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General Discussion => Sport => General Discussion Boards => Cricket => Topic started by: pi on October 23, 2010, 02:42:43 pm
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Don't rate Clarke at all, but Ponting's field placement has been questionable.
At this point in time Ponting should be made captain, nobody else has a valid claim besides Clarke.
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Don't rate Clarke at all, but Ponting's field placement has been questionable.
At this point in time Ponting should be made captain, nobody else has a valid claim besides Clarke.
i think cameron white would make a fine ODI captain, and leave the tests to someone else... (katich or haddin?)
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haddin? that bloke cannot, string two coherent sentences togther.
Katich is too quite,
I think hussey is the only other man capable, other than poting who should be the captain, for the time being.
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bump!
Any change of opinions after today?
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Why would there be a change in opinion? Top order failing is pretty independent of how good a captain is
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Why would there be a change in opinion? Top order failing is pretty independent of how good a captain is
What about the captainship during England's second innings at the GABBA?
My opinion: 'retire after Ashes', hasn't changed though
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We all grew up in a time where we had McGrath/Warne/Lee who would just rip through a batting line-up. We had Haddin/Langer/Waugh(s)/Taylor ...all experencied and talented batsmen. Now those guys are gone, we were fortunate to have them, but we are back to the reality of cricket. Ponting can't be held accountable for his bowlers being out of form and his batsmen giving up their wickets cheaply. Sure, he loses his wicket cheaply sometimes but he's still our #1 batsman and there is NOONE else who could be captain right now for the test squad. We can't afford to lose him, not yet.
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We all grew up in a time where we had McGrath/Warne/Lee who would just rip through a batting line-up. We had Haddin/Langer/Waugh(s)/Taylor ...all experencied and talented batsmen. Now those guys are gone, we were fortunate to have them, but we are back to the reality of cricket. Ponting can't be held accountable for his bowlers being out of form and his batsmen giving up their wickets cheaply. Sure, he loses his wicket cheaply sometimes but he's still our #1 batsman and there is NOONE else who could be captain right now for the test squad. We can't afford to lose him, not yet.
I agree with that entirely.
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We all grew up in a time where we had McGrath/Warne/Lee who would just rip through a batting line-up. We had Haddin/Langer/Waugh(s)/Taylor ...all experencied and talented batsmen. Now those guys are gone, we were fortunate to have them, but we are back to the reality of cricket. Ponting can't be held accountable for his bowlers being out of form and his batsmen giving up their wickets cheaply. Sure, he loses his wicket cheaply sometimes but he's still our #1 batsman and there is NOONE else who could be captain right now for the test squad. We can't afford to lose him, not yet.
I agree with that entirely.
Especially with Clarke (VC) underperforming these days...
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We all grew up in a time where we had McGrath/Warne/Lee who would just rip through a batting line-up. We had Haddin/Langer/Waugh(s)/Taylor ...all experencied and talented batsmen. Now those guys are gone, we were fortunate to have them, but we are back to the reality of cricket. Ponting can't be held accountable for his bowlers being out of form and his batsmen giving up their wickets cheaply. Sure, he loses his wicket cheaply sometimes but he's still our #1 batsman and there is NOONE else who could be captain right now for the test squad. We can't afford to lose him, not yet.
I agree with that entirely.
Especially with Clarke (VC) underperforming these days...
The selectors need to lift their game and allow Australia to find the next Waugh, Border, McGrath etc.
Cam White has proven to be an excellent Test captain, leading the Bushrangers to the Sheffield Sheild title last year.
Also, don't forget Ronald McDonald (Andrew McDonald). He's a decent all-rounder and has been hitting form lately. Filled in as temporary captain for the Vics and did a great job as well.
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Everyone's quick to blame selectors but the fact is there's not much to select from. There's NO spinner in Australia that can clean up half a batting lineup in a day's play. Johnson's our most dangerous bowler when in form and our batsmen right now are the best line-up we have.
