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Should I do a 7th 3/4?
« on: December 14, 2016, 05:04:06 am »
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So I did two 3/4s in year 11 this year - bio and HHD - and got okayish scores. Happy about biology (37 raw) but not about health since it scales down like 3 or 4 (36 raw).

I want to get into medicine and I need an ATAR of around 97+ or 98+.
My strongest subject is English - I didn't study for it at all this year and got an A for the 1/2 exam, and only one B+ throughout the entire year - everything else was As and A+s.

I was wondering if you guys could share some of your opinions - should I do five 3/4 subjects in year 12 next year instead of the 4 I was planning on? (Chemistry, English, bus man & methods)

I did literature as a subject, not for VCE, in year 10 and was very strong at it. Is it worth it or would it be a waste of time??

Any and all advice is appreciated!

Thanks guys :)
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Re: Should I do a 7th 3/4?
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2016, 05:54:28 am »
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If you want to get a high atar you should maximise your study scores in any way, whether that's taking fewer, as to do better in the four this year, or more, thereby erasing your worst study score. (imo)

If you're willing to put in the effort,  I don't see why doing 7th would be anything but advantageous

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Re: Should I do a 7th 3/4?
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2016, 08:50:43 am »
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Based on everything you said, I'd say pick up lit. If English is your strong point, I would imagine you'd do quite well. Also, as lit scales up, you might actually do better than English, and it could replace it as your mandatory English subject.
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Re: Should I do a 7th 3/4?
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2016, 09:24:17 am »
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Hi everyone,

So I did two 3/4s in year 11 this year - bio and HHD - and got okayish scores. Happy about biology (37 raw) but not about health since it scales down like 3 or 4 (36 raw).

I want to get into medicine and I need an ATAR of around 97+ or 98+.
My strongest subject is English - I didn't study for it at all this year and got an A for the 1/2 exam, and only one B+ throughout the entire year - everything else was As and A+s.

I was wondering if you guys could share some of your opinions - should I do five 3/4 subjects in year 12 next year instead of the 4 I was planning on? (Chemistry, English, bus man & methods)

I did literature as a subject, not for VCE, in year 10 and was very strong at it. Is it worth it or would it be a waste of time??

Any and all advice is appreciated!

Thanks guys :)

Your aim is to get 97-98 ATAR.

At that the moment you have (scaled) 38 and 33-22 study scores. Realistically, if you would like to achieve your goal of a 97-98 ATAR, those two scores would probably be in your 10%, if not, your Health will definitely be in there.

Therefore, you are gonna need 4 scores above 40 (maybe well above 40 since nothing except methods scales well) to achieve your goal. It would be more convenient to study for 4 subjects instead of 5.

I don't believe doing a 5th subject is the best idea.
1) Literature has a stronger cohort than English, which means its harder to score in Literature than English.
2) Added stress to a subject that isnt going to provide more than 10% on your ATAR

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Re: Should I do a 7th 3/4?
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2016, 09:50:44 am »
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If you think about it, the difference between getting 30 and 40 for a 5th/6th subject is only 1 aggregate or the equivalent of one study score in a top 4 subject. IMO instead of doing a whole another subject, you can use that time increase your study score for another subject by atleast 1, then your HHD score wouldn't have much of an impact. That being said, each subject has points of diminishing returns and if you are willing to put in the work to maximise each score, then a 5th subject would make sense. As your "poor" HHD score would not make a difference. Best of luck!

As for English, it is probably better than Literature because scaling does not take into account how good the cohort is at English but other subjects. People who are definitely stronger at English do Lit and it will be harder to score well IMO
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Re: Should I do a 7th 3/4?
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2016, 10:12:52 am »
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I did 8 subjects in total. My lowest study score was 41 for health, and I can't tell you how much it hurts/dissapointing it is after all the bloody hard work you put in it. But if you do more than 6, those bottom ones won't count and you need to prepare yourself for it. I didn't :( ( *cries* open wounds)
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Re: Should I do a 7th 3/4?
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2016, 04:31:05 pm »
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Doing a 7th subject is good if you are confident that you can get decent score in it and you would like a high atar like what you mentioned. Doing 6 subjects is a a option (probably a superior one since you aren't aiming for a top atar like 99.90+ but a decent one, so you can invest all your effort into four subjects) if you are good at your 4 subjects as your ideally your 2 year 11 subjects can go into your bottom 10%. I would recommend choosing another subject like Psychology, Further Maths or Spesh over Literature for few reasons:

-Even for a strong English student getting a 40+ in Lit is difficult and time-consuming especially as a 5th subject. There have been many people  that have scored high 40s in English but high 30s to low 40s in Literature. With Further Maths and Psychology has requires effort to do well they have a far better amount of work to study score ratio than Literature and are more structured in nature (so it's easier to know how to study for it). Spesh would be a good option if your school allows you to do 3/4 without 1/2, willing to do a lot of work on the holidays, above average maths student and capable of scoring 35+raw (it's not really worth the effort if you score below that)
-Since you mentioned that your strongest subject is English, you should invest all your writing/analytical/critical thinking brains in English instead of spreading it across two subjects. More time to polish your language analysis skills and study fewer texts in more depth. While some people say that Lit helps/complement English there are some areas/writing styles are are exclusive to both subjects and also you are not merely contemplating doing Lit because it helps English, but mainly for the purposes of getting a really good score that would be good enough for a 97-98 ATAR top subject. Analysing texts is time-consuming, and could be better spent on your subjects and maximising your English score. Most people that I've seen do well in both English and Lit, either largely concentrated on those two subjects in year 12 (something you can't exactly afford to do) or did all humanities subjects (so all their subjects required similar skills whereas English is your only humanities type subject).

Just some food for thought  :)

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Re: Should I do a 7th 3/4?
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2016, 04:48:45 pm »
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Is Spesh an option for you, for your level of ability?
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Re: Should I do a 7th 3/4?
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2016, 05:31:53 pm »
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don't do 5. maybe drop bus man for lit if you really want to do lit. to get 98+, you have to aim for 45+ for your top 4 subjects. adding an extra subject will just make it harder and not worth the time imo.
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Re: Should I do a 7th 3/4?
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2016, 10:22:52 pm »
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Alright, still very new here so am I allowed to post here too if I'm facing the same dilemma ?(different subject, but same goal-med)

thanks  :)

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Re: Should I do a 7th 3/4?
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2016, 10:24:24 pm »
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Alright, still very new here so am I allowed to post here too if I'm facing the same dilemma ?(different subject, but same goal-med)

thanks  :)

Sure thing  :). Tell us more about your circumstances and backstory so that we can tailor our advice accordingly.
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Re: Should I do a 7th 3/4?
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2016, 11:15:25 pm »
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Scores in signature. Advice please :)

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Re: Should I do a 7th 3/4?
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2016, 12:40:39 pm »
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Scores in signature. Advice please :)

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43 is a solid bottom 2 subject, but for 99 its a tad low. So you only need 2 more subjects in the high 40s, and English as well. If you can secure a low 40s in spesh, mid 40s in english and 1 other high 40s in 1 other subject that should be plenty for a 99. Thus, I'd recommend you only do 4 subjects and not 5, because a 45 in methods is good enough :)
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Re: Should I do a 7th 3/4?
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2016, 03:25:29 pm »
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Sure thing  :). Tell us more about your circumstances and backstory so that we can tailor our advice accordingly.

Thanks :)

So basically I did French (47 raw) and accounting (39 raw) which is obvs not the best

I'm already doing English, Methods, Chem and Spesh next year which I'm pretty certain about

Now I'm just concerned at whether to pick up HHD or not

At my school, getting high 40s in Methods, Chem and Spesh is pretty much unheard of and I'm 110% (wow nice maths) sure that I'm not going to be the one that breaks that record considering I'm average in my year level

So HHD scales down heaps and my goal is to hit a 48+ but obvs that's a goal which we know is always quite high at the start of the year

According to some friends, HHD is basically rote memorisation which I'm good at, so is it worth doing?

I have a feeling I'll do better in HHD then my other subjects but obvs it gets harder at the competitive time so tbh I had no idea

Will it even help my ATAR I dunno tbh

Thanks everyone

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Re: Should I do a 7th 3/4?
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2016, 05:37:23 pm »
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43 is a solid bottom 2 subject, but for 99 its a tad low. So you only need 2 more subjects in the high 40s, and English as well. If you can secure a low 40s in spesh, mid 40s in english and 1 other high 40s in 1 other subject that should be plenty for a 99. Thus, I'd recommend you only do 4 subjects and not 5, because a 45 in methods is good enough :)

Are you sure? I entered low 40s Spesh and English, with 40s in Accounting/Chem and I could scrape 99. Maybe I really need to get my SEAS accepted.
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