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VCE Stuff => VCE Mathematics => VCE Mathematics/Science/Technology => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE Mathematical Methods CAS => Topic started by: Ahmad on November 12, 2007, 12:16:48 am
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Good luck guys! :wink:
Exam discussion goes here.
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Bit early, Ahmad. But nice enthusiasm. I like it. :P
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lol...
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i dont think im even going to make it to the exam at this rate. muust go to sleep!
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Lets hope this paper is going to be a good one :roll:
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Good luck everyone :) :D
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Yeah, best of luck people and I hope plenty of FSNers 100% this beast!! :D ;)
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TBH I started giving up after exam 1. I haven't studied at all since friday >_>;
My logic works like this: if i study so hard for two whole weeks for the first exam, which is suuposedly "easy" and I fail that, what is two days of studying for the second exam which is mega hard going to do...I fail anyway, right?
:D GL guys. Prepare to fail, Tanika ^_^
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It's not about failing, it's about the fact that you tried your best. If I tried my best, what ever I got, I'd accept. Good luck though! Try your best ;]
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It's not about failing, it's about the fact that you tried your best. If I tried my best, what ever I got, I'd accept. Good luck though! Try your best ;]
Exactly! :)
I was upset that I made a few mistakes on Exam 1, but I'm not worried as much any more. As long as you try your best, that's all you can do :)
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Good luck everyone, let's go and pwn that thing :D lol im not even studying anymore, i've given in to my myspace addiction :( anyway, just try your best, and be confident!
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Less than 2 hours to go.. :roll: :(
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Good luck everyone, let's go and pwn that thing :D lol im not even studying anymore, i've given in to my myspace addiction :( anyway, just try your best, and be confident!
Yeah, stupid MySpace and its addictiveness :P
MySpace me, lolz :P. http://myspace.com/daniel_1515
:D
Less than 2 hours to go.. :roll: :(
Yeah, and I'm sitting here wasting time on my laptop :lol:
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LOL sure thing daniel. let's feed that myspace addiction...THEN pwn the methods exam :twisted:
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Ah, well there is nothing much we can pretty much do now except wait.
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i didn't finish the exam.....
the last probability question.......damn........
I should've had started the short answer first
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It was hell difficult.
I think I've lost six marks.
One in multi choice, three in the area b/n log & e question, plus a couple of pessimistic ones.
Overall, much harder than last year. I suspect the state will struggle with this one.
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That was SUBSTANTIALLY easier than Exam 1. Was long, almost finished >.<.
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Very hard exam. Again VCAA can never get the difficulty right...
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That was SUBSTANTIALLY easier than Exam 1. Was long, almost finished >.<.
nope! I think exam one was easier.....
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That was SUBSTANTIALLY easier than Exam 1
Ha. Not really.
Multiple choice was good. Analysis was bloody hard. Only ones i couldn't do were the last two 2 mark ones. Hopefully ill still get working marks.
What do you guys think you can lose across both exams and still get 45?
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Well, we all have our strong/weak areas. <3 vcaa for choosing topics I could easily do.
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Terrible...
Did shit.
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WOW fuckkk that was GAY
no massive normal/markov analysis :(
i fucking forgot to restrict the domain on that cos graph (AND IT TOOK ME AGES TO PUT INTO MY CALCULATOR!!!!!!!)
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hmmm...i reckon ppl will be rite if they sorta get the first bit of each question, half the state wouldnt have known wat to do!!!!
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That was SUBSTANTIALLY easier than Exam 1
Ha. Not really.
Multiple choice was good. Analysis was bloody hard. Only ones i couldn't do were the last two 2 mark ones. Hopefully ill still get working marks.
What do you guys think you can lose across both exams and still get 45?
The only hard analysis problem i saw was that probablity question...that was a stinker.....The other four weren't too bad........
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(AND IT TOOK ME AGES TO PUT INTO MY CALCULATOR!!!!!!!)
Lmao yeah, took me like 6 attempts before it graphed properly >.<.
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the one with tasmania jones was fucked, i screwed up finding q and p which screwed me over for the next part = 5 marks down the drain
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Incidentally, what did everybody get for q and p?
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p=10 and q=1.5
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Incidentally, what did everybody get for q and p?
If i got answers with decimals for p and q, does that mean its wrong???
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i think p=10 and q=3/2 or sth
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Oh boy.
I left about 10-15 marks worth of extended answer questions unanswered. :lol:
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i think p=10 and q=3/2 or sth
Damn, then I got it wrong....
Approx how many people are we competing against in the state for methods by the way?? 5000? 10000?
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ahah that was funny. i think i got about 15/80. lol
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isnt there meant to be 4 analysis? this year 5!
and is so much harder than last yr.
overall i did ok,. i couldnt do MC Q5, unique solution of m? wtf does it mean???
and the last question. find the cubic polynomial fn. i did a(x-b)(x-c)(x-d)
i know the intercepts so i know b,c,d but not a :(
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isnt there meant to be 4 analysis? this year 5!
and is so much harder than last yr.
overall i did ok,. i couldnt do MC Q5, unique solution of m? wtf does it mean???
and the last question. find the cubic polynomial fn. i did a(x-b)(x-c)(x-d)
i know the intercepts so i know b,c,d but not a :(
I think there was 5 analysis because the questions were slightly more shorter...and because they wanted to make it more difficult due to the easier of last's year's exam...well, that's what I heard from a friend..
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isnt there meant to be 4 analysis? this year 5!
and is so much harder than last yr.
overall i did ok,. i couldnt do MC Q5, unique solution of m? wtf does it mean???
and the last question. find the cubic polynomial fn. i did a(x-b)(x-c)(x-d)
i know the intercepts so i know b,c,d but not a :(
you should have looked at the cover papers before the exam!!! lol
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wat did everyone get for the last Qs of MC? the composite function graph one..
