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I did bad in one sac, are my chances for a 50 ruined?!
« on: March 18, 2014, 09:34:25 pm »
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I have seen so many of these posts the past few weeks or so, and they pop up every year. Heaps of people at school come onto ATARnotes to search and ask the exact same thing, but if you look at other threads you will see the question has been answered before! But to re-iterate what most people tend to agree on:

If you do bad in your first sac for example, say you get 70%, that score in and of itself doesn't exclude you from getting a 50, because when it comes to sacs your ranking is the most important thing. If the rest of your class did worse than you, then you should be alright with getting good marks in the rest of your sacs and still getting a 50 or close to, but there is another point to consider - If you don't go to a particularly strong school, and you get a 70% or something on a sac and you're not clearly ahead of people, you really need to think to yourself whether you can get a 50 or not. Big result changes from 60 or 70% to 98% require big changes in things like study habit and stuff. I have seen countless people doing psych or further in year 11 and they say to themselves and everyone "Oh I want a 50, I will get at least a 45", then they just get 70's on sacs and the exam and end up in the 30's. When you haven't done VCE yet it can be hard to gauge what work and scores are needed for correlating study scores, but the people I know personally who have gotten super high scores (over 48), were all meticulous and hard working and from the first sac they knew what was going on and got A+'s.

A 70% in a SAC I think really shows that you didn't know the topic well and maybe didn't try hard enough. If you knew all the content and had prepared well enough by doing practice sacs etc. but the sac just went really badly (a rushed long answer question didn't go your way, missing decimal points, misreading something etc.) you would still get over 80% most of the time. The 70% really shows that you don't have that strong knowledge of the topic, and when exam time comes around, it could hurt you. I know it did for me and other people - our worst sac topic was the area we did poorly on on the exam. If you want a really high score you need to learn what you got wrong and really step up your game for your next sac.
The low score itself isn't the disqualifying factor, but it is the reasons you got that low score that would hinder your final mark. There are always exceptions though, and this is just another thing to consider that is so often overlooked.

TL;DR "I did bad in a sac or two, are my chances of a good score ruined?" No, but take a look at yourself and your study habits and look at why you didn't do well. "They just didn't like my definition" or "Oh I just forgot to do those last steps" aren't really excuses if it was so drastic you didn't get an A or higher, you can study for these things and that is what practice sacs are for.

Good luck with your studies and never give up ! Let a bad sac score motivate you to smash the rest of them !

P.S my word is not final, you might disagree, these are just things to consider that I have noticed from my peers/predecessors/fellow AN users

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Re: I did bad in one sac, are my chances for a 50 ruined?!
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2014, 09:37:46 pm »
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Well said.

People need to worry less about their future study score and instead redirect that focus onto their previous SAC and learning from it. What went well, what didn't go so well, how can I improve, did I organise my time well, did I study the right material, and so forth.

A lot of users on AN lack that reflection and instead jump straight onto Study Scores and then ATARCalc and then the anon boards. And as I've said numerous times, "don't play a numbers game, play a 'do the best I can game'", if you do your best the ranking you deserve will come to you. No need to worry about other people's performances if you're already getting stressed out about your own, it simply compounds the issue (for the worse).

It helps a lot to take a step back, review your situation and learn from your experiences so you're better off next time.

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Re: I did bad in one sac, are my chances for a 50 ruined?!
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2014, 09:45:25 pm »
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Re: I did bad in one sac, are my chances for a 50 ruined?!
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2014, 07:17:25 pm »
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It's kind of sad to see how schools are so focused on marks solely nowadays.
What happened to the fun of learning?!  :(

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Re: I did bad in one sac, are my chances for a 50 ruined?!
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2014, 07:26:09 pm »
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haha when i read the title, i thought it was another paranoid VCE student... but good work spectroscopy, i think you covered it well!
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Re: I did bad in one sac, are my chances for a 50 ruined?!
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2014, 08:11:12 pm »
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It's kind of sad to see how schools are so focused on marks solely nowadays.
What happened to the fun of learning?!  :(
What's 'the fun of learning'? Is it a new VCE subject that helps us get good marks?
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Re: I did bad in one sac, are my chances for a 50 ruined?!
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2014, 06:38:35 pm »
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What's 'the fun of learning'? Is it a new VCE subject that helps us get good marks?

Haha! I wish!  :P
Nah I just meant in general how we're curious about something so that's why we learn about it.

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Re: I did bad in one sac, are my chances for a 50 ruined?!
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2014, 07:28:49 pm »
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I heard vcaa round your scores up, say u got 95 - 100 they round it to 100% because they want scores out of 10??

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Re: I did bad in one sac, are my chances for a 50 ruined?!
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2014, 07:56:55 pm »
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I heard vcaa round your scores up, say u got 95 - 100 they round it to 100% because they want scores out of 10??
Not exactly.

There's a lot of statistical moderation that goes on behind the scenes - internal SAC scores (graded asssessment completed at school) can be scaled up or down depending on cohort performance and other factors.

