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#### Happy Physics Land

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« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2016, 09:48:04 pm »
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Hey I have a test coming up and I am having trouble with ext locus and parabola. The question is
Find the equation of the chord of contact AB of tangents drawn from an external point (x1, y1) to the parabola x2 = 12y

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Hey foodmood16,

I did get an answer to your question, it was simply a matter of substituting into the equation of chord of contact. Just double check with your answer just in case I got it wrong (when questions are too easily solved I feel a bit intimidated). But yes great question doe because just about everyone tends to forget about this chord of contact equation.

(sorry for the dodgy diagram l drew)

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« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2016, 06:23:32 pm »
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Hey! I was just practicing some curve sketching and I was wondering for curves that look like these:

y= 3x/(x^2+9)

How would you know the shape it forms? Cause really all I knew was that it intercepts at the origin, is odd and has a horizontal asymptote at 0.. Thanks, sorry if this sounds dumb it's just that it seems a bit dodgy how I'm assuming it looks like a sorta sideways s (sorry I can't really describe and I don't know how to draw/paste it in here).. Thank you!

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« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2016, 07:02:53 pm »
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Hey! I was just practicing some curve sketching and I was wondering for curves that look like these:

y= 3x/(x^2+9)

How would you know the shape it forms? Cause really all I knew was that it intercepts at the origin, is odd and has a horizontal asymptote at 0.. Thanks, sorry if this sounds dumb it's just that it seems a bit dodgy how I'm assuming it looks like a sorta sideways s (sorry I can't really describe and I don't know how to draw/paste it in here).. Thank you!

Neutron

Hey Neutron,

This is a really good question that can be typically encountered in both 3 unit and 4 unit exams. My solution here is more for the 3unit students that have not done as much graphing as the 4 unit students. If you are a 4 unit students, another alternative of approaching this question that I do recommend is through sketching x^2 + 9 first (which is just a parabola), then sketch 1/(x^2+9) (with x=0 as the asymptote and using special values such as when y = 0, 1 or -1 to help you, these are tricks that you would have learnt in sketching reciprocal functions), and in the end use multiplication of ordinates (again using special points where y = 0, 1 and -1) to sketch the graph.

My approach here is similar to yours. Except I have found the limits as x approaches infinity and I have constructed a table of values to help myself to see what the shape will resemble. In this table of values I only used positive values of x because since this is an odd function, you can simply turn the graph on positive side of x-axis by 180 degrees anticlockwise to find the graph on the negative side of the x-axis. I have also circled when x=3, y =1/2 as the maximum turning point in the positive graph through observing the table of values. Im assuming here that the question does not want you to use calculus, so we can only infer that there is a max tp. at (3,1/2). If you can use calculus, then the maximum and minimum turning points can be easily found and the curve would have been very easy to draw.

If you have any concerns or confusions please dont hesitate to ask!

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« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2016, 07:16:18 pm »
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Thank you so much HPL! Yeah yeah it makes sense now.. One more thing though, how do you know whether a point is a point of discontinuity (open circle) or an asymptote?

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« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2016, 08:18:04 pm »
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Thank you so much HPL! Yeah yeah it makes sense now.. One more thing though, how do you know whether a point is a point of discontinuity (open circle) or an asymptote?

Another very good question indeed, and this definitely is something that will be hard to distinguish between.

When you are provided with an equation, you should become suspicious of a point of discontinuity under two situations:
1. when a y-value of your curve approaches zero as x approaches the asymptote but the curve looks like as if it's going to intersect the asymptote
2. when you have f(x)g(x) but the domains are not the same (a typical example is xlnx, where domain of y = x is defined for all real x, but the domain for y = lnx is only defined for x>0)

A point of discontinuity is essentially when the function is undefined for both x and y-values of this particular point. For example, lets raise the y = xlnx again. x= 0 would be undefined for lnx because x>0, y = 0 is undefined because it is impossible to get a result of 0 from a log function. Hence the point (0,0) would be a point of discontinuity. When you become suspicious that there is a point of discontinuity, substitute in x and y-values of that point to confirm whether or not the point is discontinuous.

Finding a discontinuous point is not easy and it will take practise to develop an instinct to become suspicious of the existence of such points. In general, whenever you see lnx involved, you should keep an eye out on possible points of discontinuity.
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##### Re: 98 in 3U Maths: Ask me Anything!
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2016, 08:20:21 pm »
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Hey foodmood16,

I did get an answer to your question, it was simply a matter of substituting into the equation of chord of contact. Just double check with your answer just in case I got it wrong (when questions are too easily solved I feel a bit intimidated). But yes great question doe because just about everyone tends to forget about this chord of contact equation.

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(sorry for the dodgy diagram l drew)

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Thankyou Happy Physics Land! That helps a heap as I didn't quite understand it when it was explained in class

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« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2016, 09:17:54 pm »
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Thankyou Happy Physics Land! That helps a heap as I didn't quite understand it when it was explained in class

For those who didn't know: HPL is a legend and should be revered.

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« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2016, 09:24:58 pm »
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For those who didn't know: HPL is a legend and should be revered.

Thanks man!

Jake

Hahaha thank you jake, I'm just striving to be like you one day! You are my inspiration!!!!
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##### Re: 98 in 3U Maths: Ask me Anything!
« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2016, 06:48:43 pm »
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in what kind of sequence will you use to sketch y=4sin[3(x-(/6))] 0<=x<=2

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« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2016, 06:52:41 pm »
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in what kind of sequence will you use to sketch y=4sin[3(x-(/6))] 0<=x<=2

Is the question y = 4sin[3(x-1/6)] or something else??
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##### Re: 98 in 3U Maths: Ask me Anything!
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2016, 06:59:33 pm »
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in what kind of sequence will you use to sketch y=4sin[3(x-(/6))] 0<=x<=2

First, read the comment above as that is important.

However, assuming what he said was true:

Firstly, sketch y=sin(x) as a reference.
Then, apply the period change. y=sin(3x) changes the period of T=2π to T=2π/3. Hence, the graph repeats itself every 2π/3 units instead.
Next, apply the phase shift. The -1/6 (which, I have a feeling should've been -π/6 but regardless) will shift the graph to the RIGHT by 1/6 unit
Finally, add in the amplitude. This makes the maximum value y=4 instead of y=1 and similarly minimum value of y=-4.
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« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2016, 07:04:19 pm »
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Is the question y = 4sin[3(x-1/6)] or something else??

Hey all! These all look like great answers, so I thought I'd just chip in with what the graph would actually look like.

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« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2016, 08:48:13 pm »
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sorry the pie symbol didnt appear

y=4sin[3(x-pie/6)]-2

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« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2016, 09:08:28 pm »
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sorry the pie symbol didnt appear

y=4sin[3(x-pie/6)]-2

Then my solution still holds, except replace 1/6 with π/6 instead.
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« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2016, 09:46:03 pm »
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sorry the pie symbol didnt appear

y=4sin[3(x-pie/6)]-2

Hey Katherine

If you are stuck you can refer to my solution if you'd wish to

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