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yes !
left 30 marks unanswered,
fkn pwned T_T
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yay - i got q and p ... i bombed out in the rest of the exam . :shock:
i didnt do the last couple of probability ones ..
SOOOO much harder than previous YEARS. not just 2006
ohbtw, new poster :) but ive been reading everyones replies.
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for the pdf, where u have to find m... wat did u put???
i put m= 0 cos thats the convention???
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wat did everyone get for the last Qs of MC? the composite function graph one..
i guessed and put E or D
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for the pdf, where u have to find m... wat did u put???
i put m= 0 cos thats the convention???
m=8000 coz it's a Continuous graph.. i spent so much time thinking about tat lol
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with that prob question where you had to find max value of Q and p
i initaly got Q= 300 sumthing and p = 3.5 sumthing by graphing the eqn
but then realised p cant be over 1, so i took the other max and made the domain [0,1] and ended up with p = .5578 and Q=.5578 (something like that)
please tell me someone else got that
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for the pdf, where u have to find m... wat did u put???
i put m= 0 cos thats the convention???
m=8000 coz it's a Continuous graph.. i spent so much time thinking about tat lol
i fking fked that q;s. i put m=0?. the rest of that q;s wasnt related to the value m right? i hope not.
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Did anyone write down their answers to the METHODS CAS! exam for the multi choice?
I wrote mine down but their wont be enough right to be a good indicator to post on the forum so someone please put them up if you wrote them down
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for the pdf, where u have to find m... wat did u put???
i put m= 0 cos thats the convention???
m=8000 coz it's a Continuous graph.. i spent so much time thinking about tat lol
oh shit, 8000 makes sense.... i put 0
AND forgot to restrict domain when i sketched it :evil:
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LOL CRAP. im such a douchebag.
i changed my m from 0 to 8000 in the last minute .. what an idiot.
i kept thinking "continuous" i kept forgetting about probability ..
it didnt even feel like probability til the next page.
:oops:
EDIT :
haha okay now im on the fence about how much of an idiot i am - thanks hifer
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with that prob question where you had to find max value of Q and p
i initaly got Q= 300 sumthing and p = 3.5 sumthing by graphing the eqn
but then realised p cant be over 1, so i took the other max and made the domain [0,1] and ended up with p = .5578 and Q=.5578 (something like that)
please tell me someone else got that
i got p = 0.5858, q = 0.5887 ...
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for the pdf, where u have to find m... wat did u put???
i put m= 0 cos thats the convention???
m=8000 coz it's a Continuous graph.. i spent so much time thinking about tat lol
oh shit, 8000 makes sense.... i put 0
AND forgot to restrict domain when i sketched it :evil:
i put 8000 as well thank god. I was about to put 1/2 but then thought about it again and put 8000
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m=8000
one word for the exam = fucked!
worst exam ever. way tooooooooooo long. didnt finish the last question. :x
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LOL CRAP. im such a douchebag.
i changed my m from 0 to 8000 in the last minute .. what an idiot.
i kept thinking "continuous" i kept forgetting about probability ..
it didnt even feel like probability til the next page.
:oops:
It wasn't a PDF... just a function showing how many insects...
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with that prob question where you had to find max value of Q and p
i initaly got Q= 300 sumthing and p = 3.5 sumthing by graphing the eqn
but then realised p cant be over 1, so i took the other max and made the domain [0,1] and ended up with p = .5578 and Q=.5578 (something like that)
please tell me someone else got that
i got p = 0.5858, q = 0.5887 ...
YESSSSSSSS thats what i got too, lets hope were right :D
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LOL CRAP. im such a douchebag..
:oops:
Are you Polish???
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oh haha thanks hifer :D
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god that was crap, it wasn't EXTREMELY hard, still hard, but it was too long. i went home and bawled my eyes out LOL. :cry:
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LOL JL i feel your pain
i was walking home listening to Michael Buble - Home on my ipod ... and i was all teary (which i always get, when i listen to it) and all i wanted to do was go home haha
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the answer to the last MC was E i think
mc was good. spent about 30min.
extended response 1 - easy
2. a pain
3. good
4. good
5. didn't know until the last 10min that there was a 5th question. so i quickly did it. but didn't do the last 2 questions which was worth like 4 marks.
omg it was too hard.
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yea i got those values...for p and q haha
so much for getting full marks dayum! prolly lost abt 5-6marks....the one where u needed to state translations for sin into cos fucked me..and so did the nxt part..i think ill get 1/4 for that...the rest of section 2 was aight.
multi choice i wasnt sure about last qn and one other..cant remember that..
overall i HOPE to get 74-75/80!
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IMO, that was a very difficult exam compared to last years. I did last years exam in 1hour 40 minutes and only lost 4 marks. I finished todays exam with about 13 minutes to spare, and i have a feeling i lost quite a few marks. I did alright, but i'm hoping the rest of the state had trouble with it :D
And the Tasmania Jones equation has evil :evil: :evil: :evil:
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lol i was unsure about that whole qn with tasmania jones..so left it till last..but it turned out to be good.
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someone correct my answers i posted on a new thread. i posted quite a number of solutions to most of the parts of the exam including all multiple choice questions! Thanks! hope i can get 25+ =)
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yea i got those values...for p and q haha
so much for getting full marks dayum! prolly lost abt 5-6marks....the one where u needed to state translations for sin into cos fucked me..and so did the nxt part..i think ill get 1/4 for that...the rest of section 2 was aight.
multi choice i wasnt sure about last qn and one other..cant remember that..
overall i HOPE to get 74-75/80!
Oya, for the transformation, did u write reflection in x and then translate by 3 units to the left?
btw wat did u guys get for the next part where it asks for the cubic polynomial? Does anyone remember the original Eqn?
