Arts/Law or Melb JD - concerns

[jejak]

To anyone out there doing Arts/Law at Monash - ninwa? - does the arts component of your studies get "neglected" to accommodate the Law degree? As in, could you still complete a double major as part of your studies?

My reason for asking is, I had heard a rumour that this was so, and as I'm considering graduate studies in the humanities, I need my Arts degree to be as jam-packed as possible haha. If this is the case, would it be a better option for me to first do Arts at Melbourne and then take advantage of the Guaranteed Entry Pathway, since my enter >99? This sounds like a good option but unfortunately I'm only guaranteed a full-fee place, whose fees leave me quaking in mah boots.

Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks.

[gallinari]

On the topic of the Arts/Law course at Monash, i'd love to know how the "Clearly In" score has changed since like 2006.  I know it was 98.15 for the 2009 applicants, and im trying to get an idea of how radically this score might increase this year..?
Any help would be grand.

[simpak]

Waiiit a second.  So for ENTERS + 99 you have guaranteed entry to Law JD?  I did not know this.
Probably because I never thought I would get over 99...
Does this go for any graduate course/opportunity at Melbourne as well?

[jejak]

Does this go for any graduate course/opportunity at Melbourne as well?

For all degrees it is >= 99.00 for a guaranteed full-fee place, provided you maintain 70% avg (most cases).
However, for med and dent, you must also meet subject pre-reqs and perform well at interview.

For all CSP places, the cutoff is >= 99.90.

[Eriny]

A full-fee place isn't sooo horrible because you can defer the payment (you just end up paying more). I think it's up to you. When I was in high school I was considering doing a law degree, but because I wasn't 100% sure about it, I figured it might be a better idea to do arts and concentrate on my intellectual interests because I have the whole rest of my life to worry about my professional ones. But if you know that you want to be a lawyer, why not go straight into it? I don't think Monash law would be a detriment to you at all.

My advice would be to just follow your interests and hopefully things will fall into place from there.

Oh, also, in the US they offer joint PhD/JD programmes, which might be up your alley. Unless you want to practice law in Australia.

[jejak]

[...] but because I wasn't 100% sure about it, I figured it might be a better idea to do arts and concentrate on my intellectual interests because I have the whole rest of my life to worry about my professional ones.

To me this sounds like very sage advice. I'm fairly sure that I don't want to be a practising lawyer; my only reason for considering law is that I've heard horror stories about humanities grad students driving taxis full-time, and so some kind of professional degree, and the security it brings, is attractive. Of course, I'm sure fear is a poor motivator though.

I think I should, as per your example, focus on my academic interests first; its difficult though when all you ever hear is that there are fewer and fewer tenure track positions, and looming academic job cuts etc. What's to say that I'll be so fortunate to have a steady income teaching/researching? Plus, at least at my high school, all everyone talks about is medicine, law, commerce, and each course's relative prestige. It really is quite daunting.

Okay, putting away the soapbox.

[vexx]

Does this go for any graduate course/opportunity at Melbourne as well?

For the majority it is >= 99.00 for a guaranteed full-fee place.
However, for med and dent, you need >= 99.5 plus subject pre-reqs.

For all CSP places, the cutoff is >= 99.90.

actually for med it's 99.00 for fullplace, which depends if you meet subject pre-reqs, maintain GPA over 3 years of H2A & do satisfactory on an interview:P.

[jejak]

actually for med it's 99.00 for fullplace, which depends if you meet subject pre-reqs, maintain GPA over 3 years of H2A & do satisfactory on an interview:P.

Sorry I don't know how I misread the ENTER thing. Post has been edited.
Anyway, the whole shebang is available here:
http://www.futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/ugrad/apply/scores/guaranteed-entryreq

[ninwa]

To anyone out there doing Arts/Law at Monash - ninwa? - does the arts component of your studies get "neglected" to accommodate the Law degree? As in, could you still complete a double major as part of your studies?

My reason for asking is, I had heard a rumour that this was so, and as I'm considering graduate studies in the humanities, I need my Arts degree to be as jam-packed as possible haha.

Where did you hear that?! I'm doing a double major right now in German and French. It's definitely possible - you just won't be able to do any other electives.
If you do straight arts, you can do 2 majors + 2 minors. Or 2 majors + 1 minor + random electives.
If you do arts/law, you can do 2 majors, or 1 major + 2 minors. Or 1 major + 1 minor + random electives.
So it is only a small difference

But if you know that you want to be a lawyer, why not go straight into it?

You don't even have to want to be a lawyer I don't! I want to go into academia. Or work in diplomacy.

