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Title: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: brenden on November 12, 2018, 08:56:41 pm
Hey everyone.

Next year, I'll be a teacher!

I'm going to be teaching Year 11 English, Year 11 VCAL literacy, and another class between Year 7-10, and I want to do a really good job.

It's been about six years - nearly to the day - since I finished school, and I'm over a decade past that young teenager Year 7-8 years, so my memory is starting to get hazy about what I really appreciated and what the classic "ugh" teacher things were.

Tell me, what's your advice? What should a teacher always do? Never do?

Tell me about the moments that really stick out to you - good and bad. I'd love to hear them, hopefully you can benefit my future students!
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Aaron on November 12, 2018, 09:03:52 pm
Good luck mate. It's a rough business especially for grads who are out of their depth, but over time you'll learn to adapt, think on your feet.

Don't be isolated - ask for help. They're aware you're new. Hit me up if you ever want some advice... think my jumparound in schools to date qualifies me to be a good giver of advice.

What's worked for me over the past 18 months has been the fact that i've been myself - I admit that I sometimes blur the line between teacher/friend but I don't try and speak down to students.... respect and rapport is the number one pre-requisite. If you don't have that, you'll have a hard time teaching.

Listen to your students. Ask them how they'd like to learn. Do they want powerpoints summarising key topics? How about videos? Groupwork? etc.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Lear on November 12, 2018, 09:08:04 pm
The best teachers I’ve had were stern and powerful when necessary while approachable and caring at other times. Make sure you establish your self from very start as someone that is not a pushover, but also someone that isn’t unreasonably stringent or condescending at other times. I’ve noticed this skill to be more prominent with older (and likely more experienced teachers). Often younger teachers tend to try and be overly nice and door-mattish which leads to a lack of respect for authority within the class. A balance is really key.


This is just my view :)
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Calebark on November 12, 2018, 09:10:30 pm
Oooh most exciting! The biggest plus for any sort of class are teachers that examine 'how/why' rather than 'what'. Reading from a textbook or PowerPoint for ages at a time is pretty disengaging. Getting the bare minimum from a source and then getting the rest from a class source not only keeps you awake (and more interested), but you feel like you're actually participating in learning rather than memorising, and it's a big tick in a student mindset

A student's comfort is a really big factor in how engaging they'll be in a class. The best teacher I've ever had, my old Physics teacher, set high standards for us as students. This didn't translate to high levels of discipline. He was pretty casual, and always had a sense of humour about, which I think is especially important as a young teacher to avoid an 'us vs them' attitude. Definitely enthusiastic and never once did that subtle-teacher-sigh some do when students asked basic questions. Everyone was comfortable, so the entire class would contribute to discussion -- not just a select few. And since nobody wanred to disappoint him, nobody played up in class.

I hope that made sense lel, tell me if I should reword it. Regardless, all the luck!
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Aaron on November 12, 2018, 09:11:14 pm
That was probably one of the mistakes I first made when I came out of my teaching degree into a full time position. I had a Year 10 math group that were very tough to deal with... fairly sure that made me change my overall attitude towards things haha. If anything, those tough(er) classes are the ones where you develop the most because you are forced into a position where niceness leads to poor outcomes. I was lucky I quickly fixed it up with the help of a fantastic mentor. Mentoring is so important especially in the first year.

Naturally as a younger teacher, the kids are going to relate to you more. For example, the kids at my last school found out very quickly I was a fan of Fallout and kept asking if i'd add them and play.. asked me about my PC specs etc....... it helps build rapport but establishing the line is very important. You are the adult, you are the role model. They don't know any better, you do.

In all honesty, I think my first school turned me into innocent quiet me to coordinator material me. Schools that are "rough" (and I put quotation marks around it because interpretation is varied) are often the ones you get so much out of (if you teach middle years, even better for development). I have found that experienced teachers get quite comfortable in their VCE routine... can't tell you how many times I saw experienced teachers unwilling to try new teaching strategies/even teach middle years.

Like Lear has said, as a young teacher it often is quite difficult to be taken seriously and I often have to reiterate the fact that i'm the kids' teacher, not their friend. That's not to say you can't support them emotionally etc (as all teachers should), but there is a clear distinction that has to be enforced. In essence, you are there to do the job you are paid to do, and leave. For me personally, I have felt that as a very young teacher (I started teaching at 22, I was the youngest teacher in my entire school) I often haven't been taken seriously by both students and colleagues... it doesn't feel great and really the best way to counteract that is to show your professionalism - contribute to things, help others etc. Can't remember the amount of times i've floated the idea of a leadership position.. and as a 23 year old, the looks I get like "as if". So be prepared for some judgement, but that'll pass with time.

First semester is going to be rough in terms of lesson planning etc - but I assure you that it gets easier over time. Think I was up every night till about midnight doing detailed notes in my first term (then realising that they were a waste of time because you understand teaching is so dynamic that a script will never work - adaptability is key).
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Bri MT on November 12, 2018, 09:24:47 pm
From my experiences:

Bad:
- condescension
- working straight from the textbook

Good:
- encouraging alternative interpretations
- being able to control the class
- having consistent enforcement of rules
- explaining things in different ways

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Congratulations and good luck! 
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: brenden on November 12, 2018, 09:25:57 pm
Reading every response, really loving it. Keep them coming, I don't want to reply too much, I just want to see people's first thoughts.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: PhoenixxFire on November 12, 2018, 09:27:32 pm
Sort of related to what other people have said above:
-Follow through. If you threaten to give someone detention and then they do what you told them not to do, then you have to actually follow through. Don’t threaten people with anything you’re not prepared to actually do.

-Don’t do the whole ‘because I said so’ thing. Especially with the year 11’s.

-Don’t decide how you’re going to treat them before you walk in there. It’s not going to be exactly like you expect and if you try and pretend it is, it’s not going to work.

-Re: being a young teacher and getting people to listen, a lot of the reason I didn’t listen to them was because it’s really obvious when the teacher is just doing what they think they’re supposed to be doing rather than doing something that will actually be beneficial (see above: ‘because I said so’, also be confident in what you’re saying)

Oh, also something my teachers do when people aren’t paying attention that seems to work:
-If someones not paying attention then you say their name, but don’t ask them a question, just like ‘isn’t that right [name]’. It gets people’s attention without actually singling them out and humiliating them like asking an actual question would.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: S_R_K on November 12, 2018, 09:30:35 pm
Join the union (AEU) and add your support to better and fairer working conditions. This benefits you, your colleagues, your ability to do your job the way you would like, and ultimately your students.

https://www.aeuvic.asn.au/
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: vox nihili on November 12, 2018, 09:35:12 pm
You're getting heaps of great advice here from much better placed people to give the advice, but I can't resist saying that the thing I've found most useful in my classes is setting a really clear picture of what I want the class to look like at the start of the year.

Rather than a prescriptive list of rules, I explain what I want the students to get out of the class and how we can work together to make that. It always gives me something to point to if things are going off track and helps me ground any rules. I also find that it keeps me honest too, meaning that I'll work towards that goal.

So for example, at VCESS we only have a couple of weeks of classes, so I always talk about wanting the students to leave knowing how they're going to study biology, having some skills to tackle the year and feeling more confident about bio. Then whenever I introduce what we're going to do in the class, I point to what the purpose of that activity is in the context of those goals. It also means that if we stray off course or anyone is being a pain, there's an implicit understanding in the class that that's not on.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Aaron on November 12, 2018, 09:43:33 pm
SERIOUSLY IMPORTANT - often not covered in induction programs etc:

and jesus christ, this is probably the biggest one of them all:

be very careful with your actions - rule of thumb really is to not touch a student at all. Especially as a young male teacher, you are automatically vulnerable to somebody getting the wrong idea and potentially having your reputation tarnished for no reason. This post sounds like i'm being picky and critical re: sexist attitudes, but they exist and don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

Comforting students (e.g. hug etc) - do it in public where others can see if there is a legitimate need to do this action.

