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Collin Li

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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2007, 04:53:57 pm »
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65.1% Family First
64.7% Liberal Party....

Politics stink.


If politics stinks, then I assume you probably think government should stop getting in the way of your life. Therefore, I pose to you this: let people do what they want, as long as it does not endanger the lives of other people.

The government should not make decisions for us, like whether we should be allowed to take certain drugs or not, because these can only hurt ourselves, and it was our choice. Therefore, I believe your political apathy should be turned into one that resents government intervention, and is for minimal government.

However, according to your score, you don't believe this. You want the government to maintain "traditional" values which will get in the way of freedom of life, and may very well be the reason why you (and others) believe politics stinks.

My friend (libertarian) was campaigning one day, and approached someone who immediately responded "nah mate, I hate government." My friend responded, "yeah, me too!" The guy was surprised, and he listened to hear more about his ideas. Ultimately, I agree that politics should take a small part of our lives, that government becomes so regulated and restricted that it cannot become dangerous to us, and it doesn't matter who the figurehead of the state is anymore.

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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2007, 05:00:50 pm »
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squance.. do you mind me asking what your views are which give you such a strongly right stance on traditional views? just because its unusual, a lot of young people are often much more to the left on traditional views than older generations..

why was i like -93% to the left on that one hahahaha do i have no traditional morals?? haha nah i duno.

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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2007, 05:30:53 pm »
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why was i like -93% to the left on that one hahahaha do i have no traditional morals?? haha nah i duno.


Well, you may very well have personal traditional morals, but you just have the understanding to allow others to decide on their own morals, rather than nationalise and standardise a concrete set of morals that everyone should follow. I mean, you might be Christian and may not ever want to be gay, because you want to uphold the word of your God, but that doesn't mean you would want to make it illegal for everyone, and plus, according to Christianity he'd be forgiven anyway.

I mean, it's very possible to believe in saving sex till after marriage, but also understanding it's a private matter and every individual chooses on their own. Your political view differs from your moral view.

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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2007, 08:42:52 pm »
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lol, family first

don't they want to burn lesbians and such?


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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2007, 09:48:48 pm »
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astarael is a socialist !

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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2007, 12:47:28 am »
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Firstly, I don't think it's very constructive to label them socialists. I'd call them idealists. I'm an idealist too, but just with a more pragmatic approach, without conceding my values for some half-arsed goal.

It's normal for the youth to be inclined to the left. They like this idea that life shouldn't be such a struggle, that those higher than us shouldn't have it all for themselves. Somehow, they believe that they are exploiting us, and that we are losing out from them. We have this culture of disdain against our bosses and jealousy of the suppliers of essential goods. The idea that the higher are exploiting the lower is nonsense: the world is not zero-sum. There does not necessarily need to be losers if there are winners, that fallacious idea was shed long ago. Trades are mutually beneficial, otherwise the parties involved would not agree.

"Do not hold the delusion that your advancement is accomplished by crushing others." ? Marcus Tullius Cicero

The redistribution of wealth is appealing to many, but under simple economic arguments, the leftist argument no longer holds up. It destroys the necessary incentives that lead to the efficient allocation of resources envisioned by classical economists. When the rich and resourceful are taxed disproportionately by a progressive tax system, the incentive for the rich to provide and supply investment for people is reduced. Their earnings and ventures are eaten away by government. It is best to let them do what they do best: to invest in growing firms, and consequently providing jobs for workers.

Another problem with leftist economics is that despite it's vision to protect the poor, every policy designed by leftists directly hurts the poor, or inhibits their potential to transcend from rags to riches via fair opportunity. The illusion that the government tries to purport with ideas such as the minimum wage merely masks the "rags" from the poor. By simple logical principles, a minimum wage will stop unskilled workers from getting jobs. If a worker's unskilled labour is valued at $5/hr, and both parties agree, why should the government stop this trade? Minimum wage prevents the pairing of two individuals who would benefit from mutual benefits, and for no good reason! Other examples would be the taxing the rich, as explained above, would reduce investment capital, which means less jobs in the aggregate economy are available for workers. Or, even social welfare: the poor become dependent and there is simply no incentive to drive poor people to contribute to society.

The leftist belief destroys fair opportunities in exchange for "fair outcomes." Fair meaning equal of course, but equal to what? Person A might be equal to Person B, who might be equal to Person C, but what amount do all these people receive? Certainly not as much as the average wage in a free-market society. The incentives in a free-market society are the driving force for an efficient organisation of resources. The allocation of resources under a free-market rewards those who invest time and effort into innovation and labour. Would you pick fair opportunity, or fair outcome?

