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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #18090 on: August 28, 2019, 11:04:08 am »
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What is the notation for defining normal and binomial distributions with known parameters n and p (or mean and sd)?

Normal distribution: \(X\sim \mathcal N(\mu, \sigma^2)\)
Binomial distribution: : \(X\sim \text{Bi}(n, p)\)
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« Reply #18091 on: August 28, 2019, 11:09:52 am »
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Ahh thanks!!
Totally forgot about polynomials !!!
And for the other question I'm asking about the stationary point when the gradient is 0 of the derived graph. because for instance 3x(x+3)^2, the x-value  of the stationary point (m=0) of the cubic will be -3  I've not sure if this will work for quartic, x^5, x^6 graphs

hope that makes sense >>.<<
For quartics I think that it is different, I am not too sure, (You might want to ask like someone else). And DW about x^5 or x^6 graphs, (They are not in the study design :) ). From what I know, the roots of a quartic are solvable by radicals but then that becomes very very complicated. So yeah soz I can't help too much out there.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #18092 on: August 28, 2019, 11:18:47 am »
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Normal distribution: \(X\sim \mathcal N(\mu, \sigma^2)\)
Binomial distribution: : \(X\sim \text{Bi}(n, p)\)


Does the ~ not define approximately? and are we allowed to write 0.025^2 if sd=0.025 or do we need to find its square?
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #18093 on: August 28, 2019, 11:29:22 am »
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Does the ~ not define approximately? and are we allowed to write 0.025^2 if sd=0.025 or do we need to find its square?
The post Tau made is proper probability notation. In this context, ~ does not mean approximately

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #18094 on: August 28, 2019, 11:30:16 am »
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Does the ~ not define approximately? and are we allowed to write 0.025^2 if sd=0.025 or do we need to find its square?

The tilde indicates that the random variable has a specific distribution, not that it is approximately equal to something. I would say that is better to write 0.025^2 then to explicitly give the squared value. That’s makes it explicit that the sd is the unsquared value.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #18095 on: August 28, 2019, 08:38:09 pm »
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Ok thanks ^^^111^^^^

I've also got another question =[
How do you make
\(3\left(x+2\right)^2\cdot \left(x^2+1\right)-2x\left(x+2\right)^3\) equal \(\left(x+2\right)^2\left(x-3\right)\left(x-1\right)\) ?
I'm having some problems >.<

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« Reply #18096 on: August 28, 2019, 10:48:57 pm »
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Ok thanks ^^^111^^^^

I've also got another question =[
How do you make
\(3\left(x+2\right)^2\cdot \left(x^2+1\right)-2x\left(x+2\right)^3\) equal \(\left(x+2\right)^2\left(x-3\right)\left(x-1\right)\) ?
I'm having some problems >.<
Hey,
The first step would be to simplify both sides of the equation by dividing them both by (x+2)^2. Then we will have 3(x2+1) - 2x(x+2)3 = (x-3)(x-1). Now by expanding both sides and simplifying we get:
-22x2 -2x4 - 12x -12x3. (Let me know if you want clarification how i ended up with this).
After that we can solve for x by using the factor theorem and long division. So using the factor theorem of polynomials we can say that (x+1) is a factor of the  quartic polynomial. Then, by using long division and repeating the process again for the cubic polynomial derived, we can safely say that x = -1 , -2, 0,  (I'll let u find the last one ;) )
Please tell me if I had made any mistakes.
Hope that helps :)
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #18097 on: August 28, 2019, 11:02:50 pm »
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Hey,
The first step would be to simplify both sides of the equation by dividing them both by (x+2)^2. Then we will have 3(x2+1) - 2x(x+2)3 = (x-3)(x-1). Now by expanding both sides and simplifying we get:
-22x2 -2x4 - 12x -12x3. (Let me know if you want clarification how i ended up with this).
After that we can solve for x by using the factor theorem and long division. So using the factor theorem of polynomials we can say that (x+1) is a factor of the  quartic polynomial. Then, by using long division and repeating the process again for the cubic polynomial derived, we can safely say that x = -1 , -2, 0,  (I'll let u find the last one ;) )
Please tell me if I had made any mistakes.
Hope that helps :)
This works but it's a bit of a roundabout way to do it.

This method would be better as you don't need to solve a 3rd degree polynomial which can be tedious.
Firstly observe that both the equations already have (x+2)^2 in them. So first thing we can do is factor it out of the first one.





