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Title: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on July 19, 2017, 07:14:30 pm
Hi guys!
I’m currently studying Physiotherapy at Monash University. I also received an offer at the start of 2017 to study at ACU in North Sydney, but turned it down in favour of remaining in Victoria.
I hope this thread goes some way to shed some light on what studying physio is like, and if you have any questions please ask :D
I've placed all the info I've written in spoilers to avoid making this post too long :)

Universities that offer physio (VIC, NSW & ACT):
-   Monash University (UG, PG in mid-2020)
-   La Trobe University (UG, PG)
-   University of Melbourne (PG)
-   Australian Catholic University (UG)
-   Charles Sturt University (UG)
-   University of Newcastle (UG, PG)
-   University of Sydney (UG, PG)
-   University of Canberra (UG, PG)
-   University of Technology Sydney (PG)
-   Western Sydney University (UG)
-   Swinburne University (PG)
-   Federation University (UG, proposed to start in 2021)

Prerequisites
-   These vary at different universities
-   English
-   Generally two of Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Methods, Specialist, potentially Physical Education or any Maths
-   The ATAR required is generally 90+, at some universities high 80s will put you in contention, and at some universities you need high 90s
-   Monash also requires you to sit an interview

What does a physio do?
Physios have a pretty wide scope of practice – they assess, diagnose, treat and prevent health conditions and movement disorders. I think a really important part of physiotherapy is helping and working to improve quality of life in people of all ages.
Most people have interactions with physios who work in musculoskeletal and/or sports physiotherapy – these are the physios you see in private practice – but the reality is, that’s a small sample of physiotherapy.
You’ll see physios in a wide variety of settings – hospitals, private practice, workplaces, etc. Some of the areas they work in are orthopaedics, cardiorespiratory, musculoskeletal, neurology, paediatrics, oncology, sports, men’s & women’s health, gerontology – but there’s plenty more areas and fields you’ll see a physio working in!

What does the course generally involve?
-   All courses involve practical placements, these generally occur in the later years of your degree
-   If your course has honours, you will be doing research projects, and potentially an honours thesis, during your degree. Several courses have honours integrated within the course, so you won’t necessarily be doing the traditional honours thesis that’s done in other courses.
-   On-campus learning generally involves anatomy, biomechanics, physiology, practical classes, physiotherapy theory, research, public health & health promotion, etc.
-   As far as I know, all courses use cadavers/wet specimens in anatomy education to varying degrees
-   You’ll be educated in different aspects of physiotherapy – musculoskeletal, cardiorespiratory, neurological, orthopaedics, women’s & men’s health, paediatrics, etc.

What’s it like to study physio? What skills do I need?
I guess the answer to this question is different from person to person. For me, it’s great – I’m always learning so much, and what we learn is truly interesting stuff that I feel really passionate about. It can be a pretty intense and sometimes overwhelming workload – in first year, I generally had 5 days a week at uni, and anywhere from 20-24+ contact hours (reducing in later years) with a lot of independent study. Once I got to second year and third year I usually had one day off a week. In the later years of your degree, you’ll have a number of placements to go through. If you’re disciplined, and are willing to work hard, then there’s no reason you can’t do physio. It's an enjoyable course, so in the end, the hard work is definitely worth it. Plus, if you take it one week at a time, things aren't too bad - it just gets a bit overwhelming if you look at the whole semester and think of all the things you have to do.
 
You’ll have to get comfortable seeing/working with cadavers/wet specimens. It can be confronting the first few times you see them, but hopefully you’ll become accustomed to it - you get to learn from the wet specs throughout your time on campus (the first 2.5 years of the degree in the case of Monash). A lot of people say the worst thing is the smell – the preservative used to keep the specimens in good condition has a bit of a funny smell (it can sometimes make you feel hungry, which can be disconcerting). Working with wet specimens is truly a privilege – you learn so much about the human body and its structure, and it’s pretty cool that people have actually donated their bodies so that you can learn all these awesome things.

You also get used to seeing people (and also being in) various stages of undress in practical classes – you get over that within the first week, don’t worry! You have to get used to using your hands – physiotherapy is a very hands-on profession, and your hands are your main tools – they allow you to perform treatments and physically assist people. So, if you’re not cool with touching people, maybe work on that.

I think it's also important to consider how necessary communication skills are. You have to be able to explain things to a patient (such as the condition they have, a particular exercise you want them to do and why, etc.) and have to be able to relate to them. Empathy is huge in healthcare! But don't stress if you're not the best communicator out there - you get heaps of practice during the course and if you're willing to learn, you'll be fine.

Monash course info
Structure
So, Monash run their course a bit differently to other unis. The way it's structured, you do one big unit worth 24 credit points per semester (as opposed to four units worth 6 credit points). You cover a different theme each semester. Within the theme, you generally cover: CBL (case based learning), anatomy, physio theory, physiology, physio skill practicals and research.

At the moment, the course structure for uni based learning is:
Year 1, Semester 1: Lower limb musculoskeletal physio
Year 1, Semester 2: Upper limb (and spine) musculoskeletal physio
Year 2, Semester 1: Cardiorespiratory physio
Year 2, Semester 2: Neuro physio
Year 3, Semester 1: Womens & Men's Health, Paediatrics, more musculoskeletal & neuro stuff, and a build on the complexity of previous topics, etc.

Then after this, you go out on placement, essentially for the rest of the degree! You return to uni towards the end of fourth year for a few weeks to go back over stuff and present some things, etc. but that's pretty much it.

Which textbooks do I need?
I want to preface this by saying you definitely don't have to buy every textbook on the list, usually you only have to buy one or two and then you can borrow the rest from the library as needed - but if you want to, you don't have to buy any textbooks as the uni has a pretty good supply in the library! I'd also recommend waiting till you're a few weeks into your first semester/have gotten advice from older students to see which textbooks you'll actually need before you go buying heaps.

In first year, the two main textbooks to have are Clinical Sports Medicine and Clinically Oriented Anatomy. The others aren't so essential, and you can borrow them from the library. I personally also bought the Physiology textbook as well (Human Physiology: An Integrated Approach), but whether you get it (and the other books on the booklist) is up to personal preference - I haven't actually used the physiology textbook much since first year.

In second year (first semester), it's important to have Cardiorespiratory Physiotherapy: Adults and Paediatrics (Main & Denehy). You keep on using Clinically Oriented Anatomy and Human Physiology. I've also got a copy of The Physiotherapist's Pocketbook, which isn't necessary to have, but I've found it really useful to be able to refer back to something small to double check and all that.

In the second semester of second year, there's two books I really recommend you have:
- Neurological Rehabilitation: optimising motor performance (Carr & Shepherd)
- Clinical Outcome Measurement in Adult Neurological Physiotherapy (Hill et al) (definitely get this for your neuro placement!!!)
These are referred to as the "bibles" of neuro physio and I use them weekly. They're not particularly big either so they're super easy and convenient to keep in your backpack!
There's other books like Neuroanatomy (Crossman & Neary) and the Pocketbook of Neurological Physiotherapy but they're not essential - you can always borrow a copy from the library if you want to.

Third year mainly uses the textbooks from previous semesters and you can borrow anything else you need from the library or just access it online.

What's the go with placement?
Monash do placement in 5 week blocks where you usually attend 4 days a week. Hours are usually 8am - 4:30pm. You'll do placements in different streams, such as:
- Neurology
- Cardiorespiratory
- Gerontology
- Musculoskeletal/orthopaedics
- Paediatrics
- General medicine
Third year has 2-3 "core" blocks of placement, and you do another 3 in fourth year (2 "core" and 1 elective), plus a 2 week lifespan placement, which is usually in paediatrics.
You'll end up doing most placements in hospitals. You might also end up with some rural placements and will likely get to experience a few different hospitals and health networks.

Hope this helped! :)

Last updated: 24/11/20
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: Joseph41 on July 19, 2017, 07:16:14 pm
Great thread, K888!

