher has instructed you to write in a certain way, do as they've told you since they'll be the ones marking your internal assessments. That being said, I think it's redundant to explain each and every theme in the introduction since you'll be exploring them in more depth in your actual body paragraphs. Let's take another look at that sample response I showed in the lecture yesterday!One Night the Moon Sample ResponseLanguage provides commentary on cultural issues that are relevant to contemporary society. Composers mold and manipulate language to reveal both shared and contrasting perspectives held by individuals and collectives, shaping our understanding and perceptions on identity. Rachel Perkins’ film One Night the Moon (2001) explores two Australian groups to represent the cultural conflicts that emerge from issues surrounding power, prejudice and ownership. Through examining these concerns raised in the film, audiences gain awareness of the impact they have on identity and are encouraged to empathise with others as a result.
I've listed the themes here but I've also provided a brief indicator that those themes are related to the "cultural issues" prescribed focus in the question. I'd almost see it as a waste of words, especially under exam conditions, to individually explain each theme when you can just place them there like that and save it for the body paragraphs. This goes with a multimodal as well :) If you were to apply this to your statement, something along the lines of "Through exploring family, gender and class as significant aspects of individual and collective identity, The Castle extends beyond its comedic genre to deliver valuable insights into contemporary Australian culture." I've signposted here the themes I will be discussing but have also explained how they are all related to the question and my hypothetical thesis. Hopefully, that answers your question a little better!
Thanks for helping!
Just one more questions... How do you link the themes together? I know the themes, but i don't know how to link them together. i was thinking of doing the importance of family, justice, and egalitarian, but my paragraphs don't link up.
Thanks
Post by: angewina_naguen on April 27, 2020, 11:14:12 am
Thanks for helping!
Just one more questions... How do you link the themes together? I know the themes, but i don't know how to link them together. i was thinking of doing the importance of family, justice, and egalitarian, but my paragraphs don't link up.
Thanks
Hey, slothologist!
The link is in the thesis itself. Your thesis is the basis of your essay, your judgement and core. Your themes are what determine your arguments and, if you remember the tree analogy I gave, those arguments extend from the thesis.
Ultimately, your themes don't need to be linked to one another; I would even say it's better to avoid that in case you muddle them all into one theme. I also included this in the slides with the example I gave for Pygmalion; those themes are technically not linked or similar but they are all connected to my main judgement. Your link will always exist since your themes are being derived from the thesis so if, for example, your thesis is looking at the way language reveals significant tensions that exists within society and how it shapes one's sense of self, your references to the thesis can be integrated throughout as you address those themes in your response. Family, justice and egalitarianism can work perfectly fine as long as they are branching off from your thesis; any further linking would be excessive.
Does that answer your question any better?
Angelina ;D
Post by: LoneWolf on April 28, 2020, 09:06:12 pm
For example, could they ask me in trials specifically about anomalies or specificall about paradoxes?
Students explore how texts may give insight into the anomalies, paradoxes and inconsistencies in human behavior and motivations, inviting the responder to see the world differently, to challenge assumptions, ignite new ideas or reflect personally.
Post by: angewina_naguen on April 29, 2020, 09:42:11 am
Another question, how would i address this rubric point for Comm. Mod?
For example, could they ask me in trials specifically about anomalies or specificall about paradoxes?
Students explore how texts may give insight into the anomalies, paradoxes and inconsistencies in human behavior and motivations, inviting the responder to see the world differently, to challenge assumptions, ignite new ideas or reflect personally.
Hey, LoneWolf!
They absolutely could ask you specifically on one of those but that doesn't mean you don't refer at all to the "human behaviours and motivations" part of the statement. Think of them as derived from the idea that human behaviours and motivations are complex in nature and that they are what make our human experiences unique. If you were to get a question, for example, solely on anomalies for Billy Elliot, you could address more broadly the way individual experiences are guided by personal desires and passions, those of which may result in anomalous behaviours and motivations (those which deviate from what is standard and/or expected). You would then look at three themes which enable you to explore those behaviours and motivations and how anomalous actions and activities are able to do one of these things: invite the responder to see the world differently/to challenge assumptions/ignite new ideas/reflect personally. Hope that makes sense!