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^ i had no clue how to solve those - but for transformation i said it was moved three to the left .. cos the domain was from [0,4] and h was [-3,1]
and i didnt get the second transformation because it was pens down =[
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Very hard exam. Again VCAA can never get the difficulty right...
Agreed... Stupid hard exam :P
I definitely lost some marks... I couldn't do some of the questions :(
hmmm...i reckon ppl will be rite if they sorta get the first bit of each question, half the state wouldnt have known wat to do!!!!
Heh, I guess I'll be right then :D
p=10 and q=1.5
I got that, but wrote q = 3/2. It didn't say to use a decimal, did it?
for the pdf, where u have to find m... wat did u put???
i put m= 0 cos thats the convention???
m=8000 coz it's a Continuous graph.. i spent so much time thinking about tat lol
Bahahaha
Yeah, that confused me for a while, but then I noticed it said it was continuous :P
the one where u needed to state translations for sin into cos fucked me
I put that it was translated 3 units left and inverted... I think?
And then for the cubic or whatever (the next question after that), I did the same translations. Like, the original was g(x), I did -g(x+3) for it.
i think p=10 and q=3/2 or sth
Damn, then I got it wrong....
Approx how many people are we competing against in the state for methods by the way?? 5000? 10000?
Around 16000 people did it last year, and I'm guessing it'd be similar this year.
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yea i got those values...for p and q haha
so much for getting full marks dayum! prolly lost abt 5-6marks....the one where u needed to state translations for sin into cos fucked me..and so did the nxt part..i think ill get 1/4 for that...the rest of section 2 was aight.
multi choice i wasnt sure about last qn and one other..cant remember that..
overall i HOPE to get 74-75/80!
Oya, for the transformation, did u write reflection in x and then translate by 3 units to the left?
btw wat did u guys get for the next part where it asks for the cubic polynomial? Does anyone remember the original Eqn?
i didnt get that LOL but a friend did..so u could be right lol....
the cubic polynomial i mite get 1 mark LOL cos i had the right x ints in it
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:D
That was fun. LOL
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SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT
WORST FUCKING MISTAKE EVER
finished with 20 mins to spare and kept my p as 3.something an q as 679 ish, sio stupid, of course p must be less than 0, wtf am i thinking, if i used those values to try and owrk out last question, will i get 1 consequential mark maybe?
and other stupid marks i lost were transformations
i just transformed 1 unit to the left
and it got it!stupid me! i dont think smartly in exams, i get into a framset, and just stick there...its awful
fuckk
wat do you need to get a 45 this year probs?
if i got 39/40 on first and 73-75/80 on this one, apparnetly u cant drop many damn marks...so im stuffed?
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Anyone got a copy of the paper? It seems to be hard, but people said Unit 3 Chemistry was hard, which I thought it wasn't.
Once again, any specific enquiries about a particular question, ask me, as long as you can provide the question. If the post velocity of this thread is too high, PM me instead, because I can't check every post.
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I it's the same if u reflect it and then translate 1 unit to the RIGHT since the period is 4
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SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT
WORST FUCKING MISTAKE EVER
and other stupid marks i lost were transformations
i just transformed 1 unit to the left
LOL thats what i did..so stupid
CURSES!
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hrm the cubic question was easy. just use the stat program. plug in all the points... tada... there comes out your cubic question.
there was so much calculator based on that paper. its so not funny. and the time spent plugging in the equations took so long.
man. i should of managed my time better. i didnt do the very last question. but i think i did alrite in the rest.
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I it's the same if u reflect it and then translate 1 unit to the RIGHT since the period is 4
lol this sounds stupid why not do a transl 1 unit left and dilation x1 from xaxis hahahha ?
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lol coblin, it's coz you're just too intelligent :)
hakeemthedream, if you struggled, then lots of ppl must have..i know i certainly did and i'm so pissed off right now! i also got 39 on the first one, but seriously...this one was just screwed. in another thread, someone said that the A+ cutoff fopr exam 2 in 2004 was only 78% (similar exam difficulty), with so you never know! just keep your fingers crossed.
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yea i got those values...for p and q haha
so much for getting full marks dayum! prolly lost abt 5-6marks....the one where u needed to state translations for sin into cos fucked me..and so did the nxt part..i think ill get 1/4 for that...the rest of section 2 was aight.
multi choice i wasnt sure about last qn and one other..cant remember that..
overall i HOPE to get 74-75/80!
Oya, for the transformation, did u write reflection in x and then translate by 3 units to the left?
i got that
edit: i graphed both of them on the calc and they were exact so its definatly right
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^ thats definately reassuring
cos i was dying when i was doing the 2004 past exam paper
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:D ive noticed in the last few days that tasmania jones is a recurring character in the methods exams .. check it out for yourself (:
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^ thats definately reassuring
cos i was dying when i was doing the 2004 past exam paper
btw -
:D ive noticed in the last few days that tasmania jones is a recurring character in the methods exams .. check it out for yourself (:
lol yeah i think he goes back to 1999
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haha the examiners last name is probably jones and they come from tasmania or something haha. infact i think iv had this conversation before.. i thinkt ehy really do come from tasmania haha
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haha the examiners last name is probably jones and they come from tasmania or something haha. infact i think iv had this conversation before.. i thinkt ehy really do come from tasmania haha
its true!
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Lol I never knew that
Anyway the exam was pretty bad for me.. I ended up guessing most of the multiple choice questions... :?
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my teacher said q20 and 21 are not on the course and rang up to complain. he's been teaching methods since it began.