+1. :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: jaceyjace on July 26, 2017, 01:34:28 am
Yes! This post is awesome! - I was misinformed by someone at Melbourne  :( and so as a year 12 considering physio I didn't know under-grad at Monash even existed. I have 3 questions: How many subjects do you do at one time? Is physio only offered at peninsula campus? and how competitive is it (not getting into it) more like, is the environment competitive?  :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on July 26, 2017, 01:08:29 pm
Yes! This post is awesome! - I was misinformed by someone at Melbourne  :( and so as a year 12 considering physio I didn't know under-grad at Monash even existed. I have 3 questions: How many subjects do you do at one time? Is physio only offered at peninsula campus? and how competitive is it (not getting into it) more like, is the environment competitive?  :)
Hi jaceyjace! Thanks :)

The two main under-grad courses in Vic are Monash and La Trobe - both are good courses!
To answer your questions:
1. We technically only study one unit, however it's worth 24 credit points - so it's like doing the usual 4 units worth 6 credit points. Within this unit, you do CBL, anatomy, physiology, physio theory, research, pracs, and a few other assorted things :) What this model allows for is a bit more continuity and connectedness between the different aspects of the physio course.

2. Physio is only offered at the Peninsula campus. It's a really nice campus, though! Smaller, clean, not too many students (always a place to sit in the library ;)), and no annoying socialists :P You do go to Clayton once a week (usually Wednesdays) for the first 2.5 years of the degree (for the rest you're on placement), where you do your anatomy pracs (this is where you work with the wet specimens) and have a few lectures - usually anatomy, as well as some physiology.

3. The environment is amazing. It's not competitive or snarky, and everyone is super nice, approachable and friendly. There's a fair bit of group work involved, so you become friends with people pretty quickly, and it's all just super awesome. Literally have not seen anyone be mean at all, and everyone's willing to help you if you're struggling. The staff are also phenomenal :D

Hope this helped, please ask if you want any clarification or have any more questions!
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: onrainydays on July 26, 2017, 07:34:15 pm
Hi K888!

I was thinking of doing physio in uni but I dont think I can get the ATAR. Is the ATAR required usually around 95 for Monash and LaTrobe? Do you know if anyone got around the 90's but still got into monash physio? Thank you!
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on July 26, 2017, 08:00:19 pm
Hi K888!

I was thinking of doing physio in uni but I dont think I can get the ATAR. Is the ATAR required usually around 95 for Monash and LaTrobe? Do you know if anyone got around the 90's but still got into monash physio? Thank you!
Hi onrainydays! Thanks so much for popping by and asking a question :) Apologies if none of this makes sense haha

At La Trobe, the clearly in tends to be higher, usually around 97ish (but let's be honest, probably a majority of people get less than this, I know of people who got in with ATARs in the lower 90s). Monash has the interview, so the ATAR needed tends to be a bit lower - the Monash Guarantee for physio is 86, and I think the lowest ATAR of someone who got an offer last year was 86.2 (according to the website). There are certainly plenty of people in my course who scored in the lower 90's range :)
The great thing about having the interview requirement as well as ATAR means you get put on a bit more of a level playing field with other applicants. Haven't really spoken about ATARs that much with people, but I do know people that got high 80s and got into the course, as well as people who got around the high 90s and didn't (hope this doesn't make anyone apprehensive of the interview - it's not complex and in my opinion, is really great, as scoring a really high ATAR doesn't mean you necessarily have aptitude for a course :) ).

If you're thinking about doing physio at uni, definitely put it down. In my opinion, Monash has a great course, and a better campus than La Trobe, but please make your own opinions as well :P I'm sure you'll be able to get the ATAR required! You also have things such as SEAS that can help you out. And also, even if worst case scenario, you don't get in, you can start another course then transfer across - I know a number of people who have done this :)

A tad off topic, but I'd also recommend coming to the upcoming open day! It's on Saturday the 5th of August at Peninsula, from 10am-3pm I think, but there'll also be info at Clayton on Sunday the 6th of August. The open day is really great for checking out the campus, and having a chat to the staff (who are awesome) - honestly, it was the reason I decided on Monash over La Trobe :)

It's also worth noting, if you're really set on doing physio at uni, consider applying interstate as well - I know that the University of Canberra usually has a lower ATAR requirement, and also, applying to more places increases your chances of getting in.
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: Joseph41 on July 26, 2017, 08:18:33 pm
Hi K888!

I was thinking of doing physio in uni but I dont think I can get the ATAR. Is the ATAR required usually around 95 for Monash and LaTrobe? Do you know if anyone got around the 90's but still got into monash physio? Thank you!

Welcome to ATAR Notes, onrainydays! :))
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: thelolcat on August 05, 2017, 05:54:12 pm
Hi! I have a lot of questions to ask, hopefully they aren't too dumb...

1. Is the job avalability for physiotherapists decent in Victoria (Western suburbs to be specific)? Is it normal or better to have to specialise after doing the base course in Physiotherapy?

2. I've heard that Latrobe offers better health courses in general over other unis, how come you opted to choose Monash in the end? (Other than the fact that you enjoyed the open day) Also is UniMelb's Physiotherapy course decent (I'm considering since its location is better than the former two)

3. I don't know if this is a good question to ask, but did the 'name' of Monash Uni play a part at all in you choosing to study there? I know in high school people like to choose unis based on the 'name' and prestige like UniMelb and I'm just wondering whether this should play a part for my own decision-making? And would future employers consider a Monash graduate to be more appealing than say an ACU or Latrobe graduate?


Thanks in advance for answering my questions!!! I appreciate it!
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on August 05, 2017, 06:50:55 pm
Hi! I have a lot of questions to ask, hopefully they aren't too dumb...
Hi! Not a problem. There's no such thing as a dumb question :) I really apologise for the messy response haha

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1. Is the job avalability for physiotherapists decent in Victoria (Western suburbs to be specific)? Is it normal or better to have to specialise after doing the base course in Physiotherapy?
From what I know, the job market for physiotherapists is quite good. It's always a profession that's in demand, and the great thing is there's so many places you can work - hospitals, private practice, community health centres, sporting clubs, etc. :) More and more, physios are becoming one of the primary contact practitioners in healthcare, and their important role in healthcare is being increasingly acknowledged, so it's definitely a career that you can take places, and will be able to get a job in.
I'm not too sure about the specific market in the Western suburbs, but I'm sure it's not too different to the rest of the state. I personally don't know of anyone who has struggled immensely to find a job after graduating.

In terms of specialising - a lot of people tend to go back and do post-grad qualifications as they find that they have a particular interest in a certain area. Some roles, such as being an Emergency Department Physiotherapist, or a Sports Physiotherapist, will usually require post-grad qualifications (generally Masters) for you to be able to work in that role.
So yes, if you want to work in a specific field of physiotherapy that tends to require a specialisation course, then you're obviously better off to go and do post-grad qualifications.
That being said, it's not actually a requirement that you go do specialisation once you've completed your course. Having a Bachelor of Physiotherapy qualifies you to be a fully registered physio, and you can easily continue working with that base degree, or you can opt to pursue some extra training in the future. :)
This is something that you get talked to about more as you get into the later years of your degree and into placement. But specialisation is definitely not a decision that needs to be made straight after you finish uni or anything, you can take as much time as you want to think about it.