We need to wait and hope more talented cricketers come along. In the mean time, lets enjoy some exciting cricket with a little suspense shall we?
Ricky Ponting is a great captain, our current team does not have the talent to match the Australian teams over the last 20-odd years.
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We all grew up in a time where we had McGrath/Warne/Lee who would just rip through a batting line-up. We had Haddin/Langer/Waugh(s)/Taylor ...all experencied and talented batsmen. Now those guys are gone, we were fortunate to have them, but we are back to the reality of cricket. Ponting can't be held accountable for his bowlers being out of form and his batsmen giving up their wickets cheaply. Sure, he loses his wicket cheaply sometimes but he's still our #1 batsman and there is NOONE else who could be captain right now for the test squad. We can't afford to lose him, not yet.
+1 But i agree with others in saying that Clarke is not ready for captaincy and that Ponting is the best individual to be captain right now. ALso isnt Clarke injured? Why has he been selected even if does have a minor problem.... YOu cant determine if a player can play 5 strenuous and intense days of cricket from his performance in training or whatever they do... Im sure Hughes who is 100% fit would contribute more than CLarke.
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We all grew up in a time where we had McGrath/Warne/Lee who would just rip through a batting line-up. We had Haddin/Langer/Waugh(s)/Taylor ...all experencied and talented batsmen. Now those guys are gone, we were fortunate to have them, but we are back to the reality of cricket. Ponting can't be held accountable for his bowlers being out of form and his batsmen giving up their wickets cheaply. Sure, he loses his wicket cheaply sometimes but he's still our #1 batsman and there is NOONE else who could be captain right now for the test squad. We can't afford to lose him, not yet.
+1 But i agree with others in saying that Clarke is not ready for captaincy and that Ponting is the best individual to be captain right now. ALso isnt Clarke injured? Why has he been selected even if does have a minor problem.... YOu cant determine if a player can play 5 strenuous and intense days of cricket from his performance in training or whatever they do... Im sure Hughes who is 100% fit would contribute more than CLarke.
I don't think Clarke would have played, had he not felt 100% fit. The medical team in Australia's camp would have also been consulted as to whether he should play or not. Ultimately the medical team gave him the all-clear to play. If anything, Clarke's just in poor form.
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I do agree that Clarke may be in poor form... hopefully he can get some rhythm in the next innings then get a nice score in the 3rd test.
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I do agree that Clarke may be in poor form... hopefully he can get some rhythm in the next innings then get a nice score in the 3rd test.
Agreed - i.e. Hussey - he got 195 in the first test, then 93 today.
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I do agree that Clarke may be in poor form... hopefully he can get some rhythm in the next innings then get a nice score in the 3rd test.
Agreed - i.e. Hussey - he got 195 in the first test, then 93 today.
To no avail... :(
Back onto Ponting, has anyone else noticed that whenever he loses, he sends out anyone but himself for a press-conference (such as today with Clarke) -obviously he can't escape the captain's speech- and whenever he wins he takes the glory of the first interview (even if he doesn't do much). No other test captain does that, they all front up to a loss. In addition, Ponting has spent the whole two weeks prior to the Ashes criticising just about all of opponents: Struass (then made a 100), Swan (then took a 5-for), KP (we all know what he did), Cook (back to back 100s), Broad (looked better than any of the Aussie bowlers), even Hauritz in the Shield game! Combined with his lack of confidence with the pool shot, I think it is his bitter arrogance that is bringing him down. He backs away from losses, can't graciously win and puts dirt on all of opponents. Sure he is experienced and is a great batsmen, but he has got some serious problems right now and is leading the team in the wrong direction.
I say 'bye, bye' Ponting after the Ashes. Put something nice in the Wisden for him and a free poster in The Age. Done.
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Siddle is Australia's best pace bowler, not Johnson.
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yeah ponting is most likely gone after the ashes, clarke will probably take over.....
