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Re: Controversial Issue: Gay Marriage
« Reply #165 on: January 11, 2012, 11:34:36 pm »
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These statistics might not be 100% accurate, but they are close enough:

In the USA:
76% Christianity
15% Atheism
9% Other

In Australia:
64% Christianity
19% Atheism
17% Other

If religion is the largest opposing factor of gay marriage, then why has gay marriage been legalised in parts of the USA but not in Australia?
Is it because Americans pride themselves on living in a "free country" so much that they will fight for their rights?

I never knew our Christianity percentage was so high.

It's probably a bit less by now, since that census was taken in 2007, but here is the exact quote:
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In 2007, 64% of the population claimed at least nominal adherence to the Christian faith, although less than a quarter of those attended church weekly.
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Re: Controversial Issue: Gay Marriage
« Reply #166 on: January 11, 2012, 11:49:19 pm »
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Okay, that's a fair statement. But anti-Islamic sentiment hasn't been fueled by some secret zionist agenda, it's been fueled by good ol' American patriotism. And, like I said, this may have been a heavy influence on September 12th and the couple of years afterwards, but Australians are not stupid people. Any anti-Islamic mindset that may have existed in the early 2000s is largely gone as we have realised that we're not the white knights we thought we were.

Look at our reaction to the arab spring for example. Did Australians see a 'bunch of no good arab rebels stirring things up' or a 'grass roots uprising of oppressed people looking for rights and freedoms!'?

With the exception of fears over the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt and Al Qaeda in Yemen the media portrayed the arab world and muslims as good, normal people with similar values to us, and that's how we perceived them.
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I don't think Australians are stupid, but my irritation stems from the fact that most people have pre-conceived ideas about Islam based on iterapertations developed by the media regardles of whether they discriminate against muslims or not, the beliefs about it being
sexist ect. This was never meant to be an anti-Jew thing I was just stating and extreme theory believed by some.

In responce to the topic, I think that there is no real point in bringing a new sort-of union for homosexuals as it would just be the same as marriage, in all honesty marriage itself is not even all that necessary. It is just a peice of paper stating that two people are dedicated to each other, it does not protect from a couple from fights nor other hurdles they may face as a couple.
As for why gay marriage is yet to be legalised is because society isn't really ready for it, there are many such as myself who don't think it really matters, but I think as a whole I don't think society really wants it becuase if they did it would be legal.
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Re: Controversial Issue: Gay Marriage
« Reply #167 on: January 12, 2012, 12:14:19 am »
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but I think as a whole I don't think society really wants it becuase if they did it would be legal.

I don't quite understand what you mean. How is the legality of gay marriage a problem for the majority of people?
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Re: Controversial Issue: Gay Marriage
« Reply #168 on: January 12, 2012, 11:29:44 am »
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but I think as a whole I don't think society really wants it becuase if they did it would be legal.

I don't quite understand what you mean. How is the legality of gay marriage a problem for the majority of people?

I just think that as people where previously stating it has a lot to do with religion and people's morals, I know some people who aren't against homosexuals but the idea of them marrying is 'flinch- worthy' to them. There are still many people who are not ready to see being homosexual taken one step further - But I don't know everybody, I'm just assuming that most people don't want it becuase otherwise it would be legal.
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Re: Controversial Issue: Gay Marriage
« Reply #169 on: January 12, 2012, 04:09:10 pm »
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I just think that as people where previously stating it has a lot to do with religion and people's morals, I know some people who aren't against homosexuals but the idea of them marrying is 'flinch- worthy' to them. There are still many people who are not ready to see being homosexual taken one step further - But I don't know everybody, I'm just assuming that most people don't want it becuase otherwise it would be legal.

Not quite how a representative democracy works. For example, if the carbon tax went to poll - from my knowledge, it has been a while since I looked at stats - it would not get a majority vote. Is it being pushed forward? Yes, despite this discrepancy between the populace and the representatives (parliamentarians).