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2. I've heard that Latrobe offers better health courses in general over other unis, how come you opted to choose Monash in the end? (Other than the fact that you enjoyed the open day) Also is UniMelb's Physiotherapy course decent (I'm considering since its location is better than the former two)
Yes, La Trobe has a good reputation for its health science courses, as it was the original uni (It started as the Lincoln Institute of Health Sciences) that offered health science courses in Victoria. It has the longest running physiotherapy course in the state, iirc, and has a very good sport and exercise medicine research centre.
I chose Monash though, for a number of reasons:
- I hated the La Trobe campus, and all of the students and staff I talked to seemed disinterested and just generally didn't give me good vibes. Maybe this was just who they got to help on Open Day, but who knows. I just really didn't like the vibe of the place at all, and (also from stories from people I know going there) it seemed incredibly impersonal.
- I chose Monash because La Trobe run the "core first year" for almost all of their health science courses, so I wouldn't really have been studying anything physio related in my first year, and that didn't appeal to me. -> This was probably one of the biggest contributing factors for me. I was super keen to just get in and start physio-related stuff from day one, so the Monash course appealed to me a lot more.
- Monash run an integrated course - that is, you study the equivalent of 4 units within 1 unit. This means everything you study is linked to each other, integrated, and very systematic. Things don't jump around like they do at the unis that offer the traditional 4 units per semester structure.
- I spoke to some Monash physio students when I did work experience at my local hospital - they enjoyed the course, were really personable, and were incredibly switched on people. Related to this, I talked to students at the Open Day, and they gave me awesome vibes. Really happy to chat, really knowledgeable, and really passionate.
- Location - the location of the Monash campus was a lot more convenient for me, and it's just a nicer campus in general.
- My family work at a hospital, so I got the opportunity to chat to some of the physios there - they said when they had students come on placement, the Monash ones consistently had better clinical reasoning skills, and were generally more competent and ready to get involved.

Some of these may just be coincidental and due to the type of people I met. But I definitely have no regrets choosing Monash. It's an awesome degree and I have no doubt it's equipping me with the skills to be a great physio :)

In terms of UniMelb - definitely a good course. I didn't particularly consider it, as I wanted to do physio as an undergraduate degree, but UniMelb have some great staff there running the course, and they've been running their physio program for a while too. They also have a great research centre at the uni. If you don't mind the fact that your degree will take a few extra years, and it's really convenient for you, then definitely consider doing it. But I don't feel like I'm in a position to tell you to definitely consider, or not consider, a certain course.

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3. I don't know if this is a good question to ask, but did the 'name' of Monash Uni play a part at all in you choosing to study there? I know in high school people like to choose unis based on the 'name' and prestige like UniMelb and I'm just wondering whether this should play a part for my own decision-making? And would future employers consider a Monash graduate to be more appealing than say an ACU or Latrobe graduate?
Great thing about physio is that the requirements for the course to be endorsed (that is, to allow the graduates of the course to become registered physiotherapists) means that no matter which uni you go to, you're essentially learning the same skills. There's not a heap of difference in terms of the things you learn, just in the way the content is delivered and the staff who deliver it. This means that the job you get at the end of your degree is not going to be because of the uni you went to - everyone is on an equal footing, and I'm yet to hear of an employer that only accepts graduates from a certain uni. It just doesn't happen.

The "name" of Monash didn't play any part in me making my decision. I put Monash as my first preference because of the merits of the course, not the prestige of the uni. I was actually considering putting Charles Sturt Uni (in Albury) as my top preference for a while, and the reason I didn't was simply because I decided I wanted to live in Melbourne for a few years, having grown up in country Victoria. :)

Definitely don't make prestige the reason you pick a uni. It won't matter in physio, so please make sure the reason you chose a course is because you like the actual course.
Like I said above, employers care about the "B. Physio" on your resume, not the uni it was received from. They care more about your clinical skills, and ability to be a good healthcare practitioner, rather than the place you learned those skills at.
You can be sure that no matter which uni you go to, you're gonna get some pretty good educators, so no stress. :)


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Thanks in advance for answering my questions!!! I appreciate it!
No worries!

If you have any further questions, or would like some clarification, please don't hesitate to ask. :D
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: onrainydays on August 05, 2017, 09:33:26 pm
Hi onrainydays! Thanks so much for popping by and asking a question :) Apologies if none of this makes sense haha

At La Trobe, the clearly in tends to be higher, usually around 97ish (but let's be honest, probably a majority of people get less than this, I know of people who got in with ATARs in the lower 90s). Monash has the interview, so the ATAR needed tends to be a bit lower - the Monash Guarantee for physio is 86, and I think the lowest ATAR of someone who got an offer last year was 86.2 (according to the website). There are certainly plenty of people in my course who scored in the lower 90's range :)
The great thing about having the interview requirement as well as ATAR means you get put on a bit more of a level playing field with other applicants. Haven't really spoken about ATARs that much with people, but I do know people that got high 80s and got into the course, as well as people who got around the high 90s and didn't (hope this doesn't make anyone apprehensive of the interview - it's not complex and in my opinion, is really great, as scoring a really high ATAR doesn't mean you necessarily have aptitude for a course :) ).

If you're thinking about doing physio at uni, definitely put it down. In my opinion, Monash has a great course, and a better campus than La Trobe, but please make your own opinions as well :P I'm sure you'll be able to get the ATAR required! You also have things such as SEAS that can help you out. And also, even if worst case scenario, you don't get in, you can start another course then transfer across - I know a number of people who have done this :)

A tad off topic, but I'd also recommend coming to the upcoming open day! It's on Saturday the 5th of August at Peninsula, from 10am-3pm I think, but there'll also be info at Clayton on Sunday the 6th of August. The open day is really great for checking out the campus, and having a chat to the staff (who are awesome) - honestly, it was the reason I decided on Monash over La Trobe :)

It's also worth noting, if you're really set on doing physio at uni, consider applying interstate as well - I know that the University of Canberra usually has a lower ATAR requirement, and also, applying to more places increases your chances of getting in.

THANKYOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR REPLY!! :DD
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: onrainydays on August 05, 2017, 09:34:33 pm
Welcome to ATAR Notes, onrainydays! :))

Thank you Joseph41! :D
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: thuynh on August 08, 2017, 08:19:34 pm
HEYY ! I'm just wondering if you ever considered osteopathy or know much about it.... I heard that it is a rising profession too !

Also how many students are in your physio cohort ? Do you know how what the chances are roughly to get into Monash physio and la Trobe?

:)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: thelolcat on August 09, 2017, 04:27:06 pm
Hey K888, thanks for the reply! It really helped, I also went to the Monash open day to have a look at the physic stand but too bad it was very crowded and small. Anyways, I also wanted to ask about more things if that's cool!

1. Is it more common for physiotherapists to be working in hospitals for perhaps the rehab faculty, or more so in private establishments at like physio+pilates centres? Also, adding on to the former part of the q, do most hospitals have a department for physiotherapists to work in?

2. The ATAR for B. physio is quite high, so if you didn't manage to get the required ATAR/didn't manage to get in the course, what would you have gone with? What about OT? (I'm assuming that you were looking at the health science side of things as I am right now... guess I just want some recommendations for a backup course.)

Thanks once again! Tbh I'll probs hit you with some more Q's later if that's fine hahah

Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on August 09, 2017, 05:12:44 pm
HEYY ! I'm just wondering if you ever considered osteopathy or know much about it.... I heard that it is a rising profession too !
Hi there! I do know about osteopathy, however I never considered doing it. Whilst osteopathy is a growing field, physios have a much larger scope of practice (i.e. physios work in hospitals, private practice, occupational health, etc. etc. whereas osteopaths are concentrated in private practice), are much more widely recognised and trusted, and I'm personally not about the large focus placed on manual therapy by osteopathy. I'm also not so keen on it due to its comparative lack of evidence behind practice - there's just nowhere near as much evidence behind it as there is with physiotherapy. Not here to debate about what's better though, just will say that I personally never had any interest in it. :)

If you're curious about it, it's worth doing some research and reading. Maybe also go have a chat to a local physiotherapist and osteopath to gain their thoughts in order to help inform you.

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Also how many students are in your physio cohort ? Do you know how what the chances are roughly to get into Monash physio and la Trobe?
In terms of my cohort - would say there's about 130? Maybe a few more? They increased the size of the cohort for us this year, but it's still not huge.
In terms of chances - I guess you mean like how many people applied, vs how many people got in? To be honest, I have absolutely no idea. That's probably a question better asked of your careers advisor, or perhaps they publish statistics about that stuff on the uni websites :) It is a competitive course, though, although definitely not impossible to get into.