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my teacher said q20 and 21 are not on the course and rang up to complain. he's been teaching methods since it began.
haha Teacher VS Examiner WHO'LL WIN? :shock:
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lol well one thing's for sure they love that name :?
i know a guy who didn't get time to finish the MC, so he literally just chose one letter for at least half of them
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20. the cos^2(x) +2cos(x) one? i wrote A
21. i did y=-|x| and y=(x-1)^2-1. worked out the composite function. it ended up E i think.
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20. the cos^2(x) +2cos(x) one? i wrote A
21. i did y=-|x| and y=(x-1)^2-1. worked out the composite function. it ended up E i think.
yeah i chose A too, i did it on the calc and cos(x) = 0 gave me the same answer didnt bother checking the rest
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my teacher said q20 and 21 are not on the course and rang up to complain. he's been teaching methods since it began.
I thought Q20 was OK because i think it was testing knowledge of:
- factorisation
- null factor law
- cos (x) graph (knowing its range is -1 to 1)
But Q.21 was bad IMO. I've NEVER seen a question like that before. I wouldnt even know what topic it comes under
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composite functions?
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That exam was bloody awful!! Question 1 was really easy, which lulled me into a false sense of security. Most of the multiple choice was pretty good as well apart from a couple I struggled with. I guessed a few of those Tasmania Jones questions, though I forgot to put m in my graph (I didn't even know how to work out m!), and I didn't have time to finish the last question properly. Fortunately, I think I answered the questions that I was able to answer really well. I was hoping for an A for this exam, but that no longer seems realistic (unless everyone in the state did way worse).
BUT, it's all over now, thank goodness. That was my last exam and by far my least favourite exam in my entire 13-year stint at school (which is now officially finished!)
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i think the avergae would have been 50% this year?
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That exam was bloody awful!! Question 1 was really easy, which lulled me into a false sense of security. Most of the multiple choice was pretty good as well apart from a couple I struggled with. I guessed a few of those Tasmania Jones questions, though I forgot to put m in my graph (I didn't even know how to work out m!), and I didn't have time to finish the last question properly. Fortunately, I think I answered the questions that I was able to answer really well. I was hoping for an A for this exam, but that no longer seems realistic (unless everyone in the state did way worse).
BUT, it's all over now, thank goodness. That was my last exam and by far my least favourite exam in my entire 13-year stint at school (which is now officially finished!)
agree
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for 22 I got the one that looks like a W, was that E?
Also, for the 2 tranformations one i got a reflection in the Y axis then translate to the right by an amount equal to the answer i got for the question right before it (2-squrt3 or something). Drew it on my calc too and it looked right, anyone else?
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pretty sure e was lyk a V
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The last part of the question involving finding the inverse of e^(something)... Asking the area between a curve and it's inverse, involved anti-differentiating a log!!
Did anyone get this??
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i couldn't find a 4mula for that: i just diffed it
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The last part of the question involving finding the inverse of e^(something)... Asking the area between a curve and it's inverse, involved anti-differentiating a log!!
Did anyone get this??
Yeah, i just put down the definite integrals (i think there were 3 of them) and put them all into my calculator
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The last part of the question involving finding the inverse of e^(something)... Asking the area between a curve and it's inverse, involved anti-differentiating a log!!
Did anyone get this??
Nope ur suppose 2 antidiff the e^-x function - x coz the function and its inverse is reflected along y=x and u just multiply that area by 2 so u don't need to antidiff the log
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What was Q20 and Q21, which according to somebody's teacher, was not on the course?
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The last part of the question involving finding the inverse of e^(something)... Asking the area between a curve and it's inverse, involved anti-differentiating a log!!
Did anyone get this??
Nope ur suppose 2 antidiff the e^-x function - x coz the function and its inverse is reflected along y=x and u just multiply that area by 2 so u don't need to antidiff the log
Failure! I knew it as soon as I left the exam room. GRRR!!
0 marks for that one. Incomplete integral, one wrong multi-choice.
God, I hate methods.
So, that's 3 down exam 1, 4 down exam 2.
113/120. Surely that's enough for a 45+ raw? Surely...
But I can safely say the state would have struggled. That was a stinker (aka Tasmania Jones and the e^(x) question)
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What was Q20 and Q21, which according to somebody's teacher, was not on the course?
if 21 was the 2nd last Qs, it was sth like
{x: cos^2x + 2cosx = 0 } =
options... i chose A
{x: cosx = 0 } or sth i think...
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20. the cos^2(x) +2cos(x) one? i wrote A
21. i did y=-|x| and y=(x-1)^2-1. worked out the composite function. it ended up E i think.
I used the wrong composite. Goddamn. Die VCAA, Die!!!
EDIT:
A is correct.
E is correct.
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Nope ur suppose 2 antidiff the e^-x function - x coz the function and its inverse is reflected along y=x and u just multiply that area by 2 so u don't need to antidiff the log
Oh damn. Would you lose marks for finding the integral of the log? It was worth 3 marks
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You can't integrate the log.
That's what the inverse was for.
Die VCAA! Die!:twisted:
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rest of the exam wasn't too bad, i was fairly happy with how i went, even the tasmania jones question, graph looked like ??\/\/??.
and the last two multiple choice (21 and 22) were a tad dodgy, i had these answers:
21: {x: cos(x) = 0 or -0.5}
22: E (i think it was E, the bottom left choice that looked like a V)
everyone coming out seemed to have struggled for time, it was a rush for me but i did get there. hopefully it makes up for my quite poor exam one.
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I liked the exam. Thought it was fairly simple and straightforward (a bit more time for the MC would of been nice, had to guess a few (like 20 and 21).