One concern of the youth of today is the lack of attention to civil liberties. It is an unfortunate case that the left tend to be the champions of social freedoms, and by default, the youth become indoctrinated in the left. People automatically dismiss the importance of economic freedom because they think: what would politicians know about freedom if they don't even care about rudimentary social freedoms such as the right to gay marriage? I mean, what does it matter if two people consent to a gay marriage. It doesn't affect me, it doesn't affect you, so why are we banning it?

However, there is a group that responds to both economic and social freedoms. They are called free-market libertarians, and they believe in both social freedom and economic freedom.

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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2007, 01:00:27 am »
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Fair meaning equal of course, but equal to what? Person A might be equal to Person B, who might be equal to Person C, but what amount do all these people receive? Certainly not as much as the average wage in a free-market society. The incentives in a free-market society are the driving force for an efficient organisation of resources. Would you pick fair opportunity, or fair outcome?


For a discussion as to what a "Fair Go" supposedly means see http://www.cis.org.au/Policy/autumn04/autumn04-1.htm

"The ?fair go? is a clich?, but it is a very powerful one. Most of us would be hard-pushed to come up with a clear definition, still less to identify the criteria by which it might be recognised, but it retains enormous symbolic significance because of its association with Australian national identity. To be Australian is to believe in the ?fair go?, even if it is not always clear what this means in practice..."

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It destroys the necessary incentives that lead to the efficient allocation of resources envisioned by classical economists. When the rich and resourceful are taxed disproportionately by a progressive tax system, the incentive for the rich to provide and supply investment for people is reduced. Their earnings and ventures are eaten away by government. It is best to let them do what they do best: to invest in growing firms, and consequently providing jobs for workers.


http://andrewleigh.com/?p=1676

http://www.nber.org/confer/2007/pef07/shleifer.pdf
"Our data reveal a consistent and large adverse effect of corporate taxation on both investment and entrepreneurship. A 10 percentage point increase in the effective corporate tax rate reduces the investment to GDP ratio by about 2 percentage points (mean is 21%), and the official entry rate by 1.3 percentage points (mean is 8%)."

http://www.biz.uwa.edu.au/home/research/discussionworking_papers/economics?f=162134
"In the 1970s, work hours in Europe were similar to work hours in America, but today Europeans work less than Americans. Prescott (2004) attributes the decline in European work hours to an increase in the effective marginal tax rate on labour income. The Australian labour market experience confirms that the taxation of labour income is an important determinant of the decision to work."

http://www.cis.org.au/policy_monographs/pm68.pdf
"a dollar increase in government revenue ends up costing far more in real terms than the dollar paid in taxes ? While tax revenues may be spent by government on beneficial uses, these benefits have to be weighed against the ?deadweight losses? (basically the value of lost output) incurred as a result of levying the tax in the first place"

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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2007, 07:22:32 pm »
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astarael is a socialist !


haha lol

i have marched with socialist alliance once or twice, but that was against the war in iraq - they just so happened to be organising the march.

lol, did anyone else hear about that 22 y.o. family first member who was ejected from the party after they found out he was like in a porno or something?  i laughed quite hard when i read that.
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2007, 07:41:57 pm »
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OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MENTIONING 'FAIR GO'
Example for english language of overused meaningless phrases that isn't mentioned in text books/assessment reports, and is in current-day use. I love you!

And the family first guy was a unspeakable site-er. The NSW people generally didnt like him and then a bunch of people pretended to be fangirls or something on msn in order to get pictures, and then spread them xD
So good to see chaser bag the hell out of him xD

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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2007, 07:59:17 pm »
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OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MENTIONING 'FAIR GO'
Example for english language of overused meaningless phrases that isn't


i tell you what else is meaningless the term "un-Australian"

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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2007, 08:08:04 pm »
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Quote from: "cara.mel"
OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MENTIONING 'FAIR GO'
Example for english language of overused meaningless phrases that isn't


i tell you what else is meaningless the term "un-Australian"


yeah you're right :) Except that one has become overused in english language (it was even above one of the essay questions in the vate practise exam this year. Apparently it's defined in the dictionary xD)
It's so annoying, you have to avoid using examples from the text books as much as possible to show you have a greater understanding of things blah blah :[
Fair go I have never seen mentioned but!!! =D

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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2007, 05:14:28 pm »
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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2007, 09:23:28 pm »
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bump


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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2007, 10:02:18 pm »
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thats a pretty high one nation score there :p