Hey K888, thanks for the reply! It really helped, I also went to the Monash open day to have a look at the physic stand but too bad it was very crowded and small. Anyways, I also wanted to ask about more things if that's cool!
Hi! Not a problem at all. Did you go to the Clayton open day? Unfortunately, because the course isn't based at Clayton, you don't get to see the facilities, or get a chance to have a detailed talk with the teaching staff and students, which is a shame.
If you're really interested, it would be worth it contacting the faculty and asking if you could perhaps come in and check out the place and have a chat to some staff - I don't know their policy surrounding this, but I imagine it would be able to happen!

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1. Is it more common for physiotherapists to be working in hospitals for perhaps the rehab faculty, or more so in private establishments at like physio+pilates centres? Also, adding on to the former part of the q, do most hospitals have a department for physiotherapists to work in?
Would have to have a look at the statistics released by APA for sure, but I believe there are more hospital physios than private practice physios by a reasonable amount. Think I read somewhere that the statistics was like a 60-65% vs 40-35% split? Unsure though.
If you think about it - there's heaps of hospitals, with large allied health departments that employ a lot of people, vs scattered privated practices that employ a few physios. It's not a massive difference, but there is a difference. But really, you can go work in whichever side of physio you want, the statistics don't have to dictate what you do. :)

In hospitals - physios work in the allied health department (working in conjunction with OTs, speech pathologists, dieticians, prosthetists, etc.). They do a lot of rehab, but also work in things like fracture management, injury assessment, managing cardiorespiratory conditions, discharge planning (assessing if someone is safe to go home or not), etc. So much of what physios do is focused on getting patients up and mobile, helping them adjust to any life changes, and helping them improve quality of life. Pretty awesome.

I couldn't recommend going and checking out the allied health department at a hospital if you can - usually, they're pretty happy to facilitate student interest in allied health!
If you can do work experience there, even better! It gives you a great insight into how things run, what the job is really like, etc. :)

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2. The ATAR for B. physio is quite high, so if you didn't manage to get the required ATAR/didn't manage to get in the course, what would you have gone with? What about OT? (I'm assuming that you were looking at the health science side of things as I am right now... guess I just want some recommendations for a backup course.)
Hmmm, difficult question. To be honest, I didn't really have any plan other than "do physio" haha. I applied to all the physio courses with lower ATAR requirements as contingency plans, but I'm not too sure what I would have done if I didn't get in. Probably would have started a different course, then looked to transfer ASAP.

I believe I put down prosthetics as my next preference after all the physio courses in VTAC, so I would be doing that if I didn't get physio. Quite intrinsically linked with physio, and a pretty awesome field of work. :)
My other allied health option would probably have been OT, but I was never particularly interested in it. Other things to consider are speech pathology, audiology, dietetics, etc. but it depends on what you're interested in.

And I think paramedicine was like, my last preference - moreso because I was also interested in that side of things too, so could picture myself potentially doing it.

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Thanks once again! Tbh I'll probs hit you with some more Q's later if that's fine hahah
Not a problem! Always happy to answer any questions :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: thelolcat on August 10, 2017, 03:59:37 pm
Once again cheers for the reply! Few questions to ask again too.. Haha

1. Did the average salary level for being a Physiotherapy play much of a role in deciding to do it? I know interest in the course is of paramount importance over the money - but at the end if the day the money still is significant. So I'm just wondering what you were thinking on this when you chose to do it?

2. I've been researching a bit about physios, and I've read that the more older physios tend to suffer aches here and there, which I'm assuming is due to constant practice of Physiotherapy? The stuff I've seen in this is a bit vague too so I don't know how much credibility this has, what do you think?

Thanks in advance (again...) :D

Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on August 11, 2017, 07:48:33 pm
Once again cheers for the reply! Few questions to ask again too.. Haha

1. Did the average salary level for being a Physiotherapy play much of a role in deciding to do it? I know interest in the course is of paramount importance over the money - but at the end if the day the money still is significant. So I'm just wondering what you were thinking on this when you chose to do it?
Nope. Don't think I considered the salary for a physio once when contemplating what I'd do. Plus, physios don't exactly get paid bucketloads of money haha. Whilst I definitely value financial stability, pay was not something I looked at. I wanted to make sure I was going into physio for the right reasons - I worked my butt off to get in so I could use my skills to help people improve their lives, so I could learn about the human body, and so I could do something where I have the chance to have an impact on health.

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2. I've been researching a bit about physios, and I've read that the more older physios tend to suffer aches here and there, which I'm assuming is due to constant practice of Physiotherapy? The stuff I've seen in this is a bit vague too so I don't know how much credibility this has, what do you think?
Hmm, yeah, physio is definitely an intensive job, and you use your body (particularly your hands) a lot! It's why from day one they have been teaching us about proper handling and safety, because you can't help people if you're not in good health yourself :) If you don't look after yourself whilst practicing, for sure you're gonna develop some problems further down the line - that's not to say every single physio who practices will have health issues, though.
It's like with any job, though - a person who has a 9-5 desk job will likely experience low back pain from sitting all day (and a myriad of other things). A paramedic might have dodgy knees or a dodgy back, from lifting patients. Maybe a chef will get bad wrists from using a knife all day. You've just gotta look after yourself, and you'll be fine. :) Can guarantee you that it's not the case that every physio has to retire by the age of 45 from wear and tear haha. It's certainly not the most physically intensive job out there, so don't stress.
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: thelolcat on August 19, 2017, 09:19:40 pm
Yeah I think I might want to do Physiotherapy, but then again the benchmark is quite high and to be completely honest I don't think I can hit that ATAR either. I do have an interest in this course but it's not hundred percent though, however I know I don't have much interest in areas like engineering, commerce, business or science (most) too. Other than that, both campuses for physio that I'm considering are two hours away (Monash/Latrobe) and the closest would be Melbourne but the process is tedious since I'd have to take the b. Science first before Specialising I think.

Anyway thanks for the reply and information about physio K888!
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on August 20, 2017, 11:02:54 pm
Yeah I think I might want to do Physiotherapy, but then again the benchmark is quite high and to be completely honest I don't think I can hit that ATAR either. I do have an interest in this course but it's not hundred percent though, however I know I don't have much interest in areas like engineering, commerce, business or science (most) too. Other than that, both campuses for physio that I'm considering are two hours away (Monash/Latrobe) and the closest would be Melbourne but the process is tedious since I'd have to take the b. Science first before Specialising I think.

Anyway thanks for the reply and information about physio K888!
Not a problem! :)

Definitely don't stress about your ATAR - I didn't even think I'd get over a 90 before results were released, and ended up getting into the 97s! Plus, with SEAS and access schemes offered by unis, it gives you a better chance. Don't let the ATAR of a course put you off - there's always ways around it, plus why not give it a shot? You can always put other courses with lower entry requirements further down your preference list. :)

In terms of location - have you considered living on campus? This is what I'm doing, as I grew up over 2 hours from any university, and I'd really recommend it!

Honestly, it's completely normal to not really know what you want to do, and it's perfectly fine! In terms of UniMelb - maybe studying a more generalised degree first would help you decide a bit more clearly on what you want to do? Realistically, it's only an extra one or two years - not a lot in the grand scheme of things, and you might be thankful for the extra bit of life experience before picking a specialised course. :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: thelolcat on August 27, 2017, 02:59:03 pm
Yeah I'll have to wait until my ATAR comes out to see how things turn out, so yeah haha, thanks again! If you don't mind, could I PM you sometime when I need to ask a few more Q's? Ty!
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on August 27, 2017, 03:03:39 pm
Yeah I'll have to wait until my ATAR comes out to see how things turn out, so yeah haha, thanks again! If you don't mind, could I PM you sometime when I need to ask a few more Q's? Ty!
Not a problem! Always happy to help.