Avoid visibly showing bias in the classroom - by default we have the one or two students who we like more than the rest (favourites) - there's no denying it happens and it's really human nature, but please try not to let it show in the classroom. One of the key principles is equality to all our students. This must be maintained. It's very easy to slip up and show bias - I still do it at times... kids are very observant. After like 2 weeks at my last school I still didn't know some of their names and I got asked by a year 7 why I never used their names.. LOL. Safe to say after that I spent ages learning names and rectified it pretty quickly.

Every time a student misbehaves - instead of directly going to the punishment, have a think about why this misbehaviour is occurring. Mental health concerns are at their prime in the teenage years... can't begin to count how many wellbeing issues i've seen over 18 months. Even a student getting an idea in their head that you hate them can often lead to unintended consequences.

I remember at one of my schools I had a student who thought I hated them - this led to lack of motivation in class, leaving class unnecessarily etc... I only found out this was the issue through the coordinator/wellbeing team who told me what was going on. Student didn't communicate it with me at all.. again, unintentional but .. teens. There are often back stories that explain misbehaviour - it's very very very rarely intentional. E.g. may have ADHD that you aren't aware of etc.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: vceme on November 12, 2018, 10:07:45 pm
I've had a mix of both young and older teachers.
-One of my teachers would host after-school help for that particular subject every week and the class would recognise and appreciate it. Hence, I think that's why we would all *somewhat* try because we didn't want to disappoint him. So show your students that you care about their learning!
-A huge BIG no!!! to roasting your students because like ^ said, it would make others and myself feel like we couldn't ask for help.
-Asking the class what works for them.
-Being able to understand that it's a really stressful time
-Switching up the activities (a little kahootz always gets the class going  ;)) so it doesn't become mundane
-Be cautious of calling out students to discuss their opinions because some get anxiety over this but I think you would be able to get a general idea of who does or doesn't. Had a sub teacher who thought it was beneficial to pick names but class just hated it.
I think the most important thing that everyone has said is just not being a push-over
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Aaron on November 12, 2018, 10:12:27 pm
Quote from: vceme
-Be cautious of calling out students to discuss their opinions because some get anxiety over this but I think you would be able to get a general idea of who does or doesn't. Had a sub teacher who thought it was beneficial to pick names but class just hated it.
Hmmm. I initially had this view too when I started teaching and was 100% against the idea, but over time I have realised sometimes it is necessary to do this to ensure kids are paying attention. I don't think anybody likes having to speak infront of the class but again it's about the teacher building that rapport and warm environment, where all opinions are respected. Obviously if the same people are being picked on for no good reason, then that's a completely different issue that needs to be addressed. But in a general sense that is the teacher's responsibility - to build that environment where it's OK to take risks and get answers wrong.. because that's how we learn.

I say in my classes straight away and i'm quite frank about it - any bullying, laughter at other answers etc. results in immediate removal from the class. I've experienced it and it's terrible. Having been on the receiving end of bullying and laughter multiple times during my schooling, I absolutely get the fear of sharing answers.. I do, but if you aren't faced with this, you'll never get over it. The confidence has to be built somehow to be a productive member of society - if you sit quietly and don't contribute at all, imagine how that will go in a workplace.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: PhoenixxFire on November 12, 2018, 10:15:40 pm
Also, believe in them. There's a few kids at my school who basically gave up on trying in class because the teachers just didn't expect them to be able to do anything. And they couldn't even start afresh in a new class because the teachers would talk to each other and already have preconceived notions of the kid. (there was also a lot of other issues with this class, which is why I know that one of the kids basically felt like there was no point in trying because no one cared/would want him to succeed anyway, and that all the teachers were just singling him out to pick on - which this teacher was, but that's another story haha).

So yeah, just keep giving them chances. Don't think that they're never going to change/never going to care about education, etc.
Title: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Lear on November 12, 2018, 10:22:56 pm
Some more things that come to my mind
- Extend your high achieving students by giving them tougher work to ensure they don't bored and complacent in class
- Likewise, reach out to students who may be anxious to ask for help by noting people who are quiet in class
- Have rigid yet reasonable guidelines on technology usage. For example, instead of outright banning earphone usage in class, offer compromise by outlining that they must be out when you are speaking but may be allowed when it's individual work time
- Make any 'threats' (for lack of better word) meaningful. Talking about dishing out detentions all the time dilutes the psychological impact associated with it. Follow through when you make them.
- Understand that different students learn and handle their education in different ways. This can be considered controversial, but personally I think a teacher should allow a student that wants to take responsibility for their own learning (and has shown the capacity and willingness to do so) freedom to use their class time how they wish to. Personally, this year I have been a very self directed person. I stayed weeks ahead of class and self taught myself for most of my subjects. Therefore it was extremely more beneficial for me to do whatever I wanted to do in class (same subject based, of course) rather follow the teacher's powerpoints or teachings. Most of my teachers were fine with this as I did fine in SACs but I have had teachers that outright ban such behaviour.
- Visual learning is always excellent and often more beneficial than lectures.


Having read some of the phenomenal advice posted here, i’m certain you’re going to make a great teacher if you take these on board, Brenden :D
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Aaron on November 12, 2018, 10:28:08 pm
Second what PF has said. I had a Year 9 group earlier this term and tbh I got the feeling they've been told / have got accustomed to the idea that they're just bad at maths. I remember a situation where I was absent (but still at school) and they were doing a test - came in mid-way through to see how things were going and had 3 of them sitting there doing nothing. I identified a group of boys that sat up the back and barely did anything.. I'd put in extra effort and gave them plenty of 1-on-1 encouragement because they needed it the most. Encouragement is critical - maths *in particular* is a discipline that is often quite negative in terms of thoughts/attitudes from students. "Well i'm either good at maths or i'm not"... the thing is, growth mindset says we can all get better if we work towards goals and believe we can do better. If we accept that we're crap at maths, then nothing is going to change. Same principles can be applied in any discipline. Even if they're small goals, we can all get better if the effort is applied. Nothing is fixed.

Of course, if (as a teacher), you neglect the students because your perception is that they don't want to learn.. then a) the job is not being done correctly and you should be sacked, and b) they are going to think you don't care or don't want to put in the effort needed to help them or even acknowledge them. Again, goes back to my previous post where I discuss perception and mental health. VERY important - these things are often not considered by teachers but they are very real. Everybody has a capacity to learn - it's our job as teachers to make the work relevant so that interest and engagement can be possible.

Just another thing: do not apply the same teaching principles to all of your classes. You'll find that when you teach, what works for one class will almost certainly not work for the other. It's about finding strategies etc. that works for the class you're teaching. VCE classes are much more structured in the sense that there's a study design, usually an accompanying textbook and usually a pre-defined schedule/planner that tells you what you have to do and when. For middle years (for the purpose of this post, this refers to 7-9 in particular), you have a ton more flexibility and therefore the same pedagogy does not necessarily work like it would at 11+12.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: PhoenixxFire on November 12, 2018, 10:39:01 pm
- Extend your high achieving students by giving them tougher work to ensure they don't bored and complacent in class
Also, it doesn't have to just be work. Just ask their opinion. It's not necessarily just giving them harder homework or whatever, but if someone's interested in a topic then just ask them about it even if it's not particularly relevant. My outdoor ed teacher and I had a very interesting conversation about the drought relief that's going to farmers, but not going to preventing climate change (the real issue causing the droughts). It was only sort of relevant to the content, but it was things like that that actually made the class engaging.