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Nope ur suppose 2 antidiff the e^-x function - x coz the function and its inverse is reflected along y=x and u just multiply that area by 2 so u don't need to antidiff the log
Oh damn. Would you lose marks for finding the integral of the log? It was worth 3 marks
ya.. u can't antidiff log.. >< unless u know how 0.o
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Nope ur suppose 2 antidiff the e^-x function - x coz the function and its inverse is reflected along y=x and u just multiply that area by 2 so u don't need to antidiff the log
Oh damn. Would you lose marks for finding the integral of the log? It was worth 3 marks
I did the same - what kind of ass****s would do that - we rnt all specialist kids remember.... At least give us a chance to get some basic marks far out.
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That exam was bloody awful!! Question 1 was really easy, which lulled me into a false sense of security.
Yeah, definitely agree there. I felt exactly the same.
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ya.. u can't antidiff log.. >< unless u know how 0.o
∫ln (x) dx = xln(x) - x
So you can antidiff it, but its obviously not on the spec or methods course.
But i wrote the definite integral (with log(x) in it) then wrote the calculator value of it under it. I think i might lose a mark for that
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Use integration by parts to anti-diff log. But you should never have to in methods, unless it's part of a recognition question.
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It wasn't recognition...
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Wat kind of study score do you think id be looking at with a:
Exam 1 - 22/40
Exam 2 - 35/80
Would it get me a 25 raw cos i need that for my course. Thanks.
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ya.. u can't antidiff log.. >< unless u know how 0.o
∫ln (x) dx = xln(x) - x
So you can antidiff it, but its obviously not on the spec or methods course.
But i wrote the definite integral (with log(x) in it) then wrote the calculator value of it under it. I think i might lose a mark for that
yeah i wrote down the first part of the integral with bounds, tried to integrate realised it was a log, so i just did it on my calc, i was wondering why it was worth 3 marks cos there was only really 2 steps. But what some one was saying with the inverse being the same area either side of y=x makes sense
hopefully i can get 2 marks for that tho..
did any use abs( to graph and answer some of the MC, i actualy used it a fair bit
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LOL sure thing daniel. let's feed that myspace addiction...THEN pwn the methods exam :twisted:
:cry: I hate myspace ... But I have to do it sometimes.
Sorry Ben :oops:
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lol did anyone use their bound reference at all?
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lol did anyone use their bound reference at all?
I'm glad that I had it, but I didn't even get the chance to open it up.
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lol did anyone use their bound reference at all?
Nope, haha.
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I am so pissed off. I wanted 80/80, however due to adrenalin rush and short space of time+strees, I am looking at a 77-79 mark range.
Multi Choice: Easy
1: Too Easy
2: Most of It good
3: Not bad, hated the area
4: Good, but took a while to figure out transformations.
5: Liked it,but tricky
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The last part of the question involving finding the inverse of e^(something)... Asking the area between a curve and it's inverse, involved anti-differentiating a log!!
Did anyone get this??
Nope ur suppose 2 antidiff the e^-x function - x coz the function and its inverse is reflected along y=x and u just multiply that area by 2 so u don't need to antidiff the log
oh shit i didnt do that i just got the integral and did it on teh calculator...got like 2.68 or something ..crap!
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I am so pissed off. I wanted 80/80, however due to adrenalin rush and short space of time+strees, I am looking at a 77-79 mark range.
hey at least you're not looking at how much you'll get out of something like 74, instead of out of 80. to say that i'm pissed off is a huge understatement...i'm just so disappointed, coz i've worked really really hard in methods all year :(
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Yes I know what you mean. Sorry if i offended anyone.
The only problem is that I had high expectations for methods and my methods teacher told me to get a 50(school pressure). But now, with a 39/40 in Exam 1 and a 77-79(I will say 75+ to be on the safe side), I am looking at more like 40-45 range.
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I am so pissed off. I wanted 80/80, however due to adrenalin rush and short space of time+strees, I am looking at a 77-79 mark range.
hey at least you're not looking at how much you'll get out of something like 74, instead of out of 80. to say that i'm pissed off is a huge understatement...i'm just so disappointed, coz i've worked really really hard in methods all year :(
Tell me about it. I've been acing my SACs and got a 39 for exam 1, and now exam 2 has truly crushed my hopes. I've gone from hoping for a 45+ to now hoping I make it into the 40s.
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it's ok, i wasn't offended, sorry if i sound rude coz i'm just really upset about it right now :x
i think you just might be looking at more than that this year, coz everyone did so badly on it. i wouldn't base any estimations on last year's results, coz it was so much easier.
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it's ok, i wasn't offended, sorry if i sound rude coz i'm just really upset about it right now :x
i think you just might be looking at more than that this year, coz everyone did so badly on it. i wouldn't base any estimations on last year's results, coz it was so much easier.
agreed
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Actually it seems from what i have heard that this Exam 2 was quiet long. So if you get 74 or 75/80 it could be pretty good(=45+).
Good luck all FSNers. :D
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Actually it seems from what i have heard that this Exam 2 was quiet long. So if you get 74 or 75/80 it could be pretty good(=45+).
Good luck all FSNers. :D
Yay.
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How did you go Toothpick?
(Pretty obvious you aced it?)
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Okay, weird question here. One of my let's say... 'stunt pulling' friends thought it would be a funny idea to write the 'C' word as the answer to a question in big letters... as well as doing all the concentration ones like chemistry... do you reckon they might just send the paper back or fail it?
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yes, i think i liked the old 4-question format way better. well, i'm in the same situation as jasper - great sac marks and ranking, 39 in exam 1...now hoping to juuuust squeeze into the 40s coz of this exam 2 ><" and being a CAS student really doesn't help my case either.
*edit*: LOL did your friend seriously do that?? i'm not sure what would happen, but they won't be impressed :shock:
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How did you go Toothpick?
(Pretty obvious you aced it?)
Maybe. I need solutions to confirm. Lol.
