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Title: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Joseph41 on October 22, 2019, 01:55:37 pm
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Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Arthurmorgan on November 12, 2019, 12:16:31 pm
Seemed like a similar difficulty to other years.
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Joseph41 on November 12, 2019, 12:18:03 pm
Seemed like a similar difficulty to other years.

How was it in terms of length?
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Arthurmorgan on November 12, 2019, 12:19:52 pm
How was it in terms of length?

It seemed a bit longer than last years but nothing to significant.
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Sai Ramishetty on November 12, 2019, 12:23:14 pm
For question 9, what did u guys get for current efficiency?
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: ProfitBirb on November 12, 2019, 12:26:08 pm
Wish I could have done that exam with as high efficiency as I calculated the electrolysis to have... ended up with 300something% and didn’t get time at the end to go back and see what I did wrong. Agh. Very angry at myself for that. The rest of it was quite hard but I think I got most of it.
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: ineedwater on November 12, 2019, 12:26:49 pm
For question 9, what did u guys get for current efficiency?
90-something %.
Exam for me definitely felt longer. Was mostly manageable but that last question took me like 20-30mins to finish writing, leaving me with no time to check rip
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Jim_Bob on November 12, 2019, 12:38:20 pm
More difficult than 2017 i believe
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: KiNSKi01 on November 12, 2019, 01:06:53 pm
Thought this year was significantly more difficult than previous years
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: iroze007 on November 12, 2019, 01:21:13 pm
Could anyone please upload an extra copy of the exam. They didnt let us take an extra copy at my school. (sols would be even better.)

Thank you very much
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: anoushka_iyer on November 12, 2019, 01:30:23 pm
sooo pushed for timee
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: 3086 on November 12, 2019, 02:02:26 pm
What's the A+ gonna be? Any predictions?
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: justaloser on November 12, 2019, 02:11:44 pm
Felt quite long even though it was 1 page longer than last year's. The experimental question (electrolysis) was quite interesting but overall it felt more difficult compared to past years or maybe it's because I didn't prepare enough :^(
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Flyfishy on November 12, 2019, 02:12:42 pm
that was so hard
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: 3086 on November 12, 2019, 02:16:56 pm
Felt quite long even though it was 1 page longer than last year's. The experimental question (electrolysis) was quite interesting but overall it felt more difficult compared to past years or maybe it's because I didn't prepare enough :^(


It did feel more difficult than previous years especially cause it was long and some questions were there to trip you up.
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Kyokushinkai on November 12, 2019, 02:21:28 pm
Is it possible for anyone to post up the solutions like the methods section?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: angrybiscuit on November 12, 2019, 02:26:23 pm
What's the A+ gonna be? Any predictions?

Last year you needed 97/120... if everyone found it hard fingers cross it's lower to around 95/120
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: 3086 on November 12, 2019, 02:43:07 pm
Really hoping its around 93/120
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Friendsfvv on November 12, 2019, 02:59:25 pm
90-something %.
Exam for me definitely felt longer. Was mostly manageable but that last question took me like 20-30mins to finish writing, leaving me with no time to check rip

Yeah I got 90% something as well.

What did you guys do for whether the results were accurate? I said it wasn't because it wasn't concordant but I doubt that's right haha
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: KiNSKi01 on November 12, 2019, 04:08:12 pm
Yo is precision susceptible to bias? There was an MCQ with that as an answer and I had to guess that question because it felt like two options were right
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Jim_Bob on November 12, 2019, 04:20:41 pm
I said repeating experiments reduces the likelihood of random error
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: AnonymooseUser on November 12, 2019, 04:27:09 pm
I said repeating experiments reduces the likelihood of random error

You're right, but I think it said uncertainty not random error, which I don't think is reduced as it would be consistent in every trial. Correct me if I'm wrong though and it said random error.

Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: briv01 on November 12, 2019, 04:28:37 pm
Guysss I have a really important question,
How many marks was the last question
After the experimental design?
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Lachlanmartino19 on November 12, 2019, 04:32:28 pm
What did everyone's concentration time graph look like, what increased and dropped?
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: emw2101 on November 12, 2019, 04:33:42 pm
Guysss I have a really important question,
How many marks was the last question
After the experimental design?

It was 9 marks 😬 didn’t finish
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Jim_Bob on November 12, 2019, 04:43:40 pm
You're right, but I think it said uncertainty not random error, which I don't think is reduced as it would be consistent in every trial. Correct me if I'm wrong though and it said random error.

What was ur answer?

Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: AnonymooseUser on November 12, 2019, 04:59:37 pm
You're right, but I think it said uncertainty not random error, which I don't think is reduced as it would be consistent in every trial. Correct me if I'm wrong though and it said random error.

What was ur answer?

I chose the 'precise results can be biased' option - not that I know its right. My line of thought was that since precision only refers to how close your measured results are, it doesn't matter if you rigged the experiment because even though the data is not reliable or valid, as long as the results are close together it would still be precise.
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Ironiic on November 12, 2019, 05:03:27 pm
Did most people struggle finishing? I'm kicking myself because I spent too much time on short answer and completely neglected MC until the last 10 minutes, and had to guess most of it - I'm so annoyed because the questions were what I was comfortable with asking and I basically threw away marks for myself :(
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: bignog2 on November 12, 2019, 05:04:23 pm
What did everyone's concentration time graph look like, what increased and dropped?
Cl- concentration sharply decreased, and as it reached equilibrium Co2+ went up by 1x Cl- went up by 4x, [CoCl4]2- went down by 1x
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Ali Ali on November 12, 2019, 05:15:34 pm
Did most people struggle finishing? I'm kicking myself because I spent too much time on short answer and completely neglected MC until the last 10 minutes, and had to guess most of it - I'm so annoyed because the questions were what I was comfortable with asking and I basically threw away marks for myself :(
opposite problem here, spent so much time in MC that i had to either leave blank or guess q7, 8 and 9 despite most of them being pretty free.
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Ali Ali on November 12, 2019, 05:16:42 pm
exam was most definitely longer than previous years though.I could usually finish most exams with 20-30 mins left but this one i had about 20-25 marks completely unanswered before time ran out
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Kyokushinkai on November 12, 2019, 05:18:24 pm
Could anyone tell me if I’m right:

For the concentration time graph we had to draw, I drew all species as decreasing in concentration. My reasoning was that since AgNO3 was added, it would dissociate into Ag+ and NO3- and the NO3- ions would react with the CoCl4+ (or whatever it was) and Co2+, while the Ag+ ions would react with the Cl-, thus drecreasing the concentration of all species.
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Sai Ramishetty on November 12, 2019, 05:38:56 pm
Could anyone tell me if I’m right:

For the concentration time graph we had to draw, I drew all species as decreasing in concentration. My reasoning was that since AgNO3 was added, it would dissociate into Ag+ and NO3- and the NO3- ions would react with the CoCl4+ (or whatever it was) and Co2+, while the Ag+ ions would react with the Cl-, thus drecreasing the concentration of all species.
There was a similar question like this on the NHT 2019 exam question 7. According to the examination report, only the concentration of Cl^-1 is reduced when AgNO3 is added to the equilibrium system. The NO3- does not make any difference as they do not say it reacts with the other positive ion. Please refer the NHT examination report for complete details.
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: tubbc on November 12, 2019, 05:40:14 pm
Anyone have solutions to multiple choice?
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: 3086 on November 12, 2019, 05:56:57 pm
Cl- concentration sharply decreased, and as it reached equilibrium Co2+ went up by 1x Cl- went up by 4x, [CoCl4]2- went down by 1x

That's what I did, however, shouldn't all decrease as you are adding a compound that sort of acts like an inert compound so should all go down and then increase.
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: 3086 on November 12, 2019, 06:00:37 pm
There was a similar question like this on the NHT 2019 exam question 7. According to the examination report, only the concentration of Cl^-1 is reduced when AgNO3 is added to the equilibrium system. The NO3- does not make any difference as they do not say it reacts with the other positive ion. Please refer the NHT examination report for complete details.