- Understand that different students learn and handle their education in different ways. This can be considered controversial, but personally I think a teacher should allow a student that wants to take responsibility for their own learning (and has shown the capacity and willingness to do so) freedom to use their class time how they wish to. Personally, this year I have been a very self directed person. I stayed weeks ahead of class and self taught myself for most of my subjects. Therefore it was extremely more beneficial for me to do whatever I wanted to do in class (same subject based, of course) rather follow the teacher's powerpoints or teachings. Most of my teachers were fine with this as I did fine in SACs but I have had teachers that outright ban such behaviour.
Potentially not relevant given you're teaching english, but I second this. My math teacher this year was basically just like 'keep doing what you're doing, it's obviously working' and I was basically just putting my headphones in and working through he questions during class, not listening to his explanations of things.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: EEEEEEP on November 12, 2018, 10:52:35 pm
Hey everyone.

Next year, I'll be a teacher!

Tell me about the moments that really stick out to you - good and bad. I'd love to hear them, hopefully you can benefit my future students!

Bad moments that really stick out to be:
- When teachers that allow kids to just do anything and cannot take control of the classroom (Utterly hated it and transferred out of the class)

Seriously, even though, there are disruptive kids, it doesn't mean they should take all the attention and make the class be behind by a few lessons. I know it totally isn't the teacher's fault, but I always transferred out of classes in future years if I had such classes like that.

*Obviously I know that some teachers just don't want to come off as too strict, but if it's been going on for a few lessons... seriously... escalate it*

- When teachers "just" refer to the textbook (and are not familiar with material)
I have known a few teachers through my years that just "refer to the textbook" and simply do not know their stuff. One experience sticks out, where a teacher ALWAYS had to refer to their textbook and even got their answers wrong quite a few times.

I'm not going to go on a high horse and say that I know best, but if certain teachers are getting answers wrong (and even causing students more confusion), it's pretty bad.

Now for the good  :)

Good moments that stick out:
- Teachers that cater to different levels
It feels great, when a teacher just, does not have to slow down content, to the students that struggle the most. It frustrates me most, when I am one of the "higher" achievers in the class and isn't bored in class. It feels as though the teacher understands the situation and doesn't just use a one size, fits all model.

- Teachers that have discipline from students
God, it's the best feeling when classes zip by just like that, without having, kids do the following, (distract teacher, push the teacher to their limits, make funny noises). The learning process is just so much easier.  Also, less headaches, wanting to bang my head on the table etc..
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: owidjaja on November 12, 2018, 10:58:10 pm
I've had numerous experiences with teachers, both old and young, good and "bad" (it's difficult to define a 'bad teacher' but the teacher a lot of people disliked the most was a math teacher I had last year who never had a clear direction in where she was going in terms of content and didn't even have hope for our class). Here are a few things I've observed:

- Be open to criticism from students, parents, colleagues. I knew teachers who got salty after Parent-Teacher Interviews and would rant to their class the next day
- Find a way to connect with your students and actually show that you care for the student's wellbeing. Your students should be comfortable enough to tell you if they're stressed or if they're struggling with something. My friend and I got really close to our physics teacher because not only did we talk a lot about gaming, historical events and heavy metal music, but we also ranted to him about a lot of personal issues.
- Also show some discipline. A lot of young teachers got trampled over, an example being a sub-Modern teacher I had in Term 1. It was unfortunate because he actually had the potential to be a good teacher but he was too lenient. I guess the challenge with teachers is finding the balance between discipline and nurturing.
- If there are any students that are struggling, (if possible) offer additional support like 1-on-1 sessions after school or holding tutorials/seminars for the class. Before half-yearlies and Trials, my year-coordinator shared with us a schedule on which teachers from different subjects would be staying after school. A week before HSC exams started, my school was holding seminars. Out of all of these seminars, I've never seen a teacher from the science department offer additional help since the Science Coordinator didn't want any of the science teachers to hold seminars, which isn't the greatest confidence booster for the class because it kinda feels like the teacher doesn't really care. (Note: I don't think it would be realistic to do this every single term, but it would be great to show some additional support to students).
- Be genuine with your students (I think this sounds a bit vague so let me elaborate). As a teacher, I would assume that you enjoy helping other students grow. Show that you're passionate about teaching. I had to deal with a lot of teachers who showed that they didn't care about their students. It was also obvious that if a student did well in their exams (whether they got a Band 6 or a good ATAR overall), they were like "without ME the student couldn't have gotten a Band 6/90+ ATAR" and then they use that to brag. A lot of teachers also like to brag how many students got a Band 6 in each cohort, which to me kinda shows that they don't really see us as students but more like CV boosters.

Good luck with your teaching career :)
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: spectroscopy on November 12, 2018, 11:06:07 pm
This may not be applicable and especially depends where you teach, but teaching your kids in the way they learn best is a huge one for me.

Me personally I get 0 benefit from hearing people talk, I need to read information. For most of my schooling though the teachers felt the need to keep everyone in the fkn room and just talk talk talk for ages which gave me the shits and I used to get distracted cos I just didnt take anything in and I would start talking/playing games.

However when I moved schools my school was an extreme example of freedom (probably an outlier school being a select entry where there were minimal behaviour concerns). I used to stay in class for the first 5 minutes where the teacher would update us on upcoming tests/homework/what we have to learn and then before they got cracking on the main 'teaching' component of the class myself and a few others would go study in an open space/breakout area and just read the material and progress through it. After the teacher was done 'teaching' the main class they would usually walk around and check up on the kids who had scattered outside the class and help with any questions then go back to the main class again and it worked REALLY well for me.

The subject I did shittest in (methods) was the one class where the teacher forced me to sit there and not leave all class, and all my 40+ classes I literally spent less than 10 minutes per class in the room for the entire period/double period and did my own thing. I dont know how applicable/achievable this will be for you but always try to remember that everyone learns differently. Some people like to read, some like to listen, some people like to DO things to learn, etc.

In essence, I think having your class as flexible as possible whilst maintaining control, and providing additional attention to people who need it as needed is the best way to approach it. Not sure how do able it is


Another one that would be great is to try and be a mentor to some kids. You obviously have limited time, but there will always be kids who have great potential but have no one to push them/work hard for/talk to about things. this is your greatest chance to make a change in someones life. I was getting pretty bad grades in high school and especially after I got hit with a huge medical thing right before VCE which carried on through year 11/12, and I really had sort of given up until eventually one of my teachers who I got along with put a lot into me.

It doesnt even have to be a lot of time necessarily  but just emotional investment and trying to push kids to do the right thing and caring about their outcomes can make a huge difference. Some people will not appreciate it, but I can honestly say there were so many times I really couldn't be bothered studying and then I thought about how disappointed this teacher would be in me if I did shit on the upcoming sac and I would spend that whole weekend studying extra hard and go from what wouldve been like 70% to a score in the high 90's. Also other things like issues at home/medical stuff I knew if I was just upfront about things with her I could make sure I had support needed to still do well (I was lucky as this teacher taught me for 2/5 subjects in VCE) and its basically the reason why I got into commerce
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Snickitty on November 13, 2018, 12:00:47 am
Haven't read the other messages so sorry if this advice is repeated (highly doubt it though :'( )

Please pay attention to your quieter students, I know if you are teaching a large cohort its hard to pay attention to each individual, but this is something I struggled with personally and unfortunately, I believe it really has affected my overall academic performance throughout my entire schooling. I only really felt motivated towards the end of the year when I moved to a small town school for my last year - however, by then it was far too late. The reason I am such an avid user of ATAR notes is because I never felt comfortable to raise my hand and ask questions, I relied on myself and never sought advice from others. I know that to many people it will make no sense, but for me this was something that I was incapable of, due to my social anxiety. I was the type of student who would do the work but not understand it, (Watch out for these types, it is probable that we would enjoy school, if only we could understand. Help us to enjoy the subject, ensure their understanding of something before moving on, whether that be through tests or whatever) like biology for instance, I wrote notes in class but never fully understood how it all worked together in the grander scheme of things. Understanding this ultimately helped me finally understand the key concepts and terminology. Being a teacher of year 11 students is super important, as this is like their practice of what's to come in year 12. So I feel that it would be important to help your students become more receptive to the idea of learning and getting a study routine, ready for year 12. This is something that many students struggle with and I might be generalising by saying that people find school amazing when you can participate and get answers right. Unmotivated teachers were a consequence of my smaller school and I actually found myself really missing the teacher that demanded work from us every week, I'm not saying you have to be as harsh as this guy but please care about the learning of your students. I remember my year 11 English teacher saying that he wouldn't mark my essay because he had things to do as well. When you become a teacher you should prioritise your students to a degree, It doesn't have to be extensive and I understand that teachers can be extremely busy too, but those teachers who do offer their time are memorable and highly appreciated. And on a final note, be wary of over usage of kahoot. I think I was the only one who didn't enjoy that game at my school. It made me feel stupid when the teacher would call upon the one person who got the answer wrong. Please don't be that teacher.

