ATAR Notes: Forum
Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => University of Melbourne => Topic started by: ~T on January 06, 2014, 11:29:59 pm
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I'm currently looking at my subject options for this year and beyond. For some context: I love mathematics, I'd like to think that I'm good at mathematics, and I'm interested in economics/finance. I would like to ask about the benefits and drawbacks of doing either of the following in first year:
Option 1: Accelerated Mathematics 1, Accelerated Mathematics 2
Option 2: Accelerated Mathematics 1 and Calculus 2 (both semester 1), Real Analysis (semester 2)
Would I be missing anything by doing the first option? Similarly, the second? Given I did very well in year 12, would it be silly to do option 2? (I am led to believe that it would not be "silly", as even the best can supposedly struggle with AM 1 and 2)
I'm leaning towards option 2 for two (somewhat related) reasons:
1. I want to do as much mathematics as possible.
2. There are few science electives that I am interested in, so the more mathematics the better.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks :)
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I'm currently looking at my subject options for this year and beyond. For some context: I love mathematics, I'd like to think that I'm good at mathematics, and I'm interested in economics/finance. I would like to ask about the benefits and drawbacks of doing either of the following in first year:
Option 1: Accelerated Mathematics 1, Accelerated Mathematics 2
Option 2: Accelerated Mathematics 1 and Calculus 2 (both semester 1), Real Analysis (semester 2)
Would I be missing anything by doing the first option? Similarly, the second? Given I did very well in year 12, would it be silly to do option 2? (I am led to believe that it would not be "silly", as even the best can supposedly struggle with AM 1 and 2)
I'm leaning towards option 2 for two (somewhat related) reasons:
1. I want to do as much mathematics as possible.
2. There are few science electives that I am interested in, so the more mathematics the better.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks :)
Since you want to do as much maths as possible you should do option 2 except replace AM 1 with Linear Algebra. You prob won't struggle with option 1 but doing the 3 subjects separately would give you more time to understand each subject more thoroughly instead of mixing the three into two subjects. (many people here say that it is very fast paced-I did all 3 and I found the pace very comfortable).
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If you haven't seen it already, you should read from this post of the UoM thread downwards :)
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If you're going to take option 2 (and I suggest option 2 if you read the link from the above poster), take Linear Algebra, Calc 2 in Semester 1 and Real Analysis in Sem2. Don't take Accelerated Maths 1 and then move to a non-accelerated stream, it doesn't make any sense.
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I'd actually suggest Option 1, if you are looking for a challenge. You'll find Calculus 2 and Real Analysis to be relatively straightforward given that you did so well in Year 12. Moving from the accelerated stream to the non-accelerated stream is, as Hancock pointed out, inadvisable.
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Thank you to everyone for your advice. Reading through the posts that abcdqd pointed out, it seems that I still cover pretty much the same stuff in each option. However, I want to challenge myself (suggesting option 1), and I want to do as many mathematics subjects in first year as possible to lessen the number of science electives (suggesting option 2).
As some kind of twisted compromise, I have a third option which seems extreme (and possibly not allowed)...
Option 3: Accelerated Mathematics 1 and 2 (both semester 1), some Level 2 subject (semester 2)
How ridiculous would this be? From the handbook prerequisites it seems like it would be allowed, but maybe not? It would cover all of my wishes, but would it be too difficult to pull off?
Thanks again :)
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Option 3 won't work since AM 2 is only available in sem 2.
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Oh of course, hahaha. Thank you.
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Option 3 won't work since AM 2 is only available in sem 2.
Yeah, semester restrictions are what really affected what I wanted to do next year.
Come do AM 1 and 2 with me (:
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Yeah, semester restrictions are what really affected what I wanted to do next year.
Come do AM 1 and 2 with me (:
I think I might just do that :)
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perhaps im biased, but am1+2 are both amazing subjects. you'll have so much fun and learn heaps of things and itll be fantastical and brilliant!!
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Clearly scribs you own at Maths and are going to have no issues with Engineering Maths this year... I, on the other hand.....!
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LOL i actually scored pretty baddly(ish) in both am1+2 BUT IT WAS STILL FUN AND I HAVE #NOREGRETS
XD im not doing eng math anymore;; After AM1/2 being so brilliant, i decided i wanted to do more math and am now doing a diploma of applied math! (haha NEVER wouldve seen that coming before doing AM). So i have to do vector calc and differential equations instead of eng math.
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Hey scribble, you seem pretty set on the fact that AM was awesome, but would I miss any of that by doing Calc 2, Lin Alg, and Real Analysis? Don't they cover the same stuff?
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idk, we had really amazing/passionate/engaging lecturers in am1/2, and a cohort where a lot of the students have an appreciation for math so i think that made the subject more enjoyable.
ive occasionally crashed calc2 lectures for lols(or rather to hear concepts taught from a different perspective) and found the lectures to have a pretty "dead" vibe in comparison.