Feel free to PM if you have any questions you don't feel comfortable asking here, but I'd also love it if you could post most of your questions here, as that way my responses will hopefully help out even more people! :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: thelolcat on September 02, 2017, 03:24:25 pm
Oh I see, no worries and with that being said - is it a good idea to transfer from b science at Melbourne into their physio program? I've heard that it can be difficult to transfer successfully since it requires top straight A kind marks in order to do so. Also you are allowed to change course preferences after the ATAR comes out and also after your initial submission with VTAC right?
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: Sine on September 02, 2017, 05:11:38 pm
Oh I see, no worries and with that being said - is it a good idea to transfer from b science at Melbourne into their physio program? I've heard that it can be difficult to transfer successfully since it requires top straight A kind marks in order to do so. Also you are allowed to change course preferences after the ATAR comes out and also after your initial submission with VTAC right?
yup you can change course prefs after ATARs come out :)


Yeah I think I might want to do Physiotherapy, but then again the benchmark is quite high and to be completely honest I don't think I can hit that ATAR either. I do have an interest in this course but it's not hundred percent though, however I know I don't have much interest in areas like engineering, commerce, business or science (most) too. Other than that, both campuses for physio that I'm considering are two hours away (Monash/Latrobe) and the closest would be Melbourne but the process is tedious since I'd have to take the b. Science first before Specialising I think.

Anyway thanks for the reply and information about physio K888!
I'm not doing physio so not the best person to be answering this but I've had friends and known others who haven't quite made it into physio/changed their mind so they ended up transferring after a year in science @ monash. Generally they ask for a 70WAM to be considered . Some of the people's WAMs who transferred were relatively high however others just creeped in with low 70's so it is definitely a posssibility if you don't make it on the first go.
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on September 02, 2017, 11:51:45 pm
Oh I see, no worries and with that being said - is it a good idea to transfer from b science at Melbourne into their physio program? I've heard that it can be difficult to transfer successfully since it requires top straight A kind marks in order to do so.
Well, it's definitely gonna be competitive - there's only a limited number of spots in the course after all! :) Don't write yourself off though - have faith in your abilities, work hard, and you'll be fine.
There are several people in my course though, that didn't get into the Melbourne or La Trobe post-grad courses because of marks or whatever - not sure of the specifics :) So yeah, I'd just have it in the back of your mind that you need to be switched on during your undergrad degree if you choose to do physio post-grad, but definitely don't let that discourage you. 

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Also you are allowed to change course preferences after the ATAR comes out and also after your initial submission with VTAC right?
Just a +1 to what Sine said - yeah, you can change your course preferences before and after ATARs are released, before and after offers are released, etc etc. If you scroll down on the page in this link, you'll see the change of preference dates. If you have more questions about the specifics of VTAC - I'd really recommend having a chat to your careers advisor at school :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: thelolcat on September 04, 2017, 08:08:24 pm
Cheers! Yeh I might be considering physio at Melb just because of location, but the thing that doesn't appeal to me is that I think it takes 6 years in total - 3 yrs for b science and 3 yrs for physio; as opposed to spending 4 years at LT or Monash in spite of the inconvenient location...

Btw, just out of sheer curiosity, what is the ethnic demographic like for physio at Monash? Secondly, I checked the physio ATAR guarantee at Monash and it turns out to be like 86?? Just wanted to double check as its lower than I had imagined. Thanks!
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on September 04, 2017, 09:54:15 pm
Cheers! Yeh I might be considering physio at Melb just because of location, but the thing that doesn't appeal to me is that I think it takes 6 years in total - 3 yrs for b science and 3 yrs for physio; as opposed to spending 4 years at LT or Monash in spite of the inconvenient location...

Btw, just out of sheer curiosity, what is the ethnic demographic like for physio at Monash? Secondly, I checked the physio ATAR guarantee at Monash and it turns out to be like 86?? Just wanted to double check as its lower than I had imagined. Thanks!
RE: demographic - honestly, couldn't tell you 100% haha but it's a mix of Aussies and Internationals. Definitely majority Aussies, but also a reasonable proportion of Internationals. :)

And 86 is for the Monash Guarantee - which is different to the clearly-in ATAR. The Monash Guarantee is for people who have experienced financial disadvantage, live in a low socio-economic area, are an Indigenous Australian, or attend an under-represented school.
It's sort of like Monash's own SEAS thing, and it's a uni-wide thing :) In a nutshell, the clearly-in ATAR for the people who qualify for the Monash Guarantee is lower, because they recognise that these factors can disadvantage you compared to the people who haven't experienced those circumstances.
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: MuffinMan on September 10, 2017, 10:55:21 pm
Hello! Not sure if it's too late to ask, but just a quick question. (two actually)
I know that physio and sports are interlinked, but do you have to be good at sports to do physiotherapy?
Also with the heavy workload, are there actually people 'failing' the course? Or is it just intense but generally manageable?
Thank you in advance! :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on September 10, 2017, 11:35:07 pm
Hello! Not sure if it's too late to ask, but just a quick question. (two actually)
Hi there! Not too late at all - always happy to answer questions :D

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I know that physio and sports are interlinked, but do you have to be good at sports to do physiotherapy?
Haha, absolutely not. Like, the only time you're involved in sports as a physio is if you choose to work in that area once you graduate, and even then, you're not the one participating in it! It's also a bit of a misconception that physios purely work in sport - realistically, it's such a tiny amount of what you can do as a physio, and not a huge percentage of physios work in sport - most work in hospitals, rehab, private practice, etc!
Like sure, a lot of people in my cohort are sporty people, but I think that's more to do with the fact that they've had injuries through playing sport, and their experiences with physios have inspired them to follow that career path.
But yeah, literally no sport involved with the course. We don't have to slam dunk a basketball to pass our exams haha.

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Also with the heavy workload, are there actually people 'failing' the course? Or is it just intense but generally manageable?
Thank you in advance! :)
Can only speak for my cohort and not for other unis, but I think the latter is more accurate. I know that some people will fail each semester, but it's only a handful of people - it's a tough workload, but if you're dedicated, and you want to be there, it's manageable :) I was speaking to my unit coordinator about this last semester, actually - he said it's a tough course, but the average mark for the semester tends to always be around 70, which is like, really good - so I guess that says something about the academic abilities of the cohort, and also the dedication of people to do well. You have to work hard, but it's definitely not a course set up to make you fail.

Hope this helped! Let me know if you want any clarification. :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: MuffinMan on September 11, 2017, 09:06:10 am
That cleared things up a lot.
Thanks for your time! This has been extremely helpful :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: ilikenoodlez on September 23, 2018, 12:44:45 am
helloo, i'm planning on doing physio at uni next year but the main turn off for me is the 65k avg salary and the fact that it peaks at around 80k even after 10+ years of working. i heard that there's heaps of opportunity to earn more, but how reliable is this information, as in how realistic is it to be able to earn more than this? i'm not 100% set on physio yet, but it's what i found most appealing of the courses i've searched, but honestly im not sure if i'd be happy to earn this much considering how competitive it is to get into physio
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: Sine on September 23, 2018, 02:06:52 am
helloo, i'm planning on doing physio at uni next year but the main turn off for me is the 65k avg salary and the fact that it peaks at around 80k even after 10+ years of working. i heard that there's heaps of opportunity to earn more, but how reliable is this information, as in how realistic is it to be able to earn more than this? i'm not 100% set on physio yet, but it's what i found most appealing of the courses i've searched, but honestly im not sure if i'd be happy to earn this much considering how competitive it is to get into physio
I don't know much about the salaries but I guess a 60-80k average means that if you are actually a really good physio you might be able to earn closer to 100-120k which isn't too bad (I've seen these numbers thrown around elsewhere).