Sorry for the large chunk of writing, and of course, this is simply my opinion and experience with school and teachers so you may choose to listen to some of my advice or none at all. Good luck with your teaching next year! :)
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: brenden on November 13, 2018, 08:20:51 pm
Loving these insights, fam - give me more, more, more!!!!!!!
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Poet on November 13, 2018, 08:40:08 pm
Loving these insights, fam - give me more, more, more!!!!!!!
YOU HAVE SUMMONED ME?!!?!
jk
Umm well hello, I am probably just going to repeat a bunch of stuff other people have said (because tl;dr) but hopefully this is still somewhat helpful!

- Establish your dominance straight away. They’ll test you. I know because I’ve done it! You’ve probably done it, too :D First impressions are ridiculously important when you’re a new teacher, because word spreads quickly and eventually gets back to other teachers and your boss. Try and learn the student’s names and see if you can remember them off the bat – just be sure not to be fooled if some try to switch names…

- Don’t use dad jokes. Please. (Unless you want to be that one teacher)
^Your choice; Phoenixx you changed my mind >:-(

- Act professionally, but also like you really care. Pay attention to every student and treat them like people, especially in the older year levels. I’ve always hated being talked down to by teachers, and it’s pretty awful to feel like you’re doing something wrong to not gain a teacher’s respect.

- Be conscious of student’s backgrounds. Try not to listen if other teachers are gossiping about particular students; one of the most important things is to give every one of them a fresh slate in a fresh class. Some kids misbehave because they don’t feel like anyone cares if they do well or not. Make them believe in themselves, and take the time to properly listen to what they have to say.

- Seek out preferred methods of learning. Everyone has their own individual style, but there’s typically a style of teaching (group work, textbook, dynamic, individual, etc.) that the majority of the class really gets.

- Let them into your life a bit. Not all the way, just enough to show them you're human. The more your students realise that, the more they’ll come to you and be confident in their own abilities to learn from you. I think a lot of the time students subconsciously see their teachers as a different species. Not like them. Not capable of much emotion. They live at the school. You know. It’d be a good idea to bond with some of the boys over cricket or footy, or get to know some of the girls and their own interests. Remember and ask them about things you heard. And just genuinely care.

I’m sure they’ll love you as much as we do, Brendo. Good luck!!
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: lacitam on November 13, 2018, 08:41:06 pm
prepare your lessons beforehand, otherwise you'd look stupid and hesitate every 4 seconds
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Aaron on November 13, 2018, 08:48:44 pm
prepare your lessons beforehand, otherwise you'd look stupid and hesitate every 4 seconds

Don't agree with this - some of the best lessons i've taught are ones that I haven't prepped for much. Teaching is a very dynamic occupation (I would even class teaching as a vocation, really) - the best lesson plans often have to be significantly modified part-way through. Thinking on your feet is a core requirement of teaching - the teachers who can't do that are the ones that 'hesitate'.

If you manage to stick to a lesson plan in its entirety, you're doing something wrong.

I remember when I started teaching for the first time - I spent night after night doing detailed notes and preparing the sequence of every lesson (e.g. part 1 (20 mins) would be this, part 2 (30 mins) would be that... etc), and really I only ended up getting through the first part. Everybody learns differently and at different paces... so again, if you're sticking to your script.. something is going wrong.

Now that i've had nearly 18 months to figure out what the heck i'm doing, I do some general prep but I think you just need to accept that teaching is about adapting to the situation and going from the previous starting point. Nothing about teaching is fixed.

I think 'hesitation' is also human - especially for a graduate, this is to be expected. You're not going to be the most confident teacher out there. At times, you may feel like you're absolutely shit as a teacher because there are those with 10+ years of experience who can just let the class flow and do things naturally with minimal effort. I know i've certainly been in this situation before (and still do at times tbh) - and teaching is a fantastic profession to make mistakes and learn from them. A good school will have a fantastic induction and mentoring program... it is a requirement of all new teachers to work with a mentor to develop an inquiry project to move from provisional to full registration. I can't begin to tell you the amount of little mistakes I made, but I was fortunate to have a fantastic mentor in my first position. I can still recall the first phone call to a parent I made, regarding performance.... the 'firsts' are terrifying.

If you're a newly minted teacher and you aren't being supported or given opportunities to make mistakes and learn from them, you aren't at the right school and should find somewhere where you'll be supported.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: PhoenixxFire on November 13, 2018, 08:52:07 pm
Quote from: poet
- Don’t use dad jokes. Please. (Unless you want to be that one teacher)
This just made me realise that pretty much all of the teachers I like use dad jokes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: lacitam on November 13, 2018, 09:00:17 pm
Don't agree with this - some of the best lessons i've taught are ones that I haven't prepped for much. Teaching is a very dynamic occupation (I would even class teaching as a vocation, really) - the best lesson plans often have to be significantly modified part-way through. Thinking on your feet is a core requirement of teaching - the teachers who can't do that are the ones that 'hesitate'.

If you manage to stick to a lesson plan in its entirety, you're doing something wrong.
Hm, must have been experience for me then.
Majority of my teachers weren't the best because they just didn't prepare enough - I mean they 100% know what they're doing but just don't know how to convey it in a way where everyone understands.
The teachers you are talking about are ones that have experience teaching (therefore more likely to be better at off the cuff talks), it's quite rare to see a new teacher without any huge experience being good at this (though I don't have insight on whether this gentleman has had teaching experience)
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: sweetiepi on November 13, 2018, 09:02:47 pm
Caleb basically stole what I was going to say, but whatever you do, please don't do what one of my old maths teachers did and read textbooks copied onto word. That year in maths was a huge snorefest. :')

(This is exciting though! Good luck! :) )

This just made me realise that pretty much all of the teachers I like use dad jokes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
+1 for dad jokes. I personally love them, but it depends on the person. :)
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Aaron on November 13, 2018, 09:08:51 pm
Quote from: insanipi
Caleb basically stole what I was going to say, but whatever you do, please don't do what one of my old maths teachers did and read textbooks copied onto word. That year in maths was a huge snorefest. :')
Stuff like this makes me very angry. This is not teaching.... and quite often than not these are VCE teachers who have gotten very comfortable in their own ways (usually old-er teachers who have been doing the same thing year in year out). This year I taught VCE Maths for the first time and textbook should really be the bare minimum. I created CAS guides and notes for my students in addition to worked examples, worksheets etc. so like, there is so much you as a teacher can do to embed creativity, just because there's a study design and it's senior, doesn't mean you still can't change things up.

Obviously if you pay for the textbook, you'd ideally be using it - but there are ways around it (even a translation from robotic textbook language to student-friendly language)... again, it's unacceptable but it's happening a lot more than it should.

