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Re: VCE English Language Question Thread
« Reply #150 on: April 25, 2018, 12:12:42 pm »
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What metalanguage can be used to describe the words "yep" and "yeah"
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Re: VCE English Language Question Thread
« Reply #151 on: April 25, 2018, 12:45:00 pm »
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What metalanguage can be used to describe the words "yep" and "yeah"
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Depends when they're used in that context.
They can be minimal responses or devices for 'back-channelling' - basically just affirming

or they can be used as discourse particles e.g. to signal the end or subsequent change of a topic:
So if both interlocutors were talking about the weather, and then one of them says:
"So yeah I went to the party and she was there."
Sorry if this a bad example for the discourse particle!
Just tried to writed what I felt :)


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Re: VCE English Language Question Thread
« Reply #152 on: April 25, 2018, 03:06:55 pm »
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Hey!
Depends when they're used in that context.
They can be minimal responses or devices for 'back-channelling' - basically just affirming

or they can be used as discourse particles e.g. to signal the end or subsequent change of a topic:
So if both interlocutors were talking about the weather, and then one of them says:
"So yeah I went to the party and she was there."
Sorry if this a bad example for the discourse particle!
Just tried to writed what I felt :)

Thanks for you help. What is the purpose of emphatic stress and lengthening of sounds? What functions and social purposes can these two features achieve?
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Re: VCE English Language Question Thread
« Reply #153 on: April 25, 2018, 03:36:13 pm »
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Thanks for you help. What is the purpose of emphatic stress and lengthening of sounds? What functions and social purposes can these two features achieve?
Just letting you know, 'lengthening of sounds' is not a metalanguage term or anything! Just say 'emphatic stress on the phoneme...' and then if the whole word is emphasised, just say 'emphatic stress.'
So social purpose - building rapport, reinforcing a reduced social distance by using this conversational strategy and reinforcing the ingroup membership of people who are in that conversation, as they would expect and demand this conversational strategy from the other interlocutor.
The function (not a really special function, but just general) - emphasise a word and hence the feeling associated with that word, it often alienate the importance of other words (but be very very careful about this. Look at the context first, because that's what it depends on to a large extent.

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Re: VCE English Language Question Thread
« Reply #154 on: April 25, 2018, 06:11:53 pm »
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Would you consider this sentence to use Standard or Non-Standard English? "you would've got gold with Kevin Bloody Wilson" - "gold"  is referring to a gold medal, and "Kevin Bloody Wilson" is referring to one of his songs.
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Re: VCE English Language Question Thread
« Reply #155 on: April 26, 2018, 09:28:29 am »
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Would you consider this sentence to use Standard or Non-Standard English? "you would've got gold with Kevin Bloody Wilson" - "gold"  is referring to a gold medal, and "Kevin Bloody Wilson" is referring to one of his songs.

What are your thoughts? :)

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« Reply #156 on: April 26, 2018, 06:26:59 pm »
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What are your thoughts? :)

I think it might be relatively non standard. but i dont know why it is non standard and put it into words.
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Re: VCE English Language Question Thread
« Reply #157 on: April 26, 2018, 06:37:05 pm »
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I think it might be relatively non standard. but i dont know why it is non standard and put it into words.

Well, are there any particular parts of it that strike you as being a bit non-standard?

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« Reply #158 on: April 26, 2018, 06:57:48 pm »
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Well, are there any particular parts of it that strike you as being a bit non-standard?

Perhaps using the song artist's name as an abstract noun in place of "song". I dont really know
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Re: VCE English Language Question Thread
« Reply #159 on: April 26, 2018, 07:44:15 pm »
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Perhaps using the song artist's name as an abstract noun in place of "song". I dont really know
Sorry I'm interrupting this, but just my thoughts,
So I think that sentence is perfectly standard in that context. Both the interlocutors (or there may be more, I just haven't counted) are in a favourable and semantically appropriate context to infer that 'gold' refers to a medal and 'Kevin Bloody Wilson' refers to an artist (also, I don't think it refers to a 'song.' He's a musician, so I think don't mention anything about a 'song'?)
And, also if you think about it otherwise (forget the context), that sentence sounds and means perfectly standard!
So if I didn't know what was going on, I'd interpret that ok, someone's going to get something really really rewarding and precious just like precious gold (this would be metaphorical), or either they're going to get actual, physical gold, just because they've got the support from Kevin Bloody Wilson.
And if I didn't know who he was, that wouldn't matter at all! I'll just need to infer that Kevin...must be a really cool and invaluable person! :)

Sorry if all of this sounds really confusing!
But just as a summary : not everything has to be mentioned in a sentence/s to tick the standard box for those. If it's suitable to the context, then it's perfectly standard.

The sentence would've been non-standard if 'Kevin Bloody Wilson' wasn't capitalised (I mean that first letters of every word, because it's a proper noun)
The contraction 'would've' again is that dual-faceted example. I wouldn't call it non-standard, I'd just call it an informal feature. Why? Because it's perfectly 'standard' (appropriate) for the context that they're in --> it's a conversation, people want short, sharp convo, especially on an informal medium.