Angelina ;D
Post by: LoneWolf on April 29, 2020, 01:27:49 pm
I am studying I am malala.
Would it be to much to ask to ask you to make references/links to that to help me understand (that is if you know the text)!?
thank you
Post by: angewina_naguen on April 29, 2020, 11:19:28 pm
Thats great.
I am studying I am malala.
Would it be to much to ask to ask you to make references/links to that to help me understand (that is if you know the text)!?
thank you
Hey!
I'd apply the same logic with Malala as well. Her story is really centred around motivations; you look at her own motivations as a person seeking equality, rights and change which are all admirable qualities that we should all strive towards as we navigate through our own human experiences. If I were to look at her in relation to those rubric concepts, there are a few examples that could make strong arguments. Firstly, you could consider her an anomaly in that she deviated from expected behaviours and motivations for women in her country and chose to defy authority figures in name of her own empowerment. A paradox that you could see from this is the idea that it is in hardship and struggle that we truly rise to being the best versions of ourselves and find the rewards of life. Finally, it is because her motivations are inconsistent with the rest of her society's that she became an activist and found her own calling in advocating for women's rights and education. Hopefully this helps with grasping the concepts now that you have some more specific examples for your text!
Angelina ;D
Post by: applesaregreat12 on April 29, 2020, 11:37:02 pm
How would I approach this statement/question for module B?
"An engaging text will skilfully blend ideas, language features and form to generate a
considered response. Discuss this statement with close reference to 'The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nightime'"
I don't really understand it and am unsure of how to start my response ;;
Would I link themes and the texts features and talk about how they relate to form a considered response in the thesis?
Thank you
Post by: LoneWolf on April 30, 2020, 09:31:41 am
Hey!Whooow... thats awesome!
I'd apply the same logic with Malala as well. Her story is really centred around motivations; you look at her own motivations as a person seeking equality, rights and change which are all admirable qualities that we should all strive towards as we navigate through our own human experiences. If I were to look at her in relation to those rubric concepts, there are a few examples that could make strong arguments. Firstly, you could consider her an anomaly in that she deviated from expected behaviours and motivations for women in her country and chose to defy authority figures in name of her own empowerment. A paradox that you could see from this is the idea that it is in hardship and struggle that we truly rise to being the best versions of ourselves and find the rewards of life. Finally, it is because her motivations are inconsistent with the rest of her society's that she became an activist and found her own calling in advocating for women's rights and education. Hopefully this helps with grasping the concepts now that you have some more specific examples for your text!
thanks.
Post by: angewina_naguen on April 30, 2020, 03:00:43 pm
Hi !!
How would I approach this statement/question for module B?
"An engaging text will skilfully blend ideas, language features and form to generate a
considered response. Discuss this statement with close reference to 'The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nightime'"
I don't really understand it and am unsure of how to start my response ;;
Would I link themes and the texts features and talk about how they relate to form a considered response in the thesis?
Thank you
Hey, applesaregreat12!
Welcome to the forums ;D The question is essentially just asking you "what makes this text a great text to study?" In your essay, you'll need to evaluate the effectiveness of Haddon's marriage of language forms and features to create meaning and explore ideas that have relevance to our own time.
The word that's probably throwing you off is "considered"; admittedly, it's a pretty strange one to use. It simply means that your text demonstrates an informed engagement with the intricacies and complexities that underly its major themes. For example, if we were to examine family in "Curious Incident", you could look at how Haddon represents not only the challenges that might affect character dynamics, but also the enriching and valuable aspects that give the individuals a sense of belonging. As you can see, it's not like he's choosing to just take one side and show all that is good or bad about family. He integrates a variety of perspectives and manipulates with the features of prose fiction to illustrate the theme in a way that has "considered" its nuances.