You know, i'll be the first person to sook about the lack of job security and contracts.. but at least for me the idea of contract renewal puts a rocket up my ass every so often and reminds me that my job isn't locked in regardless of how good or crap I am. Motivates me to take risks, be bold, etc... whereas those on permanent positions more often than not are untouchable unless a thorough review process has been undertaken and there have been no visible signs of improvement.

i just realised this is probably the most active i've been in a thread on AN apart from mod boards and game threads... just shows you how much I love this profession.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Bri MT on November 13, 2018, 09:31:33 pm
Stuff like this makes me very angry. This is not teaching.... and quite often than not these are VCE teachers who have gotten very comfortable in their own ways (usually old-er teachers who have been doing the same thing year in year out). This year I taught VCE Maths for the first time and textbook should really be the bare minimum. I created CAS guides and notes for my students in addition to worked examples, worksheets etc. so like, there is so much you as a teacher can do to embed creativity, just because there's a study design and it's senior, doesn't mean you still can't change things up.



On this note, my 3/4 methods teacher didn't teach a single lesson from the textbook and was absolutely fantastic. We would get assigned problem from the textbook to work through but in class would be all about understanding the concepts and applying them to VCAA questions.

In my experience, the quickest ways to get students to not respect you were:
- only working from the textbook  ( teacher would just do sample problem from textbook on board then tell students to finsih chapter each lesson)
- even worse: having absolutely & blatantly no idea what you were doing and providing next to no guidance (telling us to just read the news and write down the title, date and author almost every lesson is not a valuable use of our time...  nor was that holiday planning "assignment"... misspelling simple words and telling us objectively incorrect information doesn't help either)
- repeatedly not keeping your word

Things that I appreciated from my English teachers (yr 7-10):
- When a student is doing well, giving them ways to improve even if they're already above the required level for that year
- Detailed debunking of common writing myths
- explaining an interpretation of the text rather than just "this is how the theme of ____ connects and what the author was trying to say"
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Lear on November 13, 2018, 09:40:40 pm

This year I taught VCE Maths for the first time and textbook should really be the bare minimum. I created CAS guides and notes for my students in addition to worked examples, worksheets etc. so like, there is so much you as a teacher can do to embed creativity

This. This is fantastic. Keep doing this :)
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: S200 on November 13, 2018, 11:36:47 pm
Most has already been said, but throwing it here anyway...

My favourite teachers have been a massive mix.
In the middle years (9), it was Maths. My math teacher was a younger dude, absolute wizard at the subject. As I was in the higher echelon's for that year, I had a lot of contact with him, and he spent a lot of time on me and the other higher students. In doing this, he made sure not to neglect the lower students, (except one, who was different) and our whole class scored their highest scores in that years math (mean of 89%)
Digression
He had the best way of explaining stuff...
For linear equations like \(y=3x+5\)...
Quote
So, a hostage is in a bunker. The 5 is the number of guards outside. You need to take them out first with a \(-\)...
Then, you get into the bunker and get rid of the 3 in there with a bit of division...
Tl;dr... Be unique and creative as much as possible, and try to get everyone in the class involved...

Through VCE it was Physics and English.
Physics - The teach was older, and had really high expectations, but had the lowest discipline ever.
Every class had a pun attached, relevant to the unit we were learning... #SchrodingerCatMeme
Everything was so chilled that we felt compelled to do well to pay her back... :D
Tl:dr... Again, unique. The dad joke thing... (unless that isn't you :-\ )

English - The ultimate teacher. Approachable when you needed it, basically a mother to the class, but absolutely rigid discipline if we stuffed up.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: geek123456 on November 14, 2018, 06:32:49 pm
There are two teachers that till this day I look upto..One my Chemistry teacher in year eight(yes you do chemistry as a subject overseas in year eight  8) ) and another my Physics teacher in year ten...
Both had the following similar characteristics:

1.Highly passionate about their subjects...like you could feel the chemistry and physicsy vibes radiating from them and the sparkle in their eyes when they started the lesson
2.They answer your questions despite MOST of them being out of scope and irrelevant to what you are studying
3.Highly engaging lessons, with minimum textbook use...for example our chemistry teacher used flashcards for concept revision and used them as an exit pass at the end of every lesson...
4.Believe it or not KAHOOT actually helps learning...before our physics sac we used to have kahoot revisions which were soo fun that the entire class studied one week in advance just to make it to the leaderboard ;D
5.Easily approachable and willing to spend time outside of class...maybe this is a bit too much but our chemistry teacher recorded a video of her teaching an interactive lesson EVERY SINGLE time she was away...our crts used to play them for us just so we could keep up to date with our lessons
6.Linking concepts to scenarios in real life instead of encouraging route learned definitions...

Hope this helps  :) Best of luck!
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: jazcstuart on November 14, 2018, 10:38:06 pm
I have seen a lot of comments about maintaining discipline but also being approachable and encouraging, which I absolutely agree with. I just wanted to tell you about my young geography teacher, which may help you achieve this.

She only started teaching us at the beginning of year 12 (mostly we have the same teacher for year 11 and 12) taking over from our teacher who went on maternity leave. My whole class remembers the first time she walked into the class and immediately started not quite yelling at people, but being extremely stern, and laid out her strict expectations. I'll admit that we all hated her for those first few lessons.

But after that she gradually started telling us things about her own life and encouraging the people who were struggling more, and we all started to relax around her. She mixed up our lessons so we might watch a documentary, then discuss a topic, then she would let us use earphones while doing a worksheet. By the end of the term we all respected her so much, and not only that but my class was the most tight knit of any of my hsc classes. She was really supportive, and none of us wanted to let her down. There was one boy who in another one of my classes was unmotivated and didn't complete most of the work, but in this class he at least completed most of his homework and stayed back after school one time to talk about a worksheet he was struggling with. i think one of the things that made this happen was that she would be proud of any achievements no matter how small, like "hey at least you completed these few questions, next time lets aim for the whole thing".

I think she nailed it in that she immediately showed that we couldn't muck up around her, but then built up a huge respect with our whole class. She was one of my all time favourite teachers, even though I hated her for those first few lessons.

Hope this is helpful, good luck! Even just from the fact that you asked us for advice, I think you will be an amazing teacher!
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: GuZz on November 18, 2018, 08:48:31 pm
From personal experience, the 'best' teachers are not always the smartest or the most experienced...

'Good' teachers are those that are passionate about the subject and have clearly invested their time and thinking into planning lessons and engaging students, but most importantly, have developed a passion for the students themselves.

If you are friendly, approachable and connect with students on a personal level, they are likely (or at least in my case) to become more passionate about the subject, increasing motivation and subsequent performance.

Ultimately, your results in high school are not the be all and end all, a lot of what you learn is about yourself, your passions and the relationships you develop with others, if you create an environment that is developing students as people, as opposed to a number, I am sure you will be successful.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: TheBigC on November 18, 2018, 09:07:03 pm
Personally, I believe that you have already had a fantastic start in requesting aid from current or recent students (demonstrates a real passion to be the best you can be). In my own experiences, the upmost frustrating and deleterious thing a teacher can do is become autocratic, condescending and predicate their evidence in appeal to authority. This has happened to me countless times and is such a painful experience. When a student asks for help and you are unsure, tell them you do not know and then (if possible) work up together from first principles and then come back to the student with a solid answer, never suggest that you know something when you do not. Also, if a student requests material from outside of the course (i.e. asks a deep question), attempt to answer the question without brushing off the student, if this is not possible, provide extension material. My favourite teachers always went above and beyond.

Good luck.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: jazcstuart on November 26, 2018, 06:02:03 pm
(There was a link to this in the AN newsletter, hence this late post  :) )

Apart from my previous post, I was thinking specifically for english. One thing I definitely preferred was discussing texts and concepts rather than being lectured by the teacher or just writing notes. I think it is also important to be able to practice writing essays in class and recieve feedback as we go, which seems like a given, but not all the teachers I've had have actually allowed enough time for this.

