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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #690 on: October 28, 2014, 06:04:03 pm »
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Macquaries are the best, you'll be fine. VCAA don't usually try and stump you anyway, and 44,000 words should cover everything :)
My ego is overinflated before my English exam - mine has 140,000 definition word thingos. hehehe. so jealous this bad boy takes like ten minutes to find a word

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« Reply #691 on: October 28, 2014, 06:39:11 pm »
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hey Lauren. :)


A quick question for LA, is it fine to analyse using colloquial/ conversational tones?

Such asL this causes the audience to see 'the world is in their hands'

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It forces them to 'calm down'


or it forces them to 'play a part'

Also in terms of idioms, is it fine to add them as well. Eg. Instead of saying the 'world is in their hands', what if I were to say this forces them to see that 'the world is their oyster?'.
 

Note: those aren't direct quotations from the piece, but my own analysis.
Do they find that too informal or conversational? I don't do it often, but sometimes I don't have a formal word to try to convey what I am saying..
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« Reply #692 on: October 28, 2014, 07:45:36 pm »
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Should we write the topic we have selected or just shade the box?

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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #693 on: October 28, 2014, 07:51:45 pm »
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Should we write the topic we have selected or just shade the box?

You shade the boxes, we have to do enough writing as it is  :P

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« Reply #694 on: October 28, 2014, 07:58:38 pm »
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You shade the boxes, we have to do enough writing as it is  :P

As far as I know, you have to say which question you are responding to at the top of each page, so for text response it might be: Question 18, i or ii since you are given 2 prompts.

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« Reply #695 on: October 28, 2014, 07:58:52 pm »
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Was 2011 language analysis supposed to be comparative ? I am so worried if it turns out to be ! Please someone advise before I kill myself :'(
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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #696 on: October 28, 2014, 08:07:44 pm »
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Hi Lauren,
With regard to language analysis conclusions should you mention the effectiveness of the overall piece? My teachers have always encouraged me to do so, but I've been told otherwise at lectures i've been to.
What do you believe is a sufficient conclusion?
Thanks, Zoe

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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #697 on: October 28, 2014, 08:12:56 pm »
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Was 2011 language analysis supposed to be comparative ? I am so worried if it turns out to be ! Please someone advise before I kill myself :'(
It's not supposed to be anything. Comparative isn't on the criteria sheet. The comments were there and probably should have been addressed. If they weren't addressed, at least some part of the task wasn't hit as adequately as it could have been. If they were addressed but weren't directly compared with the main body of language then... oh well.

(Also, if people could refrain from the above unless it's a legitimate cry for help, that would be good).
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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #698 on: October 28, 2014, 08:15:25 pm »
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Hey Lauren,

for the prompt Survivors of conflict are forever shaped by their experience, would it still be relevant to the topic if i say witnesses are also affected/shaped? (i know this is kind of last minute prep haha)
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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #699 on: October 28, 2014, 08:20:39 pm »
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It's not supposed to be anything. Comparative isn't on the criteria sheet. The comments were there and probably should have been addressed. If they weren't addressed, at least some part of the task wasn't hit as adequately as it could have been. If they were addressed but weren't directly compared with the main body of language then... oh well.

(Also, if people could refrain from the above unless it's a legitimate cry for help, that would be good).
Thankyou very much ! Because currently I am using them to show how its supportive of author's contention..basically like a technique. Is this okay to do ?

And apologies for the theatrics, won't happen again :)
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« Reply #700 on: October 28, 2014, 08:34:33 pm »
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Thankyou very much ! Because currently I am using them to show how its supportive of author's contention..basically like a technique. Is this okay to do ?

And apologies for the theatrics, won't happen again :)

Hmmm.. You can do it, but it's not necessarily the best... I mean - what if the comments disagree with the author's contention? It's best to talk about the comments like a piece on their own - and if they agree with the author's contention, then you could talk about how the language reinforces the author's contention, but if not, then you just talk about how the author of the comment uses language to persuade a target audience AGAINST an author's contention.

No worries :)
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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #701 on: October 28, 2014, 08:36:56 pm »
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imcharmander:
Yes, but so long as you're acknowledging the difference between survivors and witnesses. It could make for an interesting contrast, but if you just wrote an essay that conflated the two then you might risk losing a few marks for relevance. Should be fine if you can justify it though.

And yes, thank you Brenden :)
anna.xo: comments are not put there as techniques by the main author; they have their own individual authors and contentions. Just discuss the main text like you normally would, find a point of contrast or comparison, shift your focus for a few sentences, and go back to the main article.

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« Reply #702 on: October 28, 2014, 08:38:00 pm »
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Hmmm.. You can do it, but it's not necessarily the best... I mean - what if the comments disagree with the author's contention? It's best to talk about the comments like a piece on their own - and if they agree with the author's contention, then you could talk about how the language reinforces the author's contention, but if not, then you just talk about how the author of the comment uses language to persuade a target audience AGAINST an author's contention.

No worries :)
Then I only use the one that supports it. And if none of them do, then I ignore them.

So you're saying I should write a separate compare and contrast paragraph with the comments ? Correct me if I've misunderstood

I can do that, thanks heaps !!
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« Reply #703 on: October 28, 2014, 08:38:50 pm »
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And thankyou Lauren as well !
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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #704 on: October 28, 2014, 08:39:48 pm »
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Hmmm.. You can do it, but it's not necessarily the best... I mean - what if the comments disagree with the author's contention? It's best to talk about the comments like a piece on their own - and if they agree with the author's contention, then you could talk about how the language reinforces the author's contention, but if not, then you just talk about how the author of the comment uses language to persuade a target audience AGAINST an author's contention.

No worries :)
wait

so we can comment on the persuasive devices used by the author of the comments if they disagree with the author of the main text??? cool.

also,
if the text response question is a 'how' question, does ALL the evidence need to be about the structure of the text? or can it just be the majority?
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