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« Reply #630 on: October 24, 2014, 09:35:19 pm »
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Can I write as a diseased author, e.g. Christopher Hitchens? Should I put a time period/publication date for when he was alive? This is for context.

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« Reply #631 on: October 24, 2014, 10:45:03 pm »
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Hi Walkec,
You teacher is absolutely correct; signposting your points is not necessary and may be overly formulaic. Assessors prefer original ways of constructing an introduction; this may include historical context, an elucidation of the prompt and including provocative challenges to it. The introduction is for capturing the examiner's eye and therefore, you must be unique. Similarly, for conclusions I recommend making a general comment about historical context, different audience interpretations or something about authorial construction. Conversely, some picky assessors will prefer the 'normal' method. I am doing Lit and I never had an English style conclusion or introduction. Signposting and repeating ideas may also appear tautologous and unoriginal. However, it may be prudent to include the mundane signposting of points in order to appease the fussy assessors. 
   

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« Reply #632 on: October 24, 2014, 10:56:00 pm »
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Hi Walkec,
You teacher is absolutely correct; signposting your points is not necessary and may be overly formulaic. Assessors prefer original ways of constructing an introduction; this may include historical context, an elucidation of the prompt and including provocative challenges to it. The introduction is for capturing the examiner's eye and therefore, you must be unique. Similarly, for conclusions I recommend making a general comment about historical context, different audience interpretations or something about authorial construction. Conversely, some picky assessors will prefer the 'normal' method. I am doing Lit and I never had an English style conclusion or introduction. Signposting and repeating ideas may also appear tautologous and unoriginal. However, it may be prudent to include the mundane signposting of points in order to appease the fussy assessors. 
   

Challenging the prompt itself is going to be a priority of mine. I always begin with some history, e.g. Seeded in the Coup De'tat of 1969 (bla bla In the Country of Men). I write my introduction last, so that it is mightily clear for the examiner what I am doing and making sure I have some freedom with my body paragraphs than I would not have had otherwise, if I had written my introduction first. I write the first sentence or two first of the introduction, and then the rest after.

To the contrary, I have been recommended to write a formulaic introduction, on the 'examiner will not understand your piece in its entirety argument'.
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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #633 on: October 25, 2014, 01:21:41 pm »
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Just a quick question about referring to the audience in language analysis. If a transcript of a radio show were to be given can you still refer to the audience as a reader, or would you refer to them as a listener of the talk show?
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« Reply #634 on: October 25, 2014, 01:23:34 pm »
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Hi Lauren,
Should the paragraphs of a context essay have a circular argument?

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« Reply #635 on: October 25, 2014, 03:37:47 pm »
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Hi Lauren,

When text response questions refer to 'most' or 'more', do we have to compare traits in our body paragraphs?

I.E: "Elaine is a character who experiences more internal conflict than self-unawareness"

In our body paragraphs, do we always explicitly explore why Elaine was more internally conflicted rather than being unaware of her personal identity? Or can we just explore why she was internally conflicted and end then make a concise link to the question by saying, "thus she was more internally conflicted than self unaware"?

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« Reply #636 on: October 25, 2014, 07:27:06 pm »
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hey lauren,
is it true that the word count of lang analysis doesn't necessarily need to be as high as the other sections, so it's possible to spend less time on it? i've heard that because the criteria is just based on quality of analysis and writing, and not displaying knowledge of themes/texts, you're able to display that in a smaller amount of words and don't need to write as much to get the top marks.
cos if so that'd be a great boost for me in terms of time constraints (i hate writing under a time limit so much jesus christ) but i dunno if it's actually legit
thanks heaps!  ;D
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« Reply #637 on: October 25, 2014, 07:37:56 pm »
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hey lauren,
is it true that the word count of lang analysis doesn't necessarily need to be as high as the other sections, so it's possible to spend less time on it? i've heard that because the criteria is just based on quality of analysis and writing, and not displaying knowledge of themes/texts, you're able to display that in a smaller amount of words and don't need to write as much to get the top marks.
cos if so that'd be a great boost for me in terms of time constraints (i hate writing under a time limit so much jesus christ) but i dunno if it's actually legit
thanks heaps!  ;D
You can score well and write less compared to the other sections. This is evident when you look at high scoring responses with ~700 words. It's all about how well you analyse, and they recognise you can't analyse everything. So just do your best champ :)