I had different teachers for year 11 and 12, with fairly different teaching styles, and I liked and disliked aspects of each. With my year 11 teacher we did have some class discussions (about the text as a whole, as well as specific quotes/scenes) which I thought was helpful, however often it was just the top english kids doing all the talking. I don't know how to avoid this, because it is really hard to force people to participate in english because it is so conceptual and subjective, but sometimes hearing the sophisticated ideas of other people made me doubt my own ideas. One thing I didn't like about this teacher was that she didn't leave time for practicing essays until quite late in the unit, then suddenly expected top notch essay, which made me nervous about showing her my work.

My year 12 teacher gave us plenty of time to practice writing and gave us time to gradually develop our ideas, which I liked as someone who can't write a great essay first go. However we often had to copy notes on our text, which meant a lot of stuff didn't stick with me at all.

I think english is hard because everyone learns so differently and has different understandings, but these are some things that did and didn't work for me. Good luck, hope this helps.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: blasonduo on November 27, 2018, 08:55:19 pm
Everything has basically been said here :)

I just wanted to pop in to ask if you'd be making a journal when this happens? Even if it were 1 every 6 months, it would be so valuable and inspiring for me to read.

No biggie if not, just thought that asking would be nice
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: brenden on January 12, 2019, 09:59:47 pm
Been reading through this thread again... I start school in less than three weeks!

Would love more feedback from anyone out there with some insights!!
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: beatroot on January 13, 2019, 12:34:25 pm
Been reading through this thread again... I start school in less than three weeks!

Would love more feedback from anyone out there with some insights!!

Nearly forgot to post in this thread but I'll post now!

Out of my 13 years of primary and secondary education, I would have to say that my Visual Arts teachers from Years 8/9 to 12 were the best ones I've had and here's why. I'll specifically talk about one teacher- I'll call her Susan in this thread. To add context, I've had Susan for Year 8 to 12 (my other teacher I had from Year 9 to 12) and she's the only teacher at my school I've had every year. Not even my homeroom teacher was consistent.

Susan wasn't just a teacher- she was a mentor, a friend and a leader. Not exactly a mother but more like an aunt- you guys aren't 100% related but she put in so much effort that she felt like she was your mother. She always had our backs in Visual Arts and even in our personal lives.

What made Susan stand out from the rest of my teachers- was her innate passion for art. It is so damn important for a teacher to be passionate about their subject/s because that will certainly brush onto the students and they will be more motivated to work harder and try their best. Susan just knew every bit and piece of her art knowledge. Even when she had presentations in class- most teachers would have a huge chunk of text on the screen. Susan didn't- she just had a picture of the artwork on screen and the information would just come out of her mouth. Just like that. No text reference. That's because she really knew her shit and had a clear passion for it. The way she articulated the information was so easy to understand and as mentioned- that's because she really knew her shit therefore making it easier for her to explain everything and was ready to answer any question from us.

personal anecdote break lol
I was planning to drop Visual Arts at the end of Year 8 (since in Year 9 VA was only available as an elective). My stubbornness refused to know why a post modern work had so much meaning. I thought it was complete bullshit. I loved the practical side of Visual Arts but hated the theoretical part. I wanted to like the theory part but just didn't know how. The day of when our Year 9 elective preferences were due at the end of the day, we had Visual Arts before lunch time. At this point in time, I had History Elective and French as my preferences. I really wanted to give art theory another chance because I knew how much it would suck if I just let go of art completely because I hated theory. I sat there in class and let my stubbornness leave my body and try to appreciate art theory. Susan talked about this post-modern artwork. I thought 'bloody bullshit'. But I let myself be open minded during that class. (For context look up the works of Jeanne Claude and Christo on google or something). Down below is an excerpt from my thank you letter to Susan the day of my graduation in 2017.

Quote
I enjoyed Year 8 prac but HATED theory. I remember selecting my electives for Year 9 and didn’t even think about continuing Visual Arts because that’s how much I loathed theory. I wasn’t as good as the other girls in my class and I literally couldn’t comprehend contemporary art at all. But then a miracle lesson happened. The works of Christo and Jeanne Claude blew my mind. At first when you first showed their works, I frankly thought they were shit. Like complete shit. Then you began describing the work. Fabric. Blanket. Cover. Then you began elaborating more. All the artists do is cover specific landscapes. And of course you gave the answer to the question I had in my head; why? The artists gives us an opportunity to view the world in a different way through art. And then I knew I had to continue Visual Arts in Year 9. This is the best decision I have ever made in my life.

And I agree- it was the best decision I have ever made. As soon as the class ended, I ran back to the student office and immediately changed my elective preference to Visual Arts. Her passionate for the arts has influenced me so much that it consistently became my best subject throughout high school. You might think- art is an easy subject. And to that I say- bloody bullshit. It's not. The fact that my decision to swap electives at the last minute was yes- spontaneous but in a good way. I now love art theory (to the point where I prefer it more than prac actually). I now even study a creative arts degree for my tertiary studies. I can't imagine doing some commerce or engineering degree- so to that I am forever grateful for that one art theory class back in Year 8 (2013) that's changed my life. Thank you Susan.


Another thing- there's a difference between a good teacher and a GREAT teacher. A good teacher would simply- mark your practice essays, stay after class for a bit to explain something further, taught really well. A teacher could stop there. But no- they can always move up one level and become a GREAT teacher. A great teacher is one who knows their students well enough to cater to their personal and academic needs. A great teacher is one who will approach you one on one rather than generalising the entire class. A great teacher is one who will treat you like a friend rather than a student apart of their job.

Susan took her time throughout the year to know our needs and personalised/customised some artists and art theory information that were beneficial to our art works (as part of our major work- ongoing artwork that we had to consistently work on throughout year 12). She knew the perfect artists and the perfect mediums for us to use. Susan would consistently make jokes and roast us to break that teacher/student boundary and turn it into a mentor/mentee and friend/friend relationship. I even remember we got sent an email from Susan and our art teacher, the day before our HSC arts exam. Most of my teachers for my other subjects sent out general 'good luck' emails. That was nice of them but it was just Susan and our other art teacher personalised our good luck email with advice specific for everyone. To add context, I will add below what they wrote down (I will put Student # instead of their names for the sake of my classmates privacy)

Quote
Student #1: Don't be late
Bea: Stop worrying
Student #2: Stop worrying
Student #3: check the time of your exam
Student #4: keep those adjectives flowing
Student #5: Don't use as many adjectives
Student #6: another few marks in that Section 2 and you'll cream it
Student #7: look closely at the question
Student #8: you've been improving so much, make this your best
Student #9: write BIGGER
Student #10: keep relating back to the question

Even though their individual advice for everyone in the class was short and sweet- but the fact that they gave us advice that catered specifically for each and everyone of us, shows that they really knew us.

It sucks that Susan has decided to leave my school this year because that would mean that the current Year 12 students and the years below would never experience her amazingness. I believe it's important for every student to experience what I had experience because teachers aren't just teachers- they're leaders and role models. What they say and teach can change someone's life. They have this ridiculous amount of power to influence the next generation of leaders and it's important to use that for the better.

TL;DR Have a clear passion and know your students personally (if possible!) and know that you are invested in their future. Don't just look at your job as a teacher as just a job. Look at it being the leader for this generation and inspiring the leaders of our future.

(apologies if there are any typos!)
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: brenden on January 13, 2019, 02:21:16 pm
Nearly forgot to post in this thread but I'll post now!

Out of my 13 years of primary and secondary education, I would have to say that my Visual Arts teachers from Years 8/9 to 12 were the best ones I've had and here's why. I'll specifically talk about one teacher- I'll call her Susan in this thread. To add context, I've had Susan for Year 8 to 12 (my other teacher I had from Year 9 to 12) and she's the only teacher at my school I've had every year. Not even my homeroom teacher was consistent.

Susan wasn't just a teacher- she was a mentor, a friend and a leader. Not exactly a mother but more like an aunt- you guys aren't 100% related but she put in so much effort that she felt like she was your mother. She always had our backs in Visual Arts and even in our personal lives.

