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Help with Year 11 VCE unit 1/2 English selections
« on: July 23, 2018, 06:05:12 pm »
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Hey so I am entering Year 11 next year (2019) and I have subject selection forms due in a couple weeks. The one things thats troubling me the most is deciding whether or not I want to do normal English, Literature and Language. I have pretty much been getting straight A's in all my past essays since the start of year 9, and find normal English really quite easy as of right now. This year, Literature was an available elective for one semester to get some insight on what VCE Literature would be like, so we pretty much followed the same exact course as done in year 11/12. I found I was able to get a B+ on my final exam with rather minimal effort and failing to fully read Frankenstein or Dr. Jekyll and Hyde (novels we were studying throughout the whole semester).

English is probably my favourite subject right now and for the past two years, and I personally found Literature rather boring in the semester I had taken it. However, the one and only English teacher who taught me in Year 9 that has made me love English is ONLY teaching Literature for Year 11/12, meaning if I choose something else I would probably end up with some other teacher who would somehow probably make me hate him or her and the subject I take up.

I personally am a highly analytic person, which I hear is quite useful across all Englishes. Several friends have suggested English Language rather than the two accompanying English selections becuse of my ability to analyse and because of my eagerness to look into the science of the english language. However, I also do love English for its little amount of reading yet also somewhat 'thorough' analysis of texts, but my favourite English teacher isn't taking it soooo..... oh and I personally find reading a bit of a chore which I hear is something I definitely don't want carrying into Literature.

Please help me :)

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Re: Help with Year 11 VCE unit 1/2 English selections
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2018, 08:15:36 pm »
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Hi slingson :)

Congratulations on your results so far! You seem very competent.
You seem to have already made up your mind when it comes to Literature - if you don't like reading, it's not exactly the most logical choice. And let's face it - it’s disappointing your favourite teacher won’t be teaching other Englishes, however in your case, even having a great teacher won’t help you like reading more – that’s something you need to learn, or get used to, in your self.

I’m going to give some moral advice here and say that the best thing for you to do is decide to have a positive outlook towards other teachers, even as you miss your old one if you don’t do Lit. Don’t go into next year determined to nit-pick everything a teacher does simply because they aren’t the one – and make sure that you are taking control of your own study. I had the same problem when I was transitioning from year 10 to 11 – you can’t bring the things you love with you. Every year is a fresh start, a fresh plan. So you just have to work with what you get.

English is quite a straightforward subject – it’s the mainstream, and you do write quite a bit. You read quite a bit too, however this is not as intensive as Literature. You would probably do very well in English, however if you love analyzing things, I would say you might prefer English Language.

From what you’ve said about your friend’s encouragement and your love of the technique and “science” behind Language, I would encourage you to shift in that direction. I can’t speak for it out of personal experience, but from what I have checked out in my spare time it looks like something you would like.
Have you read through VCAA’s Study Designs for all of them? That’s definitely something you should look into if you haven’t. Remember, this is ultimately your choice. You can be pushed in one direction or another, but you know what you want. And this isn’t the be-all and end-all; in year 11, switching classes takes a few forms but it’s not hard.

Here are the Study Designs:
Literature
English Language
English

I would recommend reading through not only 1/2, but also the 3/4. Carrying the subject on into year 12 is a vital decision. But don’t stress too much – I’ve got a feeling you’ll smash whatever you choose.

Good luck with your choice! :)
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Re: Help with Year 11 VCE unit 1/2 English selections
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2018, 08:23:51 pm »
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I guess there is some correlation between English and your other subjects. If you tend to fit into the Maths/Sci area, then (as I understand it) EngLang is probably a better option because it is closer in style to these kinds of subjects, whereas Lit and English proper tend to link in better with humanities subjects, because of the style of question and responses necessary in the different subjects. As I understand, EngLang is more generally analytical, while the other two subjects are far more thematically based. Of course in the long run, the choice is up to you (I'm sorry, but true fact :P ), so I would advise you to check out the study designs that @poet has kindly provided links to above, and decide what you feel a rapport with. (If you are like me, you will have to choose the one that you feel the most rapport with, since I really dislike all Englishes)

Good luck, both with this and with the coming years :)
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Re: Help with Year 11 VCE unit 1/2 English selections
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2018, 08:27:56 pm »
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Hi slingson :)

Congratulations on your results so far! You seem very competent.
You seem to have already made up your mind when it comes to Literature - if you don't like reading, it's not exactly the most logical choice. And let's face it - it’s disappointing your favourite teacher won’t be teaching other Englishes, however in your case, even having a great teacher won’t help you like reading more – that’s something you need to learn, or get used to, in your self.

I’m going to give some moral advice here and say that the best thing for you to do is decide to have a positive outlook towards other teachers, even as you miss your old one if you don’t do Lit. Don’t go into next year determined to nit-pick everything a teacher does simply because they aren’t the one – and make sure that you are taking control of your own study. I had the same problem when I was transitioning from year 10 to 11 – you can’t bring the things you love with you. Every year is a fresh start, a fresh plan. So you just have to work with what you get.