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yeah ponting is most likely gone after the ashes, clarke will probably take over.....
clarke is no good either. I reckon Hussey should take over.
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yeah ponting is most likely gone after the ashes, clarke will probably take over.....
clarke is no good either. I reckon Hussey should take over.
Hussey is too old. You need someone young that will spend at least a decade in charge.
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yeah ponting is most likely gone after the ashes, clarke will probably take over.....
clarke is no good either. I reckon Hussey should take over.
Hussey is too old. You need someone young that will spend at least a decade in charge.
I agree with taht, but there isnt anyone apart from Clarke who can take the position. If Clarke can play much more consistently then i wouldnt mind him
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yeah ponting is most likely gone after the ashes, clarke will probably take over.....
clarke is no good either. I reckon Hussey should take over.
Hussey's too old. Most likely option apart from clarke is Watson.
Siddle is Australia's best pace bowler, not Johnson.
Johnson is a matchwinner, when both at 100%, Johnson owns.
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Siddle is Australia's best pace bowler, not Johnson.
Johnson is a matchwinner, when both at 100%, Johnson owns.
agreed!
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Siddle is Australia's best pace bowler, not Johnson.
Johnson is a matchwinner, when both at 100%, Johnson owns.
agreed!
+1 once he gains some form he will be dangerous.
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Disagree, but theres not really any point in arguing about it.
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yeah ponting is most likely gone after the ashes, clarke will probably take over.....
clarke is no good either. I reckon Hussey should take over.
Hussey is too old. You need someone young that will spend at least a decade in charge.
We will never have anyone young as captain because the 'old' guys keep getting picked (the wrong ones too ;) ). Hussey is old (but good), Ponting's going soon (especially if he loses the Ashes, third time for him as captain), Haddin is old (and good), North is 30-something (shouldn't be in the team anyway), Katich is old (good, but now injured), Hauritz can't be captain, Clarke is no longer a Pup (29-ish), and Watson's also like 29 (fairly old for a pace-bowler).
Australia needs some youth, or they should be prepared to put a bowler as captain for the first time in over 50 years!
Siddle is Australia's best pace bowler, not Johnson.
Johnson is a matchwinner, when both at 100%, Johnson owns.
Both are rarely at 100% simultaneously. that's the problem.
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Australia needs some youth, or they should be prepared to put a bowler as captain for the first time in over 50 years!
Totally agreed. Australia are slowly sliding down the World Rankings... hopefully with some youth injection/changes in the team, we can regain our position as the best team in the world, in all forms of cricket.
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Ponting's career is being saved today... By a person who was dropped in the previous game.
Cricket's definitely a funny game ;)
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Ponting's career is being saved today... By a person who was dropped in the previous game.
Cricket's definitely a funny game ;)
Not entirely saved :P Now he has to play his part - hit a big score!!
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Ponting's career is being saved today... By a person who was dropped in the previous game.
Cricket's definitely a funny game ;)
Not entirely saved :P Now he has to play his part - hit a big score!!
At least it wasn't a duck?
*tries to find positive*
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Combined with his lack of confidence with the pool shot
Come on, I can't be the only one who noticed this...
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Combined with his lack of confidence with the pool shot
Come on, I can't be the only one who noticed this...
Pool and hooking, he goes out on it more often than not these days... Sign of low confidence or age? Or both?
If he's playing to beat Tendulkar (as reported in many subcontinental nations), he should stop now, he has no chance. He needs to play the game for his country and not for his career. I believe alleviating him from captaincy (like India did to Tendulkar) will ease pressures on him and allow him to perform at his best once again.
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I think he's a goner after today's performance...
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I still don't think the selectors will drop him as captain, if he retires that's something else. He's got more brownie points than anyone else in the team, so he can trade on those for Sydney
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I still don't think the selectors will drop him as captain, if he retires that's something else. He's got more brownie points than anyone else in the team, so he can trade on those for Sydney
Oh well, out for Sydney at least