What made Susan stand out from the rest of my teachers- was her innate passion for art. It is so damn important for a teacher to be passionate about their subject/s because that will certainly brush onto the students and they will be more motivated to work harder and try their best. Susan just knew every bit and piece of her art knowledge. Even when she had presentations in class- most teachers would have a huge chunk of text on the screen. Susan didn't- she just had a picture of the artwork on screen and the information would just come out of her mouth. Just like that. No text reference. That's because she really knew her shit and had a clear passion for it. The way she articulated the information was so easy to understand and as mentioned- that's because she really knew her shit therefore making it easier for her to explain everything and was ready to answer any question from us.

personal anecdote break lol
I was planning to drop Visual Arts at the end of Year 8 (since in Year 9 VA was only available as an elective). My stubbornness refused to know why a post modern work had so much meaning. I thought it was complete bullshit. I loved the practical side of Visual Arts but hated the theoretical part. I wanted to like the theory part but just didn't know how. The day of when our Year 9 elective preferences were due at the end of the day, we had Visual Arts before lunch time. At this point in time, I had History Elective and French as my preferences. I really wanted to give art theory another chance because I knew how much it would suck if I just let go of art completely because I hated theory. I sat there in class and let my stubbornness leave my body and try to appreciate art theory. Susan talked about this post-modern artwork. I thought 'bloody bullshit'. But I let myself be open minded during that class. (For context look up the works of Jeanne Claude and Christo on google or something). Down below is an excerpt from my thank you letter to Susan the day of my graduation in 2017.

And I agree- it was the best decision I have ever made. As soon as the class ended, I ran back to the student office and immediately changed my elective preference to Visual Arts. Her passionate for the arts has influenced me so much that it consistently became my best subject throughout high school. You might think- art is an easy subject. And to that I say- bloody bullshit. It's not. The fact that my decision to swap electives at the last minute was yes- spontaneous but in a good way. I now love art theory (to the point where I prefer it more than prac actually). I now even study a creative arts degree for my tertiary studies. I can't imagine doing some commerce or engineering degree- so to that I am forever grateful for that one art theory class back in Year 8 (2013) that's changed my life. Thank you Susan.


Another thing- there's a difference between a good teacher and a GREAT teacher. A good teacher would simply- mark your practice essays, stay after class for a bit to explain something further, taught really well. A teacher could stop there. But no- they can always move up one level and become a GREAT teacher. A great teacher is one who knows their students well enough to cater to their personal and academic needs. A great teacher is one who will approach you one on one rather than generalising the entire class. A great teacher is one who will treat you like a friend rather than a student apart of their job.

Susan took her time throughout the year to know our needs and personalised/customised some artists and art theory information that were beneficial to our art works (as part of our major work- ongoing artwork that we had to consistently work on throughout year 12). She knew the perfect artists and the perfect mediums for us to use. Susan would consistently make jokes and roast us to break that teacher/student boundary and turn it into a mentor/mentee and friend/friend relationship. I even remember we got sent an email from Susan and our art teacher, the day before our HSC arts exam. Most of my teachers for my other subjects sent out general 'good luck' emails. That was nice of them but it was just Susan and our other art teacher personalised our good luck email with advice specific for everyone. To add context, I will add below what they wrote down (I will put Student # instead of their names for the sake of my classmates privacy)

Even though their individual advice for everyone in the class was short and sweet- but the fact that they gave us advice that catered specifically for each and everyone of us, shows that they really knew us.

It sucks that Susan has decided to leave my school this year because that would mean that the current Year 12 students and the years below would never experience her amazingness. I believe it's important for every student to experience what I had experience because teachers aren't just teachers- they're leaders and role models. What they say and teach can change someone's life. They have this ridiculous amount of power to influence the next generation of leaders and it's important to use that for the better.

TL;DR Have a clear passion and know your students personally (if possible!) and know that you are invested in their future. Don't just look at your job as a teacher as just a job. Look at it being the leader for this generation and inspiring the leaders of our future.

(apologies if there are any typos!)
Incredible, ty
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: addict on January 13, 2019, 08:21:03 pm
The fact that you're taking the time to go online and ask for advice already inclines me to think that you will be a very responsible teacher. Good on you! I guess a very important thing a good teacher does is making sure that every single person in the class feels comfortable and able to learn in their class. They are patient and understand that not everyone learns at the same pace. Over the years, I've been in classes (not necessarily at day school) where I felt like I was the slowest student alive and could understand nothing despite trying my very hardest, as if the teacher was talking in Latin. I've also been in classes where I felt so complacent that I could just mess around for the 4 hours a week I'm there for. Needless to say, I learnt nothing in those classes. While I tried to engage myself in these classes as best as I can, sometimes it does get draining. I guess what I'm suggesting is that, if there are student who don't seem as engaged as they should be, please don't be too quick to judge them or jump to conclusions. From my personal experience, nothing makes it worse for a struggling student who already feels worthless and inadequate than to have to deal with a teacher who appears to be personally targeting them, whether it be intentional or not from the teacher's end. Instead, it would be better for the teacher to take the time to talk to these disengaged students, offer the high flyers some extension material to work on and encourage the struggling kids to open up and ask more questions. We as students really do see everything you do for us and are very grateful when you take the time to find common understanding with us.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: katie,rinos on February 13, 2019, 09:03:49 pm
Hows teaching been going so far? :)
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: brenden on February 15, 2019, 07:03:12 pm
Hows teaching been going so far? :)
Pretty fantastically! I'm seriously loving it. It's exhausting... I can barely stop myself falling asleep right now, I've been lying in bed since I got home hahaha. But it's just brilliant. I feel motivated knowing the importance of the work and my students have been surprisingly fantastic. I have a Year 11 VCE English class, the Year 10 advanced English class, a Year 11 VCAL literacy class, and I'm helping out a group of year 12s after school once a week, so that's exciting, too.

Thanks so much to everyone who chimed in to this thread... it was really helpful for me to reflect on your experiences, and they helped me reflect on the type of teacher I wanted to be!
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Joseph41 on February 15, 2019, 07:09:39 pm
You are the best!
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: brenden on February 15, 2019, 07:28:34 pm
You are the best!
no u r 😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: keightleennd on February 16, 2019, 01:31:57 am
All of my favourite teachers have always made an effort to know me (and other students) as a person, rather than just a student. Lucky for me I have been able to keep my English and HHD teachers from year 11 for year 12 :D both AMAZING people.

For me personally, I have always found English to be a very personal(?) subject as you are subjecting yourself to be criticised by someone who is basically a total stranger. It wasn't until year 10 when I felt like I was actually connecting with my English teachers, this was also the first year I started doing drafts for English. I started the year with 50% on my first draft and ended up finishing year 10 as the top English student, getting 96% on my end of year exams. My year 10 English teacher and I ended up forming a really tight bond, which I believe has influenced how I now approach English.

I walked into year 11 English with a REALLY high standard for myself, this did not help with my stress. I started off the year strong, but by the time we got to creative and my marks started to drop, this is what I believe was my downfall. So now I'm stressing about school and dealing with stressors in my personal life, my marks are slowly dropping again, my English teacher (being the astounding person they are) begins suggesting all these videos for me to watch/listen to, they have showed me all these apps, teaching me all these methods to help me deal with my stress and is just always checking in with me. You probably don't have to go to the extent as what they did, but you definitely check in with your students.

I finished year 11 English with a 'panic attack' during my exams and a fail (thank god my pass was sent to VASS before the exam), this teacher and my coordinator checked in with me, even though they could've ignored it.

DW year 12 has started on a good note, I got feedback for my first draft today/yesterday from my English teacher and the new English teacher (OMG I heard they got like 47 in English and an ATAR over 90! They must've had like no social life in year 12). I'm pretty sure the new English teacher is doing their first year too, I have seen them around the school, my friends have always said good things about them and they seem like a nice person. I started with a making fun of them over one of their ATAR notes post and they still made an effort to know me which I found really nice, they asked me if I did a year 12 subject last year, how I went on it, asking who my English teacher is and was asking what I'm aiming for English this year. With giving me feedback, they were nice and built me up with compliments before telling how I could improve for the next draft. I thought that was a cool way of approaching it.