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« Reply #18098 on: August 29, 2019, 09:37:36 am »
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This works but it's a bit of a roundabout way to do it.

This method would be better as you don't need to solve a 3rd degree polynomial which can be tedious.
Firstly observe that both the equations already have (x+2)^2 in them. So first thing we can do is factor it out of the first one.






Fair enough!  :) :) :)

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« Reply #18099 on: August 29, 2019, 10:44:04 am »
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Hey,
The first step would be to simplify both sides of the equation by dividing them both by (x+2)^2. Then we will have 3(x2+1) - 2x(x+2)3 = (x-3)(x-1). Now by expanding both sides and simplifying we get:
-22x2 -2x4 - 12x -12x3. (Let me know if you want clarification how i ended up with this).
After that, we can solve for x by using the factor theorem and long division. So using the factor theorem of polynomials we can say that (x+1) is a factor of the quartic polynomial. Then, by using long division and repeating the process again for the cubic polynomial derived, we can safely say that x = -1, -2, 0,  (I'll let u find the last one ;) )
Please tell me if I had made any mistakes.
Hope that helps :)
Why are you in a Methods thread when you are in year 9? Followed you from the JMSS entrance 2019 thread.

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« Reply #18100 on: August 29, 2019, 01:20:29 pm »
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Why are you in a Methods thread when you are in year 9? Followed you from the JMSS entrance 2019 thread.
Idk what do you mean, I just want to contribute my knowledge that's all. :)

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #18101 on: August 29, 2019, 01:45:43 pm »
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Ok thanks ^^^111^^^^

I've also got another question =[
How do you make
\(3\left(x+2\right)^2\cdot \left(x^2+1\right)-2x\left(x+2\right)^3\) equal \(\left(x+2\right)^2\left(x-3\right)\left(x-1\right)\) ?
I'm having some problems >.<
\(3\left(x+2\right)^2\cdot \left(x^2+1\right)-2x\left(x+2\right)^3\)
In this case the factor (X+2)2 is obvious on the both side of the plus sign. So you should divide that first. So it becomes a product of (X+2)2and other stuff .
This factorization is not hard as it only contains a single pronumeral and the (x+2)2.  So you basically factorize a binomial instead of trinomial... where you have all kinds of crazy stuff like a3-b3=(a-b)(a2+b2+ab), a3+b3=(a+b)(a2+b2-ab), (a+b)3=a3+a2b+ab2+b. Imagine going ^5 ,^7 and more (odd number powers are usually harder)
It becomes much harder and almost impossible as you go ^3 and more without an obvious common factor.
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« Reply #18102 on: August 29, 2019, 04:01:55 pm »
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\(3\left(x+2\right)^2\cdot \left(x^2+1\right)-2x\left(x+2\right)^3\)
In this case the factor (X+2)2 is obvious on the both side of the plus sign. So you should divide that first. So it becomes a product of (X+2)2and other stuff .
This factorization is not hard as it only contains a single pronumeral and the (x+2)2.  So you basically factorize a binomial instead of trinomial... where you have all kinds of crazy stuff like a3-b3=(a-b)(a2+b2+ab), a3+b3=(a+b)(a2+b2-ab), (a+b)3=a3+a2b+ab2+b. Imagine going ^5 ,^7 and more (odd number powers are usually harder)
It becomes much harder and almost impossible as you go ^3 and more without an obvious common factor.
Remember trinomial is an expression with three terms and binomial is two terms.
So a trinomial is like 2x + 5y2 -3, and binomial is like 5x-1.
This works but it's a bit of a roundabout way to do it.

This method would be better as you don't need to solve a 3rd degree polynomial which can be tedious.
Firstly observe that both the equations already have (x+2)^2 in them. So first thing we can do is factor it out of the first one.






I merely used another way as a continuation from what I told aspiringantelope previously (about the factor theorem and so on).
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #18103 on: August 30, 2019, 08:57:54 am »
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Remember trinomial is an expression with three terms and binomial is two terms.
So a trinomial is like 2x + 5y2 -3, and binomial is like 5x-1.I merely used another way as a continuation from what I told aspiringantelope previously (about the factor theorem and so on).
Oh, i mess up with those terms again. I mean...cubic equations...maybe?
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« Reply #18104 on: August 30, 2019, 09:33:15 am »
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Oh, i mess up with those terms again. I mean...cubic equations...maybe?
DW , it really doesn't matter for now :). Yeah you can say cubic equations,but usually for cubics and quartics, they are collectively called as polynomials.