To respond to it, I would advise having three themes and having a variety of techniques in each paragraph (rather than basing your paragraphs solely on setting, narration etc.). By selecting to analyse a diverse range of language forms and features, you'll be able to show the "blend" of techniques in his craft successfully. Hope that helps!
Angelina ;D
Post by: livbochno on July 02, 2020, 08:06:12 pm
Thanks,
Olivia
Post by: angewina_naguen on July 02, 2020, 08:10:20 pm
Hi would like to know will we be assessed on our related text for the trial exam for English Standard? And is it also being assessed on in the HSC Exam? :-[
Thanks,
Olivia
Hey Olivia!
Great question! You will not be assessed on your related text for Texts and Human Experiences for both the Trials and HSC exams. The related text was only required for your internal assessments so in preparation for your exams, make sure you have enough content to work with for a full-length essay just on your prescribed text :D
Angelina ;D
Post by: sm2001 on October 07, 2020, 04:49:50 pm
I am just confused for Module C craft of language, for standard, do they ask for a reflection or is that just for advanced?
because last years paper part B of the module c question it didnt really sound like they wanted you to reflect, they wanted you to 'explain'? or did they want us to reflect?
And also, do we always need to give reference to the texts we studied in module C? What if the question doesnt ask us to make reference to a prescribed text and just says "how has your sutdy of craft of creating helped so and so"?
Sorry i am just really confused!
Post by: angewina_naguen on October 07, 2020, 10:23:45 pm
Hi,
I am just confused for Module C craft of language, for standard, do they ask for a reflection or is that just for advanced?
because last years paper part B of the module c question it didnt really sound like they wanted you to reflect, they wanted you to 'explain'? or did they want us to reflect?
And also, do we always need to give reference to the texts we studied in module C? What if the question doesnt ask us to make reference to a prescribed text and just says "how has your sutdy of craft of creating helped so and so"?
Sorry i am just really confused!
Hey, sm2001!
Great questions! In Module C for English Standard as well as English Advanced, they could either ask you a full 20 marks on a creative/discursive/persuasive/informative response or will split it up into a creative/discursive/persuasive/informative response and a reflection (the most logical mark allocations I would imagine they would work with would be 15-5, 12-8 or 10-10). I think it is highly unlikely, not impossible but highly unlikely, that they will ask solely for a 20 mark response this year because it would just be cruel on you all to throw that sort of a spanner in the works and almost every school has prepared their students to write reflections in Module C so it would make no sense to absolutely wreck a whole cohort like that. It's important to prepare for that possibility because it can happen but I would definitely invest time in being ready for writing a reflection.
Last year's reflection question uses the directive "Explain" but in explaining your creative choices, you will inevitably be reflecting upon them anyway and providing the marker reasons for why you wrote what you did for the response. After you explain what you crafted, it makes sense that you would also evaluate and reflect upon your intentions as a writer and how effectively you think you achieved it. Regardless of what directive is being used, you will still engage as always in reflective analysis using quotes and techniques from your response to justify how your response satisfies the requirements of Part A :)
I would also advise as a habit to refer to the prescribed texts you studied in Module C in the reflection even if the question doesn't require you to make references to it. It not only allows you to give direct examples of how you're engaging with the language forms, features and styles of your prescribed texts, but it also enhances your reflection by showing the marker that you were consciously thinking about the craft of writing itself and how those texts in particular influenced your writing decisions. These references don't have to be extensive; you don't have to provide quotes from those prescribed texts or anything like that. You could frame it quickly before diving into the main bulk of your analysis like this; "The development of setting is intrinsic with effective characterisation. Bradbury's The Pedestrian demonstrates how the protagonist functions in the short story as a reflection of the conditions of the dystopic society he resides in. My creative response similarly..." This provides some context for the marker on where your creative ideas originated from and how they are both connected to and expand upon the prescribed texts from your study.
Hope this helps and clarifies your questions!
