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Re: Rape victim dies
« Reply #75 on: January 05, 2013, 08:26:13 pm »
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Your logic is idiotic, saying that the punishment should be divided because of the number of perpetrators. They all murdered and raped her. You can't 1/6th rape and murder someone. She's not 5/6ths alive. She's dead. And if we did use your system, wouldn't you have to consider the level of responsibility? How would you prove that they all equally did the same damage?
That would be the biggest loophole in any law system.
A large enough gang could keep murdering people and allege that all it's members contributed in the murder and thus get off within a matter of days.

No, idiotic is saying to them "whether you murder one person as a group, or whether you each go out on your own and murder one person each, the penalty is going to be exactly the same". That just encourages more crime.

And as a matter of fact, it isn't being divided like that, because everyone who was involved in the crime gets a criminal record.

If India has the death penalty, then that's their problem that they need to sort out themselves. But for countries without the death penalty, I don't see the problem in splitting the punishment for when multiple people are involved.
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« Reply #76 on: January 05, 2013, 08:27:56 pm »
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No, idiotic is saying to them "whether you murder one person as a group, or whether you each go out on your own and murder one person each, the penalty is going to be exactly the same". That just encourages more crime.

tha doesnt really encourage more crime. if you allow for your dilution theory, more people would gang rape, in exponentially larger groups, so that each would be barely punished. Your logic is stupid

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« Reply #77 on: January 05, 2013, 08:31:27 pm »
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tha doesnt really encourage more crime. if you allow for your dilution theory, more people would gang rape, in exponentially larger groups, so that each would be barely punished. Your logic is stupid

The punishment is still significant enough that even with a large group, they could spend at least a few months in jail. And this system is completely fair, I don't see what the problem is. For example, if 100 people stole $100,000 from a bank, then they would be expected to each pay $1000 back to the bank. That's just the way it works and it's the only fair way to do it imo.

Besides, if 1000 people all "raped" one person, I bet most of the people would all just be standing around doing nothing. There's only so many people that can rape someone at a time. And if the rape lasts for hours, then extra jail time should be added to take that into account, so that even with the "dilution" as you call it, they will still end up with a significant jail sentence each.
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« Reply #78 on: January 05, 2013, 08:33:15 pm »
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The punishment is still significant enough that even with a large group, they could spend at least a few months in jail. And this system is completely fair, I don't see what the problem is. For example, if 100 people stole $100,000 from a bank, then they would be expected to each pay $1000 back to the bank. That's just the way it works and it's the only fair way to do it imo.

well, if a rape charge results in 30 years in prison, but if 60 people gang raped a girl, each should get only 6 months in prison, according to your theory. that does not act as a deterent for crime. it encourages it

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« Reply #79 on: January 05, 2013, 08:35:37 pm »
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But there are degrees of rape, and I believe that the effects of 60 people raping 1 person would be more significant than a 1v1 rape, and thus the punishment should increase to about a 120 year jail sentence, which is divided to make 2 years each.
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« Reply #80 on: January 05, 2013, 08:38:45 pm »
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But there are degrees of rape, and I believe that the effects of 60 people raping 1 person would be more significant than a 1v1 rape, and thus the punishment should increase to about a 120 year jail sentence, which is divided to make 2 years each.

S@S if 5 people raped 5 people, it's 5 rapes, with each person having committed one rape. Each person would be charged with the sentence equivalent to 1 rape.

If 5 people raped the same person, it's still 5 rapes, with each person having committed one rape. Each person would be charged with the sentence equivalent to 1 rape.

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« Reply #81 on: January 05, 2013, 08:39:26 pm »
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Besides, if 1000 people all "raped" one person, I bet most of the people would all just be standing around doing nothing. There's only so many people that can rape someone at a time. And if the rape lasts for hours, then extra jail time should be added to take that into account, so that even with the "dilution" as you call it, they will still end up with a significant jail sentence each.

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But there are degrees of rape, and I believe that the effects of 60 people raping 1 person would be more significant than a 1v1 rape, and thus the punishment should increase to about a 120 year jail sentence, which is divided to make 2 years each.

I'm glad you've considered the mechanics of rape in your completely arbitrary punishment scale -.-
I'd hate for the guy just "standing around" to be punished unfairly

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« Reply #82 on: January 05, 2013, 08:39:47 pm »
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But there are degrees of rape, and I believe that the effects of 60 people raping 1 person would be more significant than a 1v1 rape, and thus the punishment should increase to about a 120 year jail sentence, which is divided to make 2 years each.

And you honestly think that is justice?

Rapists given 2 years behind bars *just* because they weren't the only one?

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« Reply #83 on: January 05, 2013, 08:40:23 pm »
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I see what you're saying, but if each of the 5 rapes occurred on the same occasion, that would be less traumatising for the victim than if she got raped once a night for 5 nights.
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« Reply #84 on: January 05, 2013, 08:42:14 pm »
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I see what you're saying, but if each of the 5 rapes occurred on the same occasion, that would be less traumatising for the victim than if she got raped once a night for 5 nights.

Firstly...I'm sure you've never been raped on either of those ways, so you can't personally differentiate. Secondly, a rape is a rape is a rape is a rape. The crime is in the intent as well as the effect.

I'd be reasonably confident that being gang-raped by 5 people is every bit as traumatising than being raped on 5 separate occasions.
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« Reply #85 on: January 05, 2013, 08:42:39 pm »
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I see what you're saying, but if each of the 5 rapes occurred on the same occasion, that would be less traumatising for the victim than if she got raped once a night for 5 nights.

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« Reply #86 on: January 05, 2013, 08:45:00 pm »
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I see what you're saying, but if each of the 5 rapes occurred on the same occasion, that would be less traumatising for the victim than if she got raped once a night for 5 nights.

I'm not sure how you can say that with confidence... I'd imagine (not that I could even get close to imagining the trauma associated with something like rape) that either way it would be extremely traumatic, shocking, sickening and distressing.

I'm not sure why you want to quantify that? Especially in a manner that lets off rapists in some warped mathematical justice?

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« Reply #87 on: January 05, 2013, 08:51:35 pm »
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I'm just going to repeat what I said earlier for further emphasis:

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Look, what I honestly believe is that in this particular scenario, each person should be given somewhere around 25 years in jail. I was using this method of punishment as an example of an alternative way of punishing people. It might seem "soft" in your eyes, and maybe it is, but it's a lot better than giving someone the death penalty, which is the main thing I am trying to argue against.
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« Reply #88 on: January 05, 2013, 08:52:41 pm »
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I see what you're saying, but if each of the 5 rapes occurred on the same occasion, that would be less traumatising for the victim than if she got raped once a night for 5 nights.

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« Reply #89 on: January 05, 2013, 08:57:50 pm »
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The judge probably hasn't been raped either, but they are still trusted to choose an appropriate punishment for the crime.

Based on precedent S@S
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