OMG?? you're doing all the same stuff as the new teacher at my school?? Did I stumble on another one of your post??

TL;DR your students are human, just like you; get to know them as a person and a student. To build them up you need to be their leader/mentor and work together as a team. You also need to be the best version of you, make sure you look after yourself and have fun :)

Good luck with your first year of teaching. The fact that you're seeking opinions from other people just demonstrates how much of an amazing teacher you are going to be :)
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: brenden on June 06, 2019, 08:06:58 pm
Nearly at the end of my first semester teaching, and getting so much from it... Year 12 is heating up. Winter's here, Year 12s have SACs and internal exams flying at them and I think people are starting to realise that the end is coming and the game's for real.

I think a lot of relationships are getting there at this time, probably 5 months into meeting students I feel like we're getting mutual understandings of each other that makes working together much easier and more comfortable. Bloody hell, being back at a school reminds me just how fucking tough Year 12 is... I don't envy those of you that are there right now! Keep at it, the slog is worth it in the end.

Thanks everyone for your responses to this thread. I feel like I'm finding my feet well as a teacher and keep a lot of these things in mind.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Aaron on June 06, 2019, 09:05:19 pm
Nearly at the end of my first semester teaching, and getting so much from it... Year 12 is heating up. Winter's here, Year 12s have SACs and internal exams flying at them and I think people are starting to realise that the end is coming and the game's for real.

I think a lot of relationships are getting there at this time, probably 5 months into meeting students I feel like we're getting mutual understandings of each other that makes working together much easier and more comfortable. Bloody hell, being back at a school reminds me just how fucking tough Year 12 is... I don't envy those of you that are there right now! Keep at it, the slog is worth it in the end.

Thanks everyone for your responses to this thread. I feel like I'm finding my feet well as a teacher and keep a lot of these things in mind.

Glad things are going well for you mate.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: crouchie on June 09, 2019, 09:35:34 am
Nearly at the end of my first semester teaching, and getting so much from it... Year 12 is heating up. Winter's here, Year 12s have SACs and internal exams flying at them and I think people are starting to realise that the end is coming and the game's for real.

I think a lot of relationships are getting there at this time, probably 5 months into meeting students I feel like we're getting mutual understandings of each other that makes working together much easier and more comfortable. Bloody hell, being back at a school reminds me just how fucking tough Year 12 is... I don't envy those of you that are there right now! Keep at it, the slog is worth it in the end.

Thanks everyone for your responses to this thread. I feel like I'm finding my feet well as a teacher and keep a lot of these things in mind.

Well done brenden.
I was in your exact position 4 years ago (I'm in the middle of my 5th year teaching, albeit I'm a maths teacher), and I always wondered how to approach things.
I find that I don't view teaching as a "job" or as "work" but as a chance to showcase how awesome maths is and that it can be a lot of fun. I know that Methods and Specialist are tough and can be a massive slog at times, but the key is to be persistent and keep on top of things, and always ask for help, no matter how small or hard the question is. I'm sure English would be similar.
Well done again. It's a rewarding profession, you might find yourself up until 2 in the morning some nights trying to get through a mountain of paperwork/exam writing etc, but the knowledge that students will find the resources helpful is priceless  :)
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Joseph41 on June 24, 2019, 04:52:18 pm
Well done brenden.
I was in your exact position 4 years ago (I'm in the middle of my 5th year teaching, albeit I'm a maths teacher), and I always wondered how to approach things.
I find that I don't view teaching as a "job" or as "work" but as a chance to showcase how awesome maths is and that it can be a lot of fun. I know that Methods and Specialist are tough and can be a massive slog at times, but the key is to be persistent and keep on top of things, and always ask for help, no matter how small or hard the question is. I'm sure English would be similar.
Well done again. It's a rewarding profession, you might find yourself up until 2 in the morning some nights trying to get through a mountain of paperwork/exam writing etc, but the knowledge that students will find the resources helpful is priceless  :)

It sounds as though your students are lucky to have you. 👍 Thanks for sharing this.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: Remy33 on June 24, 2019, 05:18:32 pm
If you're not in it for a salary than please be committed and empathetic. Thank you!

From what I've heard teachers usually have pretty crap salaries for the amount of work they do, including outside of normal school hours, so doubt they're in it for the $$$.
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: brothanathan on June 24, 2019, 05:28:54 pm
From what I've heard teachers usually have pretty crap salaries for the amount of work they do, including outside of normal school hours, so doubt they're in it for the $$$.

Which is why some just slack off...
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: crouchie on June 26, 2019, 10:03:57 am
It sounds as though your students are lucky to have you. 👍 Thanks for sharing this.

Thanks Joseph41. I hope my students ditto your words too  :)
As a side note, a student that I taught is delivering a few of the Methods and Specialist lectures in your upcoming lecture series, she'll know who I am  :D

From what I've heard teachers usually have pretty crap salaries for the amount of work they do, including outside of normal school hours, so doubt they're in it for the $$$.

100% correct. I (and all the teachers I know) are not in it for the $$, it is impossible to get "rich"/"loaded" by being a teacher (of course if you make assumptions such as haivng no expenses, mortgage, etc, and having a side hustle such as stock trading, etc, then it is possible). I can't see any joy in turning up to work and teaching a subject that you have no interest in, to students who don't seem to want to learn it well, and doing this day in, day out, just to collect a paycheck every fortnight.
The reason I became a teacher was because I love VCE maths and this was the perfect career/vocation to explore maths on a daily basis (restricted by the syllabus and time of course), which you can't find in any other profession.
You are correct Remy33 in that the salary doesn't feel like it's a fair reumeneration for the amount of work we do (and some teachers have even expressed that they work 100 times harder than the students they teach, I admit I have thought that many times), however I don't think the government would be able to afford our salaries if they actually paid us for every hour that we worked - everyone's tax dollars are not going to be able to afford that!!
Title: Re: I'll be a teacher next year and I need your advice
Post by: brothanathan on June 26, 2019, 11:28:50 am
Please read this:

- VCE Maths used as an example

What I meant by salary was to simply afford a living. Not to be someone who owns Bugatti hypercars. I applaud you for your passion Crouchie and hope you'll be willing to give more than 200% to students of diverse proficiency in Mathematics. Be honest to your students and don't neglect them. I know of many teachers who lose passion for teaching Maths because of their so-called stupid students and gossip about their so-called intellectual limitations. They were obsessed with "face" and didn't want a disadvantaged student to de-grade their craft. I'm not accusing anyone here is one, but many end up with a similar notion.

No doubt, the requirements of a modern-day teacher have increased and this corresponds to the academic requirements by schools and moreover our society. Simply having the "love" to teach the content of VCE Maths isn't enough, you must consider your "love" to teach students of different comprehensions of Mathematics. Understand why they're so outstanding or incompetent in Maths. Of course, Maths isn't just about solving equations but not all have an innate ability to conceptualize and problem solve.

If you really want to be a teacher in our modern world, you love nurturing students to realize their potential and a love for Mathematics/other field. Not everyone learns the same, not everyone was nurtured well at a younger age.

This is a heartfelt message from a student who's never gained a love for Mathematics and witnessed unruly comments, blaming and agitation by teachers targeted at various types of students weak or strong. I understand that some students may seem to be a Sisyphean nightmare due to specific circumstances and teachers are people who have feelings as well. Nonetheless, there's no excuse for you to not meet the needs of a modern-day teacher if you can breathe and eat.

Additionally, keep this quote in mind while teaching: "Arrogance and pride will make you fall. Be humble and remain humble at all times."

If you read all this you're a champ.

P.S. This can be applied to VCE English too or any other field that requires teaching.