Once again, please please feel free to choose not to go by what I said, because I do Eng Lang too!!
So I'm never ever perfect :)
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Re: VCE English Language Question Thread
« Reply #160 on: April 26, 2018, 07:57:20 pm »
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Sorry I'm interrupting this, but just my thoughts,
So I think that sentence is perfectly standard in that context. Both the interlocutors (or there may be more, I just haven't counted) are in a favourable and semantically appropriate context to infer that 'gold' refers to a medal and 'Kevin Bloody Wilson' refers to an artist (also, I don't think it refers to a 'song.' He's a musician, so I think don't mention anything about a 'song'?)
And, also if you think about it otherwise (forget the context), that sentence sounds and means perfectly standard!
So if I didn't know what was going on, I'd interpret that ok, someone's going to get something really really rewarding and precious just like precious gold (this would be metaphorical), or either they're going to get actual, physical gold, just because they've got the support from Kevin Bloody Wilson.
And if I didn't know who he was, that wouldn't matter at all! I'll just need to infer that Kevin...must be a really cool and invaluable person! :)

Sorry if all of this sounds really confusing!
But just as a summary : not everything has to be mentioned in a sentence/s to tick the standard box for those. If it's suitable to the context, then it's perfectly standard.

The sentence would've been non-standard if 'Kevin Bloody Wilson' wasn't capitalised (I mean that first letters of every word, because it's a proper noun)
The contraction 'would've' again is that dual-faceted example. I wouldn't call it non-standard, I'd just call it an informal feature. Why? Because it's perfectly 'standard' (appropriate) for the context that they're in --> it's a conversation, people want short, sharp convo, especially on an informal medium.

Once again, please please feel free to choose not to go by what I said, because I do Eng Lang too!!
So I'm never ever perfect :)
Thanks!

Thanks for your insight, I really appreciate it. Do you think the use of "yeah" and "yep" makes it non standard and the use of "yeah" as a discourse particle
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« Reply #161 on: April 26, 2018, 08:30:51 pm »
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Thanks for your insight, I really appreciate it. Do you think the use of "yeah" and "yep" makes it non standard and the use of "yeah" as a discourse particle
I'd just call them informal features. Once again, they're standard or appropriate to the context - it's an informal convo. So informal language like 'yeah' and 'yep' are accepted and encouraged, so they're standard.
Sorry but you know how I think about non-standard, I think to myself has the word and/or the sentence structure, spelling, etc... been changed/modified?
If the answer is yes, then it's probably non-standard.
But nothing's been changed to 'yeah' and 'yep.' Someone once just made these up as synonyms for 'yes' so now everyone says this in an informal context.
But, if the transcript says 'gonna,' 'woujya" (phonological) or "wanna go?" (do you want to go)  then this is informal, but also non-standard! Because the interlocutor has modified or put their own touch to the norm of writing 'want to,' or 'going to.'
And also they've ellipted the subject - non-standard syntax.

Hope I make sense! :)


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Re: VCE English Language Question Thread
« Reply #162 on: April 26, 2018, 08:45:48 pm »
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I'd just call them informal features. Once again, they're standard or appropriate to the context - it's an informal convo. So informal language like 'yeah' and 'yep' are accepted and encouraged, so they're standard.
Sorry but you know how I think about non-standard, I think to myself has the word and/or the sentence structure, spelling, etc... been changed/modified?
If the answer is yes, then it's probably non-standard.
But nothing's been changed to 'yeah' and 'yep.' Someone once just made these up as synonyms for 'yes' so now everyone says this in an informal context.
But, if the transcript says 'gonna,' 'woujya" (phonological) or "wanna go?" (do you want to go)  then this is informal, but also non-standard! Because the interlocutor has modified or put their own touch to the norm of writing 'want to,' or 'going to.'
And also they've ellipted the subject - non-standard syntax.

Hope I make sense! :)

could you explain what you mean by "ellipted the subject - non standard syntax"
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Re: VCE English Language Question Thread
« Reply #163 on: April 26, 2018, 09:36:56 pm »
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Hello, I am writing a analytical commentary and I'm having issues with the third and fourth paragraph (prosodic features and content (subsystems). Right now im stuck on linking prosodic features back to (register, standard of english, social purpose, function etc.). I can easily pick up on them because the key is right up on the text, but the text is a sports talk show with comedians in it interviewing sportsman, there is alot of short pauses, lengthening of sound, overlapping speech and emphatic stress on perhaps key words for sentence, e.g. "I think that's fantastic". There also is alot of laughing, because well the hosts are comedians.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

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« Reply #164 on: April 26, 2018, 10:01:54 pm »
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Hello, I am writing a analytical commentary and I'm having issues with the third and fourth paragraph (prosodic features and content (subsystems). Right now im stuck on linking prosodic features back to (register, standard of english, social purpose, function etc.). I can easily pick up on them because the key is right up on the text, but the text is a sports talk show with comedians in it interviewing sportsman, there is alot of short pauses, lengthening of sound, overlapping speech and emphatic stress on perhaps key words for sentence, e.g. "I think that's fantastic". There also is alot of laughing, because well the hosts are comedians.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

How do you think prosodic features link back? do you have a particular example?
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