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« Reply #638 on: October 25, 2014, 07:53:14 pm »
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Would 1/2 sentences of poor analysis of language detract you from the 9-10's? Because half way through my analysis, I tend to momentarily lose focus and when I read over my last sentence it reads like a recitation of what the author said rather than why they said it. That being said, the rest of my analysis (~analysis of 10-12 words from the article) is quite articulate and thorough.
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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #639 on: October 25, 2014, 09:22:24 pm »
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Would you still be able to score ok (ie. 5-7/10) if you have really good ideas, explore the prompt well but write badly. Writing in a way that it's not in a sophisticated manner? i usually panic under exam conditions especially because of an unseen prompt but my teachers have given me feedback that my expression is clear though.

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« Reply #640 on: October 25, 2014, 09:30:53 pm »
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Zeitgeist:
Language Analysis is more about acquiring a skillset to handle unseen content. This is kind of the case for Sections A and B, though I can understand why L.A. might be freaking you out. But it's not like they just hit a randomizer button on the internet and print whatever article comes up (well, except 2011)
They don't expect you to conduct an in-depth assessment of the author's motivations and values, but it's fairly simple to draw logical conclusions from the information presented.
Author: 'the government are smelly and inept.'
You in your L.A: 'The author seeks to denigrate the government with ad hominem attacks, thereby engendering the readers' disdain for their 'smelly' ineptitude.'
^This isn't proper analysis, but you get the idea.
It sounds like you're picking up on your common mistakes, so start implementing strategies to fix them now. There's still time to improve.
Yes, you can write as a deceased author, provided you have good reason for doing so. Is what you're writing unique to Christopher Hitchens' voice, or could it be from the perspective from any contemporary political commentator or outspoken atheist?

walkec:
I'm with your teacher on this one; signposting is a little tedious to read. You'd never loose marks for it, but it's a tad simplistic, so only use it as a last resort. Introductions have the fun job of picking apart the prompt, expanding on your contention so that it's more than a simple on-line rewording of the prompt or agree/disagree thing. (You can have a simplified version in your head, but on paper you can keep adding to this.)
Conclusions can zoom out to the bigger picture. Even for close character or structural prompts, there should be an opportunity to look at some views and values within those last few lines. In some sense you can build out from the prompt, though that should still be the basis of your discussion.
As a general tip: I often found myself coming up with a nice sounding line to end the 3rd or 4th paragraph, and I'd usually end up crossing it out and using it as my concluding line instead. You can have a couple of these generalisable 'purpose of the text' or 'author's overall intention' statements that should work for most prompts.
In short, no you can't be penalised for a lack of clearly demarcated arguments. The body paragraphs are where most of the marks are, and a good set-up/closer will probably just put most of them in a more amenable mood, which is exactly what you want :)

Brunette15:
Yes, you would use 'listeners' for a radio show. You can also use this for a presentation (eg. 2010 or 2012 VCAA exams.)
Generally speaking, the words 'audience' and 'text' work for everything - books, plays, films, poetry etc.

scandin9:
I would say it's better to give your paragraphs more of a linear focus, ie. the topic sentence introduces the idea, eg. 'the way we respond to a conflict is dependent on many factors' and then the concluding line actually hones in on the specific elements, eg. 'hence we can conclude that it is ultimately our freewill that determines our response in spite of the actions of others.' <-- you'd be more specific and prompt-oriented in both instances, of course.
It can feel redundant if you start and end in the same place, though depending on the form of your arguments and writing style, this can be done well.

Valyria:
Yes, I would highly advise comparing traits if the prompt mentions more than one. The simplistic, middle band responses will go for the obvious patter, eg.
"Elaine is a character who experiences more internal conflict than self-unawareness"
P1: Elaine's experiences
P2: Elaine's internal conflict
P3: Elaine's self-awareness
Even the most proficient of these approaches often struggles to deal with the prompt in its entirety, whereas paragraphs with conceptual focuses rather than theme-based ones are usually more 'meat-y.'
In this case, I wouldn't have more than one paragraph dealing solely with internal conflict. If you were tying things back at the end then this might be okay, but never stray too far from the prompt, there should be enough in the topic for you without having to rely on external arguments.