I think it's important that you have a think about exactly why you want to do physiotherapy because I'm sure there are plenty of students doing/wanting to do physio regardless of how much they earn (within reason of course). With this reflection you might be able to work out a career  balancing the earning/competitiveness that you are worried about; although my personal opinion that this aspect of choosing a course isn't important.
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: smamsmo22 on September 23, 2018, 05:31:05 pm
Hi,

Possible future physio student here (:

I was just wondering what your hours are like each week at uni?? In terms of contact hours yes but more-so how long are you there each day? (If each day?) Is it as time consuming as going to school for 8 hours, 5 days a week, or different? What's the prospect of fitting in part time work, etc? I don't mind working hard and I want to do a challenging course, but I don't really like the stressy, competitive atmosphere of VCE..
Also, I read that you live on campus, so you may not be able to answer from personal experience, but you probably would have some idea from people who live more inner city; do you know what the drive's like every day from inner Melbourne to Frankston? Nightmare traffic?

Thanks!!
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on September 24, 2018, 05:54:57 pm
Hi,

Possible future physio student here (:

I was just wondering what your hours are like each week at uni?? In terms of contact hours yes but more-so how long are you there each day? (If each day?) Is it as time consuming as going to school for 8 hours, 5 days a week, or different? What's the prospect of fitting in part time work, etc? I don't mind working hard and I want to do a challenging course, but I don't really like the stressy, competitive atmosphere of VCE..
Also, I read that you live on campus, so you may not be able to answer from personal experience, but you probably would have some idea from people who live more inner city; do you know what the drive's like every day from inner Melbourne to Frankston? Nightmare traffic?

Thanks!!
Hey! First of all - good luck!

So, re: hours - contact hours are variable. You have the most in first year - 20+ish as I said in the OP, but it decreases as you go through the course. It's not as time consuming as going to school - there's some days that are longer than a school day with travel and class and breaks between classes factored in, but that's not every single day. I definitely have more free time than I did going to high school. How much time you spend at uni outside of class is up to you - I know people who like to stay after class and spend a bit of time in the library, then there's others who just go home after class. I wish I could give you a more concrete answer but it really depends on the person haha.

It's definitely possible to fit in part-time work on the side - even if you mostly just work weekends. I've been working Tuesday and Thursday nights and Saturdays with my sports training job with no problems, and the majority of people I know in my course also have a part-time job going. I'd say that maybe first semester it's a bit hard to work a lot because you're settling into uni, but I honestly have found that I have a lot more time for work now I'm in uni compared to when I was in high school.

The great thing as well is that it's not a competitive atmosphere. Everyone in my course is super friendly and always helping each other out - it's so much better than high school, I can't even describe how much better it is lol.

Re: driving, the majority of people in my course commute, and some even come from the Western suburbs each day. One of my friends drives from the North Eastern suburbs every day and she has a better attendance than all of us who live a lot closer haha. I think it's very do-able, like even from somewhere like St Kilda to Frankston is only a 45ish minute drive? I think in peak hour it probably wouldn't be great but I think coming to uni in the morning would be pretty decent. If class finishes at a bad time to drive you can always stay back at the library for a bit.

Have you been to check out the campus? Did you come to open day? :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: smamsmo22 on September 24, 2018, 07:00:01 pm
No, unfortunately I didn't get to open day as it clashed with another commitment so I haven't seen the Peninsula campus. What's it like?
I did go to Clayton's open day and spoke to a Physio student briefly there (:
Are you at uni every day for the course? (mon-fri I mean)

Sorry for all the random questions, uni preference cut offs are getting closer and I've changed mine many times :/
In general, have you enjoyed the course? I know that's such a general and subjective question, but I've been weighing up Monash v LTU (if you have any additional opinions/ knowledge about comparing the two apart from what you've said earlier feel free to let me know aha) and also other allied health/medical degrees, and the more info I get, the better, I guess. Sports physio has always been, and still is, a massive interest of mine but I know and have been told many times that the scope of physio is much, much wider and most people don't end up in sports physio. I have looked into other aspects of the profession, of course, but I still think my passions lie towards sports physio. How realistic is becoming a sports physio (I'm talking more private practice), and does it require additional study etc? I know you haven't graduated yet, but any info is helpful I guess

Thanks so much !!!!
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on September 24, 2018, 07:53:22 pm
No, unfortunately I didn't get to open day as it clashed with another commitment so I haven't seen the Peninsula campus. What's it like?
I did go to Clayton's open day and spoke to a Physio student briefly there (:
Are you at uni every day for the course? (mon-fri I mean)

Sorry for all the random questions, uni preference cut offs are getting closer and I've changed mine many times :/
In general, have you enjoyed the course? I know that's such a general and subjective question, but I've been weighing up Monash v LTU (if you have any additional opinions/ knowledge about comparing the two apart from what you've said earlier feel free to let me know aha) and also other allied health/medical degrees, and the more info I get, the better, I guess. Sports physio has always been, and still is, a massive interest of mine but I know and have been told many times that the scope of physio is much, much wider and most people don't end up in sports physio. I have looked into other aspects of the profession, of course, but I still think my passions lie towards sports physio. How realistic is becoming a sports physio (I'm talking more private practice), and does it require additional study etc? I know you haven't graduated yet, but any info is helpful I guess

Thanks so much !!!!
I'm a huge fan of the campus - it's really peaceful, easy to navigate, and doesn't have heaps of students so you can always get a seat at the library and it just creates a more laid-back atmosphere. If you wanna have a look around I'd recommend making the trip down and just having a look around! I think they actually have a guided tour tomorrow (info here) or I reckon if you get in contact with the campus they might even be happy to arrange a tour or something at some stage. Would really recommend having a look if you're considering coming here!!

In first year, yeah I had classes every day. But I think from memory Thursdays (and sometimes Tuesdays I think) were all lectures so, y'know, not compulsory to attend. And it's only a couple of hours. Monday is usually the busiest (with lectures, CBL and prac) but the rest of the week is reasonably chill - you might have like, one prac and one or two lectures. Now I'm in second year I have Tuesdays off and have less lectures and stuff so I have a reasonably chilled schedule.

I'll cover Monash vs LTU first. From speaking to a number of physios, the Monash course seems to produce better physio students/physios, particularly with clinical reasoning abilities. Monash is really well regarded and I've found that there's a heap of support provided by the uni in the course and the teachign staff is fantastic. The cohort is also smaller at Monash than LTU, so it's a bit easier to get to know people. Plus, LTU have the common first year for health science students so you really only have 3 years to study physio-specific stuff as opposed to 4 years (and the Monash course is a lot more streamlined in terms of what you study). I know of a few students in years above me who have started at LTU then decided the Monash course was a lot better so transferred.

In the end, I think you really can only know what it's gonna be like if you actually do it! If you start something and find that it's not for you, then at least you've tried. Whilst it's cool if you can find your dream course on the first shot, it's also fine if it takes you a few tries. :)

Re: sports physio - yeah, the majority of the physio workforce is in hospitals, but that's because of the nature of what physio is. If you wanna get into sports physio, then follow that path! It's not impossible to do, and a number of physios do finish their degree and go straight into private practice then go on to specialise. I think most physios these days do further study once they've graduated (you don't have to do it straight away) so it's not abnormal. To become like, an APA titled physio in x field, yeah you will need to do further study - but they tell you more about that later in your degree as you get towards graduating. I think a lot of people go into physio wanting to do sports physio because that's the contact they've had with physio before uni. But often people find they're interested in other stuff as they go through the course, and the great thing is that you get an insight through your education into the different areas of physio.

Ultimately, if that's what you want to do when you graduate, then do that. :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: smamsmo22 on September 25, 2018, 09:13:04 am
That sounds good.
In terms of social life etc, is the physio cohort pretty disconnected from the rest of Monash, being at Peninsula? Are there still groups and societies etc; are they separate from the Monash-wide ones or not? Generally, is the social aspect of the course pretty good?
Thanks for answering all these questions (:
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on September 25, 2018, 12:08:29 pm
That sounds good.
In terms of social life etc, is the physio cohort pretty disconnected from the rest of Monash, being at Peninsula? Are there still groups and societies etc; are they separate from the Monash-wide ones or not? Generally, is the social aspect of the course pretty good?
Thanks for answering all these questions (:
Not a problem - always happy to help :)

Honestly, I think social life is what you make it to be. Yeah, you're more disconnected from the students who are at Clayton purely because you're at a different campus, but there's also other students who go to Peninsula, so you're not all on your lonesome. You can still join the societies that are mainly based at Clayton, and there's also some societies that are based at Peninsula.