But if it reacts with Cl then should its concentration decrease and then increase as the system establishes equilibrium?
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Sai Ramishetty on November 12, 2019, 06:01:13 pm
That's what I did, however, shouldn't all decrease as you are adding a compound that sort of acts like an inert compound so should all go down and then increase.
No only concentration of Cl- reduces. This was similar to the question in 2019 NHT. It’s question 7. Please do refer examination report. In both questions, there is a positive ion. I am pretty sure both don’t react.
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Sai Ramishetty on November 12, 2019, 06:01:51 pm

But if it reacts with Cl then should its concentration decrease and then increase as the system establishes equilibrium?
Yes
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Kyokushinkai on November 12, 2019, 06:32:55 pm
No only concentration of Cl- reduces. This was similar to the question in 2019 NHT. It’s question 7. Please do refer examination report. In both questions, there is a positive ion. I am pretty sure both don’t react.

Yeah but if [Cl-] reduces, then also the [[CoCl4]2+] would decrease since the reaction would move forward due to the reduced product concentration.
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Matthew_Whelan on November 12, 2019, 06:35:46 pm
Not that it really matters now but I thought adding an inert molecule would increase the pressure of the system which would favour the reaction that produces less moles.
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: tx inspire on November 13, 2019, 06:31:15 am
What was the answer to the fuel blend question? It asked how much energy was released
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: sk2000 on November 13, 2019, 07:20:22 am
What was the answer to the fuel blend question? It asked how much energy was released

I got something like 3400kj. Not sure if its right but I think I did the calculations correctly.

Anyone know what they got for the grams of sucrose in the soda can?
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: sk2000 on November 13, 2019, 07:31:51 am
Not that it really matters now but I thought adding an inert molecule would increase the pressure of the system which would favour the reaction that produces less moles.

Inert molecule never does anything, it does increase the pressure of the system so there are more collisions but it doesn't react so the collisions aren't successful.
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: c-l-a-u-d-i-a-a-a on November 13, 2019, 08:50:52 am
Has anyone got solutions yet??
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: flozza00 on November 13, 2019, 09:01:02 am
I got : D A D.  D B.  B C B   B C A   D A A C(?) D B D. C D  D A B  A. A C  B B C B
Happy to debate
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: drops on November 13, 2019, 09:32:30 am
If someone can upload the exam paper....that would be great
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: PhoenixxFire on November 13, 2019, 10:46:34 am
If someone can upload the exam paper....that would be great
Hey,
Unfortunately we can't upload exam papers to AN until after they're released by VCAA because they're copyrighted.
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: izam25 on November 13, 2019, 01:24:07 pm
Has anyone got any solutions? (For this year's exam)
Also, are there any A+ cutoff predictions?
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: bignog2 on November 13, 2019, 03:11:55 pm
I got : D A D.  D B.  B C B   B C A   D A A C(?) D B D. C D  D A B  A. A C  B B C B
Happy to debate
are the full stops meant to mean anything or just separators?
i got
C A D.  D B.  B C A   B C A   D A A C  D D
so approx 3 differences, thats all i could copy down before they took my paper away
do you remember what any of them actually were about?
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Purple1! on November 13, 2019, 04:07:51 pm
Anyone have solutions for short answer?
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: monopoly on November 13, 2019, 06:17:52 pm
I'm guessing around 82-83%
It couldn’t be higher than 2018?
Title: Re: VCE Chemistry Exam - 12/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: izam25 on November 13, 2019, 07:07:45 pm
It couldn’t be higher than 2018?

surely it'd go down? Like similar (hopefully lower that) 2017?