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IS THIS RIGHT? I THINK ITS WRONG?
« on: October 31, 2010, 02:46:00 pm »
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Hey guys.

question

a major difference in classical conditioning and operant conditioning is the timing of the response. the response occurs.

THEIR ANSWER  : after the stimulus in operant conditioning and before the stimulus in classical conditioning?

wot the hell?
is it my delusional state right now?

I always thought the stimulus comes FIRST in classical conditioning ... and SECOND in operant coniditiong? aka . the other way around from their answer

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Re: IS THIS RIGHT? I THINK ITS WRONG?
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2010, 02:53:48 pm »
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Re: IS THIS RIGHT? I THINK ITS WRONG?
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2010, 02:57:36 pm »
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you're correct, which paper is this from? I remember something similar and being shocked at such a horrible mistake! stupid external papers.
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2010, 02:58:11 pm »
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Of course you're right. How could any company get that wrong!
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2010, 02:58:21 pm »
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you're correct, which paper is this from? I remember something similar and being shocked at such a horrible mistake! stupid external papers.

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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2010, 03:01:40 pm »
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yeh pretty sure i've done that one...don't freak out, you're 100% in the right. Classical conditioning the stimulus is presented which in turn elicits the response. Opposite case for OC.
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Re: IS THIS RIGHT? I THINK ITS WRONG?
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2010, 03:03:37 pm »
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You're 100% correct, don't freak out lol.

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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2010, 03:03:59 pm »
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Hahahhaa! My teacher writes for IARTV/CSE for psych. Remind me to kill her haha.

I know she only does one section, so hopefully it's memory NOT learning. Otherwise my confidence in her is just gone haha.
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2010, 03:19:04 pm »
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is it the stimulus or reinforcement that comes after/before conditioning???

it doesnt make sense,... what is the stimulus in OC? and what is the reinforcement in CC??
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2010, 04:59:05 pm »
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stimulus comes before the response in both. a response can't come from no where
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Re: IS THIS RIGHT? I THINK ITS WRONG?
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2010, 05:04:35 pm »
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stimulus comes before the response in both. a response can't come from no where

No
The way i see it. ( written in many exams , neap 2010 , lisachem 2009 , tssm exam and one by my teacher).

Reinforcement = stimulus

The stimulus comes AFTER the response in operant conditioning

e.g

u be naughty = bahaviour
stimulus ( reinforcement ) = punished/grounded.

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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2010, 05:05:27 pm »
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stimulus comes before the response in both. a response can't come from no where
wait WHAT?
That's not right.
In Classical conditioning, stimulus then response.

In Operant conditioning, response then stimulus/reinforcement.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2010, 05:06:31 pm »
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sorry to burst your bubble dude, but the puzzle box was a stimulus in trial and error learning (I believe). the response occurs in the presence of a stimulus, which is then reinforced. what is conditioned in operant conditioning the association between a stimulus and the response, the response is either weakened through punishment or strengthened through reinforcement.

...I hope I don't have to wade through grivas again Grivas to the rescue:
"In operant conditioning, the presentation of the reinforcer depends on the response occurring first. The response occurs in the presence of a stimulus. The reinforcement strengthens the stimulus-response association" Pg. 489
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Re: IS THIS RIGHT? I THINK ITS WRONG?
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2010, 05:08:42 pm »
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Haha. Yep I'm on matt's side. I'm 100% sure on this. It was like the first thing I learnt about operant conditioning.
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Re: IS THIS RIGHT? I THINK ITS WRONG?
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2010, 05:10:47 pm »
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if anyone here can justify why a response would occur in operant conditioning without a stimulus (nothing to prompt it) but the response cannot occur in classical conditioning without something to prompt it... no one see a flaw in this?
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