Angelina ;D
Post by: lauren.king20 on October 08, 2020, 01:58:40 pm
Post by: angewina_naguen on October 08, 2020, 03:47:40 pm
What are some themes that can be explored and analysed in 'Go Back to where you came from'? Thanks
Hey, lauren.king20!
Welcome to the forums :D There are many themes explored within the text but some of the major themes for "Go Back" that you might choose to discuss in your Texts and Human Experiences essay include prejudice/ignorance, intercultural understanding, relationships, travel (journeying, challenges and struggle can narrow this theme down further), national identity and belonging. I think all of these themes can enable you to make a greater argument about how texts aim to represent diverse voices and experiences to foster empathy, an important quality to have when navigating the human experience, within audiences. Hope that helps!
Angelina ;D
Post by: Jules.z on October 18, 2020, 03:34:50 pm
and what is 'political perspective' e.g. explain how the political perspective of identity in Lawson’s narratives establishes the motivation for affirming our own sense of cultural identity?
Post by: angewina_naguen on October 19, 2020, 10:51:33 pm
what technique would these quotes be?"Liquor, however, is stronger than Unionism"
“departed was a “Roman”, and the majority of the town were otherwise”
“the funeral procession numbered fifteen souls”
and what is 'political perspective' e.g. explain how the political perspective of identity in Lawson’s narratives establishes the motivation for affirming our own sense of cultural identity?
Hey Jules.z!
Hopefully this isn't too last minute of me to suggest but there are a few techniques you might want to use for them. Here are some of my suggestions!
- "Liquor, however, is stronger than Unionism"; this is a great example of juxtaposition since we have the alcohol being consumed at the funeral being compared to the actual people there themselves.
- “departed was a 'Roman', and the majority of the town were otherwise”; you could look at third-person narration or detached tone here since there is a sense of distance being created in this line.
- “the funeral procession numbered fifteen souls”; a slightly fancier technique which you could use is metonymy which is where a word replaces another word to add meaning to it (so in this case, fifteen "souls" being more effective than fifteen "people" or "individuals."
I would highly recommend this useful glossary of literary devices if you wanted to have some last-minute techniques up your sleeve to identify and use!
As for political perspective, you might want to look at the relationships between the everyday man and political/social authorities in society which a number of his short stories explore. You could look at how the power dynamics represented highlight the "underdog" and "Aussie battler" attitudes that are deeply ingrained in our understanding of our own sense of cultural identity and what it means to be Australian. Hope this helps and good luck for Paper 1 tomorrow :D
Angelina ;D
Post by: Jules.z on October 20, 2020, 09:56:28 pm
Post by: anonymous_bean on May 01, 2021, 05:53:59 pm
Hi this is my first time posting here.
My question is what is the difference between language features, narrative conventions and language techniques? I get confused if there is a difference and what are examples of language features. I feel they often overlap?
Post by: laurannn on June 09, 2021, 07:04:36 pm
So this is my assignment for english. I need help with things i should add and someone to edit!!! The question may be about individual and collective identity + culture.
Henry Lawsons texts The Drovers Wife and The Unions Buries Its Dead reflects on past representations of national identity. Both short stories explore the literary genre of realism that purports to represent a person or thing in a way that is accurate, true and factually synonymous to life. This was an important mode for representing the emerging Australian identity. It was different to the popular forms of British texts, and leant itself well to the harshness and isolation of the Australian environment. In doing this, it shifted away from a romanticised view of Australia and shed light upon the adversities, monotony and the nihilistic attitudes embedded in Australia's collective identity and culture.
