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SCI2010 or SCI 2015 completion
« on: December 17, 2014, 05:11:12 pm »
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I know that you have to complete  SCI 2010  or SCI 2015 but i was wondering do you have to complete it during second year or are u able to complete it in third year for Bsc.
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Re: SCI2010 or SCI 2015 completion
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2014, 06:28:16 pm »
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I know that you have to complete  SCI 2010  or SCI 2015 but i was wondering do you have to complete it during second year or are u able to complete it in third year for Bsc.

You can take it in third year if you like.
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Re: SCI2010 or SCI 2015 completion
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2014, 06:52:50 pm »
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Thank You. :)
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Re: SCI2010 or SCI 2015 completion
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2014, 04:20:31 am »
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Most of the things in the handbook are mere "suggestion" in a way. You do have to complete them before you graduate (otherwise you can't!) but otherwise, you do have a bit more freedom than what the handbook may suggest.

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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2014, 08:36:42 pm »
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Just a question on this as I was also considering taking the unit in third year aswell, to leave more options for magors in 3rd year.
After reading the handbook, is it correct that you only need to complete a minimum of 4 level 3 units? Allowing for say more than 8 2nd year units?
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Re: SCI2010 or SCI 2015 completion
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2014, 11:53:56 pm »
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Just a question on this as I was also considering taking the unit in third year aswell, to leave more options for magors in 3rd year.
After reading the handbook, is it correct that you only need to complete a minimum of 4 level 3 units? Allowing for say more than 8 2nd year units?

Yep! As per the handbook, you need at least 4 level-three units. Often this will be just enough to complete a major sequence, so technically any other unit can be from either levels one or two (though I'm pretty sure you are only allowed to do a certain number of level one units).
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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2014, 12:00:25 am »
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I feel it's note-worthy to add that a lot of students stock up on first year subjects/minimise third year subjects so that they can boost their GPA/WAM, so it's definitely something that gets done. (inb4 debate about "doing worthwhile units" vs. "doing GPA boosting units")

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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2014, 12:09:23 am »
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I feel it's note-worthy to add that a lot of students stock up on first year subjects/minimise third year subjects so that they can boost their GPA/WAM, so it's definitely something that gets done. (inb4 debate about "doing worthwhile units" vs. "doing GPA boosting units")
Your point definitely came to mind. I was surprised when I found out you only need to complete 4 units from level 3 to graduate. No wonder a lone Bachelor degree isn't always sufficient in securing a job lol...
Nonetheless, this suits me. Still being undecided in what I want to pursue in the BSc and post-grad too, allows me to widen the scope of my second year units :) Surely others would be in the same situation!
On the topic of WAM/GPA, I was wondering how the weighting of units would apply to this, makes it confusing if your doing first year units in final year...
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Re: SCI2010 or SCI 2015 completion
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2014, 12:11:59 am »
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Your point definitely came to mind. I was surprised when I found out you only need to complete 4 units from level 3 to graduate. No wonder a lone Bachelor degree isn't always sufficient in securing a job lol...
Nonetheless, this suits me. Still being undecided in what I want to pursue in the BSc and post-grad too, allows me to widen the scope of my second year units :) Surely others would be in the same situation!
On the topic of WAM/GPA, I was wondering how the weighting of units would apply to this, makes it confusing if your doing first year units in final year...

Can confirm that subjects are weighted based on their level, not when you take them. I took three second year units last semester (being a first year), and when I took a normal average of this year's units, my WAM turned out lower than Monash are reporting it, with my second year units being higher marks. So assumedly, even if you took first year units in your final year, they'd still only count half as much.

Of course, when you take units/their level doesn't affect GPA, so that's not an issue, really. :P

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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2014, 12:19:54 am »
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EulerFan. Thanks, that makes sense! That's impressive you've already competed second year units aswell, did you notice much of a increase in difficulty between the first and second year units?
On another random note, just received an email today from the Science faculty offering myself an internal transfer to your course mentioned in your signature (BSc Advanced - Research (Honours), looks like a pretty good course actually, going to consider it.
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Re: SCI2010 or SCI 2015 completion
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2014, 12:34:53 am »
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EulerFan. Thanks, that makes sense! That's impressive you've already competed second year units aswell, did you notice much of a increase in difficulty between the first and second year units?
On another random note, just received an email today from the Science faculty offering myself an internal transfer to your course mentioned in your signature (BSc Advanced - Research (Honours), looks like a pretty good course actually, going to consider it.