I had mistakes here and there though. :D
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*edit*: LOL did your friend seriously do that?? i'm not sure what would happen, but they won't be impressed :shock:
Yeah. Bit of an idiot really. Another friend wrote 'Zerg rush kekekeke' on theirs, but I think that is a bit safer than the C word.
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Okay, weird question here. One of my let's say... 'stunt pulling' friends thought it would be a funny idea to write the 'C' word as the answer to a question in big letters... as well as doing all the concentration ones like chemistry... do you reckon they might just send the paper back or fail it?
From what I know; if a paper offends the examiner it get's a zero. They can also give zero's if there is an attempt at communicating with the examiner (eg "can you please be lenient and give me a good mark" stuff like that)
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*edit*: LOL did your friend seriously do that?? i'm not sure what would happen, but they won't be impressed :shock:
Yeah. Bit of an idiot really. Another friend wrote 'Zerg rush kekekeke' on theirs, but I think that is a bit safer than the C word.
LOL ZERG RUSH HAHAHAHA!!
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hahaha, u wrote the c word as an answer, well i reckon thats a pisser! i dunno if they'll send it back or not, but im guessing that wasnt the right answer lol..
ah sheesh, i reckon that was a tough exam.. i aced last years one, this year screwed me up.. so did exam 1.. but ive heard from a teacher that they reckon the average for exam 1 will be 12/40.. i no most people will be like wtf.. coz most people on here are genius' but there are a SHITLOAD of people who would struggle to get any marks, and compared to last years results, i think u will be able to lose a few more marks to get 45+
MC 22.. i got E? and i got P=10 and Q=1.5 anndd.. reflection in the x-axis and translated 3 units left.. those were some hard questions, but there the answers i got :D
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From what I know; if a paper offends the examiner it get's a zero. They can also give zero's if there is an attempt at communicating with the examiner (eg "can you please be lenient and give me a good mark" stuff like that)
Guess he is screwed then. :o :lol:
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rofl i'd say he is.
fyl_000, i got the same answers as you with those, except i translated right by 1 unit instead..which i've heard is also right. plus i checked on my calculator. and with Q22, i checked that on my calculator too so i think it should be right
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lol one of the guys in my class drew a big smiley face when it came to one of the graphs...he showed it to me and i was pissing myself laughing, one of the other guys wrote an essay in Exam 1 saying that methods is his worst subject and it's not really his fault he's soo bad in it, it's the crappy teacher's fault (which is kinda true anyway) .
im kinda glad that i wasnt the only person who found the paper to be soo damn hard i didnt finish qs 5 which was around 10 marks or so, missed half of the tasmania jones bullcrap and just sucked at the whole exam in general. im just extremely glad Maths Methods over
WOOT WOOT
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yea i almost wrote 1 to the right, but then i looked at the domain...and it was [-3,1] and so then i thought it was safer to put it in that domain.. meh, im not the best at methods.. i have no idea wat ill get raw for it??
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dammit i lost 3 marks BECAUSE I DIDN'T LOOK AT MY CALCULATOR CORRECTLY! Dumbest mistake in history. This was even worse then the msitake i did in exam 1 where i thoguht x-1 was x-3 T.T
Edit:
Edit: and the finding area one, your meant to find area bounded by 2-e^(-x)-x from 0 to 1.184(something like that can
't remember) and times the result by 2. There was really no need to antidiff the log.
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We're all disappointed we lost marks.
Best to just get over it, and look on the bright side.
Methods is OVER!!! Forever!!! PARTY!!!
I personally prefer no answer discussion goes on in this thread. I for one don't want to know anymore answers (but still wish to contribute my thoughts).
For the record, I'm down four marks in both exams, which our teachers suspect is going to be a ~45.
I'm not complaining. It scales to 48, which is what I want anyway.
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We're all disappointed we lost marks.
Best to just get over it, and look on the bright side.
Methods is OVER!!! Forever!!! PARTY!!!
I personally prefer no answer discussion goes on in this thread. I for one don't want to know anymore answers (but still wish to contribute my thoughts).
For the record, I'm down four marks in both exams, which our teachers suspect is going to be a ~45.
I'm not complaining. It scales to 48, which is what I want anyway.
Your so optimistic... YOu do realise that a lot of people pissed on exam 1 right?
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For the record, I'm down four marks in both exams, which our teachers suspect is going to be a ~45.
Is that 4 on exam 1 and 4 on exam 2 or 2 each?
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lol one of the guys in my class drew a big smiley face when it came to one of the graphs...he showed it to me and i was pissing myself laughing, one of the other guys wrote an essay in Exam 1 saying that methods is his worst subject and it's not really his fault he's soo bad in it, it's the crappy teacher's fault (which is kinda true anyway) .
im kinda glad that i wasnt the only person who found the paper to be soo damn hard i didnt finish qs 5 which was around 10 marks or so, missed half of the tasmania jones bullcrap and just sucked at the whole exam in general. im just extremely glad Maths Methods over
WOOT WOOT
Lol, no-one will even get the pleasure of reading it if it was in exam 1...
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well, i'm in the same situation as jasper - great sac marks and ranking, 39 in exam 1...now hoping to juuuust squeeze into the 40s coz of this exam 2 ><
What? Sounds like I have no hope for getting over 40 now :(
I probably only got 35 or 36 out of 40 on Exam 1, and definitely lost quite a few marks on Exam 2 :(
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who knows about wat ull need for 45+, but the average will be much less than last year, so dont go by wat ur mates got last year :? :?
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What is speculated for the average for exam 2?
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exam two average i reckon will be like 40-50%, sounds low, but ALOTTT of people will struggle.. i dunno, maybe im off the mark??
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well put fyl_000, i wouldn't estimate on last year, coz last year was ridiculous. but now i regret not doing methods last year, coz i only dropped 3 marks total doing last year's papers :x
daniel, if you're not doing CAS, you'll be better off. i said that because apparently it's harder to get 40+ doing CAS. but i'm hoping against hope, coz of my non-exam 2 results, that i'll just get in :(
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Man, markers you better be in a good/happy mood when marking my paper.