The environment which an individual resides in coerces one to adjust to the current setting for the sole purpose of survival. As the eldest boy espies the snake he yells ‘Stop there, mother! I'll have him. Stand back! I'll have the beggar!’ The Australian vernacular creates a conversational tone by divulging the masculine role the boy is preserving in the absence of a father figure. Additionally, it postulates the Aussie battler ideology as the eldest boy confronts the adversities prevalent in the inexorable Australian environment. Moreover, the Australian outback is described as being vast and bleak as it is “nineteen miles” away from “the nearest sign of civilisation”. The alliteration emphasises the monotony and secluded state of the drover's wife and affirms to the audience the prolonged distance amidst her family and her neighbour. Therefore, it disregards the possibility of acquiring aid in instances of adversities. Thus, the environment one resides in has an immense impact on the attributes an individual inherits.
The Australian landscape is deeply embedded in Australia's culture and identity. The Australian landscape consists of “Bush all round—bush with no horizon, for the country is flat. No ranges in the distance. No undergrowth.” The utilisation of repetition emphasises the absence of familiar features which deprives her of any sensory experiences. Additionally, the waterless creek symbolises nature's ability of working against her./highlights the drovers wife's struggle against her circumstances and the environment. In doing this, it reveals the abrasive nature of the Australian outback. Furthermore, the negative imagery in “four ragged, dried-up-looking children” affirms to the audience the harsh reality of residing in the bush and the endurance of poverty and adversities. The anonymity eliminates the relevance of these children as Lawson juxtaposes them to the arid setting. Therefore, Lawson divulges the reality of the Australian culture, moving away from a romanticised view.
Australia's national identity has emerged from the implementation of British practices. As the priest sprinkled holy water onto the coffin “the drops quickly evaporated” and the hot sun meant that the guests “shoved their hats on and off uneasily". Through the practical inability of elements of the funeral to take place, Lawson symbolically suggests that British culture and its religion are incompatible with the Australian environment. The incompatibility of British religion with the Australian outback leads to the narrator's nihilistic outlook of spirituality as he believes that “not one of the fourteen possessed a soul any more than the corpse did- but that doesn’t matter”. Lawson compares a funeral possession to a dead man through a simile, suggesting that we become lifeless corpses in the Australian outback. Additionally, he denotes that spirituality becomes meaningless in the bush, where the only motivation is survival. Hence, British practices are a prominent feature of the Australian bush identity.
Australia has self-constructed its own values practices and customs which has formed its identity and culture. When the narrator is asked if he knew the name of the dead man, he responds “no; but I know he was a union man”.-miss what technique can this be? The lack of name strips the dead man of a personal identity, which is replaced with the collective identity of the union. Lawson suggests that the union, rather than religion, act as the force which binds outback culture and provides some remnant of meaning within a barren nihilistic landscape. Furthermore,
Post by: rubyw on February 23, 2022, 05:12:45 pm
I have to write an essay for Module A on Henry Lawsons short story 'The Drovers Wife' and was wondering how id answer this question - how is language used to express the complexities and subtleties of personal, social and cultural identity?
Thanks heaps!
Post by: angewina_naguen on March 06, 2022, 10:35:37 am
Hi !
I have to write an essay for Module A on Henry Lawsons short story 'The Drovers Wife' and was wondering how id answer this question - how is language used to express the complexities and subtleties of personal, social and cultural identity?
Thanks heaps!
Hey, rubyw!
I hope this isn't too late of a response! If I was to approach that question, the key words I would examine are "complexities" and "subtleties" which often means that beyond appearances, there lies hidden truths, qualities and/or features that reveal greater depth to an individual or collective group. Using 'The Drover's Wife' as an example, you might want to examine in three separate body paragraphs (since your task seems to be just focusing on this one short story) how its themes help us understand the nature of personal, social and cultural identities. For personal, you could look at the theme of resilience and how the protagonist displays strength amidst adversity and danger. For social, you might examine the role of power in the domestic household which contrasts with the setting of the bush landscape. For cultural, gender is a fantastic theme to analyse with this short story since you can explore the way the short story actively challenges stereotypes and renews our thinking about them. To successfully link this back to the question, you could discuss how language can offer readers the opportunity to investigate and learn more about the situations and circumstances of everyday people. This can help us to empathise deeper and appreciate them more :D
Hope this helps!
Angelina ;D