The social aspect of the course is pretty good - everyone's really nice and it's easy to make friends, and there's events like AXPs (after exam parties) and the annual physio ball (all organised by the physio society) if you're interested :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: shafiayy01 on September 25, 2018, 10:52:37 pm
Hi, in uni i would love to do exercise physiology, i know this is not your field, but could you give me a bit of an idea of:
i. what sydney unis you think are better at this course. usyd? unsw? what do you think of uow for this course?
ii. the job prospect? rising? I want to do clinical exercise physiology.

Thanks,
saf.
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on October 05, 2018, 02:41:54 pm
Hi, in uni i would love to do exercise physiology, i know this is not your field, but could you give me a bit of an idea of:
i. what sydney unis you think are better at this course. usyd? unsw? what do you think of uow for this course?
ii. the job prospect? rising? I want to do clinical exercise physiology.

Thanks,
saf.
Hi there! Apologies for the delay in replying. I don't have a heap of info about exercise physiology so it may be better to contact one of the unis or maybe talk to an exercise physiologist in your area :)

As far as I know, all the courses will be reasonably similar, and I think you have to do a Masters to become an Accredited Exercise Physiologist. All these courses will be pretty much the same because they have to meet certain criteria so that you can be registered upon the completion of your degree.

The job prospect for EPs isn't as good as for physios, but I think it is expanding. They're becoming more widespread in hospitals (I believe traditionally they've more been in private practice and working at sports institutes and such) as more and more evidence comes out to support using exercise in medicine.

If it's what you want to do, have a crack at it! I hope this has helped a bit :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: civilraisin on October 29, 2018, 10:58:30 pm
Hi! Thank you so much for this thread, it's so informative and helpful.

I'm transferring into Monash physio next year if all goes well with my transfer application. I have a couple of questions about the course:
- Are there generally many mature-aged students / non school leavers in each cohort?
- In the placement part of the course, I'm guessing its like a placement rotation sort of thing - how long does each placement last for?
- How does the rural placement work? Are you posted to a place, and then you have to find short-term accommodation out there for the duration of the placement?

Thank you again for taking the time to answer all these questions!
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on October 30, 2018, 03:31:36 pm
Hi! Thank you so much for this thread, it's so informative and helpful.

I'm transferring into Monash physio next year if all goes well with my transfer application. I have a couple of questions about the course:
- Are there generally many mature-aged students / non school leavers in each cohort?
- In the placement part of the course, I'm guessing its like a placement rotation sort of thing - how long does each placement last for?
- How does the rural placement work? Are you posted to a place, and then you have to find short-term accommodation out there for the duration of the placement?

Thank you again for taking the time to answer all these questions!
Hey! Good luck - hopefully I'll see you around campus next year ;D

1 - yeah, there's a fair amount of people who have either completed a degree already or have transferred from another degree, so don't worry about that! There's a real mix of ages

2 - you get told more about placement towards the end of 2nd year, but basically placement happens in 5 week blocks

3 - again, you'll get given more details in 2nd year but you submit your preferences for where you'd like to go and you also put whether you need help organising accommodation - if you put yes, the uni helps you out heaps (hospitals generally have accommodation that they own for students/visiting healthcare professionals and you get a pretty cheap rate)

Wouldn't stress heaps about the details around placement - the uni basically does everything for you and you get told more about it when you're a bit further along in the course (placement doesn't happen until 3rd year) :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: smas.b on February 04, 2019, 04:20:47 pm
Hi!

I'm from NSW and am currently choosing between the Monash and WSU physiotherapy course. Do you think the integrated structure of the course has been beneficial in any way? Does it change how grades are calculated?

Thanks so much for making this thread - it has been very useful :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on February 05, 2019, 08:08:48 pm
Hi!

I'm from NSW and am currently choosing between the Monash and WSU physiotherapy course. Do you think the integrated structure of the course has been beneficial in any way? Does it change how grades are calculated?

Thanks so much for making this thread - it has been very useful :)
Yeah I've found the integrated way to make things much easier. I reckon assessments are better spaced, there's better coordination between lecturers and I think overall it results in less essays and stuff which is a big plus! I'm a big fan of it because it means everything is linked, so I find it much easier to understand and remember content.

It does change your grades - at Monash at least, you only get given one overall grade for the semester. I don't see this as an issue though because assessments are pretty fairly weighted. It also means you don't have to worry about doing calculations on how much you need for each subject to get your WAM to x number haha
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: lilhoo on February 05, 2019, 10:52:11 pm
Hey guys,
I'm set to start Physio at Monash his March! I was wondering if lectures are recorded? And I'm just wondering what the applied case based learning unit is?
Thank you so much
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on February 06, 2019, 11:02:10 am
Hey guys,
I'm set to start Physio at Monash his March! I was wondering if lectures are recorded? And I'm just wondering what the applied case based learning unit is?
Thank you so much
Hi! Congrats on getting in :)

Yes, lectures are definitely recorded.
CBL (case based learning) is something you do weekly throughout the degree. On a Monday morning you'll get the opening to a case study and have to work through the questions provided with your group. By the end of the session you'll have worked out your "learning issues" for the week - basically what you need to cover more in depth to understand more about the case (the learning issues are usually thinks like pathophysiology, physio management of the condition, etc.). Everyone has to do one of these things, you submit it by Thursday night and then on Friday afternoon you do the case closure. You get given more info about the case, present your learning issue to your small group (just the key points, don't go reading the whole thing word for word haha) and then now you have a better understanding you work through more questions.

CBL will be explained in more depth to you by the unit coordinator and the tutors, so don't worry :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: MrGenius on February 06, 2019, 11:17:39 am
Hi!
What is the "research self-directed activity" in the Thursday afternoon time slot? What do you do in it? Also about the textbooks, which ones do you think are essential/recommended for physio students?
Thank you for starting this thread as it has been extremely helpful!
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on February 06, 2019, 11:43:42 am
Hi!
What is the "research self-directed activity" in the Thursday afternoon time slot? What do you do in it? Also about the textbooks, which ones do you think are essential/recommended for physio students?
Thank you for starting this thread as it has been extremely helpful!

Research used to be an in person lecture when I was in first year then last year they just changed it to an online lecture that you do in your own time :) You learn about statistics and all that - perhaps not the most exciting but actually really important knowledge to have.

In terms of textbooks, the two most important ones to have are Brukner and Khan's Clinical Sports Medicine (this is your bible) and Moore's Clinically Oriented Anatomy. The rest you can get away with just borrowing from the library when you need them. :)
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: lilhoo on February 06, 2019, 05:16:05 pm
Hi! Congrats on getting in :)

Yes, lectures are definitely recorded.
CBL (case based learning) is something you do weekly throughout the degree. On a Monday morning you'll get the opening to a case study and have to work through the questions provided with your group. By the end of the session you'll have worked out your "learning issues" for the week - basically what you need to cover more in depth to understand more about the case (the learning issues are usually thinks like pathophysiology, physio management of the condition, etc.). Everyone has to do one of these things, you submit it by Thursday night and then on Friday afternoon you do the case closure. You get given more info about the case, present your learning issue to your small group (just the key points, don't go reading the whole thing word for word haha) and then now you have a better understanding you work through more questions.