Probability of A Random Event(such as above)...?
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Well, it is comparable to '05/'04 it seems.
Thus, I have a low A+ and a high A+.
SACs will scale up.
I got mid-A+'s in Accounting for a 43.
I don't know what it going to happen anymore. Don't blame me, it's all speculation. We have no data to go against (last year's doesn't work).
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What was that question on definite integral and areas. Do you just chuck in definite integral or did you have to evaluate it?
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exam two average i reckon will be like 40-50%, sounds low, but ALOTTT of people will struggle.. i dunno, maybe im off the mark??
IMO that sounds pretty right. I think the average is usually 55%-ish (thats around what it was for 2006 Exam 1, no idea what it was for 2006 Exam 2). I'd expect most students to have struggled with that exam, so an average of 40% to 50% is very likely
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FUCK
i keep losing more marks
i got 2 multi choice wrong (1 of them, which i remember, is really stupid error)
and i only got 1 transformation, translate 1 unit right...
and i only got x-intercepts in next question
is that 2 out of a possible 4 marks or 1/4?
and then in last question(worst mistake out of all of you) - i had a mind blank and didnt even think about p being less than 0
wrote down p = 3.4123 and q=679
and tried to use that for next part
is that 0/4?
or 1/4?
and finally, i got right answer for h(x) and invershe h(x) area under graph, but showed integrals with logs...and then used calculator
2/3 or 3/3?
im hoping 72/80 - sheesh, terrible
im absolute shattered, about last question...fuck
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We need a thread where we can discuss thoughts, not have people blurt out the answers. We have a separate thread for that, and some of us don't want to fall into a deeper pit of depression over lost marks.
I can't complain, because compared to the state I did exceedingly well.
But it's the sinking feeling you get when you know you've conceded marks because you've been stupid.
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god damn i'd be so happy with a 72/80!
yeah i know that feeling. when i found that one dumb mistake i made on exam 1, i literally slapped myself.
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everyone in here sounds so smart.. I WANNA BE FRIGGEN SMART!! lol
:(
even if i got 60/80 id be happy!
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When you're only halfway though exams, I want to be inspired, and discovering that I've forfeited potentially brilliant scores because of mind blanks is uninspiring at best.
It might be just me, but I'd request that people refrain from splattering the answers all over what is a thoughts thread, not answers thread.
We have a separate thread for that, go get answers there if you're that desperate.
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I got mid-A+'s in Accounting for a 43.
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I'm fked. excellent.
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(new to fsn!)
Definetly share everyones sentiments on this exam... i guess i am somewhat reassured that many many many students at my school did not finish or come close ( and amazingly laughed about it straight afterwards).
5 down 2 more exams to go for me. Good luck to all, truly truly hope that you all get results that reflect your work and determination!
hmm.. better go memorise my chem notes book...
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everyone in here sounds so smart.. I WANNA BE FRIGGEN SMART!! lol
:(
even if i got 60/80 id be happy!
Yeah...
Smart people :(
I'm not smart, I'm just a normal person :P
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anyone got vis com tomoz?
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Not me.
Viscom would be so cool though.
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everyone in here sounds so smart.. I WANNA BE FRIGGEN SMART!! lol
:(
even if i got 60/80 id be happy!
Methods is a horrible indicator of intelligence. Its all formula based. Heck even spesh is formula based( well 90% of it is, i have yet to be surprised). Its just the hype that surrounds these subjects intimidate people, then they start to call themselves dumb and then its all over.
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qft.
I am glad that methods is "all over".
No more probability !!
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yea vis comm is the bomb! i want 50!!!!
anyways, methods, im over it.. although i did like probability, i was actually good at it, pity it was astupid question today, meh
good luck to everyone in their exams!!
peace out
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yea vis comm is the bomb! i want 50!!!!
anyways, methods, im over it.. although i did like probability, i was actually good at it, pity it was astupid question today, meh
good luck to everyone in their exams!!
peace out
i agree. The probability in the Neap exams make vcaa look like primary school bullies.
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Glad methods is over FOREVER!
I did not touch my reference book ONCE.
Loved the mutlichoices
Hated the last part of the last question
And finally i did not complete the exam :P there goes about 10 marks
overall i'd estimate about 65/80
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Same here.
I did not touch my reference material at all(=Time Constraints)
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Fucking..To all those people whom are complaining that "OH NO, I'M ONLY GOING TO GET A 45 INSTEAD OF 50" ...Grrr.... Think about how all the people that read that like me, whom tried their hardest, and yet probably will only get like 20....Maybe less... ~~ Stop complaining.
Also.....WHAT THE HELL WAS THE ANSWER TO R? You know for the wine glass, how you had to find R when it was a minimum?
What did everyone get? For some reason I got 500/pie >_>;
Which ended up giving me a minimum surface area of like... 15907...>_>;
Yea...I'm not sure. The only questions I THINK i may have got right in short answer were the first two (quotient and product rule, right?) and the one where you had to find the area bound by the x and y axis from the log _e equation. But i was reading through posts, and I see that you can't antidiff log? >_>; Ugh, then how do you DO IT O_O... Anyway...I guess I must have got it wrong if you cant diff log.
And YES FOR MC. for the lame ass Q20 i guessed A....YAY~!!
I didn't use my book much. >_> And there wasn't much probability..>_>;
Because i failed and finished early coz i left just about all the questions unanswered, I had time to calculate my maximum score, had everything I answered been correct...
45%[/b]
Good Job, Tanika.
