SPLIT: Doing medicine before dentistry

[The Special One]

Well if you do a medical degree you cannot practice as a dentist so I don’t see how it keeps options open.

Because you can then do dentistry at Melbourne uni after getting a med degree.

You can't do undergrad dentistry in Victoria anyway so may as well use a med degree to gain entry and have options open.

As it's been noted on this thread to become a specialist surgeon in high demand  you need both a med and dentistry degree. Seeing as you can't do undergrad dentistry may as well get direct entry Med first.

[brenden]

Not much reason not to do one either keeps OPs options open in case of a career change and they decide dentistry isn't for them and offers further advancement for advanced dentistry specialisation

Reasons not to do a med degree on a dentistry pathway:

1. More expensive pathway
2. Pathway longer in duration
3. If you have the scores to gain entry to undergrad med in Victoria, then you probably could also get undergrad dent.
4. Virtually any undergraduate degree keeps options open if you cover relevant prerequisites.

[Alter]

Because you can then do dentistry at Melbourne uni after getting a med degree.

You can't do undergrad dentistry in Victoria anyway so may as well use a med degree to gain entry and have options open.

As it's been noted on this thread to become a specialist surgeon in high demand  you need both a med and dentistry degree. Seeing as you can't do undergrad dentistry may as well get direct entry Med first.

I'm sorry, but I don't really think you know what you're talking about.

1) Medicine isn't a pathway into doing dentistry
2) You can do undergrad dentistry in Victoria
3) Maxillofacial surgery is a niche speciality of medicine; it is not something that is wildly in demand. Around 10-20 people go into maxfax in Australia per year. No other speciality will require both degrees, contrary to what you're implying.

[The Special One]

[The Special One]

And to quote some stats

'OMF surgeons required to meet demand for OMF services

It was estimated that the number of practising OMF surgeons required would be 188 surgeons in 2007 and 247 surgeons at the end of 2037 under the no demand rate growth (an increase of 31.4%), and 226 surgeons in 2007 and 507 surgeons in 2037 under the continued rate of growth in services in six main areas per 100 000 people in each of six age groups (a 124.3% increase) '

'Clearly, the economic forecast of supply and demand for clinical research in oral and maxillofacial surgery will become ever stronger in the coming decades. The economic environment for clinical papers is a global one, nearly entirely web-based, with seemingly universal supply and demand. The consumers of this economy are not the traditional ones segregated by educational and financial privilege. Patients, health care professional of all types, and policy makers will all access and use this information through their own perspectives. This will make the Annals of Maxillofacial Surgery, an even more inviting product for us to contribute to and consume in the coming years.'

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1834-7819.2010.01248.x/full

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267920/

https://www.myfuture.com/careers/growth/oral-and-maxillofacial-surgeons_29-1022.00

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4555930/

[VanillaRice]

it is in fact you who has no idea what you're talking about. And I'm not sorry

1 see here

http://mdhs-study.unimelb.edu.au/degrees/doctor-of-dental-surgery/entry-requirements#entry-requirements

A med degree would allow OP to get into dentistry. A GAMSAT is a pre req are you suggesting a biomed degree requires a student to sit the GAMSAT?

2 fake news do you see any Victorian uni on this list? https://www.bachelorsportal.com/study-options/271745124/dentistry-australia.html

3 it is in fact widely in demand because so few do it. Both domestically and overseas and I have the stats to back it up

While Medicine -> Graduate Dentistry can be a "pathway", I don't think it's really a common one. Med school is a pretty big commitment, and you can fail if you don't have the right motivation. If you want to do graduate dentistry, the 5-6 years spent in undergrad medicine can be shortened to 3 years by doing a health science or science degree, for example.

You can do Dentistry in Victoria at LaTrobe University: http://www.latrobe.edu.au/courses/bachelor-of-health-sciences-in-dentistry-master-of-dentistry

[Alter]

1 see here

http://mdhs-study.unimelb.edu.au/degrees/doctor-of-dental-surgery/entry-requirements#entry-requirements

A med degree would allow OP to get into dentistry. A GAMSAT is a pre req are you suggesting a biomed degree requires a student to sit the GAMSAT?

I think you might have a bit of confusion here. The point I'm making is that people don't use a medical degree in order to satisfy the prerequisites of studying medicine. I understand what the requirements are to gain admission to the DDS, but 99% of students completing a medical degree do so in order to qualify as a medical professional and work as a doctor, not with the intention of of using to check the box of 'got a Bachelor's degree' so you can gain DDS admission.

More importantly, if you're doing medicine with the intention of simply doing so in order to go into a dental surgery course (with the clear exception of maxfax) then you've clearly got the wrong idea of what you're studying. You originally suggested that one should just do medicine anyway to keep options open; this is the ludicrous point. A medical degree isn't something you do to 'keep your options open' and figure out what broad area of health you want to work in later. It is a specialist degree which qualifies you to work as a doctor.

No clue what you're talking about with the GAMSAT/biomed or how that backs up your point.

2 fake news do you see any Victorian uni on this list? https://www.bachelorsportal.com/study-options/271745124/dentistry-australia.html

http://www.latrobe.edu.au/courses/bachelor-of-health-sciences-in-dentistry-master-of-dentistry

LaTrobe University offer a pathway to undergrad dentistry.

3 it is in fact widely in demand because so few do it. Both domestically and overseas and I have the stats to back it up

Irrespective of how in demand your alleged sources claim maxfax to be, that's not really the point of discussion. The argument at hand was whether or not doing medicine keeps options open. The point I was making about it being extraordinarily niche should be more clear: not everyone is interested in that very specific speciality, not everyone is talented enough to do it, and above all else: for a year 11 to set their heart out on a career trajectory that will take 10+ years (medical degree + dental surgery degree + training years) is simply farfetched and fanciful.

it is in fact you who has no idea what you're talking about. And I'm not sorry

Don't think I'll ever recover from this

[The Special One]

[vox nihili]

Play nice everyone please. You’re getting nasty about bloody dentistry degrees, there are bigger things in life.




Don’t do med to do dentistry. You’ll run out of HECS, spend a billion years at Uni and be utterly miserable whilst you do med if you don’t actually want to do med.
Someone will no doubt correct me if I’m wrong, but oral and maxillofacial surgery is an option for both dentists and doctors; they can both get into that area.

[The Special One]

Play nice everyone please. You’re getting nasty about bloody dentistry degrees, there are bigger things in life.




Don’t do med to do dentistry. You’ll run out of HECS, spend a billion years at Uni and be utterly miserable whilst you do med if you don’t actually want to do med.
Someone will no doubt correct me if I’m wrong, but oral and maxillofacial surgery is an option for both dentists and doctors; they can both get into that area.

I am playing nice but when people go around undermining my credibility on here that's a serious thing.

I would look like the biggest idiot if I had to go around saying I'm not stupid but so and forth...

If I have to defend myself with a disclaimer and sources each time I post because someone has undermined my credibility that's it then I have 0 credibility to begin with.

As for your other point, I was talking about undergrad med being a good pathway. That doesn't cost nearly as much as a post grad med degree or consume as much time.

It's not a waste of money as it increases career options and opens doors for research in fields that overlap.

I'm fairly certain you would need both a med and dentistry degree in Australia to practice that specialist surgery and is like that in many countries as well although it does vary worldwide.

[brenden]

To be fair, I think most of your credibility was lost when you gave “medicine always” as an answer.

[Alter]

I'm just going to split and lock this from here, not much more value in prolonging this argument, and any relevant contributions can go back to the original thread.