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I should warn you, though, that you should be aware of our more strict conditions on completing the degree. Namely how you need to complete two majors, or an extended major/minor. This will mean you'll HAVE to do SCI2015 in second year, unless you're very careful in how you've planned things. For example, I could do SCI2015 in third year - however, I've also completed a minor in statistics already, and so I won't need all my third year for third year subjects. (in fact, if I did do SCI2015 in third year, I'd be able to get my major in stats next year). That's not to say the degree doesn't have its own advantages, though (aside from looking fancier on the resume, of course. :P)

If you want to know more about the course/associated student society, feel free to send me a message so we don't derail the thread too much. ;)

For your first question:
Let me clarify that even though I did three second year units, one of those is noted by many to be easier than its first year counterpart (MTH2010 vs. MTH1030), and is a unit that a lot of first years take in second semester. (assuming they did specialist maths in year 12). The other two, however, were not standard, and I was one of the only few first years doing them (one of them also had another first year from these boards in it).

For the two non-standard units, there was a TREMENDOUS increase in difficulty. I failed the mid-semester test for both (however was above average for both, with one being purposefully hard and the other having shoddy marking that the unit coordinator apologised for, because he was unaware of it), and did have to put much more effort into them to do well. However, I really enjoyed those units, so when I think back on the year, it doesn't feel like I did a lot of study for them, as it wasn't a chore. (minus the long nights the day before the assignments were due LOL) In contrast, I feel I spent more time on my first year subject, because I was really struggling with it. In fact, due to the amount of enjoyment I got from those units, they've actually become my best and third best mark all year, and my two best for the semester. (funnily enough, the standard unit was my lowest this semester LOL. Goes to show you should still study for things, no matter how easy they seem~)

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Re: SCI2010 or SCI 2015 completion
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2014, 12:53:41 am »
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EulerFan. I had a read of the handbook earlier, there are definitely a lot of positives and negatives associated with the course! You guys are pretty lucky to have a common room aswell :)

Also thanks a lot for your informative response and sharing some insight on your first year experience! Although I must admit that I am rather afraid of second year now after seeing 'TREMENDOUS increase in difficulty', hopefully the WAM can still remain intact haha!
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Re: SCI2010 or SCI 2015 completion
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2014, 12:59:41 am »
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Just a question on this as I was also considering taking the unit in third year aswell, to leave more options for magors in 3rd year.
After reading the handbook, is it correct that you only need to complete a minimum of 4 level 3 units? Allowing for say more than 8 2nd year units?


In theory you could do this yes, it is potentially a bit of a waste however but if 4 is all you want, that really is fine as well. If you really like one area only, no use forcing yourself to do others. I think its either 8 or 10 max level 1 units.

Stacking up on level 1 subjects isnt the the best idea because they are only half weighted. It might be better to stack up on easy level 2 subjects imo.

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Re: SCI2010 or SCI 2015 completion
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2014, 01:00:42 am »
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Although I must admit that I am rather afraid of second year now after seeing 'TREMENDOUS increase in difficulty', hopefully the WAM can still remain intact haha!

I should probably stress these units are probably isolated cases. :P The unit coordinator for both is known for making things hard, not to mention that they were stats units, so a lot of the stuff in there was new for me and most others in the units. I knew third years in one of the units who took it as a bludge (/saved it for third year for an easier time) who still had to show up to see the unit coordinator for help with the material. Also, my friend in the other unit said it was possibly his hardest unit, beside the fact he was also doing a research project and third year maths unit at the same time. I don't think you have anything to worry about, unless you plan on taking up second year stats and struggled with 1030/2010. :P