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answers are up on itute
http://www.itute.com/mathline/2007_vcaa_mm_exam2_sol.pdf
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according to itute i lost ~3. unless the marking is tough, i hope its not more than 5. what am i looking at as a study score if my sacs are .. decent but not great at an above average school.
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whoa ...now i know i lost at least 6marks...
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i need the marking scheme for this exam paper!!! so i can calc what marks i lost LOLbut everything looks good for me apart from the last part of question 5.
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i need the marking scheme for this exam paper!!! so i can calc what marks i lost LOLbut everything looks good for me apart from the last part of question 5.
Do you feel you did much better than last year? I remember encouraging you to repeat methods. Do you think it was worth it? I guess Dec 17 awaits.
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i need the marking scheme for this exam paper!!! so i can calc what marks i lost LOLbut everything looks good for me apart from the last part of question 5.
Do you feel you did much better than last year? I remember encouraging you to repeat methods. Do you think it was worth it? I guess Dec 17 awaits.
lol. i feel more confident this year about methods. actually i think i was over-confident. hence i progressed through the paper too slowly and didn't really finish it.
i think i did better though. if i didn't it would have been a waste of a year of studying it. i can assure you that both of this year's methods exam was x2 harder in difficulty and length wise.
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think i dropped maybe 6 marks
hoping for better but i'd take that
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man,
if i wrote trasnlate 1 unit to the right and thats it
then in the cubic, i wrote the write x-intercepts, but rong oveallcubic
will i get 2/4 for that part
i lost 4/4 for last question, worst mistake ever
1 multi choice
and also, for the integral i wrote 4 integrals intead of combining to 2 , is that also 1 mark off
if so 72/80 and 39/40 - can i get 45 raw!
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if so 72/80 and 39/40 - can i get 45 raw!
Thats what i wanna know...
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if so 72/80 and 39/40 - can i get 45 raw!
Thats what i wanna know...
nope. but you'll get 42+
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You might scrape the 45/46, IF you have a good school rank.
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i think you are estimating too high kido_1
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FARK
was supposed to be top 4
im hoping for a 45 if i can scrape it
quick question, do sacs matter? i.e, if im only averaging 85 odd percent in a good school
and, will i lose a mark for not combining integrals? i.e. using symmetry
:( need to ace chem now
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i think you are estimating too high kido_1
Yeh probably. I am not the most reliable VCAA dude :)
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according to itute i lost ~3. unless the marking is tough, i hope its not more than 5. what am i looking at as a study score if my sacs are .. decent but not great at an above average school.
So your saying you lost 3 marks across the two exams.
Wow, that is really good.
Could be looking at high 40s easy.
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what do you think the state average is?
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what do you think the state average is?
it is usually a bit over 50%
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thats good then; this year i hope its like 40% lol
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I was dissapointed with the exam...
BUT...
My teacher told my class that he did the exam himself and he saw it as very difficult....it took him 2.5 hours just to do section B!!!
I hope the majority of the state did bad.......
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I hope the majority of the state did bad.......
Heh, me too :P
Remember that the community here is a very specific cross-section of the state... Seems like the majority of members here are relatively smart :P
Don't let all the smart people here put you off :P
And yeah, 5 or 6 people left the exam early at my school. I guess they found it way too hard.
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I was dissapointed with the exam...
BUT...
My teacher told my class that he did the exam himself and he saw it as very difficult....it took him 2.5 hours just to do section B!!!
I hope the majority of the state did bad.......
ure teacher is incompetent lol.
Haha, it takes me about an hour to do the Section A in Chemistry, and about 2-3 hours to do Section B. That's because I'm typing it up, and plus I'm reading it off the computer (me no like dat :().
I wonder how I'd go on that paper. My maths exams last year were too easy, I felt like I missed out, :lol:
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I just hope on December 17th at 7am (probably 8am by the time results are fully accessed) I will achieve a nice result(and so hopefully you guys) :roll:
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whats the obsession about post counts? im clueless
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I was dissapointed with the exam...
BUT...
My teacher told my class that he did the exam himself and he saw it as very difficult....it took him 2.5 hours just to do section B!!!
I hope the majority of the state did bad.......
ure teacher is incompetent lol.
I think so too...in fact..the majority of my class thinks that :wink:
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I am glad that my teacher is not incompetent.
Though my teacher did say the test was long and challenging.
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I was talking to my methods teacher today who correct exams, and he said he was amazed by the amount of exam 1s that were 0/40
I suppose thats good news for those of us who did well :)
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I was talking to my methods teacher today who correct exams, and he said he was amazed by the amount of exam 1s that were 0/40
I suppose thats good news for those of us who did well :)
:shock: :shock:
Thank god. Would your teacher know how many people got 39-40/40 for Exam 1 and really high marks on Exam 2?
I am hoping this good news reaches all of u on Dec 17th.. :roll: :roll:
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I was talking to my methods teacher today who correct exams, and he said he was amazed by the amount of exam 1s that were 0/40
I suppose thats good news for those of us who did well :)
Wow.
Haha sure is. :D
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I was talking to my methods teacher today who correct exams, and he said he was amazed by the amount of exam 1s that were 0/40
I suppose thats good news for those of us who did well :)
Wow.
Haha sure is. :D
haha awesome :roll:
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haha its funny how we all hope the worst for others, :P but na i agree, thats awesome, may the magority all fail miserably!!!!! and we never get bad karma :P
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I was talking to my methods teacher today who correct exams, and he said he was amazed by the amount of exam 1s that were 0/40
I suppose thats good news for those of us who did well :)
:shock:
I hope thats the case!! I want raw 40 in this subject
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I hope everyone just makes silly mistakes, especially in the top end. I wanted to try to get a 50 for this subject. Those hopes went down the drain on Monday(or more like Friday)
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You'll get there Kido_1, don't worry! ;) I know you will.