CBL will be explained in more depth to you by the unit coordinator and the tutors, so don't worry :)
I was also wondering where and when we would be able to access recorded lectures? My timetable is so packed that I can't fit a time to do my Vicroads driving text  :( so I'm planning to skip the three lectures on thursday labelled "PTY1011_PE_S1_ON-CAMPUS
PHYSIOTHERAPY 1", would that be alright?
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on February 06, 2019, 05:21:41 pm
I was also wondering where and when we would be able to access recorded lectures? My timetable is so packed that I can't fit a time to do my Vicroads driving text  :( so I'm planning to skip the three lectures on thursday labelled "PTY1011_PE_S1_ON-CAMPUS
PHYSIOTHERAPY 1", would that be alright?
Yeah that's probably the best day to do it because attendance at lectures isn't compulsory. They'll explain more about using Moodle and such at orientation but on your unit Moodle page there will be a link to echo/learning capture/whatever is used to host the lecture recordings - you just click on that and select the lecture you want to watch (based on date and time of its scheduling). Lecture recordings are available pretty much straight away
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: MrGenius on February 12, 2019, 10:21:53 am
In terms of textbooks, the two most important ones to have are Brukner and Khan's Clinical Sports Medicine (this is your bible) and Moore's Clinically Oriented Anatomy. The rest you can get away with just borrowing from the library when you need them. :)

Would there be enough copies in the library for me to borrow especially in peak periods such as exam revision?
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on February 12, 2019, 10:58:46 am
Would there be enough copies in the library for me to borrow especially in peak periods such as exam revision?
Should be. If you're super concerned, just borrow them a week or two beforehand so that you have them before the rush. Otherwise (and I'm not sure if I've mentioned this), provided noone requests the specific book you have on loan, you can keep a book out on loan indefinitely. If no one has requested it, it'll just auto-renew, so there's nothing stopping you from borrowing some books at the start of semester and using them for the whole semester.
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: MiniMeTwo on March 02, 2020, 06:11:03 pm
I would not recommend doing Physiotherapy at LaTrobe. The teaching is subpar, you will have do general health science subjects first year and there is no official physiotherapy society. I would stay away from Latrobe Physio at all cost and go to Monash's physio course instead.
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: ritosno on August 14, 2020, 01:28:42 pm
Hi all, I have a few questions about studying physiotherapy in Australia.

Have any early offers ever been given out (anywhere in Australia) for an undergraduate physiotherapy course? I assume not as it's quota-managed, but have offers before the main offer round been made in the past for those who already have their ATARs?

Does anyone know the "best" physio university in Australia? I'm leaning towards UQ being my first choice, but that's just mostly due to the university's worldwide rankings. I'm curious as to the teaching at different unis though.

Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: Sine on August 14, 2020, 02:09:54 pm
Hi all, I have a few questions about studying physiotherapy in Australia.

Have any early offers ever been given out (anywhere in Australia) for an undergraduate physiotherapy course? I assume not as it's quota-managed, but have offers before the main offer round been made in the past for those who already have their ATARs?

Does anyone know the "best" physio university in Australia? I'm leaning towards UQ being my first choice, but that's just mostly due to the university's worldwide rankings. I'm curious as to the teaching at different unis though.
I am not too sure about early offers.

With regards to the "best" uni I don't think anyone can really say. For physio given it is a course which needs to fulfil professional accreditation and registration the universities basically teach the same things regardless of where you go. Some courses may be structured a little differently but in the end everyone is in the same position.
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on August 14, 2020, 03:13:03 pm
Hi all, I have a few questions about studying physiotherapy in Australia.

Have any early offers ever been given out (anywhere in Australia) for an undergraduate physiotherapy course? I assume not as it's quota-managed, but have offers before the main offer round been made in the past for those who already have their ATARs?

Does anyone know the "best" physio university in Australia? I'm leaning towards UQ being my first choice, but that's just mostly due to the university's worldwide rankings. I'm curious as to the teaching at different unis though.


Afaik there's not many places that do early offers. Some do conditional early offers (like La Trobe Uni through their Aspire program) but a lot of unis don't include physio in their early offer programs.

Sine is right in saying there's not a number one uni for the degree. Physio has really strict accreditation requirements so all courses across Australia are essentially the same - you have to learn the same stuff and do the same amount of placements. You'll have well known people in the teaching staff at all universities - often you'll find they've worked at several different unis. I'm biased because I go to Monash, but I've found the Monash course to be amazing and the teaching staff are fantastic.

IMO if wanting to study physio I wouldn't bother going off reputation of unis - it just doesn't matter which uni you go to and employers don't care. You're gonna get the same education wherever you go so might as well go somewhere that's convenient to get to and a place that you like.
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: ritosno on August 14, 2020, 05:49:26 pm
Okay thanks for the information, I was only asking about early offers because I'm getting bored at home haha, guess I'll just have to be patient :P And I'm not eligible for La Trobe Aspire as I didn't study Year 12 in Australia :/

And it's interesting that all the universities are basically the same, guess I won't fuss too much about which one accepts me (if any do at all). Monash's case based learning system sounds super interesting, definitely different to the way other universities do it.
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on August 14, 2020, 08:47:39 pm
Okay thanks for the information, I was only asking about early offers because I'm getting bored at home haha, guess I'll just have to be patient :P And I'm not eligible for La Trobe Aspire as I didn't study Year 12 in Australia :/

And it's interesting that all the universities are basically the same, guess I won't fuss too much about which one accepts me (if any do at all). Monash's case based learning system sounds super interesting, definitely different to the way other universities do it.
Yeah, if you're passionate about studying physio then you'll be pretty happy to be studying it anywhere haha. I guess one thing to consider is location - are you looking to move or do you want to stay close to where you live now. But that has nothing to do with the actual course :)

Yeah, CBL is interesting. When done well it can be a great learning opportunity and great way to apply knowledge (which is probably the most important thing, as you need to be able to apply your knowledge to real life when you go on placement).
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: ritosno on August 14, 2020, 09:10:13 pm
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are you looking to move or do you want to stay close to where you live now

I don't mind wherever tbh, I pretty much have to move out and stay where I'm studying in for 4 years (parents moving away) so again it depends on where I get accepted.

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Yeah, CBL is interesting. When done well it can be a great learning opportunity and great way to apply knowledge (which is probably the most important thing, as you need to be able to apply your knowledge to real life when you go on placement).

Yeah I've heard that said about CBL too, though I've also heard a lot (mostly from med students who I guess do more CBL than physio students) about it being a pain when not done well.
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: ritosno on August 29, 2020, 03:15:00 pm
So a few days ago I got an offer from Curtin University for the Bachelor of Science (Physiotherapy) course. Obviously I'm pretty psyched to already have an offer and am probably going to accept it (I have to accept it within 3 weeks) I just need to get a reply from the university as to what kind of offer it is. I'm still hoping for offers from universities a bit closer to me, but I'd be perfectly happy with going to Curtin.


So what do I do in the interim period of about 6 months? In a non-COVID time, I'd probably be trying to get a job or something like that, but that's probably not feasible right now. Is it recommended to start learning some anatomy now or anything along those lines? Because otherwise I'll just be bored for the next few months haha.
Title: Re: Physio Information & Question Thread
Post by: K888 on August 29, 2020, 04:04:28 pm
So a few days ago I got an offer from Curtin University for the Bachelor of Science (Physiotherapy) course. Obviously I'm pretty psyched to already have an offer and am probably going to accept it (I have to accept it within 3 weeks) I just need to get a reply from the university as to what kind of offer it is. I'm still hoping for offers from universities a bit closer to me, but I'd be perfectly happy with going to Curtin.


So what do I do in the interim period of about 6 months? In a non-COVID time, I'd probably be trying to get a job or something like that, but that's probably not feasible right now. Is it recommended to start learning some anatomy now or anything along those lines? Because otherwise I'll just be bored for the next few months haha.
I mean, I'd definitely still try to get a job. Potentially more difficult atm but definitely not impossible!
You could do some pre-learning for your own interest but really there's no need to get stuck into stuff before the course starts. Better to wait until uni officially starts and you have some direction.