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I thought that might be the case, and it was the answer I was looking for without prompting you :P Thank you!
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I've encountered a potential problem if I choose to do Calc 2, Linear Algebra and Real Analysis in first year. This is the course plan I would be looking at:
Semester 1
- MAST10006: Calculus 2
- MAST10007: Linear Algebra
- PHYC10003: Physics 1
- ECON10004: Introductory Microeconomics
Semester 2
- MAST20026: Real Analysis
- PHYC10004 Physics 2: Physical Science & Technology
- FNCE10001 Finance 1
- Some Science Elective
The only problem I see with the above is that the Science handbook says that "Students must complete at least 50 science points at Level 1 before proceeding to Level 2 science subjects". Because I'm planning on doing the three maths subjects instead of Accelerated Mathematics 1 & 2, is there any chance I can get an exception to this requirement? By arguing that they are equivalent to the two Accelerated subjects which are only Level 1?
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If you talk to the SSC, you can get it exempted. You'll have to get decent grades to warrant it however and someone nice on the day.
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Are you sure that it's 50 points of science? I think that they changed it to just 50 points of 1st year subjects because I was able to do RA without any trouble in the study plan.
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Are you sure that it's 50 points of science? I think that they changed it to just 50 points of 1st year subjects because I was able to do RA without any trouble in the study plan.
Hey, thank you for raising that; it inspired me to double check and subsequently I realised that I read the "prior to 2011" bit by mistake. If anyone is wondering, vcestudent94 is indeed correct, it's just 50 points of any level 1 subjects before level 2. Similarly, You need 50 points of level 2 before any level 3.
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i know that a (relatively) large number of students who do umep math in year twelve do vector calc in first year sem1 (without having to go through the science student centre or anything) so im pretty sure theyre pretty lenient with the 50 points of study thing.
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i know that a (relatively) large number of students who do umep math in year twelve do vector calc in first year sem1 (without having to go through the science student centre or anything) so im pretty sure theyre pretty lenient with the 50 points of study thing.
Really? The handbook seems to suggest that Calc 2 and/or AM2 are prerequisites, while UMEP only covers the Linear Algebra / AM1 prereq, unless I'm reading it wrong.
If this is the case, is there any chance I could do Vector Calc in semester 2? I have made the decision to do the accelerated track, so I'll have AM1 under my belt and I would be doing AM2 concurrently.
EDIT: I'm still struggling to find a semester 2 science elective, so this would be a godsend :P
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Yo is it concerning that I literally have no idea what I'm doing once I get into my course? (subjects wise)
How do you know so much about this? I can't even name 2 subjects at the university lol
Right now all I know about my course (which is the same as the OP's) is that it takes me 1 bus, 1 train and 1 tram to get there, my ATAR should be enough to get me in and that I want to do a Masters in Engineering.
Not really; you've got a while before you have to make your decisions. Clearly you just have better things to do with your time :P If I get bored I have a look, plus I'm kind of really excited for uni. Also, a while back I was tossing up between ANU and UniMelb, and this involved checking out the subjects.
I'm pretty sure Vector Calc is only offered in semester 1.
Hmmm. If you look here, then it says both semesters:
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2014/%21B-SCI-SPC%2B1021
Whereas if you look here, for some reason it doesn't say anything :-\
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2014/MAST20009
Can someone clear this up?
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Really? The handbook seems to suggest that Calc 2 and/or AM2 are prerequisites, while UMEP only covers the Linear Algebra / AM1 prereq, unless I'm reading it wrong.
If this is the case, is there any chance I could do Vector Calc in semester 2? I have made the decision to do the accelerated track, so I'll have AM1 under my belt and I would be doing AM2 concurrently.
EDIT: I'm still struggling to find a semester 2 science elective, so this would be a godsend :P
yeah nah, you're reading it right. it does say calc2 is a prereq, but i definitely know people who took it before taking calc2/am2. just in case, you may want to email christine mangelsdorf about it though.
pretty sure that vector calc runs both semesters. it definitely did last year.
you enroll in the whole years subjects at the start of the year but you can change your sem2 subjects whever you want, so you can put anything there as filler if you dont want to choose now.
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The last few days something has been up with the Handbook where a whole heap of subjects are not listing the Semesters in which they are held. It could be because they are re-working this out based on enrolment numbers over the next couple of weeks.
I talked to a Professor who runs the Chem Sys major and he said they were working on a reshuffle of what subjects are being held in what semesters, so.... maybe that's the reason that info is temporarily omitted. But *shrug* I have no evidence.
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you'll be able to check when they run when you try to enroll in them in the portal anyways. i'd check but im already enrolled in vc for sem1 and am far too lazy unenroll and reenroll again.
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Thank you everyone!