I looked too much into the raw marks and SAC scores last year for my 3/4s and realised it was only detrimental to my studies - I worried too much. Best not to think too deeply into it and just try your best, the numbers will work themselves out.
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Re: I did bad in one sac, are my chances for a 50 ruined?!
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2014, 08:27:48 pm »
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You have a 50 and a 48. lol.

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Re: I did bad in one sac, are my chances for a 50 ruined?!
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2014, 08:36:03 am »
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I have seen so many of these posts the past few weeks or so, and they pop up every year. Heaps of people at school come onto ATARnotes to search and ask the exact same thing, but if you look at other threads you will see the question has been answered before! But to re-iterate what most people tend to agree on:

If you do bad in your first sac for example, say you get 70%, that score in and of itself doesn't exclude you from getting a 50, because when it comes to sacs your ranking is the most important thing. If the rest of your class did worse than you, then you should be alright with getting good marks in the rest of your sacs and still getting a 50 or close to, but there is another point to consider - If you don't go to a particularly strong school, and you get a 70% or something on a sac and you're not clearly ahead of people, you really need to think to yourself whether you can get a 50 or not. Big result changes from 60 or 70% to 98% require big changes in things like study habit and stuff. I have seen countless people doing psych or further in year 11 and they say to themselves and everyone "Oh I want a 50, I will get at least a 45", then they just get 70's on sacs and the exam and end up in the 30's. When you haven't done VCE yet it can be hard to gauge what work and scores are needed for correlating study scores, but the people I know personally who have gotten super high scores (over 48), were all meticulous and hard working and from the first sac they knew what was going on and got A+'s.

A 70% in a SAC I think really shows that you didn't know the topic well and maybe didn't try hard enough. If you knew all the content and had prepared well enough by doing practice sacs etc. but the sac just went really badly (a rushed long answer question didn't go your way, missing decimal points, misreading something etc.) you would still get over 80% most of the time. The 70% really shows that you don't have that strong knowledge of the topic, and when exam time comes around, it could hurt you. I know it did for me and other people - our worst sac topic was the area we did poorly on on the exam. If you want a really high score you need to learn what you got wrong and really step up your game for your next sac.
The low score itself isn't the disqualifying factor, but it is the reasons you got that low score that would hinder your final mark. There are always exceptions though, and this is just another thing to consider that is so often overlooked.

TL;DR "I did bad in a sac or two, are my chances of a good score ruined?" No, but take a look at yourself and your study habits and look at why you didn't do well. "They just didn't like my definition" or "Oh I just forgot to do those last steps" aren't really excuses if it was so drastic you didn't get an A or higher, you can study for these things and that is what practice sacs are for.

Good luck with your studies and never give up ! Let a bad sac score motivate you to smash the rest of them !

P.S my word is not final, you might disagree, these are just things to consider that I have noticed from my peers/predecessors/fellow AN users

Well said.

People need to worry less about their future study score and instead redirect that focus onto their previous SAC and learning from it. What went well, what didn't go so well, how can I improve, did I organise my time well, did I study the right material, and so forth.

A lot of users on AN lack that reflection and instead jump straight onto Study Scores and then ATARCalc and then the anon boards. And as I've said numerous times, "don't play a numbers game, play a 'do the best I can game'", if you do your best the ranking you deserve will come to you. No need to worry about other people's performances if you're already getting stressed out about your own, it simply compounds the issue (for the worse).

It helps a lot to take a step back, review your situation and learn from your experiences so you're better off next time.

Cheers.

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Re: I did bad in one sac, are my chances for a 50 ruined?!
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2014, 09:58:55 pm »
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Well said.

People need to worry less about their future study score and instead redirect that focus onto their previous SAC and learning from it. What went well, what didn't go so well, how can I improve, did I organise my time well, did I study the right material, and so forth.

A lot of users on AN lack that reflection and instead jump straight onto Study Scores and then ATARCalc and then the anon boards. And as I've said numerous times, "don't play a numbers game, play a 'do the best I can game'", if you do your best the ranking you deserve will come to you. No need to worry about other people's performances if you're already getting stressed out about your own, it simply compounds the issue (for the worse).

It helps a lot to take a step back, review your situation and learn from your experiences so you're better off next time.

Cheers.

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Re: I did bad in one sac, are my chances for a 50 ruined?!
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2014, 06:22:21 pm »
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Re: I did bad in one sac, are my chances for a 50 ruined?!
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2014, 06:57:00 pm »
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Does completely ignoring your SAC scores and scaling and whatever until you actually get your results help things or is it usually detrimental?

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Re: I did bad in one sac, are my chances for a 50 ruined?!
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2014, 07:00:28 pm »
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Does completely ignoring your SAC scores and scaling and whatever until you actually get your results help things or is it usually detrimental?
If you're doing you're best, honestly, then it can only possibly be detrimental by definition. If you aren't doing your best, then maybe your SAC results will tell you the truth that you can't tell yourself haha. But really, if you know you (reasonably) couldn't do any better of every SAC for every subject, then there's no systematic reason for checking your SAC score (but ofc there's personal glory reasons, pride, etc etc which will suck some people in).
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