To me this sounds like very sage advice. I'm fairly sure that I don't want to be a practising lawyer; my only reason for considering law is that I've heard horror stories about humanities grad students driving taxis full-time, and so some kind of professional degree, and the security it brings, is attractive. Of course, I'm sure fear is a poor motivator though.

This was my initial reason for doing arts/law (except replace humanities with languages). You never know what might happen. Now, along with diplomacy (which is incredibly competitive and I'm not likely to succeed in), I'm considering becoming a law lecturer. I greatly underestimated my interest in the law.

Plus, if you really don't like it, you can always just drop it. I know people who did. I think the safer option is to do arts/law @ Monash and drop law if you really hate it... rather than do arts at UoM, decide you want to do law, but not be able to get into JD because your LSAT wasn't good enough.

[simpak]

I know you say full-fee placement isn't so bad, but is it POSSIBLE that you will be selected for a csp with an enter under the guaranteed entry specification for csp?
Like, if you have done well enough with your scores in your Undergrad?
They can't ONLY offer csps to people who got over 99.90 can they?

[vexx]

I know you say full-fee placement isn't so bad, but is it POSSIBLE that you will be selected for a csp with an enter under the guaranteed entry specification for csp?
Like, if you have done well enough with your scores in your Undergrad?
They can't ONLY offer csps to people who got over 99.90 can they?

no, you need 99.00 fullplace and 99.90 for csp. if you get 98.95 its not enough for fullfee and 99.85 isn't even enough for csp.
but just study hard in your undergrad and apply for grad anyways, you dont need a garenteed csp to get in.
all places are csp at a graduate level except for international students which are fullfee

[simpak]

I know you say full-fee placement isn't so bad, but is it POSSIBLE that you will be selected for a csp with an enter under the guaranteed entry specification for csp?
Like, if you have done well enough with your scores in your Undergrad?
They can't ONLY offer csps to people who got over 99.90 can they?

no, you need 99.00 fullplace and 99.90 for csp. if you get 98.95 its not enough for fullfee and 99.85 isn't even enough for csp.
but just study hard in your undergrad and apply for grad anyways, you dont need a garenteed csp to get in.
all places are csp at a graduate level except for international students which are fullfee

Oh okay, I think I will probably keep Melbourne as my first preference then instead of switching it to Monash Law, then I can do Media Com for my undergrad as I was planning to do and aim towards the JD later.
Thanks!

[vexx]

I know you say full-fee placement isn't so bad, but is it POSSIBLE that you will be selected for a csp with an enter under the guaranteed entry specification for csp?
Like, if you have done well enough with your scores in your Undergrad?
They can't ONLY offer csps to people who got over 99.90 can they?

no, you need 99.00 fullplace and 99.90 for csp. if you get 98.95 its not enough for fullfee and 99.85 isn't even enough for csp.
but just study hard in your undergrad and apply for grad anyways, you dont need a garenteed csp to get in.
all places are csp at a graduate level except for international students which are fullfee

Oh okay, I think I will probably keep Melbourne as my first preference then instead of switching it to Monash Law, then I can do Media Com for my undergrad as I was planning to do and aim towards the JD later.
Thanks!

why not do arts/law? and then be able to do both simultaneously? there's no garentee that you'll get into graduate, and now with your 99.05, you have a good chance of getting in.

[Glockmeister]

I know you say full-fee placement isn't so bad, but is it POSSIBLE that you will be selected for a csp with an enter under the guaranteed entry specification for csp?
Like, if you have done well enough with your scores in your Undergrad?
They can't ONLY offer csps to people who got over 99.90 can they?

no, you need 99.00 fullplace and 99.90 for csp. if you get 98.95 its not enough for fullfee and 99.85 isn't even enough for csp.
but just study hard in your undergrad and apply for grad anyways, you dont need a garenteed csp to get in.
all places are csp at a graduate level except for international students which are fullfee

Actaully, this may be wrong, but my understanding is that only 50% of places are going to be CSP, the rest (of domestic places) are full fee.

[vexx]

I know you say full-fee placement isn't so bad, but is it POSSIBLE that you will be selected for a csp with an enter under the guaranteed entry specification for csp?
Like, if you have done well enough with your scores in your Undergrad?
They can't ONLY offer csps to people who got over 99.90 can they?

no, you need 99.00 fullplace and 99.90 for csp. if you get 98.95 its not enough for fullfee and 99.85 isn't even enough for csp.
but just study hard in your undergrad and apply for grad anyways, you dont need a garenteed csp to get in.
all places are csp at a graduate level except for international students which are fullfee

Actaully, this may be wrong, but my understanding is that only 50% of places are going to be CSP, the rest (of domestic places) are full fee.

well what i said was true for med, i would have assumed that all grad courses are similar.
where all places are CSP and then the international students are fullfee.