Paulrus:
Yes, the assessors have advised students to be selective in their analyses and that you can potentially score well with about 800 words. The ones published in the Reports aren't always 10s, so don't use them as standards for everything, but in terms of timing, you definitely shouldn't need a whole hour for L.A. unless they throw you a curveball.

Valyria:
Certainly not if it was just those few sentences, everyone makes dumb mistakes in the exam, and the assessors are quite forgiving of a few sentences here and there not making sense. However, if it's an endemic problem then it's worth fixing. If you know your point gets lost when your mind wanders, then treat that as your 'trigger' in the exam. Stop, take a breath and a drink, carefully read your last sentence and rewrite it if you have to. Practice this now, and it will become more natural in the exam. It might also be helpful to mark where this is happening, eg. in the middle of connotation analysis, or usually at the ends of paragraphs when linking back to the contention? etc. This may also be something to watch out for as part of your exam strategy.

mnewin:
Across the board, yes, so long as clarity isn't impacted.
For L.A: definitely, the quality of your analysis is the main thing, and vocab is really justs an auxiliary aid that helps if you use it well.
For T.R: possibly, although the way you write does play some part in the marks, if you've made a proper attempt to answer the question, you'll score better than someone churning out "sophisticated," but irrelevant garbage.
For Context: this is trickier. Writing style dictates the mark here a lot more than the other sections. However, sophistication in writing is not a necessity, you can chose a form that suits your style, and your essay doesn't have to be an academic discourse on complex philosophical ideas. The Assessor's Reports publish all sorts of examples that are expressing things effectively without being bogged down in trying to sound complex.
Of course, don't mistake sophistication and good writing for expansive vocab and fancy phrasing; plenty of people I know well scored incredibly highly, and don't consider themselves 'English-minded.' They simply had a good understanding of the task and were able to complete it with efficient and concise language.
If clarity isn't an issue, then you should be fine :)

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« Reply #641 on: October 25, 2014, 10:51:19 pm »
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What does a radio transcript or interview fall under as? Persuasive, Creative or hybrid?

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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #642 on: October 26, 2014, 01:11:15 am »
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If there is a quote in the text response prompt, are we expected to use that as evidence somewhere within the piece? If Not, what is it used for?
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« Reply #643 on: October 26, 2014, 01:18:02 am »
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Yes, you are expected to address the prompt in its entirety.
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Often it makes up a third, or even half of the prompt. You don't have to keep refering back to it in the same way as you would a regular question/statement based prompt, but the assessors have chosen that excerpt for a reason; try to use it to inform your discussion.
In terms of direct analysis, mentioning it in the first paragraph or two would be ideal, so that it doesn't feel tacked on at the end.

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« Reply #644 on: October 26, 2014, 02:07:03 am »
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Hi Lauren (response to your question),

I will write as Christopher Hitchens because I basically worship him, and he is highly relevant to Leunig's short stories of: Thou Shalt be Attractive and Away in a Chook Shed. E.g. rebelling against God as the dictator, no court of appeal in heaven/hell judgement etc, just heaps of stuff Leunig also touches on. And because I know so much about him, I can kind of really focus on the implicit Leunig ideas without worrying as to whether I am capturing his voice. I also think that there 'swimming against the tide nature' is similar if not identical.

One of my English teachers from my school said that I should write it before his death in terms of publication to retain that aspect of realism. What do you recommend? I am writing in Vanity Fair Magazine

For all I know, I could be so nervous so as to not do the exam, as anything can happen on a given exam day... But I've put heaps of quote, all over my wall which is so unrecognisable now coming to think of it... Hopefully the sub-conscious absorbs it and pops up into the front of my cerebral cortex when I am soo nervous as to not even think or particularly write, and just engage. HOPEFULLY

I feel like I am prepared but never know...

Also, I tend to write a lot when I can't think of anything... A lot of the high scoring responses are quite short, too short for my own liking but I don't know... Just depends whether the examiner reading mine can be bothered actually reading it etc.... so many variables to contend with


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