My question for you is - Is it justified to deny a group of people equal legal rights (as we have defined marriage as a secular institution, not religious) simply because some others feel "flinch-worthy" towards them? It seems a poor argument. It is the equivalent of someone proclaiming they feel threatened or have intense reactions when thinking about X ethnicity doing Y, therefore, they should not be entitled to Y which we have.
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Re: Controversial Issue: Gay Marriage
« Reply #170 on: January 13, 2012, 09:25:53 pm »
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I just think that as people where previously stating it has a lot to do with religion and people's morals, I know some people who aren't against homosexuals but the idea of them marrying is 'flinch- worthy' to them. There are still many people who are not ready to see being homosexual taken one step further - But I don't know everybody, I'm just assuming that most people don't want it becuase otherwise it would be legal.

Not quite how a representative democracy works. For example, if the carbon tax went to poll - from my knowledge, it has been a while since I looked at stats - it would not get a majority vote. Is it being pushed forward? Yes, despite this discrepancy between the populace and the representatives (parliamentarians).

My question for you is - Is it justified to deny a group of people equal legal rights (as we have defined marriage as a secular institution, not religious) simply because some others feel "flinch-worthy" towards them? It seems a poor argument. It is the equivalent of someone proclaiming they feel threatened or have intense reactions when thinking about X ethnicity doing Y, therefore, they should not be entitled to Y which we have.

Look i'm not against it I honestly don't think it matters if people want to marry thier money or car let alone somebody of the same sex. And yes it being flinch-worthy is a poor argument, again not my oppinion I was stating why some others I know are agianst it. 
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Re: Controversial Issue: Gay Marriage
« Reply #171 on: January 14, 2012, 08:35:48 pm »
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In responce to the topic, I think that there is no real point in bringing a new sort-of union for homosexuals as it would just be the same as marriage, in all honesty marriage itself is not even all that necessary. It is just a peice of paper stating that two people are dedicated to each other, it does not protect from a couple from fights nor other hurdles they may face as a couple.

Then just give it to them
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Re: Controversial Issue: Gay Marriage
« Reply #172 on: January 14, 2012, 08:42:56 pm »
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There is no valid/rational argument against gay marriage.

This entirely.

I don't think its the rationalism that makes people disagree... but religion that steps in the way... most people are like, 'well yeah, that makes sense' but then they go, 'wait a minute, my religion tells me its wrong' - its honestly an internal moral conflict - either to think logically and abandon all the values instilled in them since birth or to choose to keep the word of their god as their principle guidelines

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Re: Controversial Issue: Gay Marriage
« Reply #173 on: January 18, 2012, 12:28:08 am »
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I don't think its the rationalism that makes people disagree... but religion that steps in the way... most people are like, 'well yeah, that makes sense' but then they go, 'wait a minute, my religion tells me its wrong' - its honestly an internal moral conflict - either to think logically and abandon all the values instilled in them since birth or to choose to keep the word of their god as their principle guidelines
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I agree completely this pretty much seems to be a lot of people's reasoning
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Re: Controversial Issue: Gay Marriage
« Reply #174 on: January 24, 2012, 03:31:40 pm »
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I just think that as people where previously stating it has a lot to do with religion and people's morals, I know some people who aren't against homosexuals but the idea of them marrying is 'flinch- worthy' to them. There are still many people who are not ready to see being homosexual taken one step further - But I don't know everybody, I'm just assuming that most people don't want it becuase otherwise it would be legal.

Not quite how a representative democracy works. For example, if the carbon tax went to poll - from my knowledge, it has been a while since I looked at stats - it would not get a majority vote. Is it being pushed forward? Yes, despite this discrepancy between the populace and the representatives (parliamentarians).

My question for you is - Is it justified to deny a group of people equal legal rights (as we have defined marriage as a secular institution, not religious) simply because some others feel "flinch-worthy" towards them? It seems a poor argument. It is the equivalent of someone proclaiming they feel threatened or have intense reactions when thinking about X ethnicity doing Y, therefore, they should not be entitled to Y which we have.

Look i'm not against it I honestly don't think it matters if people want to marry thier money or car let alone somebody of the same sex. And yes it being flinch-worthy is a poor argument, again not my oppinion I was stating why some others I know are agianst it. 

Louis C.K. expounds this point brilliantly in this youtube clip. To anyone opposed to same-sex marriage, just listen at how hard reasonable people laugh at you and your stupidity. You're on the wrong side of history, stop being bigots:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtJ_sDRRVVI&feature=related

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« Reply #175 on: January 24, 2012, 10:08:52 pm »
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Fuck yeah, I love Louis CK
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