English is quite a straightforward subject – it’s the mainstream, and you do write quite a bit. You read quite a bit too, however this is not as intensive as Literature. You would probably do very well in English, however if you love analyzing things, I would say you might prefer English Language.

From what you’ve said about your friend’s encouragement and your love of the technique and “science” behind Language, I would encourage you to shift in that direction. I can’t speak for it out of personal experience, but from what I have checked out in my spare time it looks like something you would like.
Have you read through VCAA’s Study Designs for all of them? That’s definitely something you should look into if you haven’t. Remember, this is ultimately your choice. You can be pushed in one direction or another, but you know what you want. And this isn’t the be-all and end-all; in year 11, switching classes takes a few forms but it’s not hard.

Here are the Study Designs:
Literature
English Language
English

I would recommend reading through not only 1/2, but also the 3/4. Carrying the subject on into year 12 is a vital decision. But don’t stress too much – I’ve got a feeling you’ll smash whatever you choose.

Good luck with your choice! :)

Hi s_a_p,
Thanks heaps for your reply, and you have a point, I can't always expect to nit-pick everything a teacher does just because they aren't the same one I had in Year 9! I'll definitely have a more in-depth look at the the Study Designs you listed.
Thanks as well for the confidence boost and advice! :) :) :)




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Re: Help with Year 11 VCE unit 1/2 English selections
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2018, 10:23:28 pm »
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Hey slingson! Just thought I might add my 2 cents on this topic :)

English is probably my favourite subject right now and for the past two years, and I personally found Literature rather boring in the semester I had taken it. However, the one and only English teacher who taught me in Year 9 that has made me love English is ONLY teaching Literature for Year 11/12, meaning if I choose something else I would probably end up with some other teacher who would somehow probably make me hate him or her and the subject I take up.
I completely relate to finding literature to be rather boring compared to mainstream English , it seems to be a pretty consistent reaction with everyone in my lit class. Here's the thing about literature which (I think) is the main reason why it seems boring - everything you're analysing doesn't appear to have anything to do with the present, unlike in English where you do argument analysis and orals etc. For lit there are only two types of assessments you really need to learn: close passage analysis and literary perspectives. You do not learn about how everything applies to our daily lives, which makes it seem incredibly mundane.

As a lit student though (I may be slightly biased ;)) what I found was that once you get into the rhythm of the subject (sounds weird maybe, I don't know how else to describe it) it gets really interesting, especially since you get to do deeper layers of analysis you're never really expected to do in mainstream English. There's also an aspect of freedom for lit - unlike English where you're expected to strictly follow a 'formula' of intro, 3 x body paragraphs, conclusion, you can write in whatever format you wish for literature.

About your teacher though, I don't think you should let whoever that's teaching dictate your feelings towards the subject. One thing I found out was that teachers - especially english/lit teachers are incredibly unreliable ;D Don't ever choose a subject for the teacher, as you are expected to learn independently throughout the year (especially for english/ subjects).

I personally find reading a bit of a chore which I hear is something I definitely don't want carrying into Literature.
Definitely true - you are expected to do a lot of independent reading for lit, and many teachers may not recommend you to study lit if you don't enjoy reading.
On another note though, literature isn't only about reading, it's about analysing and taking apart everything you read bit by bit. I personally never read my texts actively in 1/2, but what I found was that students who read their set texts twenty times and annotated every single sentence weren't really the ones who did well.

Reading is only a part of lit - what really matters is your thought process and how 'deep' you dig into everything. Personally, I wouldn't say you have to adore reading to qualify for lit. The most crucial thing is to have an analytical mindset and a solid understanding of the social and political backgrounds of whatever text you're studying.

Have you thought about doing both English and lit for year 11? A lot of my friends did that, and that way they could have a solid understanding of both subjects and choose whichever one they like better (or keep both). Also both subjects are related anyway, so if you put in the work for one you'll see improvements in both.

Good luck!
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Re: Help with Year 11 VCE unit 1/2 English selections
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2018, 09:36:09 am »
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Hey so I am entering Year 11 next year (2019) and I have subject selection forms due in a couple weeks. The one things thats troubling me the most is deciding whether or not I want to do normal English, Literature and Language. I have pretty much been getting straight A's in all my past essays since the start of year 9, and find normal English really quite easy as of right now. This year, Literature was an available elective for one semester to get some insight on what VCE Literature would be like, so we pretty much followed the same exact course as done in year 11/12. I found I was able to get a B+ on my final exam with rather minimal effort and failing to fully read Frankenstein or Dr. Jekyll and Hyde (novels we were studying throughout the whole semester).

English is probably my favourite subject right now and for the past two years, and I personally found Literature rather boring in the semester I had taken it. However, the one and only English teacher who taught me in Year 9 that has made me love English is ONLY teaching Literature for Year 11/12, meaning if I choose something else I would probably end up with some other teacher who would somehow probably make me hate him or her and the subject I take up.

I personally am a highly analytic person, which I hear is quite useful across all Englishes. Several friends have suggested English Language rather than the two accompanying English selections becuse of my ability to analyse and because of my eagerness to look into the science of the english language. However, I also do love English for its little amount of reading yet also somewhat 'thorough' analysis of texts, but my favourite English teacher isn't taking it soooo..... oh and I personally find reading a bit of a chore which I hear is something I definitely don't want carrying into Literature.

Please help me :)

Hey slingson,

Welcome to the forums. :) General thoughts:

* If you find reading a chore, I'm not sure how appropriate Lit would be for you.
* Teachers are a consideration, sure, but honestly I think the subject matter is more important. IMO it's easier to motivate yourself to study for something you love than something you don't, even if you prefer your teacher for the latter.

I was in a really similar position going into Year 11; I really wasn't sure if I wanted to do English, Lang or Lit. I ended up going with Lang (against my teachers' opinions/advice), and absolutely loved it. I didn't do English or Literature in the end, so can't really comment objectively, but you might be interested in my overview of what EngLang actually involves here.

Good luck with your decision - keep us in the loop with how you're going. :)

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Re: Help with Year 11 VCE unit 1/2 English selections
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2018, 10:02:00 pm »
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Have you thought about doing both English and lit for year 11? A lot of my friends did that, and that way they could have a solid understanding of both subjects and choose whichever one they like better (or keep both). Also both subjects are related anyway, so if you put in the work for one you'll see improvements in both.

Good luck!

Hi there! Thanks for your reply :)
I have thought about doing both, but then the question of whether or not I wish to do EngLang comes into play and so I have to decide whether or not I want to get a good look of the different style of English studies between English/Literature and Language, or pursue English and Literature and hope that I continue to enjoy one of them and hope I didn't make a mistake in not choosing EngLang.
Then the factor of having too many subjects in Year 11 too comes into play so at this moment, I'm trying to really carefully choose if I want overload myself with work in year 11 and then drop one or two subjects in year 12 that I didn't have much luck in or didn't enjoy, and then try for high grades in the subjects that I do end up choosing to do.
(The subjects I am currently deciding between are all three Englishes... Methods, Chemistry, Chinese SL, Aus/Global Politics, Legal studies, Philosophy, Psychology and contemplating doing 3/4 Revolutions. So as you can see, I'm definitely needing to choose quite carefully)

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Re: Help with Year 11 VCE unit 1/2 English selections
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2018, 10:03:28 pm »
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I guess there is some correlation between English and your other subjects. If you tend to fit into the Maths/Sci area, then (as I understand it) EngLang is probably a better option because it is closer in style to these kinds of subjects, whereas Lit and English proper tend to link in better with humanities subjects, because of the style of question and responses necessary in the different subjects. As I understand, EngLang is more generally analytical, while the other two subjects are far more thematically based. Of course in the long run, the choice is up to you (I'm sorry, but true fact :P ), so I would advise you to check out the study designs that @poet has kindly provided links to above, and decide what you feel a rapport with. (If you are like me, you will have to choose the one that you feel the most rapport with, since I really dislike all Englishes)

Good luck, both with this and with the coming years :)

Thanks for your advice and also taking time out of your day to reply!

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Re: Help with Year 11 VCE unit 1/2 English selections
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2018, 10:04:56 pm »
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Good luck with your decision - keep us in the loop with how you're going. :)

Thanks for replying with your advice :) definitely will keep you updated with progress and decisions about my choice!

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Re: Help with Year 11 VCE unit 1/2 English selections
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2018, 11:53:11 pm »
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Hey slingson,

I was in a similar situation to you around this time last year - I completed Literature in semester 1 and English Language in semester 2.
Additionally, almost all of my school's best English teachers were all taking VCE Lit rather than English. I wouldn't recommend choosing your subject based on the teacher, as you might end up being placed in a different class / your teacher may switch to a different English subject.

Literature: I studied Jekyll and Hyde and Oedipus Rex in Year 10, and quickly found that literature was a really demanding subject. I averaged A's in Lit with a decent amount of effort, but was still scoring high A+'s  in English without spending as much time. Overall, I enjoyed the subject but I didn't like how there was no 'analysing argument' involved, and I was also deterred by the competitive nature of the cohort.

English Language: While I did find a few parts of this course interesting, for the most part it was rather dry and boring. I really love the text analysis component of English/Lit and couldn't imagine myself studying an English subject without it.
Also, not sure what your aims are, but overall it's (generally) easier to score better in English compared to Lit/Eng Lang, so this may also be a factor

Ultimately, go with whichever one you're most interested in - I find that English provides a good balance between the heavy language analysis in Eng Lang and the close reading/passage analysis of texts